Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)

Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, usually heated.

Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or part of a long
bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never heated.

Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter and/or
mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up through the
broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot

> wrote in message
...
> Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)
>
> Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun,
> usually heated.
>
> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or
> part of a long
> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
> heated.
>
> Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter
> and/or
> mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up
> through the
> broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot
>
>


Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type
of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often. The Sub
definition is close.

Then what is a Grinder ??

Fred Jones wrote:
> Then what is a Grinder ??
>
A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold
sliced meats/cheese and is never heated.

"George" > wrote in message
...
> Fred Jones wrote:
>> Then what is a Grinder ??
>>
> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold
> sliced meats/cheese and is never heated.

Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated or
toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in Philly
the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" hoagies a
better rating, IMO. .

Edwin Pawlowski > wrote in message
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> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Fred Jones wrote:
>>> Then what is a Grinder ??
>>>
>> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is
>> made using cold sliced meats/cheese and is never heated.
>>
> Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day
> and never heated or toasted. Made the same way as
> a hoagie. Only difference is that in Philly the stores
> could get better rolls to put them on giving "most"
> hoagies a better rating, IMO. .

Is there a difference in whether it's on an Italian or French
roll?

The Ranger

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Fred Jones wrote:
>>> Then what is a Grinder ??
>>>
>> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold
>> sliced meats/cheese and is never heated.
>
> Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated or
> toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in
> Philly the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most"
> hoagies a better rating, IMO. .
There's supposed to be something in the local Philly water that gives bread
and rolls a certain quality that makes them perfect for hoagies and
cheesesteaks - hard crust, chewy inside, great flavor.

In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Fred Jones wrote:
> >> Then what is a Grinder ??
> >>
> > A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold
> > sliced meats/cheese and is never heated.
>
> Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated or
> toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in Philly
> the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" hoagies a
> better rating, IMO. .

Ed, you are right on! I once spent 6 months in southern Conn. (Groton)
and ate grinders almost daily. They were never heated, UNLESS, you got
the meatball grinder, but that's another subset. The most popular
regular grinder was the Italian Combo: Genoa salame, ham, mortadella,
and coppacolla with shredded lettuce, sliced tomato and onion, and
seasoned oil on a soft Italian roll. That was mighty fine pizza country
also.

D.M.
--
greatvalleyimages.com

George wrote:

> Fred Jones wrote:
>
>> Then what is a Grinder ??
>>
> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold
> sliced meats/cheese and is never heated.

That is not true in Pittsburgh - we have only hoagies.
And some are cold (blecch!) and some are baked.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:23:26 -0400, Kate Connally >
wrote:

>George wrote:
>
>> Fred Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Then what is a Grinder ??
>>>
>> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold
>> sliced meats/cheese and is never heated.
>
>That is not true in Pittsburgh - we have only hoagies.
>And some are cold (blecch!) and some are baked.

You eat the same thing for weeks but you turn your nose up at a cold
sandwich? You crack me up.

Lou

On Jun 21, 9:43 am, (Fred Jones) wrote:
> Then what is a Grinder ??

Usually, but not exclusively, built on a sliced French roll, slathered
with mayo, stacked high with thin slices of chunked ham and provolone
cheese. Sliced tomatoes and onions are placed between the cheese and
ham. Several splashes of olive oil finish off the "condiments." It's a
term found in the US Midwest and several New England states. If you're
not working to dislocate your jaw while biting into it, it's not a
grinder.

The Ranger

"Fred Jones" > wrote in message
...
> Then what is a Grinder ??
>
A toasted hoagie.
-g

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
>

>>Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or
>>part of a long
>>bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
>>heated.

>
>
> Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type
> of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often. The Sub
> definition is close.


I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a staple
in NJ where I'm from.

On Jun 21, 1:37�pm, RegForte > wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> .. .
>
> >>Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or
> >>part of a long
> >>bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
> >>heated.
>
> > Wow, what a load if misinformation. �Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type
> > of roll. �Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often.. �The Sub
> > definition is close.
>
> I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a staple
> in NJ where I'm from.

In Brooklyn it's a Hero, could be cold but just as popular are hot
heroes; meat-a balles, saw-seege-a, veal-a parm, eggplant
(mulonjhon)parm, could be w/peppers or not... always on 'talian
bread. In Brooklyn there are only Sicilians and the Jews who protect
them in court... all others are illegal aliens.

"Sheldon" > ha scritto nel messaggio news:3b91375f-eebd-

In Brooklyn there are only Sicilians and the Jews who protect
them in court... all others are illegal aliens.

How strange, then, that I know a very waspy family with a 4 million dollar
home over looking Manhattan from Brooklyn, and not far from them is a black
family the husband of which is a composer and conductor. You are such a
bigot.

On Jun 22, 4:27�am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > ha scritto nel messaggio news:3b91375f-eebd-
>
> �In Brooklyn there are only Sicilians and the Jews who protect
> them in court... all others are illegal aliens.
>
> How strange, then, that I know a very waspy family with a 4 million dollar
> home over looking Manhattan from Brooklyn, and not far from them is a black
> family the husband of which is a composer and conductor. �You are such a
> bigot.

You don't know Brooklyn or you'd not ever think that... you are such a
dumb ****.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:37:40 -0700, RegForte > wrote:

>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>
>>>Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or
>>>part of a long
>>>bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
>>>heated.
>
>>
>>
>> Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type
>> of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often. The Sub
>> definition is close.
>
>
>I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a staple
>in NJ where I'm from.

when you're talking about purely local terms, it's kind of silly to
say 'subs are never heated' or 'hoagies are on italian bread,' unless
you preface it with 'in hoagiestan....'

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:37:40 -0700, RegForte > wrote:
>
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>
>>>> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread
>>>> bun or part of a long
>>>> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
>>>> heated.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian
>>> bread type of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all
>>> that often. The Sub definition is close.
>>
>>
>> I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a
>> staple in NJ where I'm from.
>
> when you're talking about purely local terms, it's kind of silly to
> say 'subs are never heated' or 'hoagies are on italian bread,' unless
> you preface it with 'in hoagiestan....'

Especially as 'sub' is short for submarine, so-called because
of the shape of the bread. There are hot and cold subs, the
ingredients don't make it a sub, the sub bread does.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in
:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:37:40 -0700, RegForte > wrote:
>>
>>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread
>>>>> bun or part of a long
>>>>> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
>>>>> heated.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian
>>>> bread type of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all
>>>> that often. The Sub definition is close.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a
>>> staple in NJ where I'm from.
>>
>> when you're talking about purely local terms, it's kind of silly to
>> say 'subs are never heated' or 'hoagies are on italian bread,' unless
>> you preface it with 'in hoagiestan....'
>
> Especially as 'sub' is short for submarine, so-called because
> of the shape of the bread. There are hot and cold subs, the
> ingredients don't make it a sub, the sub bread does.
>
> nancy
>

I believe the hero sandwich was the forerunner of the other sub type
sandwich types, even though a hero doesn't have to be made with long
skinny torpedo shaped buns. I feel the hero is the elder or grandfather
of these styles and can be made from smallish round peasant loaves or
largish round buns...way larger than your standard hamburger bun. This is
a personal unreasearched gut feeling...so is possibly wrong. I believe
somebody with hero sandwich knowledge and french bagette access made food
history. Somewhat like being too lazy or rushed to melt the chocolate
beforehand when making chocolate cookies led to the much loved toll house
chocolate chip cookies.

--

The house of the burning beet-Alan

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)
>>
>>Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun,
>>usually heated.
>>
>>Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or
>>part of a long
>>bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
>>heated.
>>
>>Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter
>>and/or
>>mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up
>>through the
>>broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type
> of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often. The Sub
> definition is close.

Well, here in Pittsburgh the best hoagies are baked hoagies.
I won't eat the cold kind at all. My favorites are either
a cheese steak hoagie or an Italian hoagie. And nowadays
we have the Primanti-like hoagies with fries and slaw right
on the hoagie. With those I always get the cheese steak.
Yum.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

wrote:
> Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)
>
> Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, usually heated.


Sounds like something featured at subway? Real hoagies are made on a
long roll similar to a baguette (crispy crust/soft interior)


>
> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or part of a long
> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never heated.
>
> Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter and/or
> mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up through the
> broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot
>
>

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:03:43 -0400, George >
wrote:

wrote:
>> Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)
>>
>> Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, usually heated.
>
>
>Sounds like something featured at subway? Real hoagies are made on a
>long roll similar to a baguette (crispy crust/soft interior)
>

ooh, i missed the hotdog bun reference. sounds vile, call it what you
may.

your pal,
blake

> wrote in message
...
> Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)
>
> Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun,
> usually heated.
>
> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or
> part of a long
> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
> heated.
>
> Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter
> and/or
> mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up
> through the
> broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot

Bzzzzt! Wrong!

A classic hoagie is capicolla, hard salami, genoa salami, provolone,
lettuce , tomato, onion, on a long hard roll with oil, basil, and oregano.
Different meats and cheeses can be used, or even tuna salad. Some people
like mayo but that's not a real haogie, IMO.
Hot dog roll and butter? Where'd you get that? :-/

A grinder is a hoagie that's been toasted in an oven. Here, a sub is the
same thing as a hoagie, but we don't really use the term sub here in the
Philly area.

> wrote in message
...
> Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)
>
> Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun,
> usually heated.
>
> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or
> part of a long
> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never
> heated.
>
> Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter
> and/or
> mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up
> through the
> broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot

Your information source is flawed:



--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)


hero sandwich

This huge sandwich goes by many names, depending on where it's made. Among
its aliases are submarine, grinder, hoagie and poor boy (or po' boy ).
Generally, the hero sandwich consists of a small loaf of Italian or French
bread (or a large oblong roll), the bottom half of which is heaped with
layers of any of various thinly sliced meats, cheeses, tomatoes, pickles,
lettuce, peppers - anything for which the cook is in the mood.

© Copyright Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995 based on THE FOOD
LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition, by Sharon Tyler Herbst.




http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary


Main Entry:
2submarine
Function:
noun
Date:
1703
1: something that functions or operates underwater; specifically : a naval
vessel designed to operate underwater

2: a large sandwich on a long split roll with any of a variety of fillings
(as meatballs or cold cuts, cheese, lettuce, and tomato) -called also
grinder, hero, hoagie, Italian sandwich, po'boy, sub, torpedo

On Jun 21, 11:14*am, " > wrote:
> Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)

Oddly, not everyone in Michigan subscribes to these definitions. How
long
have you lived here?

> Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, usually heated.

Hoagie - Philly cheesesteak. Often handicapped by squishy bread, but
that's
the Midwest for you.

> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or part of a long
> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never heated.
>
> Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter and/or
> mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up through the
> broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot

Grinder does not seem to be in common use in Michigan. "Sub" is
commonly used interchangeably for sandwiches on a long bun,
with or without lettuce, heated or not. I've never seen butter, and
mayonnaise should not be served on any sub that has Italian
antecedents.
Oil, vinegar, and oregano, please.

The lunchmeat subs at Gabriel's on Michigan Avenue in Ypsilanti are
an old-time classic. Unpretentious. Cheap lunchmeat served with
pride. Delicious.

Cindy Hamilton