> wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2008-06-21, sf <> wrote:
> I'll prepare something nice and the boss will say " how hungry are
> you mom? " If she ever answered other than "A LITTLE:" you'll have
> to pick me up off the floor.
>
> Cooking for old folks can be a real PITA.
>
> Thank goodness we/she has company quite often so I can do some
> cooking.

>Bless you for your wonderful care.

>Thanks; for your kind words;

I am going to tell a story not 'cause I'm a good guy, I'm not, but some of
you may some day find yourself in need of this information.

A parent has passed on leaving one parent to live alone. Not wanting to
give up their independence they will fight moving out of their place and/or
moving in with you tooth and nail.

The Boss's dad passed away leaving her mom living alone. Sometime after the
funeral, life tried to proceed back to normal

This was our situation - the boss was successor trustee and spent 1 week out
of 4 away taking care of her mothers needs, food, bills, etc. Of course
worrying every minute she was not there, fearful mom would fall, have a
heart attack, stroke, whatever.

It is important to understand when people get older generally they are very
fearful of making the WRONG decision and therefore no decision is usually
the best answer.

We stopped pressing her to move into Grandma's room - a back bedroom with
it's own bath off the kitchen. This was always Grandma's room.

One October, we invited her up for her birthday in late October. After her
birthday we said "why don't you stay till thanksgiving, it's just around the
corner. We said anytime you want we'll run you back down to the house. As
a matter of fact we need to go down and pick up the mail. can we get
anything for you?

Thanksgiving came and we said again' we'll take you back down whenever you
want but Christmas is just around the corner. After Christmas we had New
years and then she said " do you mind if I Buy a smaller bed and a desk for
the room - We had her!

She never made a formal decision to stay - but the result was the same. Now
and then we go down to her place to bring stuff up and or begin preparing
the house for sale - we asked once if she would like to come along and she
declined saying there were too many memories there.

The rest is history.



--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:53:33 -0700, "Dimitri" >
wrote:

>She never made a formal decision to stay - but the result was the same. Now
>and then we go down to her place to bring stuff up and or begin preparing
>the house for sale - we asked once if she would like to come along and she
>declined saying there were too many memories there.
>
>The rest is history.

You're very sweet, Dimitri.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:53:33 -0700, "Dimitri" >
> wrote:
>
>> She never made a formal decision to stay - but the result was the
>> same. Now and then we go down to her place to bring stuff up and or
>> begin preparing the house for sale - we asked once if she would like
>> to come along and she declined saying there were too many memories
>> there.
>>
>> The rest is history.
>
> You're very sweet, Dimitri.

As Felice suggested, we should all have children like Dimitri.

Ophelia wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:53:33 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> She never made a formal decision to stay - but the result was the
>>> same. Now and then we go down to her place to bring stuff up and or
>>> begin preparing the house for sale - we asked once if she would like
>>> to come along and she declined saying there were too many memories
>>> there.
>>>
>>> The rest is history.
>>
>> You're very sweet, Dimitri.
>
> As Felice suggested, we should all have children like Dimitri.

Dimitri *rocks*.

nancy

Dimitri wrote:
>
> I am going to tell a story not 'cause I'm a good guy, I'm not, but
> some of you may some day find yourself in need of this information.
>
> A parent has passed on leaving one parent to live alone. Not wanting
> to give up their independence they will fight moving out of their
> place and/or moving in with you tooth and nail.
>
> The Boss's dad passed away leaving her mom living alone. Sometime
> after the funeral, life tried to proceed back to normal
>
> This was our situation - the boss was successor trustee and spent 1
> week out of 4 away taking care of her mothers needs, food, bills,
> etc. Of course worrying every minute she was not there, fearful mom
> would fall, have a heart attack, stroke, whatever.
>
> It is important to understand when people get older generally they
> are very fearful of making the WRONG decision and therefore no
> decision is usually the best answer.
>
(snip history which seems to have worked out for the best, bless you!)

I'm dealing with this right now. Mom doesn't want to move but her house is
700 miles away, so a quick trip to pick up this or that isn't feasible. She
wants me to move in with her and I wouldn't mind it, but doing so creates a
whole new set of issues. So things are up in the air at this point but some
decisions have to be made rather quickly.

It's a difficult situation to deal with. I do know she can't (won't) take
care of herself anymore. Even though I'd left a lot of quick-fix thaw &
heat meals in her freezer she didn't bother with them during the month I was
back home. She was apparently living on toast, cereal and eggs. I know of
one occasion when she ventured out to buy some fruit. Her neighbor had
offered to pick up things for her whenever she ran to the store but Mom is
the type, "Oh, I don't want to impose". It can be rather frustrating.

I also think she's depressed but when I mention it she says she's not going
to take another pill. Which is another issue... even though I'm here and I
set them out every morning I have to constantly remind her to take them. I
don't want to feel like I'm nagging but that's exactly what I'm doing.

I'm very glad you were able to find a workable solution for the "Boss'"
mother.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> I am going to tell a story not 'cause I'm a good guy, I'm not, but
>> some of you may some day find yourself in need of this information.
>>
>> A parent has passed on leaving one parent to live alone. Not wanting
>> to give up their independence they will fight moving out of their
>> place and/or moving in with you tooth and nail.
>>
>> The Boss's dad passed away leaving her mom living alone. Sometime
>> after the funeral, life tried to proceed back to normal
>>
>> This was our situation - the boss was successor trustee and spent 1
>> week out of 4 away taking care of her mothers needs, food, bills,
>> etc. Of course worrying every minute she was not there, fearful mom
>> would fall, have a heart attack, stroke, whatever.
>>
>> It is important to understand when people get older generally they
>> are very fearful of making the WRONG decision and therefore no
>> decision is usually the best answer.
>>
> (snip history which seems to have worked out for the best, bless you!)
>
> I'm dealing with this right now. Mom doesn't want to move but her house
> is 700 miles away, so a quick trip to pick up this or that isn't
> feasible. She wants me to move in with her and I wouldn't mind it, but
> doing so creates a whole new set of issues. So things are up in the air
> at this point but some decisions have to be made rather quickly.
>
> It's a difficult situation to deal with. I do know she can't (won't)
> take care of herself anymore. Even though I'd left a lot of quick-fix
> thaw & heat meals in her freezer she didn't bother with them during the
> month I was back home. She was apparently living on toast, cereal and
> eggs. I know of one occasion when she ventured out to buy some fruit.
> Her neighbor had offered to pick up things for her whenever she ran to
> the store but Mom is the type, "Oh, I don't want to impose". It can be
> rather frustrating.
>
> I also think she's depressed but when I mention it she says she's not
> going to take another pill. Which is another issue... even though I'm
> here and I set them out every morning I have to constantly remind her to
> take them. I don't want to feel like I'm nagging but that's exactly
> what I'm doing.
>
> I'm very glad you were able to find a workable solution for the "Boss'"
> mother.
>
> Jill
I'm afraid I know more elder folk like yours Jill than like Dimitri's. A
friends mother is 87 yo now (friend is 68 yo so figure when the mom had
her kids)and has a new boyfriend who is 56 yo. Boyfriend readily admits
he's been married five times and at least two of those marriages were
for money. Our friend went down to the friendly district judges office
with her lawyer and got a restraining order on the boyfriend and her
mother's accounts. Mother has to ask for money now and it burns her up
but she was going to give $100K to the boyfriend to "start" a business
so they could marry. I think daughter made the right move but others
think she is interfering in her mother's business. Time will tell who
was right.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Dimitri wrote:

<snip>

(snip history which seems to have worked out for the best, bless you!)
>
> I'm dealing with this right now. Mom doesn't want to move but her house
> is 700 miles away, so a quick trip to pick up this or that isn't feasible.
> She wants me to move in with her and I wouldn't mind it, but doing so
> creates a whole new set of issues. So things are up in the air at this
> point but some decisions have to be made rather quickly.

Have you checked out the social services in the area? Most assisted living
places have specialists. Use then ever in placing mom in that situation is
out of the question. These people can lead you to free resources that are
very valuable. No need to carry the burden and figure it out for yourself.




> It's a difficult situation to deal with. I do know she can't (won't) take
> care of herself anymore. Even though I'd left a lot of quick-fix thaw &
> heat meals in her freezer she didn't bother with them during the month I
> was back home. She was apparently living on toast, cereal and eggs. I
> know of one occasion when she ventured out to buy some fruit. Her
> neighbor had offered to pick up things for her whenever she ran to the
> store but Mom is the type, "Oh, I don't want to impose". It can be rather
> frustrating.

I don't want to impose is a generational attitude that you'll have to deal
with for the rest of her life. is there a Meals on Wheels in your area? At
least she'll get 1 square per day. Frustrating is a kind term. It will
drive you INSANE. Our MOM will sit and het sick (nauseated) to the point
of upchucking before telling us she's nauseated. If she tells us we can
give her an anti-nauseante. So the net result is we habe to keep one eye on
her behavior. She doesn't want to be a bother - BULL SHIT! its more of a
bother to watch her up-chuck for 2 days. than to give her a pill.


> I also think she's depressed but when I mention it she says she's not
> going to take another pill. Which is another issue... even though I'm
> here and I set them out every morning I have to constantly remind her to
> take them. I don't want to feel like I'm nagging but that's exactly what
> I'm doing.


If you can don't tell her what all the pills are for - get some of the
little plastic cups and tell her these are what the doctor ordered.
Pre-distribute the pills into the proper frequency. Morning noon, night
etc. You're not nagging -sit there, had her the cup and tell her to take the
pills as you would a child. Jill, remember she's becmoming the child and
you're becoming the adult. A difficult roll reversal.

Let me know if you want to chat - if you do email me your Phone # & I'll
call.

Remember these are only my observations in my circumstance. I am not a
trained professional.

All the best.


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

The Cook wrote:

> I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds like
> my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
> microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on chocolate
> and beer.

Well, at least she had two of the basic food groups covered.


--
Blinky
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Need a new feed?
http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
...
> Let me know if you want to chat - if you do email me your Phone # & I'll
> call.
>
> Remember these are only my observations in my circumstance. I am not a
> trained professional.
>
> All the best.
>
>
> --
> Old Scoundrel
>
> (AKA Dimitri)
>

Your offer of someone to talk to is the best and most generous offer. Nobody
wants to see their parents decline, or admit the problems they're having. It
can be easier to ignore and get on with the task at hand than find a
solution. Sometimes there is no solution. The only help is support and a
listening ear.
I think your one of life's fighters and winners!


Sarah

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:27:02 -0700, "Dimitri" >
wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> Dimitri wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>(snip history which seems to have worked out for the best, bless you!)
>>
>> I'm dealing with this right now. Mom doesn't want to move but her house
>> is 700 miles away, so a quick trip to pick up this or that isn't feasible.
>> She wants me to move in with her and I wouldn't mind it, but doing so
>> creates a whole new set of issues. So things are up in the air at this
>> point but some decisions have to be made rather quickly.
>
>Have you checked out the social services in the area? Most assisted living
>places have specialists. Use then ever in placing mom in that situation is
>out of the question. These people can lead you to free resources that are
>very valuable. No need to carry the burden and figure it out for yourself.
>
>
>
>
>> It's a difficult situation to deal with. I do know she can't (won't) take
>> care of herself anymore. Even though I'd left a lot of quick-fix thaw &
>> heat meals in her freezer she didn't bother with them during the month I
>> was back home. She was apparently living on toast, cereal and eggs. I
>> know of one occasion when she ventured out to buy some fruit. Her
>> neighbor had offered to pick up things for her whenever she ran to the
>> store but Mom is the type, "Oh, I don't want to impose". It can be rather
>> frustrating.
>
>I don't want to impose is a generational attitude that you'll have to deal
>with for the rest of her life. is there a Meals on Wheels in your area? At
>least she'll get 1 square per day. Frustrating is a kind term. It will
>drive you INSANE. Our MOM will sit and het sick (nauseated) to the point
>of upchucking before telling us she's nauseated. If she tells us we can
>give her an anti-nauseante. So the net result is we habe to keep one eye on
>her behavior. She doesn't want to be a bother - BULL SHIT! its more of a
>bother to watch her up-chuck for 2 days. than to give her a pill.
>
>
>> I also think she's depressed but when I mention it she says she's not
>> going to take another pill. Which is another issue... even though I'm
>> here and I set them out every morning I have to constantly remind her to
>> take them. I don't want to feel like I'm nagging but that's exactly what
>> I'm doing.
>
>
>If you can don't tell her what all the pills are for - get some of the
>little plastic cups and tell her these are what the doctor ordered.
>Pre-distribute the pills into the proper frequency. Morning noon, night
>etc. You're not nagging -sit there, had her the cup and tell her to take the
>pills as you would a child. Jill, remember she's becmoming the child and
>you're becoming the adult. A difficult roll reversal.
>
>Let me know if you want to chat - if you do email me your Phone # & I'll
>call.
>
>Remember these are only my observations in my circumstance. I am not a
>trained professional.
>
>All the best.


I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds like
my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on chocolate
and beer.

As for taking her meds, who knows what or how many she took. My
husband went down (300 miles) about once a month to take her to any
appointments and get groceries. He tried to keep track of how many
pills were in the bottles.

Jill, you are going to have to make the decisions since she does not
seem to want to or to be able to. After my mother broke her hip, I
had to move her into a retirement home that was apartments with meals
provided and people who kept an eye on the residents. That worked
until she needed more care and the residence added assisted living.
They also had connections with the nursing home next door. We moved
her through the whole shebang.

When we drove from Chapel Hill, NC to Hampton, VA she cried the whole
way. She finally got to at least tolerated the place. It was about
10 minutes from my house.

There is no answer that will make both of you happy. You will just
have to figure out what each of you can tolerate and go with it. Maybe
make some changes as time passes.

"Sarah" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Let me know if you want to chat - if you do email me your Phone # & I'll
>> call.
>>
>> Remember these are only my observations in my circumstance. I am not a
>> trained professional.
>>
>> All the best.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Old Scoundrel
>>
>> (AKA Dimitri)
>>
>
> Your offer of someone to talk to is the best and most generous offer.
> Nobody wants to see their parents decline, or admit the problems they're
> having. It can be easier to ignore and get on with the task at hand than
> find a solution. Sometimes there is no solution. The only help is support
> and a listening ear.
> I think your one of life's fighters and winners!
>
>
> Sarah


Once again thank you and others for their kind words.

For me the reality is no one I know gets up in the morning and says " I
think I'll make a decision that will screw (F***) up the rest of my life".
Usually we get up and make the best decision we know how to make based on
the day, the information, and the world around us.

Jill I have known here for a lot of years, probably more years than either
of us care to admit. An offer to be an ear or sounding board is the least I
can do.

You are correct sometimes there is no solution. IMHO solutions and control
are illusions, and simply help us cope with the unpleasant realities of
life.

Gee I must have had a few drinks (not) it's genetic defect with Greeks -
Give'em a drink and they all turn into Socratics, Plato & Aristotle all
rolled into one.

Then Boss' SIL was caring as best she could for rapidly slipping dad. Every
time anyone saw her they asked about her dad. One time I looked her in the
eye and said, "I'm not interested in your dad - How are you doing and
coping?" She burst into tears and cried on my shoulder for quite a while.
We need to give kudos and pay attention to the care givers - they have the
roughest job!

On Jun 22, 1:39 pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> I'm glad you are in a position to help your mother out like you do. I
> expect to be there one day taking care of a parent(s) and then eventually
> I'll be taken care of. It's wierd sometimes. I suppose, not to be corny
> but it is, that is our life cycle.

That made me smile thinking about the life cycles. My middle daughter
(I have four) has always joked that I better be nice to her because
she is the one taking care of me in my old age -- and she can pick
where I will spend my final years! None of the other girls have even
joked or committed to taking care of me, though I suppose it's more of
not wanting to face the inevitable end of my days.

Fortunately, longevity is on my side so there isn't any rush deciding
what to do with me. My maternal grandmother is 90 and still going
strong. Really good genes on that side of my family. Besides, I have
Bob and we take pretty good care of each other.

--Lin

Dimitri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Dimitri wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> (snip history which seems to have worked out for the best, bless you!)
>>
>> I'm dealing with this right now. Mom doesn't want to move but her
>> house is 700 miles away, so a quick trip to pick up this or that
>> isn't feasible.
>
> Have you checked out the social services in the area? Most assisted
> living places have specialists. Use then ever in placing mom in that
> situation is out of the question. These people can lead you to free
> resources that are very valuable. No need to carry the burden and
> figure it out for yourself.
I'm not sure about social services in the area; I can contact the senior
center in town and do some Googling

There's only one assisted living facility (Summit Place) in the Beaufort
area. I checked it out before Dad died. I didn't save the information
because Dad's dementia was too far advanced; he would have required
full-time nursing care in a nursing home. I do remember (and this is
outrageous!) the assisted living facility doesn't accept Medicare! And
Mom's secondary insurance carrier won't pick up anything towards assisted
living or nursing home care until Medicare has covered the first 30 days.
Along with that, the cost was something like $2000/month for a shared (with
a complete stranger!) "apartment" - 2 small bedrooms, a small living room
and very basic a kitchenette. Ridiculous.

>> It's a difficult situation to deal with. I do know she can't
>> (won't) take care of herself anymore. Even though I'd left a lot of
>> quick-fix thaw & heat meals in her freezer she didn't bother with
>> them during the month I was back home. She was apparently living on
>> toast, cereal and eggs. I know of one occasion when she ventured
>> out to buy some fruit. Her neighbor had offered to pick up things
>> for her whenever she ran to the store but Mom is the type, "Oh, I
>> don't want to impose". It can be rather frustrating.
>
> I don't want to impose is a generational attitude that you'll have to
> deal with for the rest of her life. is there a Meals on Wheels in
> your area? At least she'll get 1 square per day.
>
Yes, there's a Meals on Wheels in the area. When/if it gets to the point
where I have to go back to TN I'll be making those arrangements.

>> I also think she's depressed but when I mention it she says she's not
>> going to take another pill.
>
> If you can don't tell her what all the pills are for - get some of the
> little plastic cups and tell her these are what the doctor ordered.
> Pre-distribute the pills into the proper frequency. Morning noon,
> night etc. You're not nagging -sit there, had her the cup and tell
> her to take the pills as you would a child. Jill, remember she's
> becmoming the child and you're becoming the adult. A difficult roll
> reversal.
I don't have the little cups but I do hand her the appropriate dosages and a
cup of water three times a day. The problem with adding an anti-depressant
pill is I they aren't an over-the-counter med. I'd have to take her to the
doctor (a fight in itself) and she'd vehemently deny being depressed. He
may prescribe something despite her protests but I think he'd have to tell
her what it's for??

> Let me know if you want to chat - if you do email me your Phone # &
> I'll call.
>
Thank you so much for that kind offer! There may well come a time in the
very near future when I take you up on it.

Jill

"jmcquown" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> Mom's secondary insurance carrier won't pick up anything towards assisted
> living or nursing home care until Medicare has covered the first 30 days.
> Along with that, the cost was something like $2000/month for a shared
> (with a complete stranger!) "apartment" - 2 small bedrooms, a small living
> room and very basic a kitchenette. Ridiculous.

I think you'll find that it's fairly reasonable compared to other areas. It
all depends on how much watching they do, of course. If they don't see her,
they'll for sure check up. I think the first month is on you if they don't
accept Medicare and then Medicare wìll reimburse you for the share it covers
which probably isn't all of it.
> Yes, there's a Meals on Wheels in the area. When/if it gets to the point
> where I have to go back to TN I'll be making those arrangements.
>
>>> I also think she's depressed but when I mention it she says she's not
>>> going to take another pill.
>>
The problem with adding an anti-depressant pill is I they aren't an
over-the-counter med. I'd have to take her to the doctor (a fight in
itself) and she'd vehemently deny being depressed. He may prescribe
something despite her protests but I think he'd have to tell her what it's
for??

Not in so many words, and hardly anyone says, "I'm depressed!" and gets
pills. The doc knows what to ask to find out. Gerontologists have a whole
different language. He would probably say something like, "This will help
you get things done" or something. They know how cagey to be.


BTDT and it costs us $4000 a month.

On Jun 21, 4:53*pm, "Dimitri" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On 2008-06-21, sf <> wrote:
> > I'll prepare something nice and the boss will say " how hungry are
> > you mom? " *If *she ever answered other than "A LITTLE:" you'll have
> > to pick me up off the floor.
>
> > Cooking for old folks can be a real PITA.
>
> > Thank goodness we/she has company quite often so I can do some
> > cooking.
> >Bless you for your wonderful care.
>
> * * >Thanks; for your kind words;
>
> I am going to tell a story not 'cause I'm a good guy, I'm not, but some of
> you may some day find yourself in need of this information.
>
> A parent has passed on leaving one parent to live alone. *Not wanting to
> give up their independence they will fight moving out of their place and/or
> moving in with you tooth and nail.
>
> The Boss's dad passed away leaving her mom living alone. *Sometime after the
> funeral, life tried to proceed back to normal
>
> This was our situation - the boss was successor trustee and spent 1 week out
> of 4 away taking care of her mothers needs, food, bills, etc. Of course
> worrying every minute she was not there, fearful mom would fall, have a
> heart attack, stroke, whatever.
>
> It is important to understand when people get older generally they are very
> fearful of making the WRONG decision and therefore no decision is usually
> the best answer.
>
> We stopped pressing her to move into Grandma's room - a back bedroom with
> it's own bath off the kitchen. This was always Grandma's room.
>
> One October, we invited her up for her birthday in late October. *After her
> birthday we said "why don't you stay till thanksgiving, it's just around the
> corner. *We said anytime you want we'll run you back down to the house. *As
> a matter of fact we need to go down and pick up the mail. *can we get
> anything for you?
>
> Thanksgiving came and we said again' we'll take you back down whenever you
> want but Christmas is just around the corner. *After Christmas we had New
> years and then she said " do you mind if I Buy a smaller bed and a desk for
> the room - We had her!
>
> She never made a formal decision to stay - but the result was the same. *Now
> and then we go down to her place to bring stuff up and or *begin preparing
> the house for sale - we asked once if she would like to come along and she
> declined saying there were too many memories there.
>
> The rest is history.
>
> --
> Old Scoundrel
>
> (AKA Dimitri)

A person doesn't have to be old to hang onto stuff. My secretary (in
her 40s) and her husband have 3 kids. They currently own 3 properties
in town, and license a total of 12 vehicles - all because the husband
doesn't want to let go of anything that was ever his parents'. I'm
glad I don't have to deal with something like that!

N.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:37:11 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>The Cook wrote:
>
>> I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds like
>> my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
>> microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on chocolate
>> and beer.
>
>Well, at least she had two of the basic food groups covered.

sounds o.k. to me except for the chocolate part.

your pal,
blake

I'M ONE O THE OLDER? GROUP,i'VE BEEN THERE', DONE THAT..NOW LIVING IN MY
SON'S HOME ( i HAVE MY OWN SPACE) BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS NOT WHAT I
WANTED,,,WE FRIENDS ARE NOT OUR OWN ANYMORE, WE DO AS WE ARE TOLD
TRYING TO BE 'GOOD''!!!!! 'IT 'AIN'T ' EASY BEING ME !!! AH THE GOOD OLD
DAYS !!!!!


Dance as though No one is Watching !
Live The Moment !

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:52:08 +0200, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>The problem with adding an anti-depressant pill is I they aren't an
>over-the-counter med. I'd have to take her to the doctor (a fight in
>itself) and she'd vehemently deny being depressed. He may prescribe
>something despite her protests but I think he'd have to tell her what it's
>for??
>
>Not in so many words, and hardly anyone says, "I'm depressed!" and gets
>pills. The doc knows what to ask to find out. Gerontologists have a whole
>different language. He would probably say something like, "This will help
>you get things done" or something. They know how cagey to be.

Someone whose daughter is on them for life told me something
disturbing about anti-depressant pills and the possibility of
suicide..

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/medi...depression.htm
There is a risk that antidepressant treatment will cause an increase,
rather than a decrease, in depression. In fact, all depression
medications are required by the FDA to carry a warning about the
increased risk of suicide, hostility, and agitation. The FDA advises
that all individuals on antidepressants be closely watched for
increases in suicidal thoughts and behaviors.


--
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Mae West

I'M ONE OF THOSE !!! YOU KNOW THE 'OLDER PEOPLE"!!! i'VE READ ALL YOUR
REPLYS AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH US...BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY..LEAVE US ALONE
!! WHATEVER HAPPENS COULD'NT BE AS BAD AS WHAT I'M GOING THRU' NOW !!!!


Dance as though No one is Watching !
Live The Moment !

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:51:52 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Dimitri wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> (snip history which seems to have worked out for the best, bless you!)
>>>
>>> I'm dealing with this right now. Mom doesn't want to move but her
>>> house is 700 miles away, so a quick trip to pick up this or that
>>> isn't feasible.
>>
>> Have you checked out the social services in the area? Most assisted
>> living places have specialists. Use then ever in placing mom in that
>> situation is out of the question. These people can lead you to free
>> resources that are very valuable. No need to carry the burden and
>> figure it out for yourself.
>I'm not sure about social services in the area; I can contact the senior
>center in town and do some Googling
>
>There's only one assisted living facility (Summit Place) in the Beaufort
>area. I checked it out before Dad died. I didn't save the information
>because Dad's dementia was too far advanced; he would have required
>full-time nursing care in a nursing home. I do remember (and this is
>outrageous!) the assisted living facility doesn't accept Medicare! And
>Mom's secondary insurance carrier won't pick up anything towards assisted
>living or nursing home care until Medicare has covered the first 30 days.
>Along with that, the cost was something like $2000/month for a shared (with
>a complete stranger!) "apartment" - 2 small bedrooms, a small living room
>and very basic a kitchenette. Ridiculous.
>
>>> It's a difficult situation to deal with. I do know she can't
>>> (won't) take care of herself anymore. Even though I'd left a lot of
>>> quick-fix thaw & heat meals in her freezer she didn't bother with
>>> them during the month I was back home. She was apparently living on
>>> toast, cereal and eggs. I know of one occasion when she ventured
>>> out to buy some fruit. Her neighbor had offered to pick up things
>>> for her whenever she ran to the store but Mom is the type, "Oh, I
>>> don't want to impose". It can be rather frustrating.
>>
>> I don't want to impose is a generational attitude that you'll have to
>> deal with for the rest of her life. is there a Meals on Wheels in
>> your area? At least she'll get 1 square per day.
>>
>Yes, there's a Meals on Wheels in the area. When/if it gets to the point
>where I have to go back to TN I'll be making those arrangements.
>
>>> I also think she's depressed but when I mention it she says she's not
>>> going to take another pill.
>>
>> If you can don't tell her what all the pills are for - get some of the
>> little plastic cups and tell her these are what the doctor ordered.
>> Pre-distribute the pills into the proper frequency. Morning noon,
>> night etc. You're not nagging -sit there, had her the cup and tell
>> her to take the pills as you would a child. Jill, remember she's
>> becmoming the child and you're becoming the adult. A difficult roll
>> reversal.
>I don't have the little cups but I do hand her the appropriate dosages and a
>cup of water three times a day. The problem with adding an anti-depressant
>pill is I they aren't an over-the-counter med. I'd have to take her to the
>doctor (a fight in itself) and she'd vehemently deny being depressed. He
>may prescribe something despite her protests but I think he'd have to tell
>her what it's for??
>
>> Let me know if you want to chat - if you do email me your Phone # &
>> I'll call.
>>
>Thank you so much for that kind offer! There may well come a time in the
>very near future when I take you up on it.
>
>Jill

Medicare does not cover custodial care. You must need skilled nursing
care or physical therapy before Medicare will pay anything. If she
does not need the level of care provided by assisted living look for a
retirement home or apartment.

The SC coast is probably going to be expensive. Check the area where
you live. It may be cheaper and much easier on you. If you can go
by and see her every few days you will be much more comfortable about
the whole thing.

"Carmen" > wrote in message
...
> I'M ONE OF THOSE !!! YOU KNOW THE 'OLDER PEOPLE"!!! i'VE READ ALL YOUR
> REPLYS AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH US...BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY..LEAVE US ALONE
> !! WHATEVER HAPPENS COULD'NT BE AS BAD AS WHAT I'M GOING THRU' NOW !!!!
>
>
> Dance as though No one is Watching !
> Live The Moment !


How about when you fall, break a hip and die if dehydration. You're dead,
what do you care - think about the guilt your kids will live with for the
next XX years.

You're a selfish person. Shame on you!


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

"Carmen" > wrote in message
...
> I'M ONE O THE OLDER? GROUP,i'VE BEEN THERE', DONE THAT..NOW LIVING IN MY
> SON'S HOME ( i HAVE MY OWN SPACE) BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS NOT WHAT I
> WANTED,,,WE FRIENDS ARE NOT OUR OWN ANYMORE, WE DO AS WE ARE TOLD
> TRYING TO BE 'GOOD''!!!!! 'IT 'AIN'T ' EASY BEING ME !!! AH THE GOOD OLD
> DAYS !!!!!
>
>
> Dance as though No one is Watching !
> Live The Moment !


There are no more Good Old Days - they've gone forever. Do your best today!


--
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(AKA Dimitri)

On Mon 23 Jun 2008 11:16:43a, Carmen told us...

> I'M ONE O THE OLDER? GROUP,i'VE BEEN THERE', DONE THAT..NOW LIVING IN MY
> SON'S HOME ( i HAVE MY OWN SPACE) BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS NOT WHAT I
> WANTED,,,WE FRIENDS ARE NOT OUR OWN ANYMORE, WE DO AS WE ARE TOLD
> TRYING TO BE 'GOOD''!!!!! 'IT 'AIN'T ' EASY BEING ME !!! AH THE GOOD OLD
> DAYS !!!!!

Obviously, everyone's situation is different. My mother lived with my
partner and me for the last 5 years of her life. She did anything and
everything she wanted to. Her friends were always welcome in our home and
often came to visit. She was still able to drive and often visited those
same friends. If she wanted to cook, she took over the kitchen. My
partner and I were happy to see her do those things. I was particularly
grateful to be able share those last years with her, and I truly believe
she was very happy.

I never *told* my mother that she had to do anything. I might sometimes
ask her if she wanted to do something. If she didn't want to, so be it.
She was her own person, and remained so until the day she died.

The "good old days" are in everyone's past, even mine. They are
irretrievable, but memorable, and probably should remain so.

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On Mon 23 Jun 2008 11:28:05a, sf told us...

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:52:08 +0200, "Giusi" >
> wrote:
>
>>The problem with adding an anti-depressant pill is I they aren't an
>>over-the-counter med. I'd have to take her to the doctor (a fight in
>>itself) and she'd vehemently deny being depressed. He may prescribe
>>something despite her protests but I think he'd have to tell her what
>>it's for??
>>
>>Not in so many words, and hardly anyone says, "I'm depressed!" and gets
>>pills. The doc knows what to ask to find out. Gerontologists have a
>>whole different language. He would probably say something like, "This
>>will help you get things done" or something. They know how cagey to be.
>
> Someone whose daughter is on them for life told me something
> disturbing about anti-depressant pills and the possibility of
> suicide..
>
> http://www.helpguide.org/mental/medi...depression.htm
> There is a risk that antidepressant treatment will cause an increase,
> rather than a decrease, in depression. In fact, all depression
> medications are required by the FDA to carry a warning about the
> increased risk of suicide, hostility, and agitation. The FDA advises
> that all individuals on antidepressants be closely watched for
> increases in suicidal thoughts and behaviors.
>
>

There certainly is that possibility, and the reason why a good physician
will make judicious choices of medications and monitor responses closely.
If one is overseeing an elderly family member, it's important that the
doctor make them aware of what behavioral changes to watch for. Some are
subtle, but some are not so subtle.

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The Cook wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:28:58 -0400, (Carmen)
> wrote:
>
>> I'M ONE OF THOSE !!! YOU KNOW THE 'OLDER PEOPLE"!!! i'VE READ ALL
>> YOUR REPLYS AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH US...BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY..LEAVE
>> US ALONE !! WHATEVER HAPPENS COULD'NT BE AS BAD AS WHAT I'M GOING
>> THRU' NOW !!!!

> Afterwards MIL lived by herself, never ate properly and I doubt that
> she took her medicine properly. She had a stroke. It was 5 or 6 days
> before my SIL called and my husband drove the 300 miles down to find
> her dead on the floor. I pray that she died immediately.

It's so difficult to know what to do. After settling my inlaws into
an adult community, they were safe for a while. As my fil deteriorated,
they had to have caretakers come in. They were lifesavers, we didn't
have to worry about the inlaws so much.

Carmen, I don't know the situation with your son, but think that he's
probably trying to do the right thing.

nancy

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
6.120...
> On Mon 23 Jun 2008 11:16:43a, Carmen told us...
>
>> I'M ONE O THE OLDER? GROUP,i'VE BEEN THERE', DONE THAT..NOW LIVING IN MY
>> SON'S HOME ( i HAVE MY OWN SPACE) BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS NOT WHAT I
>> WANTED,,,WE FRIENDS ARE NOT OUR OWN ANYMORE, WE DO AS WE ARE TOLD
>> TRYING TO BE 'GOOD''!!!!! 'IT 'AIN'T ' EASY BEING ME !!! AH THE GOOD OLD
>> DAYS !!!!!
>
> Obviously, everyone's situation is different. My mother lived with my
> partner and me for the last 5 years of her life. She did anything and
> everything she wanted to. Her friends were always welcome in our home and
> often came to visit. She was still able to drive and often visited those
> same friends. If she wanted to cook, she took over the kitchen. My
> partner and I were happy to see her do those things. I was particularly
> grateful to be able share those last years with her, and I truly believe
> she was very happy.
>
> I never *told* my mother that she had to do anything. I might sometimes
> ask her if she wanted to do something. If she didn't want to, so be it.
> She was her own person, and remained so until the day she died.

And much of the credit should go to you, because you let her <be> her own
person!

Felice

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:28:58 -0400, (Carmen)
wrote:

>I'M ONE OF THOSE !!! YOU KNOW THE 'OLDER PEOPLE"!!! i'VE READ ALL YOUR
>REPLYS AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH US...BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY..LEAVE US ALONE
>!! WHATEVER HAPPENS COULD'NT BE AS BAD AS WHAT I'M GOING THRU' NOW !!!!
>
>
> Dance as though No one is Watching !
> Live The Moment !
>

My husband and his family let his parents do what they wanted except
that FIL had to go into a nursing home after surgery since MIL(90+)
could not take care of him. He died just before he would either have
to leave the nursing home or pay the bill himself.

Afterwards MIL lived by herself, never ate properly and I doubt that
she took her medicine properly. She had a stroke. It was 5 or 6 days
before my SIL called and my husband drove the 300 miles down to find
her dead on the floor. I pray that she died immediately.

blake murphy wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:37:11 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> > wrote:
>
>>The Cook wrote:
>>
>>> I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds like
>>> my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
>>> microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on chocolate
>>> and beer.
>>
>>Well, at least she had two of the basic food groups covered.
>
> sounds o.k. to me except for the chocolate part.

As I've gotten older, my emphasis has shifted in the other direction.


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On Mon 23 Jun 2008 12:41:20p, Felice told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 6.120...
>> On Mon 23 Jun 2008 11:16:43a, Carmen told us...
>>
>>> I'M ONE O THE OLDER? GROUP,i'VE BEEN THERE', DONE THAT..NOW LIVING IN
MY
>>> SON'S HOME ( i HAVE MY OWN SPACE) BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS NOT WHAT I
>>> WANTED,,,WE FRIENDS ARE NOT OUR OWN ANYMORE, WE DO AS WE ARE TOLD
>>> TRYING TO BE 'GOOD''!!!!! 'IT 'AIN'T ' EASY BEING ME !!! AH THE GOOD
OLD
>>> DAYS !!!!!
>>
>> Obviously, everyone's situation is different. My mother lived with my
>> partner and me for the last 5 years of her life. She did anything and
>> everything she wanted to. Her friends were always welcome in our home
and
>> often came to visit. She was still able to drive and often visited
those
>> same friends. If she wanted to cook, she took over the kitchen. My
>> partner and I were happy to see her do those things. I was particularly
>> grateful to be able share those last years with her, and I truly believe
>> she was very happy.
>>
>> I never *told* my mother that she had to do anything. I might sometimes
>> ask her if she wanted to do something. If she didn't want to, so be it.
>> She was her own person, and remained so until the day she died.
>
> And much of the credit should go to you, because you let her <be> her own
> person!
>
> Felice

Thank you, Felice. Actually, it was to her credit that I was able to do
so. I was raised with a firm but gentle hand, but most importantly, to be
*my* own person. How could I not do so for her.



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jmcquown wrote:

> There's only one assisted living facility (Summit Place) in the Beaufort
> area. I checked it out before Dad died. I didn't save the information
> because Dad's dementia was too far advanced; he would have required
> full-time nursing care in a nursing home. I do remember (and this is
> outrageous!) the assisted living facility doesn't accept Medicare! And
> Mom's secondary insurance carrier won't pick up anything towards
> assisted living or nursing home care until Medicare has covered the
> first 30 days. Along with that, the cost was something like $2000/month
> for a shared (with a complete stranger!) "apartment" - 2 small bedrooms,
> a small living room and very basic a kitchenette. Ridiculous.

Why is NOT taking Medicare ridiculous? I bet it simplifies their running
the joint enormously. That is assuming they at least meet minimum
standards and all that. They then can charge what they want for the
room, not just what Medicare will pay them. They may charge more, yet
provide more. Medicare would require them to provide a certain number of
charity beds and such that could just be a complication to their
business plan.

Giusi wrote:
> "jmcquown" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> The problem with adding an anti-depressant pill is I they aren't an
> over-the-counter med. I'd have to take her to the doctor (a fight in
> itself) and she'd vehemently deny being depressed. He may prescribe
> something despite her protests but I think he'd have to tell her what it's
> for??
>
> Not in so many words, and hardly anyone says, "I'm depressed!" and gets
> pills. The doc knows what to ask to find out. Gerontologists have a whole
> different language. He would probably say something like, "This will help
> you get things done" or something. They know how cagey to be.
>
>
> BTDT and it costs us $4000 a month.
>
All one need to say to most elderly folks would be that it is a
selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, which is what it does. If more
explanation necessary one can explain that serotonin is a naturally
produced hormone in the body and hers is out of whack a bit....

sf wrote:

> Someone whose daughter is on them for life told me something
> disturbing about anti-depressant pills and the possibility of
> suicide..
>
> http://www.helpguide.org/mental/medi...depression.htm
> There is a risk that antidepressant treatment will cause an increase,
> rather than a decrease, in depression. In fact, all depression
> medications are required by the FDA to carry a warning about the
> increased risk of suicide, hostility, and agitation. The FDA advises
> that all individuals on antidepressants be closely watched for
> increases in suicidal thoughts and behaviors.
>
A lot of that reasoning is that as people "feel better" they're more
"able" to do perform that chosen task. Before treatment, for some, just
making the effort to commit suicide is too much for them hence they're
not feeling very good but they're also not able to off themselves either...

On Jun 23, 2:16 pm, (Carmen) wrote:
> I'M ONE O THE OLDER? GROUP,i'VE BEEN THERE', DONE THAT..NOW LIVING IN MY
> SON'S HOME ( i HAVE MY OWN SPACE) BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS NOT WHAT I
> WANTED,,,WE FRIENDS ARE NOT OUR OWN ANYMORE, WE DO AS WE ARE TOLD
> TRYING TO BE 'GOOD''!!!!! 'IT 'AIN'T ' EASY BEING ME !!! AH THE GOOD OLD
> DAYS !!!!!

There are no good alternatives once you need to have help with daily
living. It's either live with the kids (and deal with the role
reversal of
living by their rules), live in one of the retirement options where
there
are a whole new set of rules, and people upon whose schedules you
have to wait) or if you can afford it, live on your own with aides and
other living assistants (cleaning, small-repair, yard work) to who you
will find yourself paying a breathtaking amount (it will seem.)

OB Food: Dinner tonight: roasted sesame green beans, corn
on the cob, and maple-soy sauce basted copper river salmon.

maxine in ri

"Dimitri" > ha scritto nel messaggio
news
>
> "Carmen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I'M ONE OF THOSE !!! YOU KNOW THE 'OLDER PEOPLE"!!! i'VE READ ALL YOUR
>> REPLYS AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH US...BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY..LEAVE US ALONE
>> !! WHATEVER HAPPENS COULD'NT BE AS BAD AS WHAT I'M GOING THRU' NOW !!!!

> How about when you fall, break a hip and die if dehydration. You're dead,
> what do you care - think about the guilt your kids will live with for the
> next XX years.

Or dementia gradually removes the ability to keep track of your stuff, know
your aides, even know your family, and you accuse people of stealing what
you've misplaced, call the cops on your own kids or even forget you were
cooking and set the house on fire.
All that shit happens and you don't realize it. Those who do must stop the
madness.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:04:52 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:37:11 -0700, Blinky the Shark
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>The Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds like
>>>> my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
>>>> microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on chocolate
>>>> and beer.
>>>
>>>Well, at least she had two of the basic food groups covered.
>>
>> sounds o.k. to me except for the chocolate part.
>
>As I've gotten older, my emphasis has shifted in the other direction.

at least you don't really need good teeth for either.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:04:52 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> > wrote:
>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:37:11 -0700, Blinky the Shark
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds like
>>>>> my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
>>>>> microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on chocolate
>>>>> and beer.
>>>>
>>>>Well, at least she had two of the basic food groups covered.
>>>
>>> sounds o.k. to me except for the chocolate part.
>>
>>As I've gotten older, my emphasis has shifted in the other direction.
>
> at least you don't really need good teeth for either.

Sharks replace teeth throughout their lives.

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On Tue 24 Jun 2008 08:50:42a, blake murphy told us...

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:04:52 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> > wrote:
>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:37:11 -0700, Blinky the Shark
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds like
>>>>> my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
>>>>> microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on chocolate
>>>>> and beer.
>>>>
>>>>Well, at least she had two of the basic food groups covered.
>>>
>>> sounds o.k. to me except for the chocolate part.
>>
>>As I've gotten older, my emphasis has shifted in the other direction.
>
> at least you don't really need good teeth for either.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Actually, you don't really need any teeth for either.

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:29:47 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Tue 24 Jun 2008 08:50:42a, blake murphy told us...
>
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:04:52 -0700, Blinky the Shark
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:37:11 -0700, Blinky the Shark
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds like
>>>>>> my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
>>>>>> microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on chocolate
>>>>>> and beer.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, at least she had two of the basic food groups covered.
>>>>
>>>> sounds o.k. to me except for the chocolate part.
>>>
>>>As I've gotten older, my emphasis has shifted in the other direction.
>>
>> at least you don't really need good teeth for either.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>Actually, you don't really need any teeth for either.

Did I hear one of you yell "coke"?


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Mae West

On Tue 24 Jun 2008 07:13:19p, sf told us...

> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:29:47 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Tue 24 Jun 2008 08:50:42a, blake murphy told us...
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:04:52 -0700, Blinky the Shark
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>blake murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:37:11 -0700, Blinky the Shark
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The Cook wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would say that you are correct Dimitri. Jill's mother sounds
like
>>>>>>> my MIL. There were meals in the freezer for her to put in the
>>>>>>> microwave, but they were rarely used. I think she lived on
chocolate
>>>>>>> and beer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, at least she had two of the basic food groups covered.
>>>>>
>>>>> sounds o.k. to me except for the chocolate part.
>>>>
>>>>As I've gotten older, my emphasis has shifted in the other direction.
>>>
>>> at least you don't really need good teeth for either.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>>Actually, you don't really need any teeth for either.
>
> Did I hear one of you yell "coke"?
>
>

<G>

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