I had someone ask me this the other day, so I am now bringing it to you for
your consideration:

You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. You are waited on very well by
many different people. At the end of the meal, you make a generous tip to
either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that the tip be
spread around accordingly. At a later date, you go to the same restaurant,
the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the staff treats you as
if you were dirt under their feet. You tip again, the same way as before,
but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of one of you kids works
there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row. The only explaination
is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the
others 'no tip for you'. What would you do?

Discuss among yourselves.

-ginny

"Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote

> You tip again, the same way as before, but find out thru the grapevine
> (aka a friend of one of you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the staff
> twice in a row. The only explaination is that the head/maitre'd is
> pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for you'.
> What would you do?

Tip the normal way, along with the folder with the bill. More controlled
than slipping cash to the maitre'd (who may have thought it was for him if
he didnt catch to spread it among the staff).

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote
>
>> You tip again, the same way as before, but find out thru the grapevine
>> (aka a friend of one of you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the
>> staff twice in a row. The only explaination is that the head/maitre'd is
>> pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for you'.
>> What would you do?
>
> Tip the normal way, along with the folder with the bill. More controlled
> than slipping cash to the maitre'd (who may have thought it was for him if
> he didnt catch to spread it among the staff).
>
>
Maitre'd is the one who picked up the folder (I asked this) and was told
'specifically' that the tips for the entire waitstaff was enclosed.
-ginny

On Mon 23 Jun 2008 09:16:47a, Virginia Tadrzynski told us...

> I had someone ask me this the other day, so I am now bringing it to you
> for your consideration:
>
> You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. You are waited on very well
> by many different people. At the end of the meal, you make a generous
> tip to either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that
> the tip be spread around accordingly. At a later date, you go to the
> same restaurant, the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the
> staff treats you as if you were dirt under their feet. You tip again,
> the same way as before, but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of
> one of you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a
> row. The only explaination is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the
> quite sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for you'. What would
> you do?
>
> Discuss among yourselves.
>
> -ginny

Leave the tip on the table. Let the waitstaff work it out. I would never
tip either the maitre'd or head waiter for that very reason. Results are
unpredictable. Tipping the maitre'd for a better table when you arrive is
another thing altogether and sometimes actually works. :-)



--
Wayne Boatwright
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Monday, 06(VI)/23(XXIII)/08(MMVIII)
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I'm not confused, I'm just well mixed.
(Robert Frost)
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On Jun 23, 9:16*am, "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:
> I had someone ask me this the other day, so I am now bringing it to you for
> your consideration:
>
> You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. *You are waited on very well by
> many different people. *At the end of the meal, you make a generous tip to
> either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that the tip be
> spread around accordingly. * At a later date, you go to the same restaurant,
> the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the staff treats you as
> if you were dirt under their feet. *You tip again, the same way as before,
> but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of one of you kids works
> there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row. *The only explaination
> is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the
> others 'no tip for you'. *What would you do?
>
> Discuss among yourselves.
>
Most of the time I just add the tip to the credit card. If they don't
have an equitable way to distribuite it that's their problem.
Occasionally I leave cash on the table. When I have tipped the
maitre'd for the seating it's been directly to him/her. -aem

"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
...
>I had someone ask me this the other day, so I am now bringing it to you for
>your consideration:
>
> You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. You are waited on very well by
> many different people. At the end of the meal, you make a generous tip to
> either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that the tip be
> spread around accordingly. At a later date, you go to the same
> restaurant, the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the staff
> treats you as if you were dirt under their feet. You tip again, the same
> way as before, but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of one of you
> kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row. The only
> explaination is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the quite sizable tip
> and telling the others 'no tip for you'. What would you do?
>

The only thing to do is tip people individually from that point on.

"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote
>>
>>> You tip again, the same way as before, but find out thru the grapevine
>>> (aka a friend of one of you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the
>>> staff twice in a row. The only explaination is that the head/maitre'd
>>> is pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for
>>> you'. What would you do?
>>
>> Tip the normal way, along with the folder with the bill. More controlled
>> than slipping cash to the maitre'd (who may have thought it was for him
>> if he didnt catch to spread it among the staff).
>>
>>
> Maitre'd is the one who picked up the folder (I asked this) and was told
> 'specifically' that the tips for the entire waitstaff was enclosed.
> -ginny
>

This is a restaurant management/staff problem, not your problem. If you want
to talk to someone, speak to the owner/manager (general manager if it is a
chain.)

Most restaurants have tip sharing, so the waiter picks up the tip and tips
out
the bartender, etc. Tip the maitre d'hotel separately if you wish.

"cybercat" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
> news:485fcc63$0$18918>> You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. You
> are waited on very well by
>> many different people. At the end of the meal, you make a generous tip
>> to either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that the tip
>> be spread around accordingly. At a later date, you go to the same
>> restaurant, the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the staff
>> treats you as if you were dirt under their feet. You tip again, the same
>> way as before, but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of one of
>> you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row. The
>> only explaination is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the quite
>> sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for you'. What would you do?
>>
>
> The only thing to do is tip people individually from that point on.
How are you going to hunt down 6 to 10 people who served, cleared, asked to
give them some little portion of youyr 20%? And what portion? That's why
restaurants have it worked out beforehand and why I wonder how the head
waiter got away with this, since he must pick up the folder a lot of the
time. Strange he should stiff the same person twice without giving the
staff a clue what he was doing.

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote , at 2008-06-23 18:16:
> I had someone ask me this the other day, so I am now bringing it to you for
> your consideration:
>
> You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. You are waited on very well by
> many different people. At the end of the meal, you make a generous tip to
> either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that the tip be
> spread around accordingly. At a later date, you go to the same restaurant,
> the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the staff treats you as
> if you were dirt under their feet. You tip again, the same way as before,
> but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of one of you kids works
> there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row. The only explaination
> is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the
> others 'no tip for you'. What would you do?

Go to a place where the tip is already included in the price.

"Giusi" > wrote >>
>> The only thing to do is tip people individually from that point on.
> How are you going to hunt down 6 to 10 people who served, cleared, asked
> to give them some little portion of youyr 20%?


That is not what I meant, and is certainly not necessary. As I said in
another
post to this thread, you leave your 25% (for excellent service, it was 20%
twenty years ago) on the table, and tip the maitre d'hotel individually if
you so wish. The rest of the people (bartender, busser) are tipped out by
the waiters, usually 10 to 20% of their total haul for the night.



And what portion? That's why
> restaurants have it worked out beforehand and why I wonder how the head
> waiter got away with this, since he must pick up the folder a lot of the
> time. Strange he should stiff the same person twice without giving the
> staff a clue what he was doing.

Nobody can force a waiter to share tips or be honest about what he or she
made for the night. Not the client's problem.

Sven Svensson wrote:


> Go to a place where the tip is already included in the price.

So always leave the country? There are virtually no restaurants above
fast-food level in the US like that.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> "Giusi" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
> > "cybercat" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> > ...
> >> The only thing to do is tip people individually from that point on.
>
> > How are you going to hunt down 6 to 10 people who served, cleared,
> > asked to give them some little portion of youyr 20%? And what
> > portion? That's why restaurants have it worked out beforehand and why
> > I wonder how the head waiter got away with this, since he must pick up
> > the folder a lot of the time. Strange he should stiff the same person
> > twice without giving the staff a clue what he was doing.
>
> Exactly Giusi. Apparently Cybercat doesn't get let out of the crate very
> often.


<chuckle>

And before the cyberscuzz mentioned it I had *no* idear that Chuckup Cheeze
had a maitre'd...

;-p

--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:25:55 -0400, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
> wrote:

>
>"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
>> "Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote
>>
>>> You tip again, the same way as before, but find out thru the grapevine
>>> (aka a friend of one of you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the
>>> staff twice in a row. The only explaination is that the head/maitre'd is
>>> pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for you'.
>>> What would you do?
>>
>> Tip the normal way, along with the folder with the bill. More controlled
>> than slipping cash to the maitre'd (who may have thought it was for him if
>> he didnt catch to spread it among the staff).
>>
>>
>Maitre'd is the one who picked up the folder (I asked this) and was told
>'specifically' that the tips for the entire waitstaff was enclosed.
>-ginny
>
Someone isn't watching the henhouse. That restaurant is going to be
out of business soon if the owner/manager doesn't put the brakes on
that Maitre d'. He is cheating the wait staff of their tips and
losing repeat customers. Report him to the IRS.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:25:55 -0400, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote
> >>
> >>> You tip again, the same way as before, but find out thru the
grapevine
> >>> (aka a friend of one of you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the
> >>> staff twice in a row. The only explaination is that the head/maitre'd
is
> >>> pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for
you'.
> >>> What would you do?
> >>
> >> Tip the normal way, along with the folder with the bill. More
controlled
> >> than slipping cash to the maitre'd (who may have thought it was for him
if
> >> he didnt catch to spread it among the staff).
> >>
> >>
> >Maitre'd is the one who picked up the folder (I asked this) and was told
> >'specifically' that the tips for the entire waitstaff was enclosed.
> >-ginny
> >
> Someone isn't watching the henhouse. That restaurant is going to be
> out of business soon if the owner/manager doesn't put the brakes on
> that Maitre d'. He is cheating the wait staff of their tips and
> losing repeat customers. Report him to the IRS.


There was a case a whiles back (in NYC?) where the resto manage was
pocketing a lot of the tips. The tip - dependent workers sued and won
IIRC...

--
Best
Greg

"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
...
>I had someone ask me this the other day, so I am now bringing it to you for
>your consideration:
>
> You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. You are waited on very well by
> many different people. At the end of the meal, you make a generous tip to
> either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that the tip be
> spread around accordingly. At a later date, you go to the same
> restaurant, the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the staff
> treats you as if you were dirt under their feet. You tip again, the same
> way as before, but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of one of you
> kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row. The only
> explaination is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the quite sizable tip
> and telling the others 'no tip for you'. What would you do?
>
> Discuss among yourselves.
>
> -ginny

Stop going to that restaurant and/or picket outside the joint with a sign
"the management is stealing TIPS!"

The other option is tip each server individually and tell the a) the head
waiter or the b) maitre'd you don't trust them.

Then ask to see the owner/Manager.


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:24:30 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>There was a case a whiles back (in NYC?) where the resto manage was
>pocketing a lot of the tips. The tip - dependent workers sued and won
>IIRC...

Maybe Ginny should look up the case and accidentally leave it behind
on the table for the bus boy to pick up after the maitre d' picks up
the tip.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:49:45 +0200, Sven Svensson > wrote:

>Go to a place where the tip is already included in the price.

I am positive you have a list of the restaurants that have that
policy?

"Billy" <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:49:45 +0200, Sven Svensson > wrote:
>
>>Go to a place where the tip is already included in the price.
>
> I am positive you have a list of the restaurants that have that
> policy?
>

If so, they are all outside the US.


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"Default User" > wrote in message
...
> Sven Svensson wrote:
>
>
>> Go to a place where the tip is already included in the price.
>
> So always leave the country? There are virtually no restaurants above
> fast-food level in the US like that.
>
>

And there shouldn't be. It encourages shit service.


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cybercat wrote:

> "Billy" <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:49:45 +0200, Sven Svensson > wrote:
> >
> >>Go to a place where the tip is already included in the price.
> >
> > I am positive you have a list of the restaurants that have that
> > policy?
> >
>
> If so, they are all outside the US.


N-o-p-e ...


--
Best
Greg

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote
>>
>>> You tip again, the same way as before, but find out thru the grapevine
>>> (aka a friend of one of you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the
>>> staff twice in a row. The only explaination is that the head/maitre'd is
>>> pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for you'.
>>> What would you do?
>> Tip the normal way, along with the folder with the bill. More controlled
>> than slipping cash to the maitre'd (who may have thought it was for him if
>> he didnt catch to spread it among the staff).
>>
>>
> Maitre'd is the one who picked up the folder (I asked this) and was told
> 'specifically' that the tips for the entire waitstaff was enclosed.

Ask to speak to whomever is in charge, and explain the entire story.
Make sure that the wait staff knows what happened. The maitre d' may
never be able to get another job in the industry again. If you paid by
credit card, or know the dates/times you ate there, it should be easy to
exact justice on the thief.

> -ginny
>
>
--Bryan

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Maitre'd is the one who picked up the folder (I asked this) and was
>> told 'specifically' that the tips for the entire waitstaff was
>> enclosed. -ginny
>
> In which case I would wait in the back alley until he got off work and beat
> the shit out of him. No, really I wouldn't but... I'd talk to the
> owner/manager immediately and explain the situation. It's possible a
> dishonest maitre'd is loose with not only your money but the wait staff's
> money. I'd be ****ed.

Making the situation known to everyone could have a much better result.
He could still get the shit kicked out of him in the back alley, but
by the servers and bussers he screwed.
The downside, you wouldn't get to see him bloodied up and begging for
the beating to end.
The upsides are several. First, the staff *would* get to see him
bloodied up and begging for the beating to end. Second, you wouldn't
risk getting criminally in trouble. And third, punching someone several
times makes you hand hurt. Sometimes violence is truly beautiful.
>
> Michael
>

--Bryan

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:25:55 -0400, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
> > wrote:
>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote
>>>
>>>> You tip again, the same way as before, but find out thru the grapevine
>>>> (aka a friend of one of you kids works there) that you 'stiffed' the
>>>> staff twice in a row. The only explaination is that the head/maitre'd is
>>>> pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the others 'no tip for you'.
>>>> What would you do?
>>> Tip the normal way, along with the folder with the bill. More controlled
>>> than slipping cash to the maitre'd (who may have thought it was for him if
>>> he didnt catch to spread it among the staff).
>>>
>>>
>> Maitre'd is the one who picked up the folder (I asked this) and was told
>> 'specifically' that the tips for the entire waitstaff was enclosed.
>> -ginny
>>
> Someone isn't watching the henhouse. That restaurant is going to be
> out of business soon if the owner/manager doesn't put the brakes on
> that Maitre d'. He is cheating the wait staff of their tips and
> losing repeat customers. Report him to the IRS.
>
>
That too! Great idea.

--Bryan

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:24:30 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
>> There was a case a whiles back (in NYC?) where the resto manage was
>> pocketing a lot of the tips. The tip - dependent workers sued and won
>> IIRC...
>
> Maybe Ginny should look up the case and accidentally leave it behind
> on the table for the bus boy to pick up after the maitre d' picks up
> the tip.
>
>
Or leave no tip whatsoever, and pay with plastic. Then, as soon as the
maitre d' picks up the folder, return, approach the server with a cash
tip, and explain that the fu(ker has been stealing your tips. Of
course, I'd never eat there again until AFTER I'd exposed the crook,
lest someone...ahem...adulterate my food.

--Bryan

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:

> You tip again, the same way as before, but find out thru
> the grapevine (aka a friend of one of you kids works there) that you
> 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row.

Have you tried sending word back through the grapevine?

nancy

"Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote:
> I had someone ask me this the other day, so I am now bringing it to you for
> your consideration:
>
> You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. �You are waited on very well by
> many different people. �At the end of the meal, you make a generous tip to
> either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that the tip be
> spread around accordingly. � At a later date, you go to the same restaurant,
> the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the staff treats you as
> if you were dirt under their feet. �You tip again, the same way as before,
> but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of one of you kids works
> there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row. �The only explaination
> is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the
> others 'no tip for you'. �What would you do?

Why tip the maitre'd *after* the meal... a maitre'd secures the table,
if on time and a good location a tip is expected at the time of the
service... after you're seated odds are you'll never see the maitre'd
again. I always tip waitstaff, buss staff, and most especially bar
staff with cash directly in their hand... I never tip by credit card
and I never ever leave cash on the table (only the most ignorant of
imbeciles leave cash on the table), when the tab arrives I don't hand
over cash or my credit card, I pay the cashier directly and expect a
register receipt for cash. I don't tip head waiters, they are paid a
handsome salary and a tip is no more called for than tipping the head
chef or the owner. Tipping is the sole responsibility of the patron...
expecting a third party to mete out your tip in your absence is way
beyond naive, it's infantile. Anytime one goes where tipping is
expected they need to bring along a wad of small bills.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:58:09 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>Have you tried sending word back through the grapevine?

Why is EVERYONE jumping to the conclusion that the tips were stolen?
Everything discussed here is just hearsay and doesn't prove anything.

Billy wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:58:09 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:
>
>> Have you tried sending word back through the grapevine?
>
> Why is EVERYONE jumping to the conclusion that the tips were stolen?
> Everything discussed here is just hearsay and doesn't prove anything.

The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with
letting them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?

nancy

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:35:20 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with
>letting them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?

YOU don't know the conditions set forth with their hiring. There are
MANY restaurants that POOL tips and they are divided at the end of the
shift. Employees are not stupid and they know what is going on. You
weren't there no more than I was there to witness the event.

Billy wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:35:20 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:
>
>> The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with
>> letting them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?
>
> YOU don't know the conditions set forth with their hiring. There are
> MANY restaurants that POOL tips and they are divided at the end of the
> shift. Employees are not stupid and they know what is going on. You
> weren't there no more than I was there to witness the event.

So why are the staff claiming Ginny's party stiffed them if that
was business is usual. You're not making sense. Besides, if they
think they didn't get a tip from Ginny's party, and Ginny's party did
leave a tip, nothing wrong with them knowing that.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
> Billy wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:58:09 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried sending word back through the grapevine?
>>
>> Why is EVERYONE jumping to the conclusion that the tips were stolen?
>> Everything discussed here is just hearsay and doesn't prove anything.
>
> The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with letting
> them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?
>

Nothing at all. It's a good idea.


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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
> Billy wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:58:09 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried sending word back through the grapevine?
>>
>> Why is EVERYONE jumping to the conclusion that the tips were stolen?
>> Everything discussed here is just hearsay and doesn't prove anything.
>
> The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with letting
> them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?
>

You said "hell."

:


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cybercat wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Billy wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:58:09 -0400, "Nancy Young"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you tried sending word back through the grapevine?
>>>
>>> Why is EVERYONE jumping to the conclusion that the tips were stolen?
>>> Everything discussed here is just hearsay and doesn't prove
>>> anything.
>>
>> The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with
>> letting them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?
>>
>
> You said "hell."

(laugh) The funny thing is I never even said the tips were stolen.

nancy

Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:35:20 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>wrote:

>>The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with
>>letting them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?

>YOU don't know the conditions set forth with their hiring. There are
>MANY restaurants that POOL tips and they are divided at the end of the
>shift. Employees are not stupid and they know what is going on. You
>weren't there no more than I was there to witness the event.

I agree that unless the diner is cognizant of the exact tip-sharing
(or non-sharing) scheme, the diner has no way of knowing how to
tip appropriately.

I've heard there are parts of the world where you do indeed need
to tip multiple people to avoid stiffing anyone. But to set up
such a restaurant in an area where it is not customary is asking
for trouble.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
> Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:35:20 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with
>>> letting them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?
>
>> YOU don't know the conditions set forth with their hiring. There are
>> MANY restaurants that POOL tips and they are divided at the end of the
>> shift. Employees are not stupid and they know what is going on. You
>> weren't there no more than I was there to witness the event.
>
> I agree that unless the diner is cognizant of the exact tip-sharing
> (or non-sharing) scheme, the diner has no way of knowing how to
> tip appropriately.
>
> I've heard there are parts of the world where you do indeed need
> to tip multiple people to avoid stiffing anyone. But to set up
> such a restaurant in an area where it is not customary is asking
> for trouble.

And many where you need to pay bribes for just about everything.
>
> Steve

--Bryan

cybercat wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Billy wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:58:09 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you tried sending word back through the grapevine?
>>> Why is EVERYONE jumping to the conclusion that the tips were stolen?
>>> Everything discussed here is just hearsay and doesn't prove anything.
>> The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with letting
>> them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?
>>
>
> You said "hell."
>
At least she didn't say, "panties."

--Bryan

BoboBonobo wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>>> The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with
>>> letting them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?

>> You said "hell."
>>
> At least she didn't say, "panties."

Hell Panties.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
> Billy wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:35:20 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The waitstaff said they were stiffed. What the hell is wrong with
>>> letting them know there was a tip and to take it up on their end?
>>
>> YOU don't know the conditions set forth with their hiring. There are
>> MANY restaurants that POOL tips and they are divided at the end of the
>> shift. Employees are not stupid and they know what is going on. You
>> weren't there no more than I was there to witness the event.
>
> So why are the staff claiming Ginny's party stiffed them if that
> was business is usual. You're not making sense. Besides, if they
> think they didn't get a tip from Ginny's party, and Ginny's party did
> leave a tip, nothing wrong with them knowing that.
>
> nancy


The end result I believe was that 'the source' was let in on the fact that
indeed there was a tip, in fact a rather sizable tip, left and it went
'AWOL' before the others saw their cut of it.....and this establishment is
one where the server gets the tips left for them, not pooled at the end of
the evening to be shared by those who never laid eyes on you. The reason I
asked was a number of you guys have worked in food service and I was curious
as to your response. The kid who spilled the beans about what the situation
also indicated that the servers thought something was fishy regarding this
head/maitre'd, but whenever a question arose it was brushed aside as the
staff was 'jealous' of the h/m job and position. It was if they didn't want
to rock they boat they were encouraged (by the h/m and the night manager -
who hired him) to believe they were stiffed.

I think this query may have stepped on Billy's toes. Have we been taken
in the back room and upended to empty your pockets lately, Billy?
-ginny

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:

> You go into a a fairly chi-chi restaurant. You are waited on very well by
> many different people. At the end of the meal, you make a generous tip to
> either a) the head waiter or the b) maitre'd and indicate that the tip be
> spread around accordingly. At a later date, you go to the same restaurant,
> the head/maitre'd treats you well, but the rest of the staff treats you as
> if you were dirt under their feet. You tip again, the same way as before,
> but find out thru the grapevine (aka a friend of one of you kids works
> there) that you 'stiffed' the staff twice in a row. The only explaination
> is that the head/maitre'd is pocketing the quite sizable tip and telling the
> others 'no tip for you'. What would you do?


Where are you leaving this tip? Are you adding it on to your credit card
bill and/or leaving it in the leather portfolio with the waiter?
How are you doing something different from everyone else at the
restaurant that apparently aren't stiffing the crew?

aem wrote:

> Most of the time I just add the tip to the credit card. If they don't
> have an equitable way to distribuite it that's their problem.
> Occasionally I leave cash on the table. When I have tipped the
> maitre'd for the seating it's been directly to him/her. -aem
>
For standard service I'll leave the tip on the credit card, but when I
really, REALLY want to reward the server, I try to leave the tip in cash
knowing they'll get "more" of it that way usually.