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Ham shortage?
The Mom Food Project for the week was going to be her ham with pineapple
gravy, so I went to Safeway, where I usually go when I want to buy a lot of meat. No hams. None. Well, a glazed spiral cut one (one!), and some ham steaks, and some turkey ham, but um, no. Went to the Berkeley Bowl, my local grocery with the great meat department. No hams. Some ham steaks, but otherwise nothing. No hams! Is it just not the right time of year? the last time I bought a ham, it was for a holiday, so it was easy to find. Is it hard to find the rest of the year? (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now -- half of it will go in the enchiladas, and half will be for sandwiches later in the week.) ObRFC: I'll be using this enchilada sauce recipe, posted by Becca in 2002, but with pork stock instead of chicken: Enchilada Sauce 12 New Mexico dried chiles 1/2 onion, quartered 4 cloves garlic 1 qt boiling chicken broth 1-2 tblsp Masa Harina salt to taste Remove stems and seeds from chiles and rinse. Combine chiles, onion, garlic and boiling chicken broth in a blender and allow to sit for 10 minutes. Puree until smooth. To thicken, and add flavor, I will us a tablespoon or two of Masa Harina, then salt to taste. Instead of using a food processor or blender, you can bring the chicken stock to a boil, add the chiles, onion and garlic, then use the hand held immersion blender in the pot. Serene |
Ham shortage?
Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>ObRFC: I'll be using this enchilada sauce recipe, posted by Becca in >2002, but with pork stock instead of chicken: > > Enchilada Sauce > > 12 New Mexico dried chiles >1/2 onion, quartered > 4 cloves garlic > 1 qt boiling chicken broth >1-2 tblsp Masa Harina > salt to taste >Remove stems and seeds from chiles and rinse. Combine chiles, onion, >garlic and boiling chicken broth in a blender and allow to sit for 10 >minutes. Puree until smooth. To thicken, and add flavor, I will us a >tablespoon or two of Masa Harina, then salt to taste. > >Instead of using a food processor or blender, you can bring the >chicken stock to a boil, add the chiles, onion and garlic, then use the >hand held immersion blender in the pot. Just to voice a random opinion, chicken (or other meat) stock does not belong in enchilada sauce. I always toast the chiles (this must be done carefully) right after rinsing them; I am not sure that is completely standard, but it is pretty common. The above seems like a lot of liquid for the number of chilies. Steve |
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Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in > pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. $1.19 for picnics. And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. -sw |
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Serene Vannoy wrote:
> The Mom Food Project for the week was going to be her ham with pineapple > gravy, so I went to Safeway, where I usually go when I want to buy a lot > of meat. No hams. None. Well, a glazed spiral cut one (one!), and some > ham steaks, and some turkey ham, but um, no. > > Went to the Berkeley Bowl, my local grocery with the great meat > department. No hams. Some ham steaks, but otherwise nothing. > > No hams! Is it just not the right time of year? the last time I bought a > ham, it was for a holiday, so it was easy to find. Is it hard to find > the rest of the year? > > (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in > pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now -- half of > it will go in the enchiladas, and half will be for sandwiches later in > the week.) > > ObRFC: I'll be using this enchilada sauce recipe, posted by Becca in > 2002, but with pork stock instead of chicken: > > Enchilada Sauce > > 12 New Mexico dried chiles > 1/2 onion, quartered > 4 cloves garlic > 1 qt boiling chicken broth > 1-2 tblsp Masa Harina > salt to taste > > Remove stems and seeds from chiles and rinse. Combine chiles, onion, > garlic and boiling chicken broth in a blender and allow to sit for 10 > minutes. Puree until smooth. To thicken, and add flavor, I will us a > tablespoon or two of Masa Harina, then salt to taste. > > Instead of using a food processor or blender, you can bring the > chicken stock to a boil, add the chiles, onion and garlic, then use the > hand held immersion blender in the pot. To heck with ham. Your enchiladas sound wonderful, but I always put onions in the enchiladas, but not the enchilada *sauce*. Funny that pork "butts" are actually a shoulder cut. They're very popular here in St. Louis, and they get really cheap, like $1.19/#. > > Serene --Bryan, who's all for making corn into ethanol, as long as it's for drinking not cars, but would rather see corn flour or cornmeal. |
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BoboBonobo > wrote:
>To heck with ham. Your enchiladas sound wonderful, but I always put >onions in the enchiladas, but not the enchilada *sauce*. My inclination is also to leave onion out of the enchilada sauce, but Mrs. Pope (who is from New Mexico) always says to put it in. S. |
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Steve Pope wrote:
> Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >> ObRFC: I'll be using this enchilada sauce recipe, posted by Becca in >> 2002, but with pork stock instead of chicken: >> >> Enchilada Sauce >> >> 12 New Mexico dried chiles >> 1/2 onion, quartered >> 4 cloves garlic >> 1 qt boiling chicken broth >> 1-2 tblsp Masa Harina >> salt to taste > >> Remove stems and seeds from chiles and rinse. Combine chiles, onion, >> garlic and boiling chicken broth in a blender and allow to sit for 10 >> minutes. Puree until smooth. To thicken, and add flavor, I will us a >> tablespoon or two of Masa Harina, then salt to taste. >> >> Instead of using a food processor or blender, you can bring the >> chicken stock to a boil, add the chiles, onion and garlic, then use the >> hand held immersion blender in the pot. > > Just to voice a random opinion, chicken (or other meat) stock > does not belong in enchilada sauce. I always toast the chiles > (this must be done carefully) right after rinsing them; I am not sure > that is completely standard, but it is pretty common. Gosh, I can hardly believe that I'm defending using something against a pretty legitimate "does not belong", but the nice flavor that a little pork imparts to chile is something I've experienced, and specifically with NuMex Reds, though not as enchilada sauce. It's nice that it doesn't have all kinds of other stuff added, as so often people want to throw other ingredients in. I can certainly see why you'd caution, "this must be done carefully," when you're referring to re-hydrated reds. I bet it took you a while to get that right. > > The above seems like a lot of liquid for the number of chilies. I think that's what the masa was about, and it does seem that the quart of stock would need to be reduced a bit, rather than merely brought to a boil, though those NuMex chilies are often pretty large. I'm x-posting my reply, I think, quite aptly. > > Steve --Bryan |
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"Sqwertz" wrote
>> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in >> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... > > I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. $1.19 for picnics. > And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. I just did a big shopping trip (stocked the freezer). The picnics were out just then so dunno how much they were but the bone-in butts were 1.13/lb and the boneless 1.39/lb. I was happy, usually they are more like your prices. |
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:34:03 -0400, cshenk wrote:
> "Sqwertz" wrote > >>> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in >>> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... >> >> I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. $1.19 for picnics. >> And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. > > I just did a big shopping trip (stocked the freezer). The picnics were out > just then so dunno how much they were but the bone-in butts were 1.13/lb and > the boneless 1.39/lb. I was happy, usually they are more like your prices. I don't care what part of the country you're in, $4.50/lb for pork butt is just outrageous. I've never heard of that, even in CA. I'm convinced there's some sort of price-fixing going on there in the northern CA grocery stores. For comparison, shop at the Mexican and Asian markets and you'll see the *real* market prices for things like that. -sw |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in >> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... > > I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. $1.19 for picnics. > And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. Well, I wasn't going to worry about the price in this instance. We couldn't find a ham, so I wanted some big piece of pig to compensate. Three large meals for five people out of a $20 roast is acceptable, but it's certainly more than I usually pay for meat. Serene -- "I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef |
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Steve Wertz > wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:34:03 -0400, cshenk wrote: > > "Sqwertz" wrote > > >>> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in > >>> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... > > >> I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. �$1.19 for picnics. > >> And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. > > > I just did a big shopping trip (stocked the freezer). �The picnics were out > > just then so dunno how much they were but the bone-in butts were 1.13/lb and > > the boneless 1.39/lb. �I was happy, usually they are more like your prices. > > I don't care what part of the country you're in, $4.50/lb for pork butt > is just outrageous. �I've never heard of that, even in CA. �I'm > convinced there's some sort of price-fixing going on there in the > northern CA grocery stores. � > > For comparison, shop at the Mexican and Asian markets and you'll see the > *real* market prices for things like that. > > -sw There is no cut of fresh pork that costs $4.50/lb, not anywhere in the 48. That pig tail story sounds exactly like Duh'Wayne's chicken tale. At the Hispanic Market chain I used to shop on Lung Guyland pork butt/ pork shoulder typically sells for about $1/lb. http://www.comparesupermarkets.com/showSales.php?SID=18 |
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On Jun 25, 4:07�pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote: > > Serene Vannoy > wrote: > > >> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in > >> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... > > > I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. �$1.19 for picnics. > > And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. > > Well, I wasn't going to worry about the price in this instance. We > couldn't find a ham, so I wanted some big piece of pig to compensate. > > Three large meals for five people out of a $20 roast is acceptable, but > it's certainly more than I usually pay for meat. A four pound pork butt is hardly going to feed five adults even one meal, pork butt is mostly fat, after cooking it weighs less than half $4.50/lb will buy a pretty decent beef roast. Whole fresh ham shouldn't cost more than like $1.30/lb, usually less. |
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:26:28 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote: >At the Hispanic Market chain I used to shop on Lung Guyland pork butt/ >pork shoulder typically sells for about $1/lb. It's always about that here in Chicago too. For $4.50 I can buy steak. No way I'd spend more than $1.50 for a shoulder. I'd change the menu first. Lou |
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:07:29 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> wrote: >Sqwertz wrote: >> Serene Vannoy > wrote: >> >>> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in >>> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... >> >> I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. $1.19 for picnics. >> And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. > >Well, I wasn't going to worry about the price in this instance. We >couldn't find a ham, so I wanted some big piece of pig to compensate. Pork tenderloin is about $3.50 here. If I paid $4.50 for a butt I'd want a BJ too. Lou |
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On Jun 25, 7:09�pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:07:29 -0700, Serene Vannoy > > > wrote: > >Sqwertz wrote: > >> Serene Vannoy > wrote: > > >>> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in > >>> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... > > >> I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. �$1.19 for picnics. > >> And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. > > >Well, I wasn't going to worry about the price in this instance. We > >couldn't find a ham, so I wanted some big piece of pig to compensate. > > Pork tenderloin is about $3.50 here. �If I paid $4.50 for a butt I'd > want a BJ too. I think you'd best get that BJ before you do butt. |
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:01:47 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote: >On Jun 25, 7:09?pm, Lou Decruss > wrote: >> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:07:29 -0700, Serene Vannoy >> >> > wrote: >> >Sqwertz wrote: >> >> Serene Vannoy > wrote: >> >> >>> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in >> >>> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now... >> >> >> I never pay more than $1.69/lb for pork butts. ?$1.19 for picnics. >> >> And $1.59 for boneless pork butt chunks. >> >> >Well, I wasn't going to worry about the price in this instance. We >> >couldn't find a ham, so I wanted some big piece of pig to compensate. >> >> Pork tenderloin is about $3.50 here. ?If I paid $4.50 for a butt I'd >> want a BJ too. > >I think you'd best get that BJ before you do butt. I never did understand the hole sequence of porn flicks. I hope they clean up between there sometime. Lou |
Ham shortage?
"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message ... > The Mom Food Project for the week was going to be her ham with pineapple > gravy, so I went to Safeway, where I usually go when I want to buy a lot > of meat. No hams. None. Well, a glazed spiral cut one (one!), and some > ham steaks, and some turkey ham, but um, no. > > Went to the Berkeley Bowl, my local grocery with the great meat > department. No hams. Some ham steaks, but otherwise nothing. > > No hams! Is it just not the right time of year? the last time I bought a > ham, it was for a holiday, so it was easy to find. Is it hard to find the > rest of the year? > > (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in > pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now -- half of it > will go in the enchiladas, and half will be for sandwiches later in the > week.) > > ObRFC: I'll be using this enchilada sauce recipe, posted by Becca in 2002, > but with pork stock instead of chicken: > > Enchilada Sauce > > 12 New Mexico dried chiles > 1/2 onion, quartered > 4 cloves garlic > 1 qt boiling chicken broth > 1-2 tblsp Masa Harina > salt to taste > > Remove stems and seeds from chiles and rinse. Combine chiles, onion, > garlic and boiling chicken broth in a blender and allow to sit for 10 > minutes. Puree until smooth. To thicken, and add flavor, I will us a > tablespoon or two of Masa Harina, then salt to taste. > > Instead of using a food processor or blender, you can bring the > chicken stock to a boil, add the chiles, onion and garlic, then use the > hand held immersion blender in the pot. > > Serene I just bought a "Cook's" bone in shank half ham at Walmart for $1.48/lb. This was at a massive Walmart 30 mi. west of Sacramento. I don't know about the local Walmarts in the bay area. Kent |
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Kent wrote:
> I just bought a "Cook's" bone in shank half ham at Walmart for $1.48/lb. > This was at a massive Walmart 30 mi. west of Sacramento. I don't know about > the local Walmarts in the bay area. I don't shop at Wal-mart, but thanks for the tip. Serene -- "I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef |
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BoboBonobo wrote:
> To heck with ham. Your enchiladas sound wonderful, but I always put > onions in the enchiladas, but not the enchilada *sauce*. I usually do, too, but I forgot. No one missed them but me. :-) Serene -- "I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef |
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Steve Pope wrote:
> Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >> ObRFC: I'll be using this enchilada sauce recipe, posted by Becca in >> 2002, but with pork stock instead of chicken: >> >> Enchilada Sauce >> >> 12 New Mexico dried chiles >> 1/2 onion, quartered >> 4 cloves garlic >> 1 qt boiling chicken broth >> 1-2 tblsp Masa Harina >> salt to taste > >> Remove stems and seeds from chiles and rinse. Combine chiles, onion, >> garlic and boiling chicken broth in a blender and allow to sit for 10 >> minutes. Puree until smooth. To thicken, and add flavor, I will us a >> tablespoon or two of Masa Harina, then salt to taste. >> >> Instead of using a food processor or blender, you can bring the >> chicken stock to a boil, add the chiles, onion and garlic, then use the >> hand held immersion blender in the pot. > > Just to voice a random opinion, chicken (or other meat) stock > does not belong in enchilada sauce. I always toast the chiles > (this must be done carefully) right after rinsing them; I am not sure > that is completely standard, but it is pretty common. > > The above seems like a lot of liquid for the number of chilies. The chilis were large. At any rate, it ended up being VERY thick sauce, so more liquid would've been called for, but I left it thick. It was actually quite impressive, all dark and thick like that. Serene -- "I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef |
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Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>Steve Pope wrote: >> Just to voice a random opinion, chicken (or other meat) stock >> does not belong in enchilada sauce. I always toast the chiles >> (this must be done carefully) right after rinsing them; I am not sure >> that is completely standard, but it is pretty common. >> The above seems like a lot of liquid for the number of chilies. >The chilis were large. At any rate, it ended up being VERY thick sauce, >so more liquid would've been called for, but I left it thick. It was >actually quite impressive, all dark and thick like that. Cool, I'm glad it worked out. After your initial post, I looked at Andronicos for hams. No hams there either. Maybe it's seasonal, or somehow a fallout from high fuel prices. Steve |
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Serene Vannoy wrote:
> Kent wrote: > >> I just bought a "Cook's" bone in shank half ham at Walmart for >> $1.48/lb. This was at a massive Walmart 30 mi. west of Sacramento. I >> don't know about the local Walmarts in the bay area. > > I don't shop at Wal-mart, but thanks for the tip. > > Serene Kroger's has a meat case full of Cook's shank and butt hams for .99 per lb up to 1.99 per lb. This is in SW Louisiana but I'm sure the Kroger's chain elsewhere generally has hams. |
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"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message ... > Kent wrote: > >> I just bought a "Cook's" bone in shank half ham at Walmart for $1.48/lb. >> This was at a massive Walmart 30 mi. west of Sacramento. I don't know >> about the local Walmarts in the bay area. > > I don't shop at Wal-mart, but thanks for the tip. > > Serene > This was at a Wal-Mart "Supercenter", I just discovered. My calculations suggest the store is about 4 acres in size. The closest one to the east SF bay is in America Canyon, about 20 miles north. I'm sure the standard Wal-Mart doesn't carry ham. Kent |
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:47:41 -0700, Serene Vannoy
>>> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in >>> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now -- half of it >>> will go in the enchiladas, and half will be for sandwiches later in the >>> week.) >>> >> >> At $4.50/lb, you got taken. > >Oh, I know, but as I said, it worked out well, and I got three big meals >for that $20. *shrug* Still cheaper than eating out. > >Serene You should have been here last year...I got pork butts like you described, for $0.97/pound. Christine |
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:50:17 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> wrote: >Kent wrote: > >> I just bought a "Cook's" bone in shank half ham at Walmart for $1.48/lb. >> This was at a massive Walmart 30 mi. west of Sacramento. I don't know about >> the local Walmarts in the bay area. > >I don't shop at Wal-mart, but thanks for the tip. > >Serene I won't shop there either, but Cook's is one of the few grocery store brands that is only partially cooked and is wonderful for a slow cook in a grill or smoker. Lou |
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"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message ... > The Mom Food Project for the week was going to be her ham with pineapple > gravy, so I went to Safeway, where I usually go when I want to buy a lot > of meat. No hams. None. Well, a glazed spiral cut one (one!), and some > ham steaks, and some turkey ham, but um, no. > > Went to the Berkeley Bowl, my local grocery with the great meat > department. No hams. Some ham steaks, but otherwise nothing. > > No hams! Is it just not the right time of year? the last time I bought a > ham, it was for a holiday, so it was easy to find. Is it hard to find the > rest of the year? > > (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in > pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now -- half of it > will go in the enchiladas, and half will be for sandwiches later in the > week.) > At $4.50/lb, you got taken. |
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Kswck wrote:
> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message > ... >> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in >> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now -- half of it >> will go in the enchiladas, and half will be for sandwiches later in the >> week.) >> > > At $4.50/lb, you got taken. Oh, I know, but as I said, it worked out well, and I got three big meals for that $20. *shrug* Still cheaper than eating out. Serene -- "I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef |
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The Cook wrote:
> You better check the meat before you buy it. As far as I am > concerned, beef roast should not have an ingredient list. Their's > does. I like the way you put that. Certainly a good point. |
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:52:30 -0700, "Kent" > wrote:
> >"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message ... >> The Mom Food Project for the week was going to be her ham with pineapple >> gravy, so I went to Safeway, where I usually go when I want to buy a lot >> of meat. No hams. None. Well, a glazed spiral cut one (one!), and some >> ham steaks, and some turkey ham, but um, no. >> >> Went to the Berkeley Bowl, my local grocery with the great meat >> department. No hams. Some ham steaks, but otherwise nothing. >> >> No hams! Is it just not the right time of year? the last time I bought a >> ham, it was for a holiday, so it was easy to find. Is it hard to find the >> rest of the year? >> >> (We're going to end up having pork enchiladas instead. I found a bone-in >> pork butt for $4.50 a pound, and I'm pressure-cooking it now -- half of it >> will go in the enchiladas, and half will be for sandwiches later in the >> week.) >> >> ObRFC: I'll be using this enchilada sauce recipe, posted by Becca in 2002, >> but with pork stock instead of chicken: >> >> Enchilada Sauce >> >> 12 New Mexico dried chiles >> 1/2 onion, quartered >> 4 cloves garlic >> 1 qt boiling chicken broth >> 1-2 tblsp Masa Harina >> salt to taste >> >> Remove stems and seeds from chiles and rinse. Combine chiles, onion, >> garlic and boiling chicken broth in a blender and allow to sit for 10 >> minutes. Puree until smooth. To thicken, and add flavor, I will us a >> tablespoon or two of Masa Harina, then salt to taste. >> >> Instead of using a food processor or blender, you can bring the >> chicken stock to a boil, add the chiles, onion and garlic, then use the >> hand held immersion blender in the pot. >> >> Serene > >I just bought a "Cook's" bone in shank half ham at Walmart for $1.48/lb. >This was at a massive Walmart 30 mi. west of Sacramento. I don't know about >the local Walmarts in the bay area. > >Kent > > You better check the meat before you buy it. As far as I am concerned, beef roast should not have an ingredient list. Their's does. |
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