On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:43:00 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:


>True. Goomba is a nurse, though. Nurses usually think that they know *even
>more* than doctors.
>

Sometimes we do.
Especially brand new residents....we have to train 'em...

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:43:00 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>True. Goomba is a nurse, though. Nurses usually think that they know *even
>>more* than doctors.
>>
>
> Sometimes we do.
> Especially brand new residents....we have to train 'em...
>

I have no doubt that this is true. I also have no doubt that you are not
*obnoxious* like "Goomba." At least not as far as I have seen. To begin
with, WTF chooses a name like "Goomba?"

I'm just sayin.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:01:44 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:


>I have no doubt that this is true. I also have no doubt that you are not
>*obnoxious* like "Goomba." At least not as far as I have seen. To begin
>with, WTF chooses a name like "Goomba?"
>
>I'm just sayin.
>

When I met Goomba last year, and had dinner with her, and a bunch of
other rfc'ers, including Blake, Boli and Cryambers, I didn't find her
at all obnoxious. I don't think the others did either.

And sometimes folks have nicknames that others have a hard time
comprehending... My best friends are cases in point: they got them
when they were very young, and they stuck.

OB Food: eating some of my leftover chicken a la king...mmm.. A great
late night snack!

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:43:00 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>True. Goomba is a nurse, though. Nurses usually think that they know *even
>>more* than doctors.
>>
>
> Sometimes we do.

Sometimes but not alaways. Like when I worked for a PPO and a staff nurse
diagnosed a secretary with a minor rash until a staff doctor sent her home
with measels and ordered her quarantined.

Paul
> Especially brand new residents....we have to train 'em...
>
> Christine

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> Well doctors think they do, but in this case I tend not to agree with them.
> They blamed peptic ulcers on stress for decades until it was discovered to
> be caused by a bacterium.
>
> Paul
>
no, SOME ulcers are caused by bacteria. Others not.

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> Wiki is a decent place to gather information. However it is often
> riddled with inaccuracies or opinions masquerading as established
> fact. So always take it with a grain of salt. Doctors are clueless
> as well. It seems they never have health issues and trust what they
> read from textbooks and the patient just knows nothing at all.
>
> Paul

LOL My mother was rather upset I was limited to drinking hot chicken or
beef broth, fruit juice, water and decaf tea for three days. She wondered
aloud if doctors ever follow the diets they prescribe for their patients

Jill <--having scrambled eggs - no water, no milk, no butter this morning

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Well doctors think they do, but in this case I tend not to agree with
>> them. They blamed peptic ulcers on stress for decades until it was
>> discovered to be caused by a bacterium.
>>
>> Paul
>>
> no, SOME ulcers are caused by bacteria. Others not.


Most ulcers, like 95 plus percent.

Paul

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:29:22 -0500, The Cook >
wrote:

>
>When you get back to real food, eat slowly and chew throughly.

horace fletcher was right!

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Fletcher>

just remember, they laughed at fulton.

your pal,
blake

"Paul McNoob" > wrote in message
...
> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
> what I can recall).

Go he http://www.medicinenet.com/diverticulosis/article.htm

It was a diet used to treat Diverticulosis. No longer a valid treatment.
They also removed any seedy items from the diet like berries, Nuts, popcorn
etc.


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Goomba" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Well doctors think they do, but in this case I tend not to agree with
>>> them. They blamed peptic ulcers on stress for decades until it was
>>> discovered to be caused by a bacterium.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>> no, SOME ulcers are caused by bacteria. Others not.
>
>
> Most ulcers, like 95 plus percent.
>
> Paul

Got a citation for that claim?
Stress ulcers exist, trust me.

Zeppo wrote:

> Paul,
> Its possible this person had Crones disease. It's not very widely understood
> and there is no cure for it so the methodology for dealing with it is almost
> seasonal. For decades doctors would tell patients that they should not each
> corn, whole grains and nuts as they would irritate the condition. Since then
> it has been identified as an autoimmune disease and the rational has swung
> back to 'its not the food making you sick so eat anything that doesn't make
> you feel I'll.
>
> My mother had it and it was the cause of her death a few years ago. My
> step-daughter has it but her last surgery seems to have kept it at bay for
> few years. She can pretty much eat anything she wants these days.
>
> Jon

My SIL had Crohn's disease and she died when she was 43. She avoided
eating nuts, seeds, popcorn and berries, because that was the advice of
her doctor. Gosh, I miss her.

Becca

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Goomba" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well doctors think they do, but in this case I tend not to agree with
>>>> them. They blamed peptic ulcers on stress for decades until it was
>>>> discovered to be caused by a bacterium.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>> no, SOME ulcers are caused by bacteria. Others not.
>>
>>
>> Most ulcers, like 95 plus percent.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Got a citation for that claim?
> Stress ulcers exist, trust me.

I didn't say they didn't. But I do know it took more than 20 years for the
treatment to even be studied in this country. It took a Clinton
presidential order for the FDA to even begin trials when in Australia and
Europe it was and had been a common treatment since the mid 70s. Drug
makers wanted to hold on to their patented meds like Pepcid AC and Zantec
and lobbied against making the treatment available here. Typical of the way
this country operates.

Paul

"Becca" > wrote
> My SIL had Crohn's disease and she died when she was 43.

I never realized Crohn's could kill you.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:36:18 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Got a citation for that claim?
>Stress ulcers exist, trust me.

Stress canker sores exist too... but that's probably just me. I've
never consulted a Dr. about it.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:29:44 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"Becca" > wrote
>> My SIL had Crohn's disease and she died when she was 43.
>
>I never realized Crohn's could kill you.
>
Me either... My neighbor has it. She's my age (mumble, mumble). I've
known her since I moved here 30ish years ago.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> What's a canker sore?????

Nobody really knows, last I checks.

Steve

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:46:18 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>
>> What's a canker sore?????
>
>Nobody really knows, last I checks.
>
>Steve



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:58:04 -0700, sf <.> wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:46:18 +0000 (UTC),
>(Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>>Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>>
>>> What's a canker sore?????
>>
>>Nobody really knows, last I checks.
>>

Well, you made me look and now I know that the terms cold sore and
canker sore are not interchangeable.

I think I have cold sores, but they are on my lip or rather at the
edge of my lip. I used to get them as a kid inside my mouth (that was
the worst). I know it's a virus just sitting there waiting to flare
up because I can track where it has traveled over the years. It
started under my tongue when I was a kid and traveled in a straight
line... inside gum, outside gum, inside lip and now outside lip and is
traveling around the lip always in a slightly new location. Mick.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cold-sore/DS00358
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/canker-sore/DS00354

I must comment though that the lymph nodes under my arms were sore and
one neck muscle went into a spasm for days. So, I don't know what it
was except my description fits cold sore better than canker sore.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:46:18 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>
>> What's a canker sore?????
>
>Nobody really knows, last I checks.
>
Well, you made me look and now I know that the terms cold sore and
canker sore are not interchangeable.

I think I have cold sores, but they are on my lip or rather at the
edge of my lip. I used to get them as a kid inside my mouth (that was
the worst). I know it's a virus just sitting there waiting to flare
up because I can track where it has traveled over the years. It
started under my tongue when I was a kid and traveled in a straight
line... inside gum, outside gum, inside lip and now outside lip and is
traveling around the lip always in a slightly new location. Ick.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cold-sore/DS00358
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/canker-sore/DS00354

I must comment though that the lymph nodes under my arms were sore and
one neck muscle went into a spasm for days. So, I don't know what it
was except my description fits cold sore better than canker sore.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" <.> wrote:

> It
> started under my tongue when I was a kid and traveled in a straight
> line... inside gum, outside gum, inside lip and now outside lip and is
> traveling around the lip always in a slightly new location. Ick.
>
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cold-sore/DS00358
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/canker-sore/DS00354

Well, that was interesting. I have never had cold sores, but frequently get
a tiny canker sore under or on the side of my tongue. There must be
a hereditary component because my father told me, when I got my
first one as a child, that he had these so bad when he was small that
his tongue was covered with them. He was also allergic to everything
in the world, just about.

>
> I must comment though that the lymph nodes under my arms were sore and
> one neck muscle went into a spasm for days. So, I don't know what it
> was except my description fits cold sore better than canker sore.
>

This sounds like what the "causes" section at the site above called
immune system-related. Scary. Notice that they attribute the causes
of these things to everything but black magic?

My father thought acidic foods brought them on. I think Advair does,
if I am not careful to rinse my mouth after each use. But the immune
system cause is undeniable. When you notices something like swollen
lymph nodes, that's all it can be. Last Christmas I was out of town and
sicker than I have ever been, with a virus that not only congested my
head and lungs but made me muddle-brained, too. I got a huge canker
on the side of my tongue that made it impossible to eat. AT CHRISTMAS
time! I remember looking longingly at many of the baked goodies my sister
made.

"Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message
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> The message >
> from sf <.> contains these words:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:36:18 -0400, Goomba >
>> wrote:
>
>> >Got a citation for that claim?
>> >Stress ulcers exist, trust me.
>
>> Stress canker sores exist too... but that's probably just me. I've
>> never consulted a Dr. about it.
>
> What's a canker sore?????
>


A small ulceration in the mouth. Cause unknown so doctors chalk it up to
stress.

Paul

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Becca" > wrote
>> My SIL had Crohn's disease and she died when she was 43.
>
> I never realized Crohn's could kill you.

It can cause the colon to rupture leading to peritonitis. Once that happens
you have about a 1 in 3 chance of surviving assuming prompt care.

Paul

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:34:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>This sounds like what the "causes" section at the site above called
>immune system-related. Scary. Notice that they attribute the causes
>of these things to everything but black magic?

I'll go with stress.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Becca" > wrote
>>> My SIL had Crohn's disease and she died when she was 43.
>>
>> I never realized Crohn's could kill you.
>
> It can cause the colon to rupture leading to peritonitis. Once that
> happens you have about a 1 in 3 chance of surviving assuming prompt care.
>
I have an aunt pushing 90 with this. Tough old wonderful bird. She has had
many, many things go wrong, and just keeps going.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:44:53 +0100, Janet Baraclough
> wrote:

>The message >
>from sf <.> contains these words:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:46:18 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> >Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>> >
<snip>
>
>> I must comment though that the lymph nodes under my arms were sore and
>> one neck muscle went into a spasm for days.
>
> You should see a doctor for that combination of symptoms.
>
Odd as it sounds, it seems like the more available something is - the
less likely I am to use it. I pay through the nose for insurance and
can see my Dr. (who is excellent) at the drop of a hat... yet I don't
go in for something that insignificant. I was ambulatory, so I was
ok.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message
...
> The message >
> from sf <.> contains these words:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:46:18 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> >Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>> >
>> >> What's a canker sore?????
>> >
>> >Nobody really knows, last I checks.
>> >
>> Well, you made me look and now I know that the terms cold sore and
>> canker sore are not interchangeable.
>
>> I think I have cold sores, but they are on my lip or rather at the
>> edge of my lip.
>
> What you call cancer and we call mouth ulcers, occur only inside not
> outside the mouth. So it's probably the other one, cold sores, or herpes
> simplex.
>
> This has more info on "cold sores" than the mayo page.
>
> http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40024914/


If you are prone to getting fever blisters/cold sores Herpes Simplex type 1
Get and use ABRIVA the stuff works and takes ALL the pain away.

Worth the money


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)