Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
what I can recall).

Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.

I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
skin of the kernels.

I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.

In article
>,
Paul McNoob > wrote:

> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
> what I can recall).
>
> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
> doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>
> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
> skin of the kernels.
>
> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.

Some intestinal conditions cause problems with some foods. I have wheat
intolerance, which means I can't eat anything containing wheat, whereas
most of the population has no problem with it. Some people have to be
careful with other foods such as nuts, which irritate the intestinal
lining. So the answer to "are corn and certain nuts bad for the colon?"
is "no, unless you have a digestive condition which is irritated by
them."

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

Miche wrote:
> In article
> >,
> Paul McNoob > wrote:
>
>> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
>> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
>> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
>> what I can recall).
>>
(Sorry to piggyback, Miche, but I don't see posts from gmail users.)

The condition is diverticulitis and, if severe enough, can require surgery
to remove a portion of the colon. It doesn't happen to everyone. Corn
kernels are tough and harder to digest than some foods (ground corn not so
much but advisable only in small quantities for people with diverticulosis,
which is the precursor to diverticulitis). Some nuts are difficult to
digest just like the corn kernels. Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can
cause problems, as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be
avoided. What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and the area
becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.

Jill

On Jun 25, 11:50*am, Paul McNoob > wrote:
> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
> what I can recall).
>
> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
> doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>
> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
> skin of the kernels.
>
> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.

My cousin had part of her colon removed due to cancer. What you say is
true for her. No seeds, nuts, things with hulls or skins at all. She
has been back to the hospital since her surgery a few times to getting
backed up- I guess her colon is easily irritated. We have her over for
dinner every other week or so, and I have to be really careful in my
planning. One time, I had planned on using strawberries in a dessert,
and since she can't have even those tiny seeds, I peeled them. She
really loved that as there are some things she really misses.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT), Paul McNoob
> wrote:

>Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
>they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
>Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
>what I can recall).
>
>Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
>doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>
>I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
>skin of the kernels.
>
>I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
>about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
>hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.

I have diverticulosis, not diverticulitis. The doctor said "eat
plenty of fiber." You need to keep the intestine working.

The Cook wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT), Paul McNoob
> > wrote:
>
>> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
>> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
>> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
>> what I can recall).
>>
>> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or
>> it doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon,
>> period.
>>
>> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
>> skin of the kernels.
>>
>> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
>> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
>> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.
>
> I have diverticulosis, not diverticulitis. The doctor said "eat
> plenty of fiber." You need to keep the intestine working.


Yep! I was never diagnosed with diverticulosis, just went straight to
diverticulitis on Tuesday LOL I don't really eat a lot of stuff that could
have caused this so I don't know why I'm one of the lucky ones! But yes,
high fiber: fresh fruits, green leafy vegetables, high fiber breads and bran
cereals are recommended.

Jill

Paul McNoob wrote:
> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
> what I can recall).
>
> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
> doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>
> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
> skin of the kernels.
>
> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.

When people develop diverticulosis/diverticulitis, little pockets of
intestine develop that small seeds and nuts (and perhaps undigested
corn) can be trapped in. This can inflame the bowel and set up
infection. High fiber diets help keep things moving along and perhaps
avoid the development of these conditions in the first place.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Some nuts are difficult to digest just like the corn kernels.
> Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can cause problems,
> as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be avoided.
> What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
> intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and
> the area becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.

It's also not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis#Controversy

jmcquown wrote:

> Yep! I was never diagnosed with diverticulosis, just went straight to
> diverticulitis on Tuesday LOL I don't really eat a lot of stuff that
> could have caused this so I don't know why I'm one of the lucky ones!
> But yes, high fiber: fresh fruits, green leafy vegetables, high fiber
> breads and bran cereals are recommended.
>
> Jill

All that means is your diverticulum are inflamed and infected. Clear
that up and you won't have the inflammation (that "itis" part) and
you'll have that diverticulosis diagnosis.

See what happens when you don't eat your vegetables and salads? LOL

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:20:38 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>The Cook wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT), Paul McNoob
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
>>> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
>>> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
>>> what I can recall).
>>>
>>> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or
>>> it doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon,
>>> period.
>>>
>>> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
>>> skin of the kernels.
>>>
>>> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
>>> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
>>> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.
>>
>> I have diverticulosis, not diverticulitis. The doctor said "eat
>> plenty of fiber." You need to keep the intestine working.
>
>
>Yep! I was never diagnosed with diverticulosis, just went straight to
>diverticulitis on Tuesday LOL I don't really eat a lot of stuff that could
>have caused this so I don't know why I'm one of the lucky ones! But yes,
>high fiber: fresh fruits, green leafy vegetables, high fiber breads and bran
>cereals are recommended.
>
>Jill

The only reason I know that I have it is because I have had a couple
of CT scans in the last 4 years and diverticuli showed up. I believe
that it is said that most people over 50 have diverticulosis and never
know it because it does no flare up.

"Paul McNoob" > wrote in message
...
> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
> what I can recall).
>
> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
> doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>
> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
> skin of the kernels.
>
> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.

Ancient Chinese saying - "The stomach has no teeth"

I have colon issues. Mine hates me and a few years back it tried to murder
me. Seriously. So I know colon trouble. And yes, corn can really mess it
up bad. If you do not chew it thoroughly it will cause a lot of distress.
If you diverticulitis or any other inflammatory bowel disease you should
avoid it. Same goes for nuts. A lot of people with IBD, irritable bowel
disorder cannot tolerate either of them.

Paul

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Some nuts are difficult to digest just like the corn kernels.
>> Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can cause problems,
>> as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be avoided.
>> What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
>> intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and
>> the area becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.
>
> It's also not true.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis#Controversy

Take my word for it - it is true. Very true. I almost died from perforated
diverticultis. There are spontaneous causes that doctors cannot explain, but
there is little "controversy" amongst those who have dealt with it. I know
of several sufferers and they all avoid seeds like poison because it leads
to painful and debilitating flare-ups.

Paul

"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:20:38 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>The Cook wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT), Paul McNoob
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
>>>> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
>>>> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
>>>> what I can recall).
>>>>
>>>> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or
>>>> it doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon,
>>>> period.
>>>>
>>>> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
>>>> skin of the kernels.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
>>>> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
>>>> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.
>>>
>>> I have diverticulosis, not diverticulitis. The doctor said "eat
>>> plenty of fiber." You need to keep the intestine working.
>>
>>
>>Yep! I was never diagnosed with diverticulosis, just went straight to
>>diverticulitis on Tuesday LOL I don't really eat a lot of stuff that
>>could
>>have caused this so I don't know why I'm one of the lucky ones! But yes,
>>high fiber: fresh fruits, green leafy vegetables, high fiber breads and
>>bran
>>cereals are recommended.
>>
>>Jill
>
> The only reason I know that I have it is because I have had a couple
> of CT scans in the last 4 years and diverticuli showed up. I believe
> that it is said that most people over 50 have diverticulosis and never
> know it because it does no flare up.

That's a fact. Everyone has an appendix but not everyone gets appendicitis
for example.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul McNoob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
>> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
>> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
>> what I can recall).
>>
>> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
>> doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>>
>> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
>> skin of the kernels.
>>
>> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
>> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
>> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.
>
> Ancient Chinese saying - "The stomach has no teeth"
>
> I have colon issues. Mine hates me and a few years back it tried to
> murder me. Seriously. So I know colon trouble. And yes, corn can really
> mess it up bad. If you do not chew it thoroughly it will cause a lot of
> distress. If you diverticulitis or any other inflammatory bowel disease
> you should avoid it. Same goes for nuts. A lot of people with IBD,
> irritable bowel disorder cannot tolerate either of them.
>
> Paul
>

IBD stands for inflammatory bowel disease, such as Crohn's disease or
colitis. Irritable bowel syndrome is IBS, an entirely different thing. IBD
and IBS are not related in any way.

Jinx

"Jinx Minx" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul McNoob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
>>> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
>>> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
>>> what I can recall).
>>>
>>> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
>>> doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>>>
>>> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
>>> skin of the kernels.
>>>
>>> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
>>> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
>>> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.
>>
>> Ancient Chinese saying - "The stomach has no teeth"
>>
>> I have colon issues. Mine hates me and a few years back it tried to
>> murder me. Seriously. So I know colon trouble. And yes, corn can
>> really mess it up bad. If you do not chew it thoroughly it will cause a
>> lot of distress. If you diverticulitis or any other inflammatory bowel
>> disease you should avoid it. Same goes for nuts. A lot of people with
>> IBD, irritable bowel disorder cannot tolerate either of them.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> IBD stands for inflammatory bowel disease, such as Crohn's disease or
> colitis. Irritable bowel syndrome is IBS, an entirely different thing.
> IBD and IBS are not related in any way.
>

Thought it was not my intention to imply they are, it is becoming more clear
that IBS can lead to IBD especially colitis and diverticulitis. It did in
my case after every doctor I saw said it never would. IBS was not even a
diagnosis until about 15 years ago. Before that they called it spastic
colon and wrote off the sufferers as emotional personalities.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Some nuts are difficult to digest just like the corn kernels.
>>> Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can cause problems,
>>> as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be avoided.
>>> What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
>>> intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and
>>> the area becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.
>>
>> It's also not true.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis#Controversy
>
> Take my word for it - it is true. Very true. I almost died from
> perforated diverticultis. There are spontaneous causes that doctors
> cannot explain, but there is little "controversy" amongst those who
> have dealt with it. I know of several sufferers and they all avoid
> seeds like poison because it leads to painful and debilitating
> flare-ups.
> Paul

It's definitely true. I was diagnosed with diverticulitis in the emergency
room this past Tuesday. It hadn't perforated, thankfully. I'm on 2 mega
antibiotics and a clear liquid diet until tomorrow, then soft foods for a
few days. And yes, I have to avoid seeds, things like corn [kernels] and
difficult to digest nuts. I also have to eat foods higher in fiber.

Jill

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote

>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Some nuts are difficult to digest just like the corn kernels.
>>> Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can cause problems,
>>> as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be avoided.
>>> What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
>>> intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and
>>> the area becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.
>>
>> It's also not true.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis#Controversy
>
> Take my word for it - it is true. Very true. I almost died from
> perforated diverticultis. There are spontaneous causes that doctors
> cannot explain, but there is little "controversy" amongst those who
> have dealt with it. I know of several sufferers and they all avoid
> seeds like poison because it leads to painful and debilitating
> flare-ups.

In my experience, let the doctors discuss the latest among
themselves, I'll believe the people who are living it.

nancy

Mark Thorson > wrote in news:4862B77E.BD771FC5
@sonic.net:

> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Some nuts are difficult to digest just like the corn kernels.
>> Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can cause problems,
>> as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be avoided.
>> What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
>> intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and
>> the area becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.
>
> It's also not true.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis#Controversy

If you dig into that little Wikipedia gem and actually go to the source
cited you will find this:

"One-half of those surveyed believed avoidance of
seeds and nuts were of no value. On the other hand,
adherence to a low residue diet was still favored by
the majority."

A "low residue" diet is one devoid of "rhougage" or difficult to digetst
material.

The persion who cited that source only cited 1/2 of the relavent info.
This is what makes Wikipedia so maddening sometimes. It's clear that the
surgeons in the study still favor avoidance of nuts & seeds.

Goomba wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Yep! I was never diagnosed with diverticulosis, just went straight
>> to diverticulitis on Tuesday LOL I don't really eat a lot of stuff
>> that could have caused this so I don't know why I'm one of the lucky
>> ones! But yes, high fiber: fresh fruits, green leafy vegetables,
>> high fiber breads and bran cereals are recommended.
>>
>> Jill
>
> All that means is your diverticulum are inflamed and infected. Clear
> that up and you won't have the inflammation (that "itis" part) and
> you'll have that diverticulosis diagnosis.
>
> See what happens when you don't eat your vegetables and salads? LOL


LOL I do eat lots of fibrous vegetables - spinach, turnip greens, brussels
sprouts, peas... they just have to be cooked I also love beans and
lentils which are excellent sources of fiber. I like bran cereal and bran
muffins, too. And whole grain breads. In fact, I eat these things
regularly so, again, I don't know how I got to be one of the "lucky ones"

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT), Paul McNoob
> wrote:

>Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
>they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
>Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
>what I can recall).
>
>Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
>doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>
>I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
>skin of the kernels.
>
>I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
>about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
>hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.

i think 'if not chewed properly' is the key phrase here.

your pal,
blake

"Chile Fiend" > wrote in message
0.253...
> Mark Thorson > wrote in news:4862B77E.BD771FC5
> @sonic.net:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Some nuts are difficult to digest just like the corn kernels.
>>> Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can cause problems,
>>> as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be avoided.
>>> What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
>>> intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and
>>> the area becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.
>>
>> It's also not true.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis#Controversy
>
> If you dig into that little Wikipedia gem and actually go to the source
> cited you will find this:
>
> "One-half of those surveyed believed avoidance of
> seeds and nuts were of no value. On the other hand,
> adherence to a low residue diet was still favored by
> the majority."
>
> A "low residue" diet is one devoid of "rhougage" or difficult to digetst
> material.
>
> The persion who cited that source only cited 1/2 of the relavent info.
> This is what makes Wikipedia so maddening sometimes. It's clear that the
> surgeons in the study still favor avoidance of nuts & seeds.

Wiki is a decent place to gather information. However it is often riddled
with inaccuracies or opinions masquerading as established fact. So always
take it with a grain of salt. Doctors are clueless as well. It seems they
never have health issues and trust what they read from textbooks and the
patient just knows nothing at all.

Paul

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Yep! I was never diagnosed with diverticulosis, just went straight
>>> to diverticulitis on Tuesday LOL I don't really eat a lot of stuff
>>> that could have caused this so I don't know why I'm one of the lucky
>>> ones! But yes, high fiber: fresh fruits, green leafy vegetables,
>>> high fiber breads and bran cereals are recommended.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> All that means is your diverticulum are inflamed and infected. Clear
>> that up and you won't have the inflammation (that "itis" part) and
>> you'll have that diverticulosis diagnosis.
>>
>> See what happens when you don't eat your vegetables and salads? LOL
>
>
> LOL I do eat lots of fibrous vegetables - spinach, turnip greens,
> brussels sprouts, peas... they just have to be cooked I also love
> beans and lentils which are excellent sources of fiber. I like bran
> cereal and bran muffins, too. And whole grain breads. In fact, I eat
> these things regularly so, again, I don't know how I got to be one of the
> "lucky ones"

Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's what
they will tell you anyway.

Paul

Paul M. Cook > wrote:

>Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's what
>they will tell you anyway.

When medical science doesn't understand what's happening you, it's
due to "stress".

S.

On 2008-06-26, Steve Pope > wrote:

> When medical science doesn't understand what's happening you, it's
> due to "stress".

The "certain nuts" are usually health food freaks.

nb

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:43:08 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some nuts are difficult to digest just like the corn kernels.
>>>> Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can cause problems,
>>>> as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be avoided.
>>>> What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
>>>> intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and
>>>> the area becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.
>>>
>>> It's also not true.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis#Controversy
>>
>> Take my word for it - it is true. Very true. I almost died from
>> perforated diverticultis. There are spontaneous causes that doctors
>> cannot explain, but there is little "controversy" amongst those who
>> have dealt with it. I know of several sufferers and they all avoid
>> seeds like poison because it leads to painful and debilitating
>> flare-ups.
>> Paul
The reason they say spontaneous causes is becuase people have not had
symptons. The diverticuli are very evident when you have an abdominal
CT. I had a CT 4 years ago that showed diverticulosis but no one said
anything about it since they were looking fora kidney stone (which
they found.) Had another CT in December and found no kidney stone but
gall stones. I showed my surgeon the earlier CT and he noticed the
diverticulosis immediately.

>
>It's definitely true. I was diagnosed with diverticulitis in the emergency
>room this past Tuesday. It hadn't perforated, thankfully. I'm on 2 mega
>antibiotics and a clear liquid diet until tomorrow, then soft foods for a
>few days. And yes, I have to avoid seeds, things like corn [kernels] and
>difficult to digest nuts. I also have to eat foods higher in fiber.
>
>Jill


When you get back to real food, eat slowly and chew throughly.

"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:43:08 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Some nuts are difficult to digest just like the corn kernels.
>>>>> Strawberries (due to the tiny seeds) can cause problems,
>>>>> as well; also things like poppy and rye seeds should be avoided.
>>>>> What happens is a small "pocket" forms in a portion of the lower
>>>>> intestine and particles of these undigestible foods collect and
>>>>> the area becomes irritated, then infected. It's no fun.
>>>>
>>>> It's also not true.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis#Controversy
>>>
>>> Take my word for it - it is true. Very true. I almost died from
>>> perforated diverticultis. There are spontaneous causes that doctors
>>> cannot explain, but there is little "controversy" amongst those who
>>> have dealt with it. I know of several sufferers and they all avoid
>>> seeds like poison because it leads to painful and debilitating
>>> flare-ups.
>>> Paul
> The reason they say spontaneous causes is becuase people have not had
> symptons. The diverticuli are very evident when you have an abdominal
> CT. I had a CT 4 years ago that showed diverticulosis but no one said
> anything about it since they were looking fora kidney stone (which
> they found.) Had another CT in December and found no kidney stone but
> gall stones. I showed my surgeon the earlier CT and he noticed the
> diverticulosis immediately.
>
>>
>>It's definitely true. I was diagnosed with diverticulitis in the
>>emergency
>>room this past Tuesday. It hadn't perforated, thankfully. I'm on 2 mega
>>antibiotics and a clear liquid diet until tomorrow, then soft foods for a
>>few days. And yes, I have to avoid seeds, things like corn [kernels] and
>>difficult to digest nuts. I also have to eat foods higher in fiber.
>>
>>Jill
>
>
> When you get back to real food, eat slowly and chew throughly.

Aloe vera juice is a wonderful colon aid. It helps a lot. Tropical fruits
are very good for the colon, mango and papaya being the best. Mangosteen
juice is awesome but really expensive. Plenty of soluble fiber in the form
of things like Metamucil is very beneficial - the chewable tablets are easy
enough to get down. Also, a good probiotic will help maintain colon health.
I do all of these, no one approach is a magic pill.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's what
> they will tell you anyway.
>
> Paul

I can truly say I've NEVER heard a doctor suggest such a thing to a
patient, nor is that what I was taught.

On Thu 26 Jun 2008 06:51:14a, jmcquown told us...

> Goomba wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Yep! I was never diagnosed with diverticulosis, just went straight
>>> to diverticulitis on Tuesday LOL I don't really eat a lot of stuff
>>> that could have caused this so I don't know why I'm one of the lucky
>>> ones! But yes, high fiber: fresh fruits, green leafy vegetables, high
>>> fiber breads and bran cereals are recommended.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> All that means is your diverticulum are inflamed and infected. Clear
>> that up and you won't have the inflammation (that "itis" part) and
>> you'll have that diverticulosis diagnosis.
>>
>> See what happens when you don't eat your vegetables and salads? LOL
>
>
> LOL I do eat lots of fibrous vegetables - spinach, turnip greens,
> brussels sprouts, peas... they just have to be cooked I also love
> beans and lentils which are excellent sources of fiber. I like bran
> cereal and bran muffins, too. And whole grain breads. In fact, I eat
> these things regularly so, again, I don't know how I got to be one of
> the "lucky ones"

I think it's because you don't eat desserts! :-)



--
Wayne Boatwright
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Thursday, 06(VI)/26(XXVI)/08(MMVIII)
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'Maybe we should just write Dear
Abby.' -- Yakko Warner
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 26 Jun 2008 06:51:14a, jmcquown told us...
>
>> Goomba wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> All that means is your diverticulum are inflamed and infected. Clear
>>> that up and you won't have the inflammation (that "itis" part) and
>>> you'll have that diverticulosis diagnosis.
>>>
>>> See what happens when you don't eat your vegetables and salads? LOL
>>
>>
>> LOL I do eat lots of fibrous vegetables - spinach, turnip greens,
>> brussels sprouts, peas... they just have to be cooked I also love
>> beans and lentils which are excellent sources of fiber. I like bran
>> cereal and bran muffins, too. And whole grain breads. In fact, I
>> eat these things regularly so, again, I don't know how I got to be
>> one of the "lucky ones"
>
> I think it's because you don't eat desserts! :-)


DING DING DING! That must be it, of course!

The Cook wrote:
>
> You sound like my cousin's wife. She never smoked or drank, never
> overweight, exercised, and no family history of cancer. She is now on
> her third session of chemo, this time for bone cancer. As she says,
> "Why ME?"


I want to know if she's wishing that she smoked, drank, stuffed herself,
and lazed around the house.


--Lia

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:51:14 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Goomba wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Yep! I was never diagnosed with diverticulosis, just went straight
>>> to diverticulitis on Tuesday LOL I don't really eat a lot of stuff
>>> that could have caused this so I don't know why I'm one of the lucky
>>> ones! But yes, high fiber: fresh fruits, green leafy vegetables,
>>> high fiber breads and bran cereals are recommended.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> All that means is your diverticulum are inflamed and infected. Clear
>> that up and you won't have the inflammation (that "itis" part) and
>> you'll have that diverticulosis diagnosis.
>>
>> See what happens when you don't eat your vegetables and salads? LOL
>
>
>LOL I do eat lots of fibrous vegetables - spinach, turnip greens, brussels
>sprouts, peas... they just have to be cooked I also love beans and
>lentils which are excellent sources of fiber. I like bran cereal and bran
>muffins, too. And whole grain breads. In fact, I eat these things
>regularly so, again, I don't know how I got to be one of the "lucky ones"

You sound like my cousin's wife. She never smoked or drank, never
overweight, exercised, and no family history of cancer. She is now on
her third session of chemo, this time for bone cancer. As she says,
"Why ME?"

The Cook wrote:
>
> Don't think it is in her to do any of those things. If it were she
> would not be going at the rate she is now. BTW she is about 70.


If, in some science fiction scenario, it were announced tomorrow that
smoking ISN'T bad for you, I still wouldn't want to smoke. Cigarettes
would still be stinky, nasty, and I can't imagine wanting to put smoke
in my lungs. I'd still want to eat most vegetables. I would, however,
stop exercising immediately if it were announced tomorrow that it's not
good for me, and I might be convinced to eat more dessert if keeping my
weight down no longer mattered.


--Lia

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:22:10 -0400, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

>The Cook wrote:
>>
>> You sound like my cousin's wife. She never smoked or drank, never
>> overweight, exercised, and no family history of cancer. She is now on
>> her third session of chemo, this time for bone cancer. As she says,
>> "Why ME?"
>
>
>I want to know if she's wishing that she smoked, drank, stuffed herself,
>and lazed around the house.
>
>
>--Lia

Don't think it is in her to do any of those things. If it were she
would not be going at the rate she is now. BTW she is about 70.

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's what
>> they will tell you anyway.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I can truly say I've NEVER heard a doctor suggest such a thing to a
> patient, nor is that what I was taught.

You can tell it to the doctor that cut out my sigmoid, you can tell it to my
endocrinologist who is also a GP and you can tell it to my family medicine
doc.

Paul

On Thu 26 Jun 2008 07:04:40p, Paul M. Cook told us...

>
> "Goomba" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's
>>> what they will tell you anyway.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I can truly say I've NEVER heard a doctor suggest such a thing to a
>> patient, nor is that what I was taught.
>
> You can tell it to the doctor that cut out my sigmoid, you can tell it
> to my endocrinologist who is also a GP and you can tell it to my family
> medicine doc.
>
> Paul

They did this as a treatment for your diverticulitis?



--
Wayne Boatwright
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Thursday, 06(VI)/26(XXVI)/08(MMVIII)
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The death of God left the angels in a
strange position.
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Goomba" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's what
>>> they will tell you anyway.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I can truly say I've NEVER heard a doctor suggest such a thing to a
>> patient, nor is that what I was taught.
>
> You can tell it to the doctor that cut out my sigmoid, you can tell it to
> my endocrinologist who is also a GP and you can tell it to my family
> medicine doc.
>

Give it up Paul. "Goomba" knows *everything.*

"Paul McNoob" > wrote in message
...
> Years ago I knew someone who had colon issues, and their doctor said
> they needed to cut back on the amount of corn and nuts they ate.
> Otherwise they might have to have some of their colon removed (from
> what I can recall).
>
> Is this true? And if so, is it strictly a matter of moderation - or it
> doesn't matter how little you eat, it's bad for your colon, period.
>
> I know that the intestines have trouble with that almost translucent
> skin of the kernels.
>
> I didn't know that nuts could be "harmful" if at all? Though I know
> about peanuts often not being completely broken down, so that must be
> hard on the intestines too if not completely chewed properly.

Paul,
Its possible this person had Crones disease. It's not very widely understood
and there is no cure for it so the methodology for dealing with it is almost
seasonal. For decades doctors would tell patients that they should not each
corn, whole grains and nuts as they would irritate the condition. Since then
it has been identified as an autoimmune disease and the rational has swung
back to 'its not the food making you sick so eat anything that doesn't make
you feel I'll.

My mother had it and it was the cause of her death a few years ago. My
step-daughter has it but her last surgery seems to have kept it at bay for
few years. She can pretty much eat anything she wants these days.

Jon

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
6.120...
> On Thu 26 Jun 2008 07:04:40p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>>
>> "Goomba" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's
>>>> what they will tell you anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> I can truly say I've NEVER heard a doctor suggest such a thing to a
>>> patient, nor is that what I was taught.
>>
>> You can tell it to the doctor that cut out my sigmoid, you can tell it
>> to my endocrinologist who is also a GP and you can tell it to my family
>> medicine doc.
>>
>> Paul
>
> They did this as a treatment for your diverticulitis?

When asked how I almost died from it and what I did to bring it on, yes.
And you'll find it in a great many inline resources too.

Paul

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Goomba" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's
>>>> what they will tell you anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> I can truly say I've NEVER heard a doctor suggest such a thing to a
>>> patient, nor is that what I was taught.
>>
>> You can tell it to the doctor that cut out my sigmoid, you can tell it to
>> my endocrinologist who is also a GP and you can tell it to my family
>> medicine doc.
>>
>
> Give it up Paul. "Goomba" knows *everything.*
>

Well doctors think they do, but in this case I tend not to agree with them.
They blamed peptic ulcers on stress for decades until it was discovered to
be caused by a bacterium.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Goomba" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stress. Diverticulitis is considered to be stress related. That's
>>>>> what they will tell you anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> I can truly say I've NEVER heard a doctor suggest such a thing to a
>>>> patient, nor is that what I was taught.
>>>
>>> You can tell it to the doctor that cut out my sigmoid, you can tell it
>>> to my endocrinologist who is also a GP and you can tell it to my family
>>> medicine doc.
>>>
>>
>> Give it up Paul. "Goomba" knows *everything.*
>>
>
> Well doctors think they do, but in this case I tend not to agree with
> them. They blamed peptic ulcers on stress for decades until it was
> discovered to be caused by a bacterium.
>

True. Goomba is a nurse, though. Nurses usually think that they know *even
more* than doctors.