Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

>I use a 500GB external Fantom drive.
>
>I back up my Home folder nightly and then about once a month throw out
>the old backups and start over so the drive doesn't fill up. I back up
>some other stuff once a week. All of these backups happen in the wee
>hours of the morning.

So you never keep backups older than a month?

I like to keep some tiny fraction of the backups indefinitely.
Like, say a yearly backup forever. This is just my own
oddity though.

Steve

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:10:12 -0600, Arri London >
wrote:


>That PC place on Juan Tabo, across from the post office, will also give
>it a go but they aren't cheap.

My housesitter Megan also told me about a place, that she says will do
it for a decent price. I am going to take it there.

Christine, cooking fried chicken right now

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:01:35 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
> >I'm so sorry. If it helps, when my hard drive died 2 years ago, the
> >Geeks at Best Buy were a lot cheaper than other places to retrieve
> >stuff. They managed to get most of my pictures, files and recipes. It
> >did take quite a few hours.
>
> Thanks. I might take it there, to see what I can retrieve
>
> >
> >I use MasterCook 7 and I do a backup of recipes and the files I save
> >from Usenet and other places every week onto a separate hard drive. Then
> >every couple of months I burn those files to a CD.
>
> Speaking of Mastercook...does anyone know what version will work with
> Vista?
>
> I am NOT happy that I have Vista here....LOL
>
> >
> >I don't know what I'd do if I lost my recipes. Probably Google a
> >margarita recipe and drink a lot. <g>
>
> I hit up the wine last night...LOL
>
> Christine


That PC place on Juan Tabo, across from the post office, will also give
it a go but they aren't cheap.

On Jun 28, 2:57*am, Christine > wrote:
> Heya folks,
>
> I did it again. *And I was just getting ready to back everything
> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. *But not soon enough, it
> seems. *My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die. *
>
> So..I lost all recipes. * I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
> would love to see them again. *I can't even begin to remember which
> ones I had in my files.
>
> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>
>
> Christine

After that happened to me a second time, I created a googlegroup and
sent all the recipes I had and could find, and now new ones, to the
group. It's my own personal group, I'm the only member, and I can
access the recipes whenever I want to, plus it's moderately
searchable. And it's good until google goes broke.

maxine in ri

On Jun 28, 6:50*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Christine wrote:
> > Heya folks,
>
> > I did it again. *And I was just getting ready to back everything
> > up...I even got a new backup hard drive. *But not soon enough, it
> > seems. *My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>
> > So..I lost all recipes. * I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
> > years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
> > would love to see them again. *I can't even begin to remember which
> > ones I had in my files.
>
> > I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
> >
>
> > Christine
>
> I'm very sorry to hear this! *However, there's no way I (and probably many
> others) can remember all the recipes posted in the past year, either. *While
> I love my computer, this is why I always write down recipes I've acquired,
> whether I've tried them or just want to try them. *Index cards are your
> friend
>
googlegroups has it's uses. Scroll through their archive. Most of
the recipes posted are not labeled "X-noarchive"

maxine in ri

Janet Wilder wrote:
> Serene Vannoy wrote:

>> If anyone wants my copy of MasterCook 9 (and I think I also have
>> version 7), drop me an email with your snailmail address and I'll send
>> it to the first person who asks for it.
>>
>> Serene
>
> Oh Serene, keep it. just disable the administrator thingie like they
> tell you to in the Yahoo group.

As I said, I'm using Linux now (Ubuntu), so it's moot.

>
> Janet, who can't find anything to replace Master Cook.

I'll write something. :-)

Serene
--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

PeterLucas > wrote in
.25:

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
> 6.120:
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a duplicate internal hard drive in my PC. Once a month I use
> a
>>>> program to "clone" an exact copy of my primary drive. This makes
> them
>>>> completely swappable, and I'm back in business in 5 minutes if the
>>>> primary drive crashes. I've lost nothing except what I might have
>>>> done in that month. If I'm doing more critical things, I run the
>>>> program to clone the drive more often.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which program is that, Wayne?
>>
>> It's Seagate DiskWizard, downloadable from the Seagate/Maxtor website.
>>
>
>
> Thanks for that Wayne. Started to look up a few things about it and saw
> another recommended program, called Acronis TrueImage, so started to
> download that as well. *Then* I read in a forum that Acronis is actually
> a copy of Disk Wizard!!
>
> http://keznews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=70498
>
>
> So now I'll have to check if my HDD, and portable HDD, are compatable
> units to use the Disk Wizard.
>
>


Bugger :-(

Can't use Disk Wizard.

"To use the product, at least one Seagate or Maxtor device should be
installed in your system.You can purchase an upgrade to Acronis True Image
Home edition by visiting www.acronis.com/seagate or by clicking on the
Powered by Acronis logos that appear in the task wizards of the Windows
application."

Seems I don't have any S or M devices on my computer (don't know what the
hell sort it is!!) and external HDD (a Samsung).
So now, will have to try Acronis, but it's only a 15 day free trial.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

On Sat 28 Jun 2008 09:17:21p, PeterLucas told us...

> PeterLucas > wrote in
> .25:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
>> 6.120:
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a duplicate internal hard drive in my PC. Once a month I use
>>>>> a program to "clone" an exact copy of my primary drive. This makes
>>>>> them completely swappable, and I'm back in business in 5 minutes if
>>>>> the primary drive crashes. I've lost nothing except what I might
have
>>>>> done in that month. If I'm doing more critical things, I run the
>>>>> program to clone the drive more often.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which program is that, Wayne?
>>>
>>> It's Seagate DiskWizard, downloadable from the Seagate/Maxtor website.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for that Wayne. Started to look up a few things about it and saw
>> another recommended program, called Acronis TrueImage, so started to
>> download that as well. *Then* I read in a forum that Acronis is actually
>> a copy of Disk Wizard!!
>>
>> http://keznews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=70498
>>
>>
>> So now I'll have to check if my HDD, and portable HDD, are compatable
>> units to use the Disk Wizard.
>>
>>
>
>
> Bugger :-(
>
> Can't use Disk Wizard.
>
> "To use the product, at least one Seagate or Maxtor device should be
> installed in your system.You can purchase an upgrade to Acronis True
Image
> Home edition by visiting www.acronis.com/seagate or by clicking on the
> Powered by Acronis logos that appear in the task wizards of the Windows
> application."
>
> Seems I don't have any S or M devices on my computer (don't know what the
> hell sort it is!!) and external HDD (a Samsung).
> So now, will have to try Acronis, but it's only a 15 day free trial.
>

Bummer! I guess without thinking about it, there was always either a
Seagate or Maxtor involved in the PCs I used it on.

Sorry...

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Saturday, 06(VI)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------
Don't be a sexist, broads hate that.
-------------------------------------------

Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
6.120:


>> Bugger :-(
>>
>> Can't use Disk Wizard.
>>
>> "To use the product, at least one Seagate or Maxtor device should be
>> installed in your system.You can purchase an upgrade to Acronis True
> Image
>> Home edition by visiting www.acronis.com/seagate or by clicking on
>> the Powered by Acronis logos that appear in the task wizards of the
>> Windows application."
>>
>> Seems I don't have any S or M devices on my computer (don't know what
>> the hell sort it is!!) and external HDD (a Samsung).
>> So now, will have to try Acronis, but it's only a 15 day free trial.
>>
>
> Bummer! I guess without thinking about it, there was always either a
> Seagate or Maxtor involved in the PCs I used it on.
>
> Sorry...
>


Nahhh, no sweat.

At least it's made me start looking at 'cloning' or 'ghosting'.

Up till now I've just been backing up selected folders etc. I'd like to
be able to do the whole damn thing at the touch of a button, so I'll be
looking further into this :-)



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

On Sat 28 Jun 2008 10:21:23p, PeterLucas told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
> 6.120:
>
>
>>> Bugger :-(
>>>
>>> Can't use Disk Wizard.
>>>
>>> "To use the product, at least one Seagate or Maxtor device should be
>>> installed in your system.You can purchase an upgrade to Acronis True
>>> Image Home edition by visiting www.acronis.com/seagate or by clicking
>>> on the Powered by Acronis logos that appear in the task wizards of
>>> the Windows application."
>>>
>>> Seems I don't have any S or M devices on my computer (don't know what
>>> the hell sort it is!!) and external HDD (a Samsung).
>>> So now, will have to try Acronis, but it's only a 15 day free trial.
>>>
>>
>> Bummer! I guess without thinking about it, there was always either a
>> Seagate or Maxtor involved in the PCs I used it on.
>>
>> Sorry...
>>
>
>
> Nahhh, no sweat.
>
> At least it's made me start looking at 'cloning' or 'ghosting'.
>
> Up till now I've just been backing up selected folders etc. I'd like to
> be able to do the whole damn thing at the touch of a button, so I'll be
> looking further into this :-)

Maxtor makes a "one-touch" external backup drive in 300GB and 500GM
capacities, and larger I believe. It comes with the requisite software,
and runs $100 plus for the 300GB model.


--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Saturday, 06(VI)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------
If at first you don't succeed, destroy
all evidence that you tried.
-------------------------------------------

Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
6.120:


>
> Maxtor makes a "one-touch" external backup drive in 300GB and 500GM
> capacities, and larger I believe. It comes with the requisite software,
> and runs $100 plus for the 300GB model.
>
>


I've already got a Samsung 300GB external HD. Used space of 105GB on the
external, and a 300GB internal on the computer that only has 57.7GB used.


I just downloaded 343mb of pic's off my camera onto the external, to clean
the camera out before we go off on holidays.

1,218 photos, going back to 1st July last year!!


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:59:18 -0700, Serene Vannoy wrote:

> Janet Wilder wrote:
>> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
>>> If anyone wants my copy of MasterCook 9 (and I think I also have
>>> version 7), drop me an email with your snailmail address and I'll send
>>> it to the first person who asks for it.
>>>
>>> Serene
>>
>> Oh Serene, keep it. just disable the administrator thingie like they
>> tell you to in the Yahoo group.
>
> As I said, I'm using Linux now (Ubuntu), so it's moot.

Serene,

For Ubuntu I would recommend Gourmet Recipe Manager - it has all the
functionality I need (shopping lists, nice search functions etc.) - and
it's very simple to use, IMHO. You can import MC and MM recipes too. It
can be installed via the "Synaptic Package Manager" (if you're using the
GNOME desktop) on your PC so why not try it out?

Bit of info on it he

http://grecipe-manager.sourceforge.net/

If you prefer KDE software there is Krecipes, which I found was not too
bad either...

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Jun 28, 2:57 am, Christine > wrote:
>> Heya folks,
>>
>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>
>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>> ones I had in my files.
>>
>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>
>>
>> Christine
>
> After that happened to me a second time, I created a googlegroup and
> sent all the recipes I had and could find, and now new ones, to the
> group. It's my own personal group, I'm the only member, and I can
> access the recipes whenever I want to, plus it's moderately
> searchable. And it's good until google goes broke.
>
> maxine in ri

What an interesting approach. I gather it's easy to set up such a
group? I guess it is too much to hope one could somehow send a
huge file all at once....

--
Jean B.

On Sun 29 Jun 2008 05:35:12a, Jean B. told us...

> maxine in ri wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 2:57 am, Christine > wrote:
>>> Heya folks,
>>>
>>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>>
>>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>>> ones I had in my files.
>>>
>>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>>
>>>
>>> Christine
>>
>> After that happened to me a second time, I created a googlegroup and
>> sent all the recipes I had and could find, and now new ones, to the
>> group. It's my own personal group, I'm the only member, and I can
>> access the recipes whenever I want to, plus it's moderately
>> searchable. And it's good until google goes broke.
>>
>> maxine in ri
>
> What an interesting approach. I gather it's easy to set up such a
> group? I guess it is too much to hope one could somehow send a
> huge file all at once....

I'm not sure Jean. I know they're not directly related, but I tried to
send Christine a 10MB file of recipes using my Gmail account and it was
rejected for exceeding their attachment size limit. Google Groups may be
different, since many people use their groups to store pictures that can be
quite large.

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Sunday, 06(VI)/29(XXIX)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------
If at first you don't succeed,
redefine success.
-------------------------------------------

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 29 Jun 2008 05:35:12a, Jean B. told us...
>
>> maxine in ri wrote:
>>> On Jun 28, 2:57 am, Christine > wrote:
>>>> Heya folks,
>>>>
>>>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>>>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>>>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>>>
>>>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>>>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>>>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>>>> ones I had in my files.
>>>>
>>>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christine
>>> After that happened to me a second time, I created a googlegroup and
>>> sent all the recipes I had and could find, and now new ones, to the
>>> group. It's my own personal group, I'm the only member, and I can
>>> access the recipes whenever I want to, plus it's moderately
>>> searchable. And it's good until google goes broke.
>>>
>>> maxine in ri
>> What an interesting approach. I gather it's easy to set up such a
>> group? I guess it is too much to hope one could somehow send a
>> huge file all at once....
>
> I'm not sure Jean. I know they're not directly related, but I tried to
> send Christine a 10MB file of recipes using my Gmail account and it was
> rejected for exceeding their attachment size limit. Google Groups may be
> different, since many people use their groups to store pictures that can be
> quite large.
>
I didn't really think I could do that--but it would be lovely if
possible. I will contemplate that approach. I am also thinking
of making a web page--as IF I need to spend even more time on the
computer.

--
Jean B.

In article >, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>Christine wrote:
>> Heya folks,
>>
>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>
>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>> ones I had in my files.
>>
>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>
>
>I'm very sorry to hear this! However, there's no way I (and probably many
>others) can remember all the recipes posted in the past year, either. While
>I love my computer, this is why I always write down recipes I've acquired,
>whether I've tried them or just want to try them. Index cards are your
>friend

So's a backup CDR and/or USB thumb drive. I just can't imagine that
there are people out there who don't keep a back up of all files they
would hate to lose! It's such a trivial job it should be done daily.

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> >I use a 500GB external Fantom drive.
> >
> >I back up my Home folder nightly and then about once a month throw out
> >the old backups and start over so the drive doesn't fill up. I back up
> >some other stuff once a week. All of these backups happen in the wee
> >hours of the morning.
>
> So you never keep backups older than a month?
> Steve

That's pretty much right. I've never seen a need. In my brain it's
sorted out that if I crash, I'd want to be back to where I was just
before the crash. I do a full backup, then incrementals nightly until
I decide I should clear some space on the drive. Then I trash all but
the last full back up and the incrementals that followed it. I do some
folders weekly instead of nightly.





--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Huffy and Bubbles Do France: http://www.jamlady.eboard.com

In article >,
(Phred) wrote:

> So's a backup CDR and/or USB thumb drive. I just can't imagine that
> there are people out there who don't keep a back up of all files they
> would hate to lose! It's such a trivial job it should be done daily.
>
> Cheers, Phred.

We who do are in the vast minority, Phred. I take pretty good care of
my system and my Apple guys are always impressed as heck when we get
talking about something I have a question about and the subject of
backing up comes up.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Huffy and Bubbles Do France: http://www.jamlady.eboard.com

Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>> >I back up my Home folder nightly and then about once a month throw out
>> >the old backups and start over so the drive doesn't fill up. I back up
>> >some other stuff once a week. All of these backups happen in the wee
>> >hours of the morning.

>> So you never keep backups older than a month?
>
>That's pretty much right. I've never seen a need. In my brain it's
>sorted out that if I crash, I'd want to be back to where I was just
>before the crash. I do a full backup, then incrementals nightly until
>I decide I should clear some space on the drive. Then I trash all but
>the last full back up and the incrementals that followed it. I do some
>folders weekly instead of nightly.

I could envision a scenario where I inadvertently delete something
and don't notice I did so for six months. In fact this has happened.
Whereas I've never had a disk crash.

So deep backups are useful to me (er... or would be useful if
I actually did them more).

Steve

Christine wrote:
> Heya folks,
>
> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>
> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
> ones I had in my files.
>
> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>
>
> Christine

You should try google docs and keep stuff like this online and you can
access it from anywhere.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT), metspitzer
> wrote:

>You should try google docs and keep stuff like this online and you can
>access it from anywhere.

Hmmm. I think you just came up with the perfect reason to use google
docs - an online, personal recipe box!


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> Bummer!
>
> Hasn't done a backup in years? This is unplanned
> but predictable result.
>
>> Do a Google advanced group search for the names
>> of the people you think have expertise.
>
> With RECIPE in the subject line.

Or Cook-in.

Some great recipes were posted under the cool-in heading.


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

On Jun 28, 3:57�am, Christine > wrote:
> Heya folks,
>
> I did it again. �And I was just getting ready to back everything
> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. �But not soon enough, it
> seems. �My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die. �
>
> So..I lost all recipes. � I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
> years now.

But why... is this recipe saving some sort of fetish... you certainly
can't possibly need to refer to more than a couple dozen recipes in
your lifetime... no one needs a recipe for stews, soups, salads,
caseroles, sandwiches, egg dishes, meat dishes, vegetable dishes...
unless you're canning/preserving, making sausage, confections, and
certain baked goods where ratios are important no one who can cook
even a little bit needs a recipe after the first undertaking.

ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:59:18 -0700, Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>>> If anyone wants my copy of MasterCook 9 (and I think I also have
>>>> version 7), drop me an email with your snailmail address and I'll send
>>>> it to the first person who asks for it.
>>>>
>>>> Serene
>>> Oh Serene, keep it. just disable the administrator thingie like they
>>> tell you to in the Yahoo group.
>> As I said, I'm using Linux now (Ubuntu), so it's moot.
>
> Serene,
>
> For Ubuntu I would recommend Gourmet Recipe Manager - it has all the
> functionality I need (shopping lists, nice search functions etc.) - and
> it's very simple to use, IMHO. You can import MC and MM recipes too. It
> can be installed via the "Synaptic Package Manager" (if you're using the
> GNOME desktop) on your PC so why not try it out?

Oh, thank you! I will definitely try it.

Serene
--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:59:18 -0700, Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>>> If anyone wants my copy of MasterCook 9 (and I think I also have
>>>> version 7), drop me an email with your snailmail address and I'll send
>>>> it to the first person who asks for it.
>>>>
>>>> Serene
>>> Oh Serene, keep it. just disable the administrator thingie like they
>>> tell you to in the Yahoo group.
>> As I said, I'm using Linux now (Ubuntu), so it's moot.
>
> Serene,
>
> For Ubuntu I would recommend Gourmet Recipe Manager - it has all the
> functionality I need (shopping lists, nice search functions etc.) - and
> it's very simple to use, IMHO. You can import MC and MM recipes too. It
> can be installed via the "Synaptic Package Manager" (if you're using the
> GNOME desktop) on your PC so why not try it out?

I'm a total newbie to linux and having trouble figuring out how to
install this. If you're willing to help out, could you drop me an email,
please? My posting address is the right one.

Thanks!

Serene
--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:30:00 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Kswck wrote:
>
>> I back it all up, along with other necessary stuff on the first of the
>> month-every month w/o fail-stock transactions, cooking database, bookmarks,
>> etc.
>> Might want to get in the habit.
>>
>>
>You back it up on to what?
>I've taken to keeping back ups on little thumb drives. Handy and cheap
>(I have rec'd a number of them free)
>I haven't decided what the perfect back up medium is because I hear CDs
>won't last forever, the thumb drive can be too small or lost. I used to
>use online back up services but stopped when I discovered thumb drives.
>Anything to save a buck, eh? Yet online back up saved me MANY times
>with financial records. I've stopped using Quicken and just use my banks
>websites directly.

How do you get them free? I sure do like that price.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:04:25 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>On Jun 28, 3:57?am, Christine > wrote:
>> Heya folks,
>>
>> I did it again. ?And I was just getting ready to back everything
>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. ?But not soon enough, it
>> seems. ?My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die. ?
>>
>> So..I lost all recipes. ? I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>> years now.
>
>But why... is this recipe saving some sort of fetish... you certainly
>can't possibly need to refer to more than a couple dozen recipes in
>your lifetime... no one needs a recipe for stews, soups, salads,
>caseroles, sandwiches, egg dishes, meat dishes, vegetable dishes...
>unless you're canning/preserving, making sausage, confections, and
>certain baked goods where ratios are important no one who can cook
>even a little bit needs a recipe after the first undertaking.

It is about collecting data. Many of us collect more than we could
possibly use in a lifetime.

On Jun 29, 3:22�pm, metspitzer > wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:04:25 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 28, 3:57?am, Christine > wrote:
> >> Heya folks,
>
> >> I did it again. ?And I was just getting ready to back everything
> >> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. ?But not soon enough, it
> >> seems. ?My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die. ?
>
> >> So..I lost all recipes. ? I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
> >> years now.
>
> >But why... is this recipe saving some sort of fetish... you certainly
> >can't possibly need to refer to more than a couple dozen recipes in
> >your lifetime... no one needs a recipe for stews, soups, salads,
> >caseroles, sandwiches, egg dishes, meat dishes, vegetable dishes...
> >unless you're canning/preserving, making sausage, confections, and
> >certain baked goods where ratios are important no one who can cook
> >even a little bit needs a recipe after the first undertaking.
>
> It is about collecting data. �Many of us collect more than we could
> possibly use in a lifetime.

That's what I thought, it's strictly a fetish.

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > (Steve Pope) wrote:

> >> So you never keep backups older than a month?
> >
> >That's pretty much right. I've never seen a need. In my brain it's
> >sorted out that if I crash, I'd want to be back to where I was just
> >before the crash. I do a full backup, then incrementals nightly until
> >I decide I should clear some space on the drive. Then I trash all but
> >the last full back up and the incrementals that followed it. I do some
> >folders weekly instead of nightly.
>
> I could envision a scenario where I inadvertently delete something
> and don't notice I did so for six months.
> Steve

Now I'd put that in the category of "if you haven't worn it this season,
you don't need it." '-)

I had my Entourage (MS mail client for Mac) database crash once. It was
one way to clear out my mailbox (I save way too much). A year and a
half later I was looking for something I KNEW I'd received by mail and
knew I wouldn't have trashed. I finally figured out that it was lost in
the crash. The earth kept spinning.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Huffy and Bubbles Do France: http://www.jamlady.eboard.com

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:20:56 -0700 (PDT), maxine in ri
> wrote:

>Most of
>the recipes posted are not labeled "X-noarchive"

but so many are buried in a thread of a different name.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

metspitzer wrote:
> Christine wrote:
>> Heya folks,
>>
>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>
>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>> ones I had in my files.
>>
>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>
>>
>> Christine
>
> You should try google docs and keep stuff like this online and you can
> access it from anywhere.

Ah. This might be an even better idea for my recipes etc.
Probably nothing one would not want made public though, I guess.

--
Jean B.

Sheldon wrote:
> On Jun 28, 3:57�am, Christine > wrote:
>> Heya folks,
>>
>> I did it again. �And I was just getting ready to back everything
>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. �But not soon enough, it
>> seems. �My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die. �
>>
>> So..I lost all recipes. � I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>> years now.
>
> But why... is this recipe saving some sort of fetish... you certainly
> can't possibly need to refer to more than a couple dozen recipes in
> your lifetime... no one needs a recipe for stews, soups, salads,
> caseroles, sandwiches, egg dishes, meat dishes, vegetable dishes...
> unless you're canning/preserving, making sausage, confections, and
> certain baked goods where ratios are important no one who can cook
> even a little bit needs a recipe after the first undertaking.

Some might be heirloom recipes--or recipes destined for one's
progeny. But yes, one could say I'm obsessed. :-)

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> metspitzer wrote:
>> Christine wrote:
>>> Heya folks,
>>>
>>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>>
>>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>>> ones I had in my files.
>>>
>>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>>
>>>
>>> Christine
>>
>> You should try google docs and keep stuff like this online and you can
>> access it from anywhere.
>
> Ah. This might be an even better idea for my recipes etc. Probably
> nothing one would not want made public though, I guess.
>

I keep my non-public documents in a password-protected folder on my own
domain, and back my domain up regularly. (Of course, anything I would be
horrified to have out there in the world, I don't put on the web at all,
password or not.)

Serene

--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

Serene Vannoy wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> metspitzer wrote:
>>> Christine wrote:
>>>> Heya folks,
>>>>
>>>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>>>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>>>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>>>
>>>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>>>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>>>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>>>> ones I had in my files.
>>>>
>>>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christine
>>>
>>> You should try google docs and keep stuff like this online and you can
>>> access it from anywhere.
>>
>> Ah. This might be an even better idea for my recipes etc. Probably
>> nothing one would not want made public though, I guess.
>>
>
> I keep my non-public documents in a password-protected folder on my own
> domain, and back my domain up regularly. (Of course, anything I would be
> horrified to have out there in the world, I don't put on the web at all,
> password or not.)
>
> Serene
>
Yes, there are different levels of privacy required.... I don't
have a domain.

--
Jean B.

metspitzer wrote:

>> I've taken to keeping back ups on little thumb drives. Handy and cheap
>> (I have rec'd a number of them free)
>> I haven't decided what the perfect back up medium is because I hear CDs
>> won't last forever, the thumb drive can be too small or lost. I used to
>> use online back up services but stopped when I discovered thumb drives.
>> Anything to save a buck, eh? Yet online back up saved me MANY times
>> with financial records. I've stopped using Quicken and just use my banks
>> websites directly.
>
> How do you get them free? I sure do like that price.
>
It is a popular give-away at some conferences I attend. And a generous
friend.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:34:01 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Serene Vannoy wrote:
>> Jean B. wrote:
>>> metspitzer wrote:
>>>> Christine wrote:
>>>>> Heya folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>>>>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>>>>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>>>>
>>>>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>>>>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>>>>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>>>>> ones I had in my files.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christine
>>>>
>>>> You should try google docs and keep stuff like this online and you can
>>>> access it from anywhere.
>>>
>>> Ah. This might be an even better idea for my recipes etc. Probably
>>> nothing one would not want made public though, I guess.
>>>
>>
>> I keep my non-public documents in a password-protected folder on my own
>> domain, and back my domain up regularly. (Of course, anything I would be
>> horrified to have out there in the world, I don't put on the web at all,
>> password or not.)
>>
>> Serene
>>
>Yes, there are different levels of privacy required.... I don't
>have a domain.

Another option for storing general stuff and not CIA stuff is to use
Xdrive.

You get 5G of online drive space.

http://www.xdrive.com/

On Sun 29 Jun 2008 03:27:28p, sf told us...

> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:20:56 -0700 (PDT), maxine in ri
> > wrote:
>
>>Most of
>>the recipes posted are not labeled "X-noarchive"
>
> but so many are buried in a thread of a different name.

I save virtually every post that contains a recipe I have interest in, and
the title of the post often does not contain the name of the recipe it
contains. Luckily, with Windows Explorer, you can search files for content
within the file rather than just the file name. Of course, this is of no
benefit if you don't have the file.

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Sunday, 06(VI)/29(XXIX)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
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Well! I've often seen a cat without a
grin, but a grin without a cat!
(Alice in Wonderland)
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On Sun 29 Jun 2008 03:45:05p, Jean B. told us...

> Sheldon wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 3:57�am, Christine > wrote:
>>> Heya folks,
>>>
>>> I did it again. �And I was just getting ready to back everything
>>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. �But not soon enough, it
>>> seems. �My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die. �
>>>
>>> So..I lost all recipes. � I have been saving tons of them from rfc
>>> for years now.
>>
>> But why... is this recipe saving some sort of fetish... you certainly
>> can't possibly need to refer to more than a couple dozen recipes in
>> your lifetime... no one needs a recipe for stews, soups, salads,
>> caseroles, sandwiches, egg dishes, meat dishes, vegetable dishes...
>> unless you're canning/preserving, making sausage, confections, and
>> certain baked goods where ratios are important no one who can cook even
>> a little bit needs a recipe after the first undertaking.

I can certainly cook without recipes and probably do that most of the time.
However, if I want to precisely duplicate a particular dish that was either
from a written recipe or one that I devised on my own, I want it stored as
created. May recipes in my cookbooks have my notations written to indicate
what I did differently.

> Some might be heirloom recipes--or recipes destined for one's
> progeny. But yes, one could say I'm obsessed. :-)

Absolute agree.

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Sunday, 06(VI)/29(XXIX)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
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Windows error 000 : No errors found!
[CLOSE]
-------------------------------------------

Goomba wrote:
> metspitzer wrote:
>
>>> I've taken to keeping back ups on little thumb drives. Handy and
>>> cheap (I have rec'd a number of them free)
>>> I haven't decided what the perfect back up medium is because I hear
>>> CDs won't last forever, the thumb drive can be too small or lost. I
>>> used to use online back up services but stopped when I discovered
>>> thumb drives. Anything to save a buck, eh? Yet online back up saved
>>> me MANY times with financial records. I've stopped using Quicken and
>>> just use my banks websites directly.
>>
>> How do you get them free? I sure do like that price.
>>
> It is a popular give-away at some conferences I attend. And a generous
> friend.


You can also use that almost-useless 16MB memory card that came with
your digital camera. Copy all your recipe files (tax files, etc) to the
memory card, set the write protect switch, and put it in your underwear
drawer or safe deposit box.

I almost forgot, put it in an envelope and write on that what's stored
on the card.

Bob

metspitzer wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:34:01 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>> Jean B. wrote:
>>>> metspitzer wrote:
>>>>> Christine wrote:
>>>>>> Heya folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did it again. And I was just getting ready to back everything
>>>>>> up...I even got a new backup hard drive. But not soon enough, it
>>>>>> seems. My hard drive, or something caused my laptop to die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So..I lost all recipes. I have been saving tons of them from rfc for
>>>>>> years now..and if you have posted recipes in the past year or so...I
>>>>>> would love to see them again. I can't even begin to remember which
>>>>>> ones I had in my files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am hoping to retrieve some of these files...but in the meantime...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christine
>>>>> You should try google docs and keep stuff like this online and you can
>>>>> access it from anywhere.
>>>> Ah. This might be an even better idea for my recipes etc. Probably
>>>> nothing one would not want made public though, I guess.
>>>>
>>> I keep my non-public documents in a password-protected folder on my own
>>> domain, and back my domain up regularly. (Of course, anything I would be
>>> horrified to have out there in the world, I don't put on the web at all,
>>> password or not.)
>>>
>>> Serene
>>>
>> Yes, there are different levels of privacy required.... I don't
>> have a domain.
>
> Another option for storing general stuff and not CIA stuff is to use
> Xdrive.
>
> You get 5G of online drive space.
>
> http://www.xdrive.com/

I put 4 file onto Google documents as a result of this thread.
I'm going to try playing around with some other ones a bit before
I decide how many to put on. One would think it's pretty stable
though--and one can control whom the file is shared with. I do
need to make sure these things don't come up in a search though.

--
Jean B.