"Nancy Young" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>
> "Julia Altshuler" > wrote
>>I agree with the others who said that mozzarella is the correct cheese for
>>pizza and that cheddar should go elsewhere. But this leads to a question:
>>Why?
>
> To me cheddar is way heavier than mozzarella. It works for
> mac n cheese, but I would not want that melted on my pizza.
>
> nancy

Another part of it is that mozzarella is a fresh cheese, well, not so much
that rubbery stuff you can grate, but you know-- and cheddar is an aged
cheese, although often not aged enough for me. I do miss it, but not for
pizza.

Has the OP not left the building?

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> Have you ever known the government to get anything right?
>
> Imagine the mess traffic would be if we *didn't* have traffic controls.
>
> Imagine flying if there were no FFA regulations.
>
> Imagine there being no fire departments.
>
> Imagine there being no paved and lighted streets.
>
> Imagine everyone just throwing their garbage and shit into the streets, as
> things used to be before municipal sewer systems.
>
> Imagine.
>
>

Thank you, Blinky.

ObFood: Government cheese kept my partner's family from starvation, back
in the day. We're both grateful he's around to tell the tale.

Serene

--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

>> Blue cheese doesn't go on pizza because the flavor would clash with the
>> tartness of the tomato sauce.

There is an entire world of pizza outside of a tomato sauce based
pizza. Pizza agli asparagi....Asparagus and Ham...mozzerella, olive
oil and parmesan. Pizza Di Cipolle E Caprino.....onion, olive oil,
red wine vinegar, fresh goat cheese and chopped walnuts. Pizza Al
Pesto....Goat cheese, olive and pesto. Just a few of many without
any tomatoes!

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:18:24 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> wrote:

>ObFood: Government cheese kept my partner's family from starvation, back
>in the day. We're both grateful he's around to tell the tale.

And government cheese has probably been served at Wednesday night
Church social carry in dinners that you can imagine. Bet we all
have eaten some and said....boy, that was good.

Ok...so, you don't go to church.....that was NOT the point of this.

On 2008-06-30, Julia Altshuler > wrote:

> Mild cheddar is almost generic in its taste.

The crap being made today certainly is. If ppl want mild cheddar, buy
sharp. That's what mild was 20 yrs ago.

> It isn't strongly
> anything, just creamy and cheesy.

It's just crap. "California Cheese". Bah! I'm ashamed to be even remotely
associated with the name/product.

nb

cybercat > wrote:

>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message

>> I've seen very few tofu pizzas, and even fewer that
>> really work out. It's practical to get tofu to integrate
>> into a pasta dish, but pizza is more difficult.

>Ugh. It is really hard to imagine tofu on pizza. I can tolerate it sauteed
>in garlic and used in a stir fry, but front and center on pizza?

It'd be difficult one to pull off. Possibly impossible.
Some combination of marinated/smoked/fried tofu might
work but it still does not sound convincing.

You'd probably be better off just adding soy flour to the
pizza dough.

Steve

Janet Wilder > wrote in news:4869300f$0$28641
:

> The cheese is packaged in huge loaves that are reportedly stored in
> caves that only the Federal Government is aware of.

Sounds suspiciously like an urban legend.

I still don't get the reason for derogatory remarks specifically targetting
a food programme which was meant to help people in need. Or WAS it???

*Cheap 3-D effect with block of cheese*

*Camera moves in, camera moves out* - tension mounts
*Camera moves in, camera moves out* - tension mounts
*Camera moves in, camera moves out* - tension reaches a crescendo!

Is this the same as not exactly accurately quoted comment about ketchup
being a vegetable? That cheese is a protein? Let me guess, protein is a
seven letter word for some people.

On 2008-06-30, Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote:

> There is an entire world of pizza outside of a tomato sauce based
> pizza. Pizza agli asparagi....Asparagus and Ham...mozzerella, olive
> oil and parmesan. Pizza Di Cipolle E Caprino.....onion, olive oil,
> red wine vinegar, fresh goat cheese and chopped walnuts. Pizza Al
> Pesto....Goat cheese, olive and pesto.

Pizza ala dog barf and pigeon crap!

Get a grip. Stouffer's pizza on a crust of cheap bread is not pizza, either.
Ya' gotta draw the line somewhere. Crust, mozzerella, red sauce and a few
good toppings. Thai fish lips? Ehh. BBQ'd catfish entrails? C'mon.

nb

On 2008-06-30, Giusi > wrote:

> Another part of it is that mozzarella is a fresh cheese, well, not so much
> that rubbery stuff you can grate, but you know-- and cheddar is an aged
> cheese, although often not aged enough for me. I do miss it, but not for
> pizza.

Pizza cheese IS rubber. Should stretch to the other side of the table.
Real cheddar breaks up into iceberg crap under heat.

nb

Billy wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:18:24 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> > wrote:
>
>> ObFood: Government cheese kept my partner's family from starvation, back
>> in the day. We're both grateful he's around to tell the tale.
>
> And government cheese has probably been served at Wednesday night
> Church social carry in dinners that you can imagine. Bet we all
> have eaten some and said....boy, that was good.
>
> Ok...so, you don't go to church.....that was NOT the point of this.
>
>

Oh, no, I totally remember that from my churchgoing days. :-)

(The quality of government cheese really was better when I was a kid
than it is these days. In the olden days, it was real cheese in big blocks.)

Serene

--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

notbob wrote:
>
> Get a grip. Stouffer's pizza on a crust of cheap bread is not pizza, either.
> Ya' gotta draw the line somewhere. Crust, mozzerella, red sauce and a few
> good toppings. Thai fish lips? Ehh. BBQ'd catfish entrails? C'mon.


You used stronger language, but you're getting around to the question I
was going to ask. When is pizza not a pizza?


For me, the basics a

Yeast pizza dough rolled into a circle and baked- thick and thin
variations are fine.

Tomato sauce.

Cheese.

Herbs- basil and oregano.

Toppings- mushrooms, peppers, pepperoni.


From there, I'm fine with ONE variation, maybe two, but that's it.


For example, if you use an English muffin for the crust and keep
everything else traditional, I'm O.K. with calling it an English muffin
pizza.


If you substitute fresh tomatoes or sun dried tomatoes for the sauce,
I'm O.K. with calling it a fresh tomato pizza.


If you skip the tomato product, use a variety of fine cheeses, and call
it a white pizza, I'm O.K. with that.


If you vary the toppings to include arugula, avocado, or chorizo, I
won't call the police.


But if you pile eggplant and humous on challah, stick it in the oven,
then top it with mesclun greens, it might be edible to some people, but
I'm not calling it pizza.


--Lia

notbob wrote:

> Get a grip. Stouffer's pizza on a crust of cheap bread is not pizza, either.
> Ya' gotta draw the line somewhere. Crust, mozzerella, red sauce and a few
> good toppings. Thai fish lips? Ehh. BBQ'd catfish entrails? C'mon.

Mmmmmmm. Thai fish lips!


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"Serene Vannoy" > wrote

> (The quality of government cheese really was better when I was a kid than
> it is these days. In the olden days, it was real cheese in big blocks.)

Being an army brat, you know I grew up on the stuff. It was good.

nancy

Julia Altshuler wrote:

> notbob wrote:
>>
>> Get a grip. Stouffer's pizza on a crust of cheap bread is not pizza, either.
>> Ya' gotta draw the line somewhere. Crust, mozzerella, red sauce and a few
>> good toppings. Thai fish lips? Ehh. BBQ'd catfish entrails? C'mon.
>
> You used stronger language, but you're getting around to the question I
> was going to ask. When is pizza not a pizza?

Since I'm not in Italy: a "pizza" is not a pizza if all it's got on it is
cheese and sauce and/or oil. Give me fixings, or it's just embellished
bread.


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notbob wrote:

> Pizza cheese IS rubber. Should stretch to the other side of the table.
> Real cheddar breaks up into iceberg crap under heat.

Naturally, we all have different definitions of iceberg crap.

No, wait. I'll bet nobody but you has *any* definition of iceberg crap.



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Michel Boucher wrote:

> Janet Wilder > wrote in news:4869300f$0$28641
> :
>
>> The cheese is packaged in huge loaves that are reportedly stored in
>> caves that only the Federal Government is aware of.
>
> Sounds suspiciously like an urban legend.

The caves and secrecy does. That said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_cheese


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notbob wrote:

> On 2008-06-30, Julia Altshuler > wrote:
>
> > Mild cheddar is almost generic in its taste.
>
> The crap being made today certainly is. If ppl want mild cheddar, buy
> sharp. That's what mild was 20 yrs ago.

Whaaat? No way. The various forms of cheddar haven't changed
significantly since I was a kid, that's like 40 years.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On 2008-06-30, Julia Altshuler > wrote:
>
> You used stronger language, but you're getting around to the question I
> was going to ask. When is pizza not a pizza?

[...] <-------linux for yada yada...

> But if you pile eggplant and humous on challah, stick it in the oven,
> then top it with mesclun greens, it might be edible to some people, but
> I'm not calling it pizza.

Right on, Julia. Sounds like puss spread w/ lawn clippings bread. Ick!

nb

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote
>
>> (The quality of government cheese really was better when I was a kid
>> than it is these days. In the olden days, it was real cheese in big
>> blocks.)
>
> Being an army brat, you know I grew up on the stuff. It was good.
>
> nancy

What'd the Army do- issue it to the soldiers as punishment??
Thankfully my husband was never given any, if it is as bad as everyone says?

On 2008-06-30, Default User > wrote:

> Whaaat? No way. The various forms of cheddar haven't changed
> significantly since I was a kid, that's like 40 years.

You must have had crummy cheddar from the get-go. The first time I ever
tried Tillamook (I once lived about 70 miles from their plant) it was in a
big ol' room-temp wheel of cheese, like the old general store. They cut off
a slice and sent me on my way. You ever seen that? I didn't think so.
I've been eating cheddar for about 55 yrs. Most of it is crap for a very
simple reason. Greed is more powerful than quality. Who ages cheddar for
4-5 yrs anymore? You tell me, I'll buy it.

nb

Blinky the Shark > wrote in
news
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_cheese

I did read that eventually.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2008-06-30, Default User > wrote:
>
>> Whaaat? No way. The various forms of cheddar haven't changed
>> significantly since I was a kid, that's like 40 years.
>
> You must have had crummy cheddar from the get-go. The first time I ever
> tried Tillamook (I once lived about 70 miles from their plant) it was in a
> big ol' room-temp wheel of cheese, like the old general store. They cut
> off
> a slice and sent me on my way. You ever seen that? I didn't think so.
> I've been eating cheddar for about 55 yrs. Most of it is crap for a very
> simple reason. Greed is more powerful than quality. Who ages cheddar for
> 4-5 yrs anymore? You tell me, I'll buy it.
>
> nb

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Chris Marksberry > wrote:

>Mail Order Exclusive
>We are proud to offer a rare, limited edition classic: Old School Cheddar -
>simply our oldest.

Clearly pandering to the rockabilly/old-school/retro-boogie-woogie
trend.

S.

notbob wrote:

> On 2008-06-30, Default User > wrote:
>
> > Whaaat? No way. The various forms of cheddar haven't changed
> > significantly since I was a kid, that's like 40 years.
>
> You must have had crummy cheddar from the get-go.

I'm talking about cheese you buy at the grocery store. It hasn't
changed notably in many years. You have some sort of nostaligia
disorder going on




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Goomba" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote
>>
>>> (The quality of government cheese really was better when I was a kid
>>> than it is these days. In the olden days, it was real cheese in big
>>> blocks.)
>>
>> Being an army brat, you know I grew up on the stuff. It was good.

> What'd the Army do- issue it to the soldiers as punishment??
> Thankfully my husband was never given any, if it is as bad as everyone
> says?

It wasn't bad! It was very good American cheese. Similar to the
expensive Kraft Deluxe cheese.

nancy

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Giusi wrote:
>
>> "Christopher M." > ha scritto nel
>> messaggio news:_TY9k.56$dz.6@trndny01...
>>> How do you deal with the lack of mild cheddar at the supermarket? It
>>> seems like cheddar comes mostly in the sharp variety.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a good mild cheddar for making a pizza. Colby seems
>>> like a mild cheddar--maybe a little to mild.
>>
>> Don't be silly. Cheddar doesn't belong on pizza. Cheddar is as
>> frequent as Martians in Italy.
>
> Heh. Makes sense, seeing as how cheddar is traditionally British...

Alton Brown says that there's a French cheese that's even better than
cheddar.


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Chris Marksberry > wrote:
>
>>Mail Order Exclusive
>>We are proud to offer a rare, limited edition classic: Old School
>>Cheddar -
>>simply our oldest.
>
> Clearly pandering to the rockabilly/old-school/retro-boogie-woogie
> trend.
>
> S.

You're not familar with Cabot cheese?

notbob wrote:
> Who ages cheddar for
> 4-5 yrs anymore? You tell me, I'll buy it.


Grafton in Vermont makes a nice aged cheddar.
http://www.graftonvillagecheese.com/...0227120 31934


--Lia

Chris Marksberry > wrote:

>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message

>> Clearly pandering to the rockabilly/old-school/retro-boogie-woogie
>> trend.

>You're not familar with Cabot cheese?

Sure, I just find the "Old School" part amusing.

The local weekly just did it's annual "best of" listings and
the theme this year was "old school". You can't get away
from this stuff.

Steve

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:52:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2008-06-30, Default User > wrote:
>
>> Whaaat? No way. The various forms of cheddar haven't changed
>> significantly since I was a kid, that's like 40 years.
>
>You must have had crummy cheddar from the get-go. The first time I ever
>tried Tillamook (I once lived about 70 miles from their plant) it was in a
>big ol' room-temp wheel of cheese, like the old general store. They cut off
>a slice and sent me on my way. You ever seen that? I didn't think so.
>I've been eating cheddar for about 55 yrs. Most of it is crap for a very
>simple reason. Greed is more powerful than quality. Who ages cheddar for
>4-5 yrs anymore? You tell me, I'll buy it.
>
>nb

Up to 7 years he

http://www.mapleleafcheeseandchocolatehaus.com/

I've only had the 6 year aged. The fudge is wonderful there too.

Want good domestic (US) Swiss? Go he

http://www.pcmli.com/cw_sb.htm

Don't fool yourself into thinking you can't get fabulous cheese in the
states.

Lou

"Nancy Young" > wrote in news:e_KdnXrvi4RQ-
:

>>> Being an army brat, you know I grew up on the stuff. It was good.
>
>> What'd the Army do- issue it to the soldiers as punishment??
>> Thankfully my husband was never given any, if it is as bad as everyone
>> says?
>
> It wasn't bad! It was very good American cheese. Similar to the
> expensive Kraft Deluxe cheese.

Ok, so those who have tasted it say it's good (de gustibus etc.) but there
seems to persist a notion that Gummint Cheese is bad. Probably those who
say that never had any and associate said cheese with an undesirable state
of life, sort of like the ultimate C&W song (car broke, dog died,
girlfriend cheated on him, and to top it off, gummint cheese!).

In Québec, there was a turluteuse in the 1930's called La Bolduc, a self-
taught musician and composer. She went from housewife to being the most
popular singer alive in Québec, the first to be able to earn a living from
record sales alone, all in the space of two years and performed for the
following ten years even through chemotherapy for a malignant tumour (of
which she died).

Her real name was Mary Waters (no, not the D-cup model) and she sang among
other things very popular songs aimed at educating people to: go to the
doctor, eat vegetables and fish, be frugal (it WAS during the depression),
be moderate drinkers...

La Bolduc would have told the people to eat the cheese and stop whining :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Bolduc

"Christopher M." > wrote in newsUdak.117
$qW.92@trndny03:

>> Heh. Makes sense, seeing as how cheddar is traditionally British...
>
> Alton Brown says that there's a French cheese that's even better than
> cheddar.

Only one?

Michel Boucher > wrote:

>In Québec, there was a turluteuse in the 1930's called La Bolduc, a self-
>taught musician and composer. She went from housewife to being the most
>popular singer alive in Québec, the first to be able to earn a living from
>record sales alone, all in the space of two years and performed for the
>following ten years even through chemotherapy for a malignant tumour (of
>which she died).

They had chemotherapy in the 1930's? I had no idea.

Steve

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote
>
>> (The quality of government cheese really was better when I was a kid
>> than it is these days. In the olden days, it was real cheese in big
>> blocks.)
>
> Being an army brat, you know I grew up on the stuff. It was good.

Same here. Navy brat, though.

Serene
--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

(Steve Pope) wrote in news:g4bra6$m4p$1
@blue.rahul.net:

> They had chemotherapy in the 1930's? I had no idea.

The Institut du Radium at the Université de Montréal was founded in 1922 to
treat cancer with radium therapy, the material being provided by the
government of the province of Québec. It closed its doors in 1967 and
became the Institut du cancer. So yes, there was chemotherapy available in
Québec in the 1930's.

http://www.recherche.umontreal.ca/re...hercheurs/1922
_gendreau.html

Serene Vannoy > wrote in news:6cta1gF3ieklvU10
@mid.individual.net:

>> Being an army brat, you know I grew up on the stuff. It was good.
>
> Same here. Navy brat, though.

What`s the diff between an army brat and a navy brat? The punishments?
Like, ferinstance, navy brats don't get grounded (for obvious reasons),
they're towed out to sea? :-)

Michel Boucher > wrote in
:

> (Steve Pope) wrote in news:g4bra6$m4p$1
> @blue.rahul.net:
>
>> They had chemotherapy in the 1930's? I had no idea.
>
> The Institut du Radium at the Université de Montréal was founded in
> 1922 to treat cancer with radium therapy, the material being provided
> by the government of the province of Québec. It closed its doors in
> 1967 and became the Institut du cancer. So yes, there was
> chemotherapy available in Québec in the 1930's.
>
> http://www.recherche.umontreal.ca/re...hercheurs/1922
> _gendreau.html>

Sorry about that, not chemo, radium...

Steve Pope wrote:
> Michel Boucher > wrote:
>
>> In Québec, there was a turluteuse in the 1930's called La Bolduc, a self-
>> taught musician and composer. She went from housewife to being the most
>> popular singer alive in Québec, the first to be able to earn a living from
>> record sales alone, all in the space of two years and performed for the
>> following ten years even through chemotherapy for a malignant tumour (of
>> which she died).
>
> They had chemotherapy in the 1930's? I had no idea.
>
> Steve

Well, actually it sounds as if she had radiation therapy.
My mother had radiation therapy as a young child in the 30's.

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> "Goomba" > wrote
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote
>>>
>>>> (The quality of government cheese really was better when I was a kid
>>>> than it is these days. In the olden days, it was real cheese in big
>>>> blocks.)
>>>
>>> Being an army brat, you know I grew up on the stuff. It was good.
>
>> What'd the Army do- issue it to the soldiers as punishment??
>> Thankfully my husband was never given any, if it is as bad as everyone
>> says?
>
> It wasn't bad! It was very good American cheese. Similar to the
> expensive Kraft Deluxe cheese.
>
> nancy

I think it was much better than the Kraft stuff. Used to have a neighbor
who was eligible for whatever program distributed the food. She couldn't
eat the cheese so she would give it to us.

Michel Boucher wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in news:e_KdnXrvi4RQ-
> :
>
>>>> Being an army brat, you know I grew up on the stuff. It was good.
>>
>>> What'd the Army do- issue it to the soldiers as punishment??
>>> Thankfully my husband was never given any, if it is as bad as
>>> everyone says?
>>
>> It wasn't bad! It was very good American cheese. Similar to the
>> expensive Kraft Deluxe cheese.
>
> Ok, so those who have tasted it say it's good (de gustibus etc.) but
> there seems to persist a notion that Gummint Cheese is bad.

I don't know why people would say that. I'm serious. I think
maybe they started handing out the surplus to the needy at some point
and, as you say, it sounded like it must be bad. I'd buy it if it was for
sale ... well, except that I don't really need lots of American cheese.
(laugh) It came in a long box.

> Probably
> those who say that never had any and associate said cheese with an
> undesirable state of life, sort of like the ultimate C&W song (car
> broke, dog died, girlfriend cheated on him, and to top it off,
> gummint cheese!).

(laugh) That's funny. What's worse is that now when you say
american cheese, people seem to think of those icky plastic
covered things. No!

> In Québec, there was a turluteuse in the 1930's called La Bolduc, a
> self- taught musician and composer. She went from housewife to being
> the most popular singer alive in Québec, the first to be able to earn
> a living from record sales alone, all in the space of two years and
> performed for the following ten years even through chemotherapy for a
> malignant tumour (of which she died).
>
> Her real name was Mary Waters (no, not the D-cup model) and she sang
> among other things very popular songs aimed at educating people to:
> go to the doctor, eat vegetables and fish, be frugal (it WAS during
> the depression), be moderate drinkers...
>
> La Bolduc would have told the people to eat the cheese and stop
> whining :-)

Thanks for the story ... I'll click on the link in a bit.

nancy