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![]() "metspitzer" > wrote in message ... > Anyone know an easy way to find out exactly how a smoothie stacks up > to say a Sprite? > > I just made an 8oz smoothie with this: > 3 frozen strawberries > 1 slice pineapple > 1 table spoon Jiff Chunky peanut butter > less than a teaspoon Splenda > topped it off with 2% milk > > It tasted too good to be healthy ![]() > > well, what do you call healthy? Everyone's "healthy" isn't the same. Jiff has trans fats ... so for me that would make it not healthy. Some people would say by putting Splenda in it you would be making it unhealthy, some would say that it would be high in sugar so that would make it unhealthy, some would say that it's high in fat so that would make it unhealthy. Then again, some people would say that just the opposite of all the above statements would be true. If you like it, drink it, if you stay healthy it's fine, if you get more healthy that's great and if you become unhealthy, stop drinking it, it's not healthy for you. |
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Anyone know an easy way to find out exactly how a smoothie stacks up
to say a Sprite? I just made an 8oz smoothie with this: 3 frozen strawberries 1 slice pineapple 1 table spoon Jiff Chunky peanut butter less than a teaspoon Splenda topped it off with 2% milk It tasted too good to be healthy ![]() |
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metspitzer wrote:
> > Anyone know an easy way to find out exactly how a smoothie stacks up > to say a Sprite? > > I just made an 8oz smoothie with this: > 3 frozen strawberries > 1 slice pineapple > 1 table spoon Jiff Chunky peanut butter > less than a teaspoon Splenda > topped it off with 2% milk > > It tasted too good to be healthy ![]() Skip the peanut butter, and it would much more healthful. Peanut butter has more aflatoxins than whole or in-shell peanuts (so-called "table peanuts"), because it often includes peanuts from batches that have been downgraded for toxin-producing mold (segregation 3 peanuts) which are then cleaned and regraded. This is completely legal. Here's an interesting table from http://zoology.muohio.edu/oris/ZOO46...s/15b_462.html Note that conditions which present multiple risks are called out separately -- for example, the risk from black lung disease and the risk of an accident are listed separately for the condition of living in a coal mine. Although the benzopyrene risk is cited for charcoal broiled steaks, the risk from polyaromatic hydrocarbons and polyamines from the same steaks is not included in the table. Note where eating peanut butter is in this list. Frankly, I'd rather eat the charcoal broiled steak (except that I stopped eating beef three years ago due to questions about the occurrence of variant CJD in the U.S. and the evasive and extraordinary response of the Centers for Disease Control and U.S. Public Health Service with regard to my FOIA request and its appeal). Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001 Smoking 1.4 cigarettes -- Cancer, heart disease Drinking ½ litre of wine -- Cirrhosis of the liver Spending 1 hour in a coal mine -- Black lung disease Spending 3 hours in a coal mine -- Accident Living 2 days in New York or Boston -- Air pollution Travelling 5 minutes by canoe -- Accident Travelling 10 miles by bicycle -- Accident Travelling 300 miles by car -- Accident Flying 1000 miles by jet -- Accident Flying 6000 miles by jet -- Cancer caused by cosmic radiation Living 2 months in Denver on vacation from New York -- Cancer caused by cosmic radiation Living 2 months in average stone or brick building -- Cancer caused by natural radioactivity One chest X-ray taken in a good hospital -- Cancer caused by radiation Living 2 months with a cigarette smoker -- Cancer, heart disease Eating 40 tablespoons of peanut butter -- Liver cancer caused by aflatoxin B Drinking Miami drinking-water for 1 year -- Cancer caused by chloroform Drinking 30 12 oz. cans of diet soda -- Cancer caused by saccharin Living 5 years at site boundary of a typical nuclear power plant in the open -- Cancer caused by radiation Drinking 1000 24 oz. soft drinks from recently banned plastic bottles -- Cancer from acrylonitrile monomer Living 20 years near PVC plant -- Cancer caused by vinyl chloride (1976 standard) Living 150 years within 20 miles of a nuclear power plant -- Cancer caused by radiation Eating 100 charcoal broiled steaks -- Cancer from benzopyrene Risk of accident by living within 5 miles of a nuclear reactor for 50 years -- Cancer caused by radiation |
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Mark Thorson > wrote:
>Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001 > >Smoking 1.4 cigarettes -- Cancer, heart disease >Drinking ½ litre of wine -- Cirrhosis of the liver >Spending 1 hour in a coal mine -- Black lung disease >Spending 3 hours in a coal mine -- Accident >Living 2 days in New York or Boston -- Air pollution >Travelling 5 minutes by canoe -- Accident >Travelling 10 miles by bicycle -- Accident >Travelling 300 miles by car -- Accident >Flying 1000 miles by jet -- Accident >Flying 6000 miles by jet -- Cancer caused by >cosmic radiation What about the post-nuclear-age manmade environmental radiation? I'm pretty sure that's stronger than cosmic rays, even at 30,000 feet. Steve |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> Skip the peanut butter, and it would much more healthful. > Peanut butter has more aflatoxins than whole or in-shell > peanuts (so-called "table peanuts"), because it often > includes peanuts from batches that have been downgraded > for toxin-producing mold (segregation 3 peanuts) which > are then cleaned and regraded. This is completely legal. > > Here's an interesting table from > http://zoology.muohio.edu/oris/ZOO46...s/15b_462.html > > Note that conditions which present multiple risks > are called out separately -- for example, the risk > from black lung disease and the risk of an accident > are listed separately for the condition of living in > a coal mine. Although the benzopyrene risk is > cited for charcoal broiled steaks, the risk from > polyaromatic hydrocarbons and polyamines from > the same steaks is not included in the table. > > Note where eating peanut butter is in this list. > Frankly, I'd rather eat the charcoal broiled steak > (except that I stopped eating beef three years ago > due to questions about the occurrence of variant CJD > in the U.S. and the evasive and extraordinary response > of the Centers for Disease Control and U.S. Public Health > Service with regard to my FOIA request and its appeal). > > Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001 > > Smoking 1.4 cigarettes -- Cancer, heart disease > Drinking ½ litre of wine -- Cirrhosis of the liver > Spending 1 hour in a coal mine -- Black lung disease > Spending 3 hours in a coal mine -- Accident > Living 2 days in New York or Boston -- Air pollution > Travelling 5 minutes by canoe -- Accident > Travelling 10 miles by bicycle -- Accident > Travelling 300 miles by car -- Accident > Flying 1000 miles by jet -- Accident > Flying 6000 miles by jet -- Cancer caused by > cosmic radiation > Living 2 months in Denver on vacation from > New York -- Cancer caused by cosmic radiation > Living 2 months in average stone or brick building > -- Cancer caused by natural radioactivity > One chest X-ray taken in a good hospital -- Cancer > caused by radiation > Living 2 months with a cigarette smoker -- Cancer, > heart disease > Eating 40 tablespoons of peanut butter -- Liver > cancer caused by aflatoxin B > Drinking Miami drinking-water for 1 year -- Cancer > caused by chloroform > Drinking 30 12 oz. cans of diet soda -- Cancer > caused by saccharin > Living 5 years at site boundary of a typical nuclear > power plant in the open -- Cancer caused by radiation > Drinking 1000 24 oz. soft drinks from recently banned > plastic bottles -- Cancer from acrylonitrile monomer > Living 20 years near PVC plant -- Cancer caused by > vinyl chloride (1976 standard) > Living 150 years within 20 miles of a nuclear power > plant -- Cancer caused by radiation > Eating 100 charcoal broiled steaks -- Cancer from > benzopyrene > Risk of accident by living within 5 miles of a nuclear > reactor for 50 years -- Cancer caused by radiation Interesting. I have wondered about that peanut butter. I wonder whether ANY manufacturers take special pains to use better-quality peanuts? Is the PB you grind yourself in the store any better? Or is the only good way to buy the peanuts and then grind them at home? -- Jean B. |
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-- mompeagram FERGUS/HARLINGEN "metspitzer" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:20:30 -0700, Mark Thorson > > wrote: > > >>Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001 >> >>Smoking 1.4 cigarettes -- Cancer, heart disease >>Drinking ½ litre of wine -- Cirrhosis of the liver > > Done that. Done that. > >>Spending 1 hour in a coal mine -- Black lung disease >>Spending 3 hours in a coal mine -- Accident >>Living 2 days in New York or Boston -- Air pollution > > Nope nope nope. > > >>Travelling 5 minutes by canoe -- Accident >>Travelling 10 miles by bicycle -- Accident > > No chance of these. ![]() > |
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In article >,
metspitzer > wrote: > Anyone know an easy way to find out exactly how a smoothie stacks up > to say a Sprite? > > I just made an 8oz smoothie with this: > 3 frozen strawberries > 1 slice pineapple > 1 table spoon Jiff Chunky peanut butter > less than a teaspoon Splenda > topped it off with 2% milk > > It tasted too good to be healthy ![]() What a coincidence! I just was wondering the same thing about the 12oz bottle of Henry Weinhard's Private Reserve that I just chugged. I looked on the label and there was no ingredient list but they gave a toll-free phone number for "consumer questions". There was also a government warning against getting pregnant. Yeah, and it tasted too good to be healthy -- greatvalleyimages.com |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:20:30 -0700, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001 > >Smoking 1.4 cigarettes -- Cancer, heart disease >Drinking ½ litre of wine -- Cirrhosis of the liver Done that. Done that. >Spending 1 hour in a coal mine -- Black lung disease >Spending 3 hours in a coal mine -- Accident >Living 2 days in New York or Boston -- Air pollution Nope nope nope. >Travelling 5 minutes by canoe -- Accident >Travelling 10 miles by bicycle -- Accident No chance of these. ![]() |
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![]() "Jean B." > wrote > Interesting. What I find interesting is that it's always miserable slobs like Thorson who live to be 150. |
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"Jean B." wrote:
> > Interesting. I have wondered about that peanut butter. I wonder > whether ANY manufacturers take special pains to use better-quality > peanuts? Is the PB you grind yourself in the store any better? > Or is the only good way to buy the peanuts and then grind them at > home? Before I stopped eating peanuts, I would only buy them from the bulk bin at Safeway, picking out the cleanest- looking, unbroken ones (visual inspection). If you really want to know more about peanuts, read this: http://commdocs.house.gov/committees...peanuts_0f.htm |
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cybercat wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote >> Interesting. > > What I find interesting is that it's always miserable slobs like Thorson who > live to be 150. > > Heh! In this case, could there possibly be a correlation to posts (and interests) like the one above in this thread? -- Jean B. |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote: >> Interesting. I have wondered about that peanut butter. I wonder >> whether ANY manufacturers take special pains to use better-quality >> peanuts? Is the PB you grind yourself in the store any better? >> Or is the only good way to buy the peanuts and then grind them at >> home? > > Before I stopped eating peanuts, I would only buy them > from the bulk bin at Safeway, picking out the cleanest- > looking, unbroken ones (visual inspection). > > If you really want to know more about peanuts, read this: > > http://commdocs.house.gov/committees...peanuts_0f.htm It's going to take a while to read this, but my eyebrows are shooting up.... Clean and regrade? Time to help the producer? (Hmmm. THAT reminds me of some other things we have witnessed.) When DID you stop eating peanuts? Looking at this http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/fdaact.html#afla it would seem that Brazil nuts and pistachios are also susceptible to aflatoxin. -- Jean B. |
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On Jun 30, 6:13 pm, metspitzer > wrote:
> Anyone know an easy way to find out exactly how a smoothie stacks up > to say a Sprite? > > I just made an 8oz smoothie with this: > 3 frozen strawberries > 1 slice pineapple > 1 table spoon Jiff Chunky peanut butter > less than a teaspoon Splenda > topped it off with 2% milk > > It tasted too good to be healthy ![]() At the very least, you should ditch the 2% milk and go for skim. With all the other stuff in there, you won't notice, and no adult needs that fat. (Peanuts in a drink? Sounds {{gag}} awful, but then I don't like smoothies.) N. |
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote: > (Peanuts in a drink? Sounds {{gag}} awful, but then I >don't like smoothies.) I love smoothies made with fruit and yogurt, but the idea of peanut butter in my smoothie isn't appealing at all. -- I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond. Mae West |
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![]() "sf" <.> wrote in message ... > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 > > wrote: > >> (Peanuts in a drink? Sounds {{gag}} awful, but then I >>don't like smoothies.) > > I love smoothies made with fruit and yogurt, but the idea of peanut > butter in my smoothie isn't appealing at all. > Really. I love cashews but I don't want to drink them. |
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![]() "sf" <.> wrote in message ... > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 > > wrote: > >> (Peanuts in a drink? Sounds {{gag}} awful, but then I >>don't like smoothies.) > > I love smoothies made with fruit and yogurt, but the idea of peanut > butter in my smoothie isn't appealing at all. I make a kind of smoothie using zerocarb protein powder - chocolate peanut butter flavored - in one percent milk. Sometimes I chuck in a half a banana. Pretty durned tasty. TammyM |
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cybercat wrote:
> > Really. I love cashews but I don't want to drink them. On the other hand, there's almond milk and coconut milk which taste quite nice. (And soy milk which I don't care for as much.) --Lia |
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![]() "sf" <.> wrote in message ... > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 > > wrote: > >> (Peanuts in a drink? Sounds {{gag}} awful, but then I >>don't like smoothies.) > > I love smoothies made with fruit and yogurt, but the idea of peanut > butter in my smoothie isn't appealing at all. > > One of my favs (that I can no longer have) is a good home made super thick PB milk shake. Yum. > -- > I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the > number of carats in a diamond. > > Mae West |
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:49:19 -0700, "TammyM" >
wrote: > >"sf" <.> wrote in message ... >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 >> > wrote: >> >>> (Peanuts in a drink? Sounds {{gag}} awful, but then I >>>don't like smoothies.) >> >> I love smoothies made with fruit and yogurt, but the idea of peanut >> butter in my smoothie isn't appealing at all. > >I make a kind of smoothie using zerocarb protein powder - chocolate peanut >butter flavored - in one percent milk. Sometimes I chuck in a half a >banana. > >Pretty durned tasty. > Hmmm, that combo might be good - I like peanut butter and banana sandwiches, I like chocolate covered bananas.... -- I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond. Mae West |
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"Jean B." wrote:
> > When DID you stop eating peanuts? I believe it was in 2002, after I read this alarming paper: Gastroenterology 1998 Jan;114(1):44-9 Peanut ingestion increases rectal proliferation in individuals with mucosal expression of peanut lectin receptor. Ryder SD, Jacyna MR, Levi AJ, Rizzi PM, Rhodes JM. Department of Gastroenterology, Northwick Park Hospital, Middlesex, England. BACKGROUND & AIMS: The Thomsen-Friedenreich blood group antigen (galactose beta 1,3-N-acetyl galactosamine alpha-) acts as an oncofetal antigen in the colonic epithelium, with low expression in normal adult epithelia but increasing to fetal levels of expression in hyperplasia or malignancy. Peanut lectin is one of the commonest dietary lectins that binds this antigen. The aim of this study was to determine whether peanut ingestion can alter rectal epithelial proliferation. METHODS: Thirty-six patients with normal colonic mucosa consumed 100 g of peanuts each day for 5 days. Rectal mitotic index was measured before and after ingestion, and changes in proliferation were correlated with immunohistochemical detection of lectin receptor expression by colonocytes and fecal lectin activity as measured by hemagglutination assay. RESULTS: Peanut ingestion caused a 41% increase in rectal mucosal proliferation in individuals with macroscopically normal mucosa who express TF antigen in their rectal mucosae (10 of 36 patients studied). The proliferative response correlated with fecal hemagglutinating activity, and peanut lectin could be shown immunohistochemically within the rectal mucosa. CONCLUSIONS: The common expression of galactose beta 1,3-N-acetyl galactosamine alpha- by hyperplastic and neoplastic epithelia may therefore be functionally important because it allows interaction with mitogenic dietary lectins. This could be an important mechanism for the association between diet and colorectal cancer. |
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Steve Pope wrote:
> > What about the post-nuclear-age manmade environmental radiation? > I'm pretty sure that's stronger than cosmic rays, even at > 30,000 feet. I have some Fiesta salt and pepper shakers and a plate which measure 10 times background radiation at a distance of 3 feet. They are definitely pre-nuclear age. (No, I don't use them for food purposes.) |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:43:42 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote: > >"Jean B." > wrote >> Interesting. > >What I find interesting is that it's always miserable slobs like Thorson who >live to be 150. > no, their less-uptight neighbors usually end up killing them long before that. your pal, blake ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:20:30 -0700, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >Here's an interesting table from >http://zoology.muohio.edu/oris/ZOO46...s/15b_462.html > > >Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001 > what the hell is this even supposed to mean? as far as i know everyone's chance of death is 100% no matter who the **** you are or what the **** you do. your pal, blake ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:29:44 -0700, Donald Martinich >
wrote: >In article >, > metspitzer > wrote: > >> Anyone know an easy way to find out exactly how a smoothie stacks up >> to say a Sprite? >> >> I just made an 8oz smoothie with this: >> 3 frozen strawberries >> 1 slice pineapple >> 1 table spoon Jiff Chunky peanut butter >> less than a teaspoon Splenda >> topped it off with 2% milk >> >> It tasted too good to be healthy ![]() > >What a coincidence! I just was wondering the same thing about the 12oz >bottle of Henry Weinhard's Private Reserve that I just chugged. I >looked on the label and there was no ingredient list but they gave a >toll-free phone number for "consumer questions". There was also a >government warning against getting pregnant. Yeah, and it tasted too >good to be healthy just to be cautious, i would wait twenty minutes, and if there are no ill effects, have another. your pal, blake ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:56:54 -0700, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >"Jean B." wrote: >> >> When DID you stop eating peanuts? > >I believe it was in 2002, after I read this >alarming paper: > you know, you might be a lot happier if you read a little less. your pal, blake ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Jul 2, 11:28*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:20:30 -0700, Mark Thorson > > wrote: > > >Here's an interesting table from > >http://zoology.muohio.edu/oris/ZOO46...s/15b_462.html > > >Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001 > > what the hell is this even supposed to mean? *as far as i know > everyone's chance of death is 100% no matter who the **** you are or > what the **** you do. You're forgetting Isaiah or Abraham or whoever that guy was who got taken up in the fiery chariot. Still 1/ 1*10^30 or so is not good odds John Kane Kingston ON Canada |
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blake murphy wrote:
> > On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:56:54 -0700, Mark Thorson > > wrote: > > >"Jean B." wrote: > >> > >> When DID you stop eating peanuts? > > > >I believe it was in 2002, after I read this > >alarming paper: > > you know, you might be a lot happier if you read a little less. I'm not one of you "my government will protect me" people. |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote: >> When DID you stop eating peanuts? > > I believe it was in 2002, after I read this > alarming paper: > > Gastroenterology 1998 Jan;114(1):44-9 > Peanut ingestion increases rectal proliferation in individuals > with mucosal expression of peanut lectin receptor. > Ryder SD, Jacyna MR, Levi AJ, Rizzi PM, Rhodes JM. > Department of Gastroenterology, Northwick Park Hospital, > Middlesex, England. > > BACKGROUND & AIMS: The Thomsen-Friedenreich > blood group antigen (galactose beta 1,3-N-acetyl > galactosamine alpha-) acts as an oncofetal antigen > in the colonic epithelium, with low expression in > normal adult epithelia but increasing to fetal levels > of expression in hyperplasia or malignancy. Peanut > lectin is one of the commonest dietary lectins that > binds this antigen. The aim of this study was to > determine whether peanut ingestion can alter rectal > epithelial proliferation. > > METHODS: Thirty-six patients with normal colonic > mucosa consumed 100 g of peanuts each > day for 5 days. Rectal mitotic index was measured > before and after ingestion, and changes in > proliferation were correlated with immunohistochemical > detection of lectin receptor expression by > colonocytes and fecal lectin activity as measured > by hemagglutination assay. > > RESULTS: Peanut ingestion caused a 41% increase > in rectal mucosal proliferation in individuals with > macroscopically normal mucosa who express > TF antigen in their rectal mucosae (10 of 36 > patients studied). The proliferative response > correlated with fecal hemagglutinating activity, and > peanut lectin could be shown immunohistochemically > within the rectal mucosa. > > CONCLUSIONS: The common expression > of galactose beta 1,3-N-acetyl galactosamine > alpha- by hyperplastic and neoplastic epithelia > may therefore be functionally important because it > allows interaction with mitogenic dietary lectins. > This could be an important mechanism for the > association between diet and colorectal cancer. Makes me regret my peanut- and PB eating. :-( -- Jean B. |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:59:58 -0700, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >blake murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:56:54 -0700, Mark Thorson > >> wrote: >> >> >"Jean B." wrote: >> >> >> >> When DID you stop eating peanuts? >> > >> >I believe it was in 2002, after I read this >> >alarming paper: >> >> you know, you might be a lot happier if you read a little less. > >I'm not one of you "my government will protect me" people. i'm just afraid that at some point you'll never leave the house. your pal, blake ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Jul 1, 10:33*am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> On Jun 30, 6:13 pm, metspitzer > wrote: > > > Anyone know an easy way to find out exactly how a smoothie stacks up > > to say a Sprite? > > > I just made an 8oz smoothie with this: > > 3 frozen strawberries > > 1 slice pineapple > > 1 table spoon Jiff Chunky peanut butter > > less than a teaspoon Splenda > > topped it off with 2% milk > > > It tasted too good to be healthy * ![]() > > At the very least, you should ditch the 2% milk and go for skim. *With > all the other stuff in there, you won't notice, and no adult needs > that fat. *(Peanuts in a drink? *Sounds {{gag}} awful, but then I > don't like smoothies.) > > N. Naw go for satiety and replace the low fat milk with half and half. |
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 00:26:44 -0700 (PDT),
|" > wrote: >On Jul 1, 10:33*am, Nancy2 > wrote: >> On Jun 30, 6:13 pm, metspitzer > wrote: >> >> > Anyone know an easy way to find out exactly how a smoothie stacks up >> > to say a Sprite? >> >> > I just made an 8oz smoothie with this: >> > 3 frozen strawberries >> > 1 slice pineapple >> > 1 table spoon Jiff Chunky peanut butter >> > less than a teaspoon Splenda >> > topped it off with 2% milk >> >> > It tasted too good to be healthy * ![]() >> >> At the very least, you should ditch the 2% milk and go for skim. *With >> all the other stuff in there, you won't notice, and no adult needs >> that fat. *(Peanuts in a drink? *Sounds {{gag}} awful, but then I >> don't like smoothies.) >> >> N. > >Naw go for satiety and replace the low fat milk with half and half. My new and improved Smoothie Mango Pineapple Walnuts Splenda Skim Milk I had never tried Mango. Great tasting for Smoothies |
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