Sheldon wrote:

> On Jul 1, 10:05�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> > Sheldon wrote:
> > > Why not just buy powdered milk/detergent?
> >
> > I am *not* buying powdered milk.
> >
> > nancy
>
> My reply was regarding the shipping costs for water... so what about
> the powdered detergent. I much prefer the powdered laundry detergent,
> costs significantly less for more, it weighs less... I'm not paying
> for plastic jugs, cardboard cartons cost much less. And if ever an
> unfortunate spillage accident I can scoop/vacuum up powder... if a
> gallon of liquid tips over use your imagination.

Powdered detergents has fillers in it too. Some shoppers are suckers for
more weight or greater volume in their purchase, but they are paying for
fillers not detergent..

Sheldon wrote:
> On Jul 1, 10:05�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> Why not just buy powdered milk/detergent?
>>
>> I am *not* buying powdered milk.

> My reply was regarding the shipping costs for water... so what about
> the powdered detergent. I much prefer the powdered laundry detergent,
> costs significantly less for more, it weighs less... I'm not paying
> for plastic jugs, cardboard cartons cost much less. And if ever an
> unfortunate spillage accident I can scoop/vacuum up powder... if a
> gallon of liquid tips over use your imagination.

For years I used powdered detergent. I have not looked lately, so
for all I know, something's changed, but liquid detergent seems to
have taken over the entire display in the stores. I got tired of buying
small boxes and made the switch. I buy those large containers of
All in the white variety, though right now I have the Kirkland brand.
They sit on the dryer and have a spigot. I use about the same size
scoop or smaller of the liquid that I did of the powdered.

> I don't drink much milk, but I do buy it for cooking and my cats like
> it occasionally, but mostly they prefer evap. And I always have some
> powdered milk on hand, comes in very handy for cooking especially when
> there isn't enough whole milk or it has soured.

Okay, I can understand that, but it's just not for me. Childhood
trauma of drinking that stuff has put me off it. Fact is, I don't use
much milk at all, really, so it's just not an issue.

nancy

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:01:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Sheldon wrote:
>
>> On Jul 1, 10:05�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> > Sheldon wrote:
>> > > Why not just buy powdered milk/detergent?
>> >
>> > I am *not* buying powdered milk.
>> >
>> > nancy
>>
>> My reply was regarding the shipping costs for water... so what about
>> the powdered detergent. I much prefer the powdered laundry detergent,
>> costs significantly less for more, it weighs less... I'm not paying
>> for plastic jugs, cardboard cartons cost much less. And if ever an
>> unfortunate spillage accident I can scoop/vacuum up powder... if a
>> gallon of liquid tips over use your imagination.
>
>Powdered detergents has fillers in it too. Some shoppers are suckers for
>more weight or greater volume in their purchase, but they are paying for
>fillers not detergent..

Powdered detergent makes me itch like crazy. It's like using Irish
Spring bar soap. I think they put Poison Ivy in it.

Lou

On Jul 2, 12:43�pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:05:57 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> > wrote:
>
> >> Sheldon wrote:
>
> >>> Why not just buy powdered milk/detergent?
>
> >> I am *not* buying powdered milk.
> > i admire a woman of principle. �well, certain principles.
>
> I have principles where it counts. �No liver eating, and
> no freakin powdered milk.

Many a time powdered milk has proved a life saver for cooking and
especially baking. And I bet I can mix up a batch that you won't
notice it's powdered milk... make up a quart with just one drop of
vanilla extract and leave it in the fridge over night... most people
make the mistake of drinking it right after mixing, the powder needs
time to fully incorporate with the water, as it sits in the fridge its
texture actually become creamy. And that tiny bit of vanilla freshens
the flavor but no one will notice if you don't tell them.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > On Jul 1, 10:05�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> > > Sheldon wrote:
> > > > Why not just buy powdered milk/detergent?
> > >
> > > I am *not* buying powdered milk.
> > >
> > > nancy
> >
> > My reply was regarding the shipping costs for water... so what about
> > the powdered detergent. I much prefer the powdered laundry detergent,
> > costs significantly less for more, it weighs less... I'm not paying
> > for plastic jugs, cardboard cartons cost much less. And if ever an
> > unfortunate spillage accident I can scoop/vacuum up powder... if a
> > gallon of liquid tips over use your imagination.
>
> Powdered detergents has fillers in it too. Some shoppers are suckers for
> more weight or greater volume in their purchase, but they are paying for
> fillers not detergent..

Not all do. The one I use has no fillers and the correct "dosage" for a
full load is about 2 - 3 tablespoons. A 1.1kg bottle of the powder (yes
it comes in a bottle with a pour spout at the top -- the lid is used as
the measure) lasts me ages.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

In article >,
Lou Decruss > wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:01:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >Sheldon wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 1, 10:05�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> >> > Sheldon wrote:
> >> > > Why not just buy powdered milk/detergent?
> >> >
> >> > I am *not* buying powdered milk.
> >> >
> >> > nancy
> >>
> >> My reply was regarding the shipping costs for water... so what about
> >> the powdered detergent. I much prefer the powdered laundry detergent,
> >> costs significantly less for more, it weighs less... I'm not paying
> >> for plastic jugs, cardboard cartons cost much less. And if ever an
> >> unfortunate spillage accident I can scoop/vacuum up powder... if a
> >> gallon of liquid tips over use your imagination.
> >
> >Powdered detergents has fillers in it too. Some shoppers are suckers for
> >more weight or greater volume in their purchase, but they are paying for
> >fillers not detergent..
>
> Powdered detergent makes me itch like crazy. It's like using Irish
> Spring bar soap. I think they put Poison Ivy in it.

Try an unscented powder, or a concentrate. Chances are you're allergic
to either the fillers or the perfume.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Jul 2, 5:01Â*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > On Jul 1, 10:05�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> > > Sheldon wrote:
> > > > Why not just buy powdered milk/detergent?
>
> > > I am *not* buying powdered milk.
>
> > > nancy
>
> > My reply was regarding the shipping costs for water... so what about
> > the powdered detergent. Â*I much prefer the powdered laundry detergent,
> > costs significantly less for more, it weighs less... I'm not paying
> > for plastic jugs, cardboard cartons cost much less. Â*And if ever an
> > unfortunate spillage accident I can scoop/vacuum up powder... if a
> > gallon of liquid tips over use your imagination.
>
> Powdered detergents has fillers in it too. Some shoppers are suckers for
> more weight or greater volume in their purchase, but they are paying for
> fillers not detergent..

Of course, but the powdered fillers weigh very little compared to the
water in the liquid product... and it's the cost of shipping we're
discussing. And actually when buying laundry product the only really
important economic apect is the price per wash load. If a package
indicates say 100 wash loads I get 200 wash loads, because I have a
water softener... and virtually all the detergent and loosened schmutz
gets rinsed out, so my clothes are actually clean while those using
hard water end up with filthy clothes... they only think they
laundered their clothes because they went through the motions.

On Jul 2, 5:05Â*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:01:28 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >Sheldon wrote:
>
> >> On Jul 1, 10:05�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> >> > Sheldon wrote:
> >> > > Why not just buy powdered milk/detergent?
>
> >> > I am *not* buying powdered milk.
>
> >> > nancy
>
> >> My reply was regarding the shipping costs for water... so what about
> >> the powdered detergent. Â*I much prefer the powdered laundry detergent,
> >> costs significantly less for more, it weighs less... I'm not paying
> >> for plastic jugs, cardboard cartons cost much less. Â*And if ever an
> >> unfortunate spillage accident I can scoop/vacuum up powder... if a
> >> gallon of liquid tips over use your imagination.
>
> >Powdered detergents has fillers in it too. Some shoppers are suckers for
> >more weight or greater volume in their purchase, but they are paying for
> >fillers not detergent..
>
> Powdered detergent makes me itch like crazy. Â*It's like using Irish
> Spring bar soap. Â*I think they put Poison Ivy in it.

You probably have hard water, and because you have hard water you are
apt to be using more product than you need, so you are hit by a double
whammy. Liquid laundry product more fully dissolves and disperses so
it does rinse out slightly better than powdered. If you use powdered
you should add the powder half way through the fill cycle, then allow
the machine to fully fill and agitate for at least two minutes before
adding any clothes...if you add the powder with the clothes it won't
all dissolve, in fact you're apt to find clumps of powder adhering to
the clothes after the wash is completed... that's one reason why so
many manufacturers have added an extra rinse cycle option, for those
who have hard water and really don't/can't comprehend laundry. Irish
Spring is a rather potent product and it contains deoderant, with hard
water you are apt to use more soap and then with hard water it doesn't
rinse off very well... you itch because after you bathe you are still
filthy... you simply traded one filth for another. A good/honest
Dermatologist will tell you to bathe every day but that it's not
necessary or even advisable to use soap each time you bathe (and never
use very hot water - cool to tepid is best). If you have hard water
you are supporting Dermatologists. An honest Dermatologist will
advise you to have your water tested... for bacteria and hardness.

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:18:41 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>On Jul 2, 5:05*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:01:28 -0400, Dave Smith

>>
>> Powdered detergent makes me itch like crazy. *It's like using Irish
>> Spring bar soap. *I think they put Poison Ivy in it.
>
>You probably have hard water, and because you have hard water you are
>apt to be using more product than you need, so you are hit by a double
>whammy.

Chicago has some of the best water in the world.

Lou

"jmcquown" wrote:
> Miche wrote:
> > Gloria P wrote:
> >> Julia Altshuler wrote:
> >>> Sky wrote:
>
> >>>> This isn't exactly the best photo, but at least it's a depiction:
> >>>>http://baptiste.us/wp-content/images/posts/jug2.jpg
>
> >>>> I used the search string "plastic square jug milk gallon new
> >>>> costco" (without the quote symbols) in the Google Images area.
>
> >>> Thanks. �It looks a little different but not wildly so. �I can see
> >>> that being able to pack the milk jugs into a refrigerated truck
> >>> would help with the fuel cost of the refrigeration.
>
> >> On two different news shows last night the hosts tried pouring milk
> >> into a glass and ended up with a significant puddle on the table.
> >> The opening of the jug is on the top, much like an anti-freeze jug,
> >> making it messy to pour, especially when the jug is full.
>
> > The problem I see is that the opening is on the corner. �NZ square
> > milk bottles have the opening in the centre of the top, and very few
> > problems with spillage.
>
> > This is a representative pictu
>
> >http://www.treehugger.com/plastic-mi...e-redesign.jpg
>
> > Miche
>
> That's the "old" one. �Here's a link showing the new ones which are more
> squared on the sides and *flat* on top so they can be stacked on pallets
> rather than delivered 4 gallons per crate:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6bnbsj

It's nice they call them "Milk Jugs"... perfect!

I'm sure someone will soon come along with some sort of plastic easy-
pour sling with a handle like they did for the one and two quart
cartons... but something slung over the shoulder to support the
greater weight... kinda like a nursing bra for F cups.


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