1,700 samples collected in Florida and Mexico tomato
processing operations, and not one tested positive
for the Salmonella strain that has sickened 869 people
across the country.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...2tomatoes.html

Now, FDA is looking at peppers, onions, and cilantro,
but they're not backing off the recommendation against
eating tomatoes because of the embarrassment of admitting
they were wrong. Instead, they've "cleared" tomatoes
from certain regions from being the culprit.

http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/hottopics/tomatoes.html

This is almost all (if not all) of the regions where
tomatoes sold in the U.S. are grown.

On Jul 2, 4:16*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> 1,700 samples collected in Florida and Mexico tomato
> processing operations, and not one tested positive
> for the Salmonella strain that has sickened 869 people
> across the country.
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...2tomatoes.html
>
> Now, FDA is looking at peppers, onions, and cilantro,
> but they're not backing off the recommendation against
> eating tomatoes because of the embarrassment of admitting
> they were wrong. *Instead, they've "cleared" tomatoes
> from certain regions from being the culprit.
>
> http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/hottopics/tomatoes.html
>
> This is almost all (if not all) of the regions where
> tomatoes sold in the U.S. are grown.


I wonder how much that little faux pas has cost the tomato industry?

Myrl Jeffcoat

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> 1,700 samples collected in Florida and Mexico tomato
> processing operations, and not one tested positive
> for the Salmonella strain that has sickened 869 people
> across the country.
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...2tomatoes.html
>
> Now, FDA is looking at peppers, onions, and cilantro,
> but they're not backing off the recommendation against
> eating tomatoes because of the embarrassment of admitting
> they were wrong. Instead, they've "cleared" tomatoes
> from certain regions from being the culprit.
>
> http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/hottopics/tomatoes.html
>
> This is almost all (if not all) of the regions where
> tomatoes sold in the U.S. are grown.

It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.

I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?

TFM®

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM® >
wrote:

>It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
>
>I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
>
>TFM®

The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. Take away a few
assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few more
scientists.

Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. CAL-OSHA was
crippled a few years ago. I don't know what happened in other states,
but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" <.> wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM® >
> wrote:
>
>>It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
>>
>>I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
>>
>>TFM®
>
> The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. Take away a few
> assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few more
> scientists.
>
> Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. CAL-OSHA was
> crippled a few years ago. I don't know what happened in other states,
> but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.


OSHA needs to be shot in the head and disbanded.

As a carpenter, I can tell you that it's physically impossible to perform my
job and be even remotely compliant with their silly rules.

It's a dangerous job. Don't get into it if you feel the need for government
protection from yourself.

When OSHA shows up, we go home. They seem to feel the need to punish the
small businessman.
I'm a walking violation of 5 OSHA rules at any given moment.

The FDA is in the same category.
Less power to government agencies, more to the people.


TFM®

TFM® > wrote:
> "sf" <.> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM®
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
> > >
> > > I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
> > >
> > > TFM®
> >
> > The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. Take away a
> > few assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few
> > more scientists.
> >
> > Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. CAL-OSHA was
> > crippled a few years ago. I don't know what happened in other
> > states, but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.
>
>
> OSHA needs to be shot in the head and disbanded.
>
> As a carpenter, I can tell you that it's physically impossible to
> perform my job and be even remotely compliant with their silly rules.
>
> It's a dangerous job. Don't get into it if you feel the need for
> government protection from yourself.
>
> When OSHA shows up, we go home. They seem to feel the need to punish
> the small businessman.
> I'm a walking violation of 5 OSHA rules at any given moment.
>
> The FDA is in the same category.
> Less power to government agencies, more to the people.
>
>
> TFM®

I was appointed the "OSHA Coordinator" at the office back in the 1980's. I
had to go around and get everyone to sign a release indicating they knew not
to eat the toner from the copier, lick the (then rubber-like) fax paper,
etc. It was ridiculous. Akin to "Do Not Iron Clothes While Wearing" labels
for the terminally stupid.

Jill

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 06:12:02 -0400, TFM® >
wrote:

>
>
>"sf" <.> wrote in message ...
>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM® >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
>>>
>>>I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
>>>
>>>TFM®
>>
>> The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. Take away a few
>> assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few more
>> scientists.
>>
>> Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. CAL-OSHA was
>> crippled a few years ago. I don't know what happened in other states,
>> but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.
>
>
>OSHA needs to be shot in the head and disbanded.
>
>As a carpenter, I can tell you that it's physically impossible to perform my
>job and be even remotely compliant with their silly rules.
>
>It's a dangerous job. Don't get into it if you feel the need for government
>protection from yourself.
>
>When OSHA shows up, we go home. They seem to feel the need to punish the
>small businessman.
>I'm a walking violation of 5 OSHA rules at any given moment.
>
>The FDA is in the same category.
>Less power to government agencies, more to the people.
>
Well, there's no arguing with that kind of logic. Suffice it to say,
I disagree.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf > wrote:

>Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth.

But... but... that would be communism!!

S.

In article > ,
says...
>
>
> "sf" <.> wrote in message ... .
> > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM® >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
> >>
> >>I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
> >>
> >>TFM®
> >
> > The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. Take away a few
> > assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few more
> > scientists.
> >
> > Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. CAL-OSHA was
> > crippled a few years ago. I don't know what happened in other states,
> > but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.
>
>
> OSHA needs to be shot in the head and disbanded.
>
> As a carpenter, I can tell you that it's physically impossible to perform my
> job and be even remotely compliant with their silly rules.
>
> It's a dangerous job. Don't get into it if you feel the need for government
> protection from yourself.
>
> When OSHA shows up, we go home. They seem to feel the need to punish the
> small businessman.
> I'm a walking violation of 5 OSHA rules at any given moment.
>
> The FDA is in the same category.
> Less power to government agencies, more to the people.

Funny you say that. I worked in a manufacturing facility that used to
get regular OSHA walk throughs. They always cited us for something even
though we were following all procedures like lock out/tag out, etc. Most
of it was due to some of the equipment being very old.

In article >,
says...
> TFM® > wrote:
> > "sf" <.> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM®
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
> > > >
> > > > I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
> > > >
> > > > TFM®
> > >
> > > The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. Take away a
> > > few assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few
> > > more scientists.
> > >
> > > Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. CAL-OSHA was
> > > crippled a few years ago. I don't know what happened in other
> > > states, but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.
> >
> >
> > OSHA needs to be shot in the head and disbanded.
> >
> > As a carpenter, I can tell you that it's physically impossible to
> > perform my job and be even remotely compliant with their silly rules.
> >
> > It's a dangerous job. Don't get into it if you feel the need for
> > government protection from yourself.
> >
> > When OSHA shows up, we go home. They seem to feel the need to punish
> > the small businessman.
> > I'm a walking violation of 5 OSHA rules at any given moment.
> >
> > The FDA is in the same category.
> > Less power to government agencies, more to the people.
> >
> >
> > TFM®
>
> I was appointed the "OSHA Coordinator" at the office back in the 1980's. I
> had to go around and get everyone to sign a release indicating they knew not
> to eat the toner from the copier, lick the (then rubber-like) fax paper,
> etc. It was ridiculous. Akin to "Do Not Iron Clothes While Wearing" labels
> for the terminally stupid.
>
> Jill
>
>

The terminally stupid, I like that. Having said that there was an
illegal immigrant who got himself mangled in a CNC machine in RI
recently. He won a huge award against the employer and OSHA slammed the
shit out of the employer too. I doubt they're still in business.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:45:48 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

>sf > wrote:
>
>>Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth.
>
>But... but... that would be communism!!
>
>S.

yes. god forbid we force employers to provide equipment that doesn't
maim the employees.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Jul 3, 3:12*am, TFM® > wrote:
> "sf" <.> wrote in messagenews:rpro64d1dbng1souahb7gvuhgtnamjj86c@4ax .com....
> > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM® >
> > wrote:
>
> >>It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
>
> >>I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
>
> >>TFM®
>
> > The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. *Take away a few
> > assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few more
> > scientists.
>
> > Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. *CAL-OSHA was
> > crippled a few years ago. *I don't know what happened in other states,
> > but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> OSHA needs to be shot in the head and disbanded.
>
> As a carpenter, I can tell you that it's physically impossible to perform my
> job and be even remotely compliant with their silly rules.
>
> It's a dangerous job. *Don't get into it if you feel the need for government
> protection from yourself.
>
> When OSHA shows up, we go home. *They seem to feel the need to punish the
> small businessman.
> I'm a walking violation of 5 OSHA rules at any given moment.
>
> The FDA is in the same category.
> Less power to government agencies, more to the people.
>
> TFM®

This sounds like the tradesmen I know. On the other hand,
I've seen all sorts of fool things take place in industry that
were clearly preventable. Men drawn into huge augers for
want of guard, explosions (plural) due a complete lack of chemistry
background, men toasted by electricity in a wet environment due
to a lack of sealing and adequate grounding,
men poisoned to death by contact with HF or people who had their lungs
burned because the boss claimed activated carbon filter mask was
enough when
a self contained unit was vital. Some of this was OSHA and WISHA.

I also recall the safety boneheads being concern about all the "toxic"
spills
taking place in the local national lab. It was only acetone, LOL.
The chemists and techs cured them by reporting every event.

On the other hand, I seen industrial machines made nearly unrunnable
because
of additional safety equipment. And injuries due to the safety
equipement as well.

On Jul 3, 4:44*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> TFM® > wrote:
> > "sf" <.> wrote in message
> .. .
> > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM®
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
>
> > > > I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
>
> > > > TFM®
>
> > > The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. *Take away a
> > > few assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few
> > > more scientists.
>
> > > Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. *CAL-OSHA was
> > > crippled a few years ago. *I don't know what happened in other
> > > states, but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> > OSHA needs to be shot in the head and disbanded.
>
> > As a carpenter, I can tell you that it's physically impossible to
> > perform my job and be even remotely compliant with their silly rules.
>
> > It's a dangerous job. *Don't get into it if you feel the need for
> > government protection from yourself.
>
> > When OSHA shows up, we go home. *They seem to feel the need to punish
> > the small businessman.
> > I'm a walking violation of 5 OSHA rules at any given moment.
>
> > The FDA is in the same category.
> > Less power to government agencies, more to the people.
>
> > TFM®
>
> I was appointed the "OSHA Coordinator" at the office back in the 1980's. *I
> had to go around and get everyone to sign a release indicating they knew not
> to eat the toner from the copier, lick the (then rubber-like) fax paper,
> etc. *It was ridiculous. *Akin to "Do Not Iron Clothes While Wearing" labels
> for the terminally stupid.
>
> Jill

I recall a junior manager in one industrial realizing that he had a
basement full
of toxic waste/old ink. He solved the problem by having his boys print
with
it for the next decade. Carbon black and cheese cloth can do wonders
to quote Jack.

On Jul 3, 12:50*pm, T > wrote:
> In article > ,
> says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "sf" <.> wrote in messagenews:rpro64d1dbng1souahb7gvuhgtnamjj86c@4ax .com...
> > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:02:51 -0400, TFM® >
> > > wrote:
>
> > >>It's cost the Ruskin (Florida) tomato growers millions.
>
> > >>I'm kinda bent on the whole issue, but what can I do?
>
> > >>TFM®
>
> > > The FDA is lacking something vital, that's for sure. *Take away a few
> > > assistants from congressmen (or higher) and give the FDA a few more
> > > scientists.
>
> > > Another thing we have to do is give OSHA some teeth. *CAL-OSHA was
> > > crippled a few years ago. *I don't know what happened in other states,
> > > but CA has to be just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> > OSHA needs to be shot in the head and disbanded.
>
> > As a carpenter, I can tell you that it's physically impossible to perform my
> > job and be even remotely compliant with their silly rules.
>
> > It's a dangerous job. *Don't get into it if you feel the need for government
> > protection from yourself.
>
> > When OSHA shows up, we go home. *They seem to feel the need to punish the
> > small businessman.
> > I'm a walking violation of 5 OSHA rules at any given moment.
>
> > The FDA is in the same category.
> > Less power to government agencies, more to the people.
>
> Funny you say that. I worked in a manufacturing facility that used to
> get regular OSHA walk throughs. They always cited us for something even
> though we were following all procedures like lock out/tag out, etc. Most
> of it was due to some of the equipment being very old.

The FDA was a true hoot most of the time. The plants were warned
ahead of time and workers were reassigned for the visit.
The USDA when they kept inspectors on site did make some
difference provided it didn't look like their next job was to
be in industry/ for a corporation.