On Sun 06 Jul 2008 09:24:59a, ChattyCathy told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 08:28:00a, ChattyCathy told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What color is your tile, Cathy? In a previous home in Ohio, we had
>>>> an almond color ceramic tile put down by the previous owner, with no
>>>> spares on hand. There were a couple of tiles that had hairline
>>>> cracks and a couple that had tiny chips in them which revealed the
>>>> darker color below the almond glaze. I bought a bottle of almond
>>>> colored appliance touch up paint. Working very quickly I used a tiny
>>>> brush to force the paint into the cracks and chips, quickly wiping
>>>> all excess off the surface. They damages were virtually invisible
>>>> unless you were down on your knees looking for them. Something to
>>>> consider.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne,
>>>
>>> Our tiles in the kitchen/laundry have a sort of very light 'peachy'
>>> background color with patches/swirls(?) of various shades of brown in
>>> them. We did fill in the crack with some grouting (if that's what it's
>>> called?) that we tried to make the same color as the main part of the
>>> tile with some coloring - but like I said it still shows if you look
>>> closely. Irritates the cr*p outta me, because the previous owners left
>>> a whole bunch of other useless stuff behind in the yard and they only
>>> picked up some of it - sigh. A couple of spare tiles would have been a
>>> god-send, but I never thought to ask if they had any before they
>>> left... silly me.
>>
>> Well, sorry. It was just a thought. :-(
>>
> Oops. I didn't mean to sound rude or offend you, but we also had the
> same idea and it didn't quite come off the way we hoped...which was a
> real bummer. Maybe if the tiles were a 'solid color' it would have been
> just fine. I could kick myself for not being more careful, but as they
> say, this kinda sh*t happens, so I just wanted to warn Goomba to keep
> spares if she goes that route ;-)

You're never rude and could never offend me, Cathy. It would definitely be
hard to achieve with the coloration of the tiles you have. Mine were a
solid color. Hey, we all have accidents...it happens. It's less likely to
happen with porcelain tiles than with ceramic tiles, as the porcelain is
much harder.

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On Sun 06 Jul 2008 09:29:51a, Jane told us...

> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 16:58:57, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 06:51:25a, Billy told us...
>>
>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:09:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have black appliances.
>>>
>>> So..what's your secret to keeping them spotless?
>>> I have two black dishwashers on either side of the sink and they
>>> always need maintainence.
>>
>> A 3:2 mixture of water and white vinegar. Wash down with a
>> saturated but wrung out rag, followed by a drying/buffing with a
>> dry soft cloth.
>>
>
> I was going to guess you would say a weak solution of ammonia. I can't
> stand the stuff. It's horrible and try never to use it. However I keep
> seeing ammonia recommended as a cleaning agent even nowadays.
>

Ammonia is a very good cleaning product, but your right about the odor. In
fact, it can actually damage your lung tissue. I seldom use, and then it's
usually outside. The other problem with ammonia is that it can leave
streaks. Vinegar generally never streaks.

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enigma wrote:
>
> i have ceramic tile. i HATE it! it's hard. it's ugly (ceramic
> scratches fairly easily. we have a farm, & the side door
> enters into the kitchen, so mud & sand are constantly tracked
> in). it's noisy. it's freaking *cold*! it's really hard to
> clean, which surprised me. i figured it'd be tougher than
> vinyl & just sweep clean. wrong! it's almost as easy to
> scratch as vinyl & the grout joints collect dirt & stain
> really easily. i'm not sure exactly how old my ceramic floor
> is, but the grout is cracking &/or falling out in a lot of
> places (granted it's laid right over a wide pine floor with no
> underlayment or levelling). did i say i HATE it? it's going to
> be a pain in the butt to get rid of it too.
> when i redo the kitchen i'll put in real linoleum. it's
> comfortable, way warmer than tile, & easier to clean (no
> joints, no cracks, no grout). then i'll get a Scooba

Heh. I suppose there are tiles and tiles. We also stay on a small holding
(it's not big enough to be called a farm here in RSA), with mud etc.
trailed in all the time, (not to mention some chicken poo, if Dad forgets
to change his shoes <grin>). I find my tiles very easy to keep clean, and I
haven't seen any scratches. (Just the crack I caused when I wasn't being
careful enough when I had my 'accident' and the pestle fell on them). We
just use one of those 'squeeze mop' thingies with some water and a bit of
household detergent (one of the ones that kills 'germs'). I haven't noticed
much dirt build up in the grouting, nor has it come out and there are no
worn patches in the tiles themselves. We've been here 5 years already - and
I have no idea when the previous owners put them in - judging by the
designs and/or size, probably a good few years before that.

IME, linoleum scratches very easily. My Mom had it in her kitchen and dining
room when I was a child, and our big Alsatian used to sneak in to the
dining room to sleep under the table - and her claws left awful marks. At
the first opportunity Mom put in tiles. I suppose as long you don't allow
your dogs on it, it would be fine. Mind you that was years and years ago -
probably the linoleum they make these days is better quality...

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Goomba wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
> >
> > So, if you do go for tile, may I suggest you get a few extras
> and keep them - just in case?
>
> Excellent advice!

No extra brain cells needed for that one... that's true of any
flooring, even with carpeting having an exra piece can repair a stain
or burn. In fact with any product it's advisable to have some extra,
like paints, fabrics, even fence slats and house siding and roofing
shingles... anyone who knits/sews knows to save some extra of the same
lot number... that's why better garments have extra buttons sewn into
a hidden spot.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright >
> 6.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not to
>> mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>
> A lot of people like SS appliances. I don't think it's for us either. We
> chose white. We might have made a mistake with the refrigerator. It's a
> pretty tight squeeze in the space we have it in.
>
> Michael

I was actually looking for this burnished copper I recently saw on
appliances in a magazine, but no one has it (yet!?) around here. I just
wanted something different. Every color has its pros and cons. Sadly
stainless steel jacks up the price. Is it because it is currently
fashionable or is it the actual material cost itself?
We went with Stainless because hubby wanted it. Oddly I find I acquiesce
a lot to him on his preferences in this re-do because he's being so
cheerful about this whole expensive project. Our cabinet pulls are also
stainless "cup" style because it reminds me of the old butler's pantry
functional look which I love.

Goomba wrote:

> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

We bought this house, had the carpet removed and replaced it with
hardwood floors. We did this throughout the entire house. We have only
been here one year, and we have not experienced any problems. I was
concerned about having problems the kitchen and the bathrooms, too.

The wood floors do not seem as "hard" on my feet as the floors I had at
work. Good luck with your decision.

Becca

Felice wrote:

> The Pergo was a winner, partly because it looked great but also because I
> could choose a color to match the carpet in an adjoining sitting area.
>
> My Senior Daughter has real wood, which is gorgeous and doesn't seem to show
> wear and tear.
>
> Given my druthers, especially if color is a big factor, I'd go for Pergo.
>
> Felice
>
I've heard that Pergo dents easily though? Table and chair legs dig in
or something? Our kitchen chairs are wonderful rolling things that we
hope to keep a long time (they're already almost 20 years old!) because
I had them reupholstered and love.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 09:50:20a, Goomba told us...

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> Wayne Boatwright >
>> 6.120: in
>> rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not to
>>> mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>>
>> A lot of people like SS appliances. I don't think it's for us either.
We
>> chose white. We might have made a mistake with the refrigerator. It's a
>> pretty tight squeeze in the space we have it in.
>>
>> Michael
>
> I was actually looking for this burnished copper I recently saw on
> appliances in a magazine, but no one has it (yet!?) around here. I just
> wanted something different. Every color has its pros and cons. Sadly
> stainless steel jacks up the price. Is it because it is currently
> fashionable or is it the actual material cost itself?

It's probably both. I can just imagine what the cost of the burnished
copper would be. Copper is far more expensive a metal than SS.

> We went with Stainless because hubby wanted it. Oddly I find I acquiesce
> a lot to him on his preferences in this re-do because he's being so
> cheerful about this whole expensive project. Our cabinet pulls are also
> stainless "cup" style because it reminds me of the old butler's pantry
> functional look which I love.
>



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On Jul 6, 12:22�pm, Goomba > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > I love my hardwood (Brazilian cherry) kitchen floor... I have the same
> > floor in a half bath and my laundry room too.. with the new space age
> > sealers and cleaning systems moisture is not a problem. �Whichever
> > material make sure to have the floor installed full room/wall to wall,
> > *before* cabinets/appliances go in, most especially if you choose
> > tile.
>
> Hmmmmmm...I could have sworn our installer said to do the cabinets first
> to save money? He didn't recommend putting costly flooring under
> appliances but �he'd be shimming up the cabinets a bit higher to
> compensate for the height of tile if we used it and it would avoid the
> appliances being a skosh lower than the floor.

To save HIM money. Materials are cheap compared with labor and the
tilers are there anyway... any contractor tells you that BS is a
cheat... if you let him shim over bare subfloor or tile up to cabinets
you will end up with a very unworkmanship like job. Make sure they
tile under appliances and inside any closets too... and remove the
molding and then put it back after tiling to the wall. He only has to
race to the bank with your check before you realize what a dummy you
are. But hey, you believe who you like.

Alan > wrote:

>On Sun 06 Jul 2008 16:49:34, Steve Pope wrote:

>> (My biomechanics guy admonished me "don't walk around the
>> house barefoot!" and damned if he isn't absolutely correct,
>> in my case.)

>I would guess that walking barefoot upsets the strike of the foot as
>well as shifting the body backwards when standing on accout of the
>missing heel. Right?

>To say nothing of the extra impact you get from no cushioning by a
>shoes.

It all depends on the individual. In my case, wearing shoes
(of the right sort) reduces motion at the joint that is
not functioning normally. It also reduces the chances of
re-injury. It's a good deal all around.

Steve

In article 0>,
says...
> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 09:23:01a, Jane told us...
>
> > On Sun 06 Jul 2008 14:09:21, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 05:37:30a, Nancy Young told us...
> >>
> >>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> Nancy Young > wrote:
> >>>>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>> Goomba > wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen,
> >>>>>>> breakfast room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom.
> >>>>>>> The rest of the downstairs is hardwood.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I personally have no problem with vinyl, although the people on
> >>>>>> HGTV would cringe if you suggested it!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They put down vinyl tile often.
> >>>
> >>>> I only see them rip it up and put down slate or something
> >>>> similar. I must be watching the wrong shows! And stainless
> >>>> appliances, UGH. As in, UGLY. Sorry, I just don't see the appeal.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know what they think of it, they are putting in what
> >>> sells. People like it. It's not for me.
> >>>
> >>> nancy
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not
> >> to mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
> >>
> >
> > I like black too but I would have thought black was hard work.
> >
> > Wouldn't the smallest fingerprint on a black surface get picked out
> > by the light and stand out? Also any drying marks from wiping a
> > black surface with a damp cloth.
> >
>
> It's not that hard, really. I wipe them down with a solution of water and
> white vinegar, followed by a dry soft cloth to dry and buff. It glistens.
> SS is ar more work.
>


I am a philistine and like white. Nice and practical. Well, sort of!

Sheldon wrote:

> Goomba wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> >
>> > So, if you do go for tile, may I suggest you get a few extras
>> and keep them - just in case?
>>
>> Excellent advice!
>
> No extra brain cells needed for that one... that's true of any
> flooring, even with carpeting having an exra piece can repair a stain
> or burn. In fact with any product it's advisable to have some extra,
> like paints, fabrics, even fence slats and house siding and roofing
> shingles... anyone who knits/sews knows to save some extra of the same
> lot number... that's why better garments have extra buttons sewn into
> a hidden spot.

Fair enough - if you have had the flooring or carpeting put in yourself. In
my case the flooring was in situ, and my biggest mistake was forgetting to
ask the previous owners if they had any spares.

Another thing. If you do the work yourself and/or buy the flooring/materials
yourself, you usually have a few spares, and you get to keep them by
default. However, IME, if one has contractors in to do the whole job,
unless you specifically ask them, they hot-foot it out there with anything
that's left over - using the excuse that they are 'cleaning up' after the
job. Obviously, we do as much DIY as we can, because of that.
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Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

Janet Bostwick wrote:

>
> A friend had a hardwood floor installed in her kitchen (I can't remember for
> sure, maybe 7-8 years ago). I know that they had the hard duty finish
> applied to it. In the spots where she usually stands to prep food, there is
> an ugly grey worn spot. This isn't water spillage, it is simply worn
> through the finish. The spot began to be noticeable about 18 months ago and
> now it can't be missed.
> Janet
>
>

That's why I have small rugs in front of the sink and stove since we had
our oak floors refinished about 10 years ago. Those were the only spots
that really showed wear. I have two sets of rugs and alternate when one
set goes into the washer when they show spots. The floor underneath is
still in very good condition. Once the finish has worn down to the wood
refinishing is the only solution.

gloria p

Sheldon wrote:
>
> Installation well underway:
> http://i28.tinypic.com/2rf80m9.jpg
>
> Turned out lovely:
> http://i32.tinypic.com/20b0k14.jpg
>
> http://i25.tinypic.com/2lo5bf6.jpg
>
> http://i26.tinypic.com/2vv2erc.jpg
>
> It's been five years now and I have absolutely no regrets.
>

Those are GORGEOUS floors, Shel.
What do you mop them with?
What is the long thin "rod" looking thing next to the kitchen faucet.
The faucet appears to have the built in sprayer in the faucet itself, so
I can't figure out that little rod?

"Becca" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba wrote:
>
>> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
>> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
>> downstairs is hardwood.
>>
>> Thanks for any input
>> Goomba
>
> We bought this house, had the carpet removed and replaced it with hardwood
> floors. We did this throughout the entire house. We have only been here
> one year, and we have not experienced any problems. I was concerned about
> having problems the kitchen and the bathrooms, too.
>
> The wood floors do not seem as "hard" on my feet as the floors I had at
> work. Good luck with your decision.
>
> Becca

Becca,

You live in Louisiana right? Like others have written I don't care for the
Pergo stuff. I'd like to put real hardwood in the kitchen and maybe dining
room. So it's feasible? Currently we have ceramic tile.

Chris

On Jul 6, 11:40�am, "Janet Bostwick" > wrote:
>
> A friend had a hardwood floor installed in her kitchen (I can't remember for
> sure, maybe 7-8 years ago). �I know that they had the hard duty finish
> applied to it. �In the spots where she usually stands to prep food, there is
> an ugly grey worn spot. �This isn't water spillage, it is simply worn
> through the finish. �The spot began to be noticeable about 18 months ago and
> now it can't be missed.

That will occur with any flooring. Your friend obviously doesn't
believe in floor mats or cleaning her floor... even with floor mats if
sand/grit is permitted to accumulate it will erode the floor. My wood
floor is five years old and you'd need to look very hard to find even
a very small scratch/blemish... and in fact the two that exist are not
anywhere near work stations, both are from dropped food tins, would
likely have cracked tile or cut vinyl. Both were my own fault for
leaving the tins at the edge of the counter when I know that two of my
cats think it's great fun to knock things to the floor. Those dents
are practically invisable, only I know they're there... you kinda have
to feel them as you can't see them unless you get down on the floor
with a flashlight... in summer when there's a bit more humidity the
wood swells and they disappear completely. I can have them removed
but it doesn't pay to have the floor installer come for ten minutes
work (he has a machine that sucks dents out and "puffs" the area with
floor finish.

I use floor mats, mostly because they protect the floor from grease
spatter in front of the stove, they are easy on the feet, and just
look nice.

I don't worry about blemishes, with age I've acquired plenty myself.

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:37:48 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
>hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
>was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
>concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting
>older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically
>poor choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended
>periods. I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood
>and impact absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
>jarring to your body.

I hate tile to begin with, so I'd never consider it... but we've lived
next door to our neighbors for 30 years and she did it at one time.
I'd say she was in her early 60's at the time. She took it out for
all the reasons you stated. It was hard standing on it, every little
thing she dropped broke (and IMO, it would be hard to clean too - I
HATE grout).

>Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens,
>are they?? I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it
>might be fairly "green" as well as good cost.

I'm still unclear why you're not considering bamboo.


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Mae West

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 08:37:30 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>I don't know what they think of it, they are putting in what sells.
>People like it. It's not for me.

The corners of vinyl tile tends to lift easily, but it's a quick
facelift. If they put down vinyl tile in kitchens or baths, it's
usually on the show where they're getting the house ready to be sold
and money ($2,000) is running out.

Slate or anything that's expensive is on the shows where the house
owner has a big budget for them to work with. Just go to the web site
and look. You can give them a huge budget to work, with if you've got
the money. I watched one show where they moved the site of a swimming
pool (dug out the old one and put in a brand new one) in the midst of
a complete back yard redo. That was a real jaw dropper.


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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:11:54 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\"" >
wrote:

>We might have made a mistake with the refrigerator. It's a
>pretty tight squeeze in the space we have it in.

I take it you didn't go with french doors.


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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:13:30 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Giusi wrote:
>
>> I have been blaming "the day after" backaches on my age, but lately I have
>> been hearing much younger peiople claim it is the tile or stone floors we
>> all have. Mind you, I don't experience it unless I have spent a 10 or 12
>> hour day working, so who knows?
>
>yeah, that's exactly what I'd like to avoid or protect against. I get
>enough wear and tear on my back and legs at work that I'd like to pamper
>them a bit more at home.

I have been reading that cork is very good for comfort. Seems to be
the rage in professional cooking circles...

Christine

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:50:20 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Is it because it is currently
>fashionable or is it the actual material cost itself?

It's expensive because it's the fashion now. If white or black were
what people were willing to pay top dollar for, they'd be the most
expensive.


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Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> Linoleum IS green AND warm AND clean AND very comfy underfoot AND
>totally waterproof but not slippy AND kind to dropped dishes and you
>can get a huge range of colours, patterns etc. It's very. very
>hardwearing, far superior to vinyl. We laid and fitted sheet linoleum
>in a bathroom and as a pretty skilled DIY pair, I can tell you we will
>never DIY that job again., at least, not unless I want grounds for
>divorce . If a large pot of money comes my way, I would love to get the
>entire kitchen laid with linoleum..by someone else.

It's a little more expensive than vinyl, with fewer choices
of colors/patterns, but the contractors who install vinyl
do linoleum as well. They like it, in fact, since they are
so bored from installing vinyl on every job they like doing
linoleum as a change of pace.

You have to keep it waxed, forever. It should last about 200
years. The highest grades of vinyl can last 25 to 40 years in
a kitchen, cheap grade 10 years or less. Over the long term
linoleum will save you money.

Steve

Christine Dabney > wrote:

>I have been reading that cork is very good for comfort. Seems to be
>the rage in professional cooking circles...

Now that CAN'T be green.

Steve

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:13:43 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>I'd have soft wood in the kitchen

"Soft" wood, like pine? That's a no. Ever had pine furniture? It
dings easily.



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Mae West

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:10:33a, Steve Pope told us...

> Christine Dabney > wrote:
>
>>I have been reading that cork is very good for comfort. Seems to be
>>the rage in professional cooking circles...
>
> Now that CAN'T be green.
>
> Steve
>

Wrong. Cork is a naturallly sustainable resource.

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Goomba wrote:

> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at
> the best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting
> older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically
> poor choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended
> periods. I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood
> and impact absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
> jarring to your body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens,
> are they?? I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it
> might be fairly "green" as well as good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.

I like my ceramic tile kitchen floor. It is very easy to clean. Just add a
little dish detergent and vinegar to some water, mop it. The only problem is
that our tile is eggshell and it shows all the dirt. Just be especially
careful about dropping things on it, because the tile is very unforgiving.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:11:11a, told us...

> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:13:43 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:
>
>>I'd have soft wood in the kitchen
>
> "Soft" wood, like pine? That's a no. Ever had pine furniture? It
> dings easily.

But it's easily restained and the "dings" add to a nicely distressed look.
:-)


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Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> You're never rude and could never offend me, Cathy.

> It would definitely
> be
> hard to achieve with the coloration of the tiles you have. Mine were a
> solid color. Hey, we all have accidents...it happens. It's less likely
> to happen with porcelain tiles than with ceramic tiles, as the porcelain
> is much harder.
>

Yup. But that damn pestle... it's heavy marble; it must have 'hit just the
right spot' - dammit. Murphy's Law, I suppose. I've dropped other things on
the same flooring with no ill effects to the flooring... But gawd - don't
drop a drinking glass on it, the shards go *everywhere* - or any crockery
for that matter...
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Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:11:11a, told us...
>
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:13:43 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>I'd have soft wood in the kitchen
>>
>> "Soft" wood, like pine? That's a no. Ever had pine furniture? It
>> dings easily.
>
> But it's easily restained and the "dings" add to a nicely distressed look.
> :-)
>
>
ROFL. 'a nicely distressed look'. I like it ;-)
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 08:37:30 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know what they think of it, they are putting in what sells.
>> People like it. It's not for me.
>
> The corners of vinyl tile tends to lift easily, but it's a quick
> facelift.

FWIW, the above comment of mine was about SS appliances.

> Slate or anything that's expensive is on the shows where the house
> owner has a big budget for them to work with. Just go to the web site
> and look. You can give them a huge budget to work, with if you've got
> the money. I watched one show where they moved the site of a swimming
> pool (dug out the old one and put in a brand new one) in the midst of
> a complete back yard redo. That was a real jaw dropper.

People drop amounts of money on their yards that is astonishing.
To each their own, of course, if you use your yard a lot, what the
heck.

nancy

ChattyCathy wrote:

> Another thing. If you do the work yourself and/or buy the
> flooring/materials yourself, you usually have a few spares, and you
> get to keep them by default. However, IME, if one has contractors in
> to do the whole job, unless you specifically ask them, they hot-foot
> it out there with anything that's left over - using the excuse that
> they are 'cleaning up' after the job.

Oh, I was steamed! If I had known the guy was going to take
off with my extra tile, I would have hidden a box. He's the one
who told me how much to order, now I know why. Not that it
was a lot, but I have a cracked tile I'd like to replace.

What a rip off.

nancy

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:39:12a, ChattyCathy told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> You're never rude and could never offend me, Cathy.
>
>> It would definitely be
>> hard to achieve with the coloration of the tiles you have. Mine were a
>> solid color. Hey, we all have accidents...it happens. It's less
>> likely to happen with porcelain tiles than with ceramic tiles, as the
>> porcelain is much harder.
>>
>
> Yup. But that damn pestle... it's heavy marble; it must have 'hit just
> the right spot' - dammit. Murphy's Law, I suppose. I've dropped other
> things on the same flooring with no ill effects to the flooring... But
> gawd - don't drop a drinking glass on it, the shards go *everywhere* -
> or any crockery for that matter...

I understand about tile floors...had them in two previous homes. Anything
with mass, like a piece of marble or granite, or a cast iron pan will
definitely mess up the tile, either cracking or chipping it. Yet, as
you've found out, glasses, crockery, and dishes don't fair so well when
they hit the tile.

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Wayne Boatwright
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Goomba wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:

>> http://i26.tinypic.com/2vv2erc.jpg

> Those are GORGEOUS floors, Shel.

Indeed.

> What do you mop them with?
> What is the long thin "rod" looking thing next to the kitchen faucet.
> The faucet appears to have the built in sprayer in the faucet itself,
> so I can't figure out that little rod?

And *what* is that cat doing on the counter?? Hmmm??
Heh. I don't know why, I seem to wind up with cats who
can't even jump on the bed.

nancy

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:50:20 -0400, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>>Is it because it is currently
>>fashionable or is it the actual material cost itself?
>
> It's expensive because it's the fashion now. If white or black were
> what people were willing to pay top dollar for, they'd be the most
> expensive.
>
>

Everything is relative. SS is actually cheaper now, by comparison, than it
was 20 years ago. My Bertazzoni stove would have been cheaper in all SS
that in color since the color is applied over the SS.

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> What brand/model would that be?
>
> GE's Profile PGB910SEM, a five burner gas range with continuous grates,
> this very cool looking 5th "bridge" burner (which comes with a removable
> griddle) which should be great for some of our larger pans that we put
> over two burners now. We ordered it from Sears and got a good holiday sale
> price.

Good choice. I looked at that too. You'll love the continuous grates

Goomba > wrote in news:6dcd7mF1jlf0U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> Installation well underway:
>> http://i28.tinypic.com/2rf80m9.jpg
>>
>> Turned out lovely:
>> http://i32.tinypic.com/20b0k14.jpg
>>
>> http://i25.tinypic.com/2lo5bf6.jpg
>>
>> http://i26.tinypic.com/2vv2erc.jpg
>>
>> It's been five years now and I have absolutely no regrets.
>>
>
> Those are GORGEOUS floors, Shel.
> What do you mop them with?
> What is the long thin "rod" looking thing next to the kitchen faucet.
> The faucet appears to have the built in sprayer in the faucet itself,
so
> I can't figure out that little rod?
>

Perhaps it is either a water filter or a instant hot water dealie...I'm
betting on the instant hot water supply gizmo.

--

The house of the burning beet-Alan

Nancy Young wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> Another thing. If you do the work yourself and/or buy the
>> flooring/materials yourself, you usually have a few spares, and you
>> get to keep them by default. However, IME, if one has contractors in
>> to do the whole job, unless you specifically ask them, they hot-foot
>> it out there with anything that's left over - using the excuse that
>> they are 'cleaning up' after the job.
>
> Oh, I was steamed! If I had known the guy was going to take
> off with my extra tile, I would have hidden a box. He's the one
> who told me how much to order, now I know why. Not that it
> was a lot, but I have a cracked tile I'd like to replace.
>
> What a rip off.

Quite so. Make no mistake one is charged for whatever they buy, so if they
are short of two more tiles to finish a room, they have to buy another
box - which comes in 1.8 square meters per box - at least that's the norm
here. (Sorry not sure how much that is in square feet, off the top of my
head). So now we either DIY, or 'demand' anything that's leftover - heck we
paid for it...
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:36:46 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:11:11a, told us...
>
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:13:43 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>I'd have soft wood in the kitchen
>>
>> "Soft" wood, like pine? That's a no. Ever had pine furniture? It
>> dings easily.
>
>But it's easily restained and the "dings" add to a nicely distressed look.
>:-)

Depending on the finish, of course. I still would *not* want a pine
floor.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:10:33a, Steve Pope told us...

>> Now that CAN'T be green.

>Wrong. Cork is a naturallly sustainable resource.

Ooops, you're right. The current claim is that cork forests
are endangered by declining cork usage. The fears of
overharvesting are in the past (for now).

Steve

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 12:14:14p, told us...

> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:36:46 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:11:11a, told us...
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:13:43 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'd have soft wood in the kitchen
>>>
>>> "Soft" wood, like pine? That's a no. Ever had pine furniture? It
dings
>>> easily.
>>
>>But it's easily restained and the "dings" add to a nicely distressed
look.
>>:-)
>
> Depending on the finish, of course. I still would *not* want a pine
> floor.
>
>

I probably would want one either, but I have seen an old kitchen with a
wide plank heart pine floor that was really beautiful. The floor was very
old.

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Wayne Boatwright
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