Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> I have seen an old kitchen with a wide plank heart pine floor
> that was really beautiful. The floor was very old.

They're pretty popular in vacation homes and cabins ... places
where you don't live year round, so a few huge gouges and
dings don't really get on your nerves in the few weeks you
are there.

Steve

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Goomba" > wrote

>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> What brand/model would that be?
>>
>> GE's Profile PGB910SEM, a five burner gas range with continuous
>> grates, this very cool looking 5th "bridge" burner (which comes with
>> a removable griddle) which should be great for some of our larger
>> pans that we put over two burners now. We ordered it from Sears and
>> got a good holiday sale price.
>
> Good choice. I looked at that too. You'll love the continuous grates

It took me a while to get used to the idea of the continuous
grates because the stove surface is flat all across except where
there are burners. I got over it. I'm very happy with the continuous
grates. However, I can't get the middle burner to light all the way
around, despite cleaning it. Don't know what the problem is.

nancy

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing. If you do the work yourself and/or buy the
>>> flooring/materials yourself, you usually have a few spares, and you
>>> get to keep them by default. However, IME, if one has contractors in
>>> to do the whole job, unless you specifically ask them, they hot-foot
>>> it out there with anything that's left over - using the excuse that
>>> they are 'cleaning up' after the job.
>>
>> Oh, I was steamed! If I had known the guy was going to take
>> off with my extra tile, I would have hidden a box. He's the one
>> who told me how much to order, now I know why. Not that it
>> was a lot, but I have a cracked tile I'd like to replace.
>>
>> What a rip off.
>
> Quite so. Make no mistake one is charged for whatever they buy,

Even worse, he told me what to buy, I am the one who went
and bought it. Little did I know he thought that made it his
property.

> so if
> they are short of two more tiles to finish a room, they have to buy
> another
> box - which comes in 1.8 square meters per box - at least that's the
> norm here. (Sorry not sure how much that is in square feet, off the
> top of my head). So now we either DIY, or 'demand' anything that's
> leftover - heck we paid for it...

I learned my lesson.

nancy

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 12:30:28p, Gregory Morrow told us...

>
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright >
>> 6.120: in
>> rec.food.cooking
>>
>> > Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not
to
>> > mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>>
>> A lot of people like SS appliances. I don't think it's for us either.
We
>> chose white.
>
>
> If it was 50 years ago you could have chosen pink, darling...and IIRC
> Kelvinator even made *two - tone* fridges, following the two - tone
> automobile fad 'o the day...
>
> ;-)

They did, indeed. And GE offered not only pink, but yellow, turquoise, and
cocoa. GE also coordinated their appliances with Youngstown cabinets for
matching colors, and with Kohler for matching sink colors.

My first apartment was outfitted in GE turquoise appliances...fridge,
cooktop, built-in oven, turquoise Youngstown cabinets, and Kohler turquoise
sink. Not too terrible, until you realized that the builder had combined
all of this with pink Formica patterned countertops and a brown linoleum
floor. The apartment complex had been built in the late 1950s.


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Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright >
> 6.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
> > Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not to
> > mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>
> A lot of people like SS appliances. I don't think it's for us either. We
> chose white.


If it was 50 years ago you could have chosen pink, darling...and IIRC
Kelvinator even made *two - tone* fridges, following the two - tone
automobile fad 'o the day...

;-)


--
Best
Greg

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at the
> best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting older
> now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically poor
> choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended periods.
> I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood and impact
> absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more jarring to your
> body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens, are they?? I'm
> also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it might be fairly
> "green" as well as good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

If I ever have a chance to rebuild a kitchen I would do a nice tile like in
Mexico and a small DRAIN in the middle - get the impression a spill a lot.
:-)


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

"Goomba" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> Giusi wrote:
>
>> I have been blaming "the day after" backaches on my age, but lately I
>> have been hearing much younger peiople claim it is the tile or stone
>> floors we all have. Mind you, I don't experience it unless I have spent
>> a 10 or 12 hour day working, so who knows?
>
> yeah, that's exactly what I'd like to avoid or protect against. I get
> enough wear and tear on my back and legs at work that I'd like to pamper
> them a bit more at home.

I tried Crocs last week when I had a job cooking. The temperature was
hovering around 100°F in there. Within minutes they had cut through my skin
in two places. You have to be willing to wear socks if you use them for
softness.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 12:30:28p, Gregory Morrow told us...
>
> >
> > Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> >
> >> Wayne Boatwright >
> >> 6.120: in
> >> rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >> > Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not
> to
> >> > mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
> >>
> >> A lot of people like SS appliances. I don't think it's for us either.
> We
> >> chose white.
> >
> >
> > If it was 50 years ago you could have chosen pink, darling...and IIRC
> > Kelvinator even made *two - tone* fridges, following the two - tone
> > automobile fad 'o the day...
> >
> > ;-)
>
> They did, indeed. And GE offered not only pink, but yellow, turquoise,
and
> cocoa. GE also coordinated their appliances with Youngstown cabinets for
> matching colors, and with Kohler for matching sink colors.
>
> My first apartment was outfitted in GE turquoise appliances...fridge,
> cooktop, built-in oven, turquoise Youngstown cabinets, and Kohler
turquoise
> sink. Not too terrible, until you realized that the builder had combined
> all of this with pink Formica patterned countertops and a brown linoleum
> floor. The apartment complex had been built in the late 1950s.
>


Yup, my grandma had c. 1960 pink Fridgidaire appliances...

There is a great book you'd enjoy called _Populuxe_ by Thomas Hine,
(published in 1987 it's now OP but there are plenty of used copies on the
various book sites), that celebrates that 1955 - 64 era when US consumer
goods were jazzed up to be "luxurious" and "space age", incorporating the
new technologies of the time. There's an ad from Kelvinator c. 1956 that
shows all the two - tone combos for fridges. Some are pretty nauseating,
e.g. black and yellow, who wants a giant bumblebee in their kitchen? But
there is a charcoal gray - pink model that is pretty groovy (there was a
pink fad and a pink - and - gray fad in the mid - 50's. Remember the "Think
Pink" number from the fabulous 1957 Audrey Hepburn - Fred Astaire musical
_Funny Face_?)...

I could dig pink - and - charcoal appliances, but I'd have to have them in a
separate kitchen...they'd quickly get tiring on the eye.

The matching cabinet thing was a big deal, and also with the top section of
some fridges you could apply your own fabric or other materials to match
your decor...on ad shows a gal applying fabric to her fridge door that
matches her *dress* fabric, I guess there was a plastic thingy over the door
or something to cover the fabric.

They would have put tail fins on some of these appliances if they could
have, in fact I've noticed in some old vacuum cleaner ads from that era that
there *are* little tail fins on some of the models...

I love the appliance ads from that era, Frigidaire especially had these
great and elaborate two - page spreads in _Life_, etc. that featured
glamorous people in plush dream kitchens. They seemingly put as much effort
into introducing their new appliances in the autumn as they did to promoting
their NEW! GM car models...

[BTW, the second season of _Mad Men_ starts later this month...]

Fridgidaire introduced the straight - edged "Sheer Look" in appliances in
late '57, that basic look has stayed with us, 'though the colors have
changed over the years.

50's "planned obsolescence", ya gotta love it...

;-)

===>> we had a PINK '56 Buick Roadmaster 4 - door hardtop when I was a
kid...


--
Best
Greg

Janet Baraclough > wrote:

>from (Steve Pope) contains these words:

[ linoleum ]

>> You have to keep it waxed, forever.

> Nope. You don't need to wax it, ever. I never did. The material
>itself, is totally waterproof and non absorbent and requires no
>additional finishing. Friends of ours have a linoleum kitchen floor laid
>around 25 yrs ago, in a farmhouse with all that tramps in on boots. It's
>never been waxed and is still like new.

Interesting, I had always heard linoleum should always be waxed.
It's tough stuff, and I could see it lasting quite awhile even
without waxing.

Steve

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 01:18:39p, Gregory Morrow told us...

>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 12:30:28p, Gregory Morrow told us...
>>
>> >
>> > Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wayne Boatwright >
>> >> 6.120: in
>> >> rec.food.cooking
>> >>
>> >> > Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial,
>> >> > not to mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>> >>
>> >> A lot of people like SS appliances. I don't think it's for us
>> >> either. We chose white.
>> >
>> >
>> > If it was 50 years ago you could have chosen pink, darling...and IIRC
>> > Kelvinator even made *two - tone* fridges, following the two - tone
>> > automobile fad 'o the day...
>> >
>> > ;-)
>>
>> They did, indeed. And GE offered not only pink, but yellow, turquoise,
>> and cocoa. GE also coordinated their appliances with Youngstown
>> cabinets for matching colors, and with Kohler for matching sink colors.
>>
>> My first apartment was outfitted in GE turquoise appliances...fridge,
>> cooktop, built-in oven, turquoise Youngstown cabinets, and Kohler
>> turquoise sink. Not too terrible, until you realized that the builder
>> had combined all of this with pink Formica patterned countertops and a
>> brown linoleum floor. The apartment complex had been built in the late
>> 1950s.
>>
>
>
> Yup, my grandma had c. 1960 pink Fridgidaire appliances...
>
> There is a great book you'd enjoy called _Populuxe_ by Thomas Hine,
> (published in 1987 it's now OP but there are plenty of used copies on
> the various book sites), that celebrates that 1955 - 64 era when US
> consumer goods were jazzed up to be "luxurious" and "space age",
> incorporating the new technologies of the time. There's an ad from
> Kelvinator c. 1956 that shows all the two - tone combos for fridges.
> Some are pretty nauseating, e.g. black and yellow, who wants a giant
> bumblebee in their kitchen? But there is a charcoal gray - pink model
> that is pretty groovy (there was a pink fad and a pink - and - gray fad
> in the mid - 50's. Remember the "Think Pink" number from the fabulous
> 1957 Audrey Hepburn - Fred Astaire musical _Funny Face_?)...

You're right, I would enjoy that book. I'll have to look for it. Speaking
of pink and gray, throngs of girls wore gray felted poodle skirts with pink
poodles on them. :-)

> I could dig pink - and - charcoal appliances, but I'd have to have them
> in a separate kitchen...they'd quickly get tiring on the eye.

Yes, I think it would get tiresome after a bit.

> The matching cabinet thing was a big deal, and also with the top section
> of some fridges you could apply your own fabric or other materials to
> match your decor...on ad shows a gal applying fabric to her fridge door
> that matches her *dress* fabric, I guess there was a plastic thingy over
> the door or something to cover the fabric.

Oh, yeah, I remember that, too.

> They would have put tail fins on some of these appliances if they could
> have, in fact I've noticed in some old vacuum cleaner ads from that era
> that there *are* little tail fins on some of the models...

Hoover had an interesting cannister vacuum called the Constelation that
looked like a little Sputnik. It had no wheels, but floated on the exhaust
air coming from underneath the bottom.

> I love the appliance ads from that era, Frigidaire especially had these
> great and elaborate two - page spreads in _Life_, etc. that featured
> glamorous people in plush dream kitchens. They seemingly put as much
> effort into introducing their new appliances in the autumn as they did
> to promoting their NEW! GM car models...

They did, indeed. Really fun to see now. Many are available on the 'net.

> [BTW, the second season of _Mad Men_ starts later this month...]
>
> Fridgidaire introduced the straight - edged "Sheer Look" in appliances
> in late '57, that basic look has stayed with us, 'though the colors have
> changed over the years.

Yes, the very angular look. Shortly after came the colors, avocado,
harvest gold, and coppertone. The harvest gold wasn't too bad, but I
didn't like the other two.

> 50's "planned obsolescence", ya gotta love it...
>
> ;-)
>
> ===>> we had a PINK '56 Buick Roadmaster 4 - door hardtop when I was a
> kid...

We had a '56 Olds 98 4-door hardtop in turquoise and cream, withh a
continental kit on the back, and ear to ear chrome everywhere. :-)



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On Sun 06 Jul 2008 01:20:04p, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Goomba > :
> in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> I was actually looking for this burnished copper I recently saw on
>> appliances in a magazine, but no one has it (yet!?) around here. I
>> just wanted something different. Every color has its pros and cons.
>> Sadly stainless steel jacks up the price. Is it because it is
>> currently fashionable or is it the actual material cost itself?
>> We went with Stainless because hubby wanted it. Oddly I find I
>> acquiesce a lot to him on his preferences in this re-do because he's
>> being so cheerful about this whole expensive project. Our cabinet
>> pulls are also stainless "cup" style because it reminds me of the old
>> butler's pantry functional look which I love.
>
> I was so ticked off about our drawer pulls. We bought the brushed
> nickle "cup" style to offset the contemporary look of the kitchen.
> Damned things were too big. We settled for a slightly different pull
> than the look of the cabinet pulls. Neither of us wanted knobs.
>
> Michael

I prefer knobs over pulls on both drawers and cabinets. Pewter colored
knobs came with our cabinets in the new house. I hate the color with the
bleached birch wood. I want to replace them with dark rubbed bronze
finished knobs.


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only degrees of fear.
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On Sun 06 Jul 2008 01:21:51p, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> sf : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:50:20 -0400, Goomba >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Is it because it is currently fashionable or is it the actual
>>>material cost itself?
>>
>> It's expensive because it's the fashion now. If white or black were
>> what people were willing to pay top dollar for, they'd be the most
>> expensive.
>
> I think a lot of the choices people make are geared around how they want
> the kitchen to "feel" (for lack of a better word) to them. I think the
> copper is an excellent choice for Goomba if she wants it. I wonder how
> labor intensive it is to keep it looking nice.
>
> Michael
>

Most likely the copper will have a heavy acrylic or epoxy coating on it,
making it quite easy to care for.

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On Sun 06 Jul 2008 01:23:48p, Steve Pope told us...

> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>
>>from (Steve Pope) contains these words:
>
> [ linoleum ]
>
>>> You have to keep it waxed, forever.
>
>> Nope. You don't need to wax it, ever. I never did. The material
>>itself, is totally waterproof and non absorbent and requires no
>>additional finishing. Friends of ours have a linoleum kitchen floor laid
>>around 25 yrs ago, in a farmhouse with all that tramps in on boots. It's
>>never been waxed and is still like new.
>
> Interesting, I had always heard linoleum should always be waxed.
> It's tough stuff, and I could see it lasting quite awhile even
> without waxing.
>
> Steve
>

When I was growing up, one of the first houses we lived in had
"battleship" linoleum on the kitchen and bath floors and on the walls up to
chair rail level. Twice a year mom would have it treated with paste wax
and power buffed. "Shine" was in, but the wax was unnecessary as far as
preserving the lino. It wears like iron, and is somewhat self-healing if
cut.

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There is no such thing as bravery;
only degrees of fear.
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"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at the
> best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.

Are you sure that the hood is going to be strong enough to cope with the
output of your gas range? I suffered with an inadequate fan in my hood for
years, and recently replaced it with a 400CFM one--the strongest that the
existing ductwork would support. It's a HUGE improvement, but certainly I
could have done with a stronger one. As a result of ten years with a feeble
exhaust fan, I'm kind of obsessed with having one that enables Asian cooking
and so forth without making the whole house reek and the smoke alarm go
off.

I have a bottom freezer Amana, and like it a lot, BTW.

Janet Baraclough > wrote:

>from (Steve Pope) contains these words:

>> Now that CAN'T be green.

> Why not? it's a completely sustainable natural product; no tree has
>to die etc.

Yes, I was mistaken. While in the past environmentalists
warned against depleting cork forests, now they want you
to use cork to save them.

Steve

Goomba wrote:
>
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at
> the best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting
> older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically
> poor choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended
> periods. I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood
> and impact absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
> jarring to your body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens,
> are they?? I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it
> might be fairly "green" as well as good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

Just a short few months ago, my kitchen & laundry/bathroom floorings
were replaced. So I was in the same predicament, so to speak. I went
to every carpet/flooring store in my area, including the 'big box
stores', to choose what style, pattern, and color I liked and wanted.
The price differences at the local stores were rather significant, e.g.,
plus or minus $1+change per square foot! Then I shopped at the on-line
vendors to also price-compare the specific floorings. I was rather
astonished (I probably shouldn't have been!) at the vast price
differences between local and on-line vendors, even when shipping was
added. BUT, the on-line vendors do not include the labor/price of
installation nor the typical 'guarantee' provided by local stores.

Don't rush your decisions. If possible, take large samples home for a
few days or a week and lay them on the floor in various areas of the
kitchen during different times of days and nights with different
lightings (natural & electrical) to compare the colors. It's amazing
how the 'looks' and colors will change in appearance and may or may not
match the surroundings when these environmental variables are
considered.

Read Consumer Reports <g>. Also read some of the newsgroups about home
repair and remodeling. Some floors are better or worse than others
depending on many conditions and circumstances.

Since my flooring was replaced by the general contractor doing the
repairs for an insurance claim, I just gave them the specific
information about my flooring choices, then the contractor obtained
them. I'm sure the contractor used a sub-contractor for installation.

The previous floor in my kitchen was cheap sheet vinyl flooring, as was
the laundry/bathroom flooring. The old floorings were probably
25-plus-years old I would guess. It took me a few months to select
which floorings to get as replacements because I found the choices to be
very limited with regard to design, pattern, and colors. Due to
budgetary considerations (insurance replacement costs), my choices were
limited and could not include some types of floorings (unless I coughed
up more 'dough').

The old and cheap sheet vinyl flooring in my kitchen was abominable. It
had permanent wheel marks/ruts where the portable dishwasher had
traveled across the floor to the sink faucet. I eventually selected
Mannington Adura vinyl tile (16"x16") in a particular non-tile pattern
-- it was the 'only' kitchen flooring pattern within my budget that
appealed to my sense of design. The Adura tile is supposed to be very
resilient to wear & tear and heavy-duty use. Now the portable
dishwasher makes no marks on the floor when it traverses the kitchen
floor. I am very happy with the results (so far!).

The laundry/bathroom flooring was even harder to choose. Since the
traffic/use there isn't nearly as high as it is in the kitchen, I simply
replaced it with more sheet vinyl. BUT, finding a pattern that I liked
was the hardest part! Again, the patterns and color choices were quite
limited to my sense of decoration. Practically everything was shades of
white, off-white, and brown (ugh!) with large tile markings of various
sizes. Thankfully, the sheet vinyl flooring of today is better in
quality than it was a generation or two ago.

Good luck with choosing a floor you like. It's a subjective decision
that only you can make. After you're 'armed' with price information
from many sources, perhaps you can try to bargain with the company of
your choice if their price is higher than can be had with a different
vendor in the area.

Sky, who hates to decorate interiors!

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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

Sky > wrote:

>The old and cheap sheet vinyl flooring in my kitchen was abominable. It
>had permanent wheel marks/ruts where the portable dishwasher had
>traveled across the floor to the sink faucet.

The cheapest sheet vinyl actually has the decorative pattern
printed on paper, which is affixed to the top of the sheet vinyl
with a very thin layer of transparent vinyl plastic on top
of it. Needless to say, such a product has no durability
whatsover.

Steve

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> As I see it, the problem is that a breakfast room and guest bathroom are
> more "presentation" spaces, where the kitchen, mud room, and laundry
> room are more "industrial" spaces. If it were *me*, I'd have the same
> hardwood in the breakfast room as in the rest of the house, I'd have
> soft wood in the kitchen, I'd have tile in the guest bedroom, and I'd
> have painted concrete in the mud room and laundry room.
>

Ohhhh, my kind of guy.
blacksalt

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> I've been thinking about your long days at work and coming home to a hard
> kitchen floor at night. Bamboo would be an option. I think Jill brought
> that up. Now that I remember, the parquet floors in the condo kitchens
> were very comfortable. Nice rugs on them and you should be set. The
> downside is they are hard to take care of if you are a messy cook like I
> tend to be ;( You could also do a floating wood floor but I'm not you
> would like it. I probably wouldn't.
>
> Michael

I'm totally unfamiliar with bamboo flooring, yet recall that folks say
their bamboo cutting boards are incredibly hard. That would help
decrease dings and such I guess? That would be a welcome feature.
My house sits on a crawl space (rather than an immovable hard cement
slab) so I hope that provides a bit more comfort too?

Sheldon wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> So, if you do go for tile, may I suggest you get a few extras
>> and keep them - just in case?
>>
>> Excellent advice!
>
> No extra brain cells needed for that one... that's true of any
> flooring, even with carpeting having an exra piece can repair a stain
> or burn.

Well to be honest Sheldon, I actually never considered that hard floor
tile needs or actually gets replaced individually. So while it makes
excellent sense it wasn't something I'd previously thought of. I am glad
CC mentioned it.

Becca wrote:

> We bought this house, had the carpet removed and replaced it with
> hardwood floors. We did this throughout the entire house. We have only
> been here one year, and we have not experienced any problems. I was
> concerned about having problems the kitchen and the bathrooms, too.
>
> The wood floors do not seem as "hard" on my feet as the floors I had at
> work. Good luck with your decision.
>
> Becca

Thanks
Did you pick a particular finish on your wood? The hardwood floors I
have elsewhere in the house could probably stand to be refinished so I
wonder if we can make new wood floors blend in with the old?
Perhaps tomorrow I'll make it to the flooring store.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> It's probably both. I can just imagine what the cost of the burnished
> copper would be. Copper is far more expensive a metal than SS.
>
oh no!! It wasn't REAL copper..just a burnished copper color. LOL

On Jul 6, 4:23�pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>
> >from (Steve Pope) contains these words:
>
> [ linoleum ]
>
> >> You have to keep it waxed, forever.
> > � Nope. You don't need to wax it, ever. I never did. The material
> >itself, is totally waterproof and non absorbent and requires no
> >additional finishing. Friends of ours have a linoleum kitchen floor laid
> >around 25 yrs ago, in a farmhouse with all that tramps in on boots. It's
> >never been waxed and is still like new.
>
> Interesting, I had always heard linoleum should always be waxed.
> It's tough stuff, and I could see it lasting quite awhile even
> without waxing.
>
> Steve

These folks are just blowing hot air, they know nothing about
linoleum. I grew up with lino, it had to be waxed constantly or it
quickly discolored and deteriorated. And at best (with no kids/
animals and very little traffic) it will last maybe 30-40 years but
under normal living conditions a more realistic lifespan is more like
15-20 years. Lino molds to the underlayment so if there is any
uneveness it will wear and develop cracks. Lino was very common for
commercial use as it was avalable in rather narrow widths so sections
near doorways, in hallways, and other heavy traffic areas were
constantly replaced without having to replace the entire floor. Lino
was not used in bathrooms, nor in kitchens as water would get
underneath and even right now I'm getting a deja vous of that
unmistakeable stench, of vomit... you definitely don't want linoleum
in kitchens where people actually cook.

http://www.armstrong.com/resflram/na...-linoleum.html

sf wrote:

> I'm still unclear why you're not considering bamboo.
>
because I've never seen one or known anyone with one. It is a newer
flooring option, isn't it?

Janet Baraclough wrote:
We laid and fitted sheet linoleum
> in a bathroom and as a pretty skilled DIY pair, I can tell you we will
> never DIY that job again., at least, not unless I want grounds for
> divorce . If a large pot of money comes my way, I would love to get the
> entire kitchen laid with linoleum..by someone else.
>
> Janet

LOL, that's exactly what I said about wallpaper! Grounds for divorce, I
swear!

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:28:51 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\"" >
wrote:

>sf : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:11:54 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\"" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>We might have made a mistake with the refrigerator. It's a
>>>pretty tight squeeze in the space we have it in.
>>
>> I take it you didn't go with french doors.
>
>Yes we did. A side by side... against my better judgement. It is a tight
>fit but workable.
>

I don't think of a side by side when I think "french doors", Michael.

french doors
http://www.bigappledirect.com/images/MFC2061KES.jpg

side by side
http://www.jennair.com/assets/images...ge_correct.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/6k7gju

Hope you have another refrigerator/freezer in your garage, otherwise
you're going to be cursing when you try to put larger items in either
the refrigerator or freezer part of your side by side.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 03:57:25p, Goomba told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> It's probably both. I can just imagine what the cost of the burnished
>> copper would be. Copper is far more expensive a metal than SS.
>>
> oh no!! It wasn't REAL copper..just a burnished copper color. LOL
>

Oh, well, I haven't seen it. I assumed the exterior was sheathed in copper
with a protective coating over it.

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"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
>
>> Nope. You don't need to wax it, ever. I never did. The material
>>itself, is totally waterproof and non absorbent and requires no
>>additional finishing. Friends of ours have a linoleum kitchen floor laid
>>around 25 yrs ago, in a farmhouse with all that tramps in on boots. It's
>>never been waxed and is still like new.
>
> Interesting, I had always heard linoleum should always be waxed.
> It's tough stuff, and I could see it lasting quite awhile even
> without waxing.
>
> Steve

I've not seen real old fashioned linoleum for many years. Much of the sheet
goods we call linoleum today are different forms of vinyl flooring. Yes,
the true linoleum of years ago had to be waxed. Real linoleum was made from
linseed oil, wood flour, and/or cork over a canvas backing. Armstrong makes
a linoleum product today but it is much better than that of 50 years ago.

OK, I was curious and found this
http://www.armstrong.com/resflram/na...-linoleum.html

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 04:41:12p, told us...

> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:28:51 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\"" >
> wrote:
>
>>sf : in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:11:54 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\"" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>We might have made a mistake with the refrigerator. It's a pretty
>>>>tight squeeze in the space we have it in.
>>>
>>> I take it you didn't go with french doors.
>>
>>Yes we did. A side by side... against my better judgement. It is a
>>tight fit but workable.
>>
>
> I don't think of a side by side when I think "french doors", Michael.
>
> french doors
> http://www.bigappledirect.com/images/MFC2061KES.jpg
>
> side by side
> http://www.jennair.com/assets/images...s/sidebysideim
> age_correct.jpg http://tinyurl.com/6k7gju
>
> Hope you have another refrigerator/freezer in your garage, otherwise
> you're going to be cursing when you try to put larger items in either
> the refrigerator or freezer part of your side by side.

I will never forget the first side-by-side refrigerator/freezer I bought,
and that was when I didn't have a separate deep freezer. It was an Amana.
I had just finished assembling a frozen key lime pie and opened the freezer
to put it in. The goddam pie plate was too wide to fit in the freezer! I
can't even remember all the times I cursed that damned thing. Large
platters wouldn't fit in the fridge either.

I'm not enamored of the French door models either. I hate the pull out
freezer drawers because they're so inefficient, and also difficult to clean
the cavity. Plus it puts the ice maker on the bottom, and we use a lot of
ice.

I'd just rather stick with my traditional top freezer model, trends and
fashion bedamned.


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Nancy Young wrote:

> Oh, I was steamed! If I had known the guy was going to take
> off with my extra tile, I would have hidden a box. He's the one
> who told me how much to order, now I know why. Not that it was a lot,
> but I have a cracked tile I'd like to replace.
>
> What a rip off.
>
> nancy

I'm hoping to talk to the granite folks about preparing a piece of any
scrap of our granite to replace the wood on the small window sill over
the sink. I used to love the (faux?) marble window sills we had in our
German apartment. It was nice to be able to put plants and such on the
sill and not have to worry about dampness.

Nancy Young wrote:

> It took me a while to get used to the idea of the continuous
> grates because the stove surface is flat all across except where
> there are burners. I got over it. I'm very happy with the continuous
> grates. However, I can't get the middle burner to light all the way
> around, despite cleaning it. Don't know what the problem is.
>
> nancy

Uh oh.... is it still under warranty? Have you had anyone check it out?
The attraction of the continuous grates to me is exactly why I can't see
myself ever owning one of those glass top flat surface ranges- I like to
shake, rattle and move the pans about while cooking. Those grates will
make it so easy to do!

Giusi wrote:

> I tried Crocs last week when I had a job cooking. The temperature was
> hovering around 100°F in there. Within minutes they had cut through my skin
> in two places. You have to be willing to wear socks if you use them for
> softness.
>
They're popular with nurses because of their light weight and shock
absorbing properties, but they have drawbacks too. One being they
sometimes make you trip a bit when they "stick" on the floor, and one
particular style with the dozens of holes in the top are frowned on
because of risk factors with dropped sharps or body fluid splashes. The
colors are great fun though. I'm surprised by how much actual support
they provide. I used to get plantar fascitis before and went through a
lot of different shoes trying to find comfort. I alternate my various
Crocs with Dansko shoes now.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 05:11:01p, Goomba told us...

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> It took me a while to get used to the idea of the continuous
>> grates because the stove surface is flat all across except where
>> there are burners. I got over it. I'm very happy with the continuous
>> grates. However, I can't get the middle burner to light all the way
>> around, despite cleaning it. Don't know what the problem is.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Uh oh.... is it still under warranty? Have you had anyone check it out?
> The attraction of the continuous grates to me is exactly why I can't see
> myself ever owning one of those glass top flat surface ranges- I like to
> shake, rattle and move the pans about while cooking. Those grates will
> make it so easy to do!
>

OMG, you're one of *those*! Step away from my glass top range! :-)

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many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior.' Hippolyte Taine
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Goomba wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> It took me a while to get used to the idea of the continuous
>> grates because the stove surface is flat all across except where
>> there are burners. I got over it. I'm very happy with the
>> continuous grates. However, I can't get the middle burner to light
>> all the way around, despite cleaning it. Don't know what the
>> problem is.

> Uh oh.... is it still under warranty? Have you had anyone check it
> out?

No, even though I wouldn't mind using the griddle, I'm obviously
not all that motivated to figure out what's wrong. I'll get a bee
in my bonnet about it one day.

> The attraction of the continuous grates to me is exactly why I
> can't see myself ever owning one of those glass top flat surface
> ranges- I like to shake, rattle and move the pans about while
> cooking. Those grates will make it so easy to do!

You will enjoy that. It's a terrific feature. And these grates
(mine is a GE also) are heavy in appearance, which I like.
Heavier than some of the other brands I checked out.

nancy

Janet wrote:

> Are you sure that the hood is going to be strong enough to cope with the
> output of your gas range? I suffered with an inadequate fan in my hood for
> years, and recently replaced it with a 400CFM one--the strongest that the
> existing ductwork would support. It's a HUGE improvement, but certainly I
> could have done with a stronger one. As a result of ten years with a feeble
> exhaust fan, I'm kind of obsessed with having one that enables Asian cooking
> and so forth without making the whole house reek and the smoke alarm go
> off.

yeah, that's been a concern but the bottom line is the 300 CFM is
probably still more than we have now with our cheapie hood. The one we
have might be about 220 CFM based on what I've seen in Lowes. The duct
goes outside so we wanted to use the same stack. I'm just not willing to
give up counter space anymore for the microwave, yet am nervous about
the microwave over the range making me feel boxed in?

Goomba wrote:

> I'm just not
> willing to give up counter space anymore for the microwave, yet am
> nervous about the microwave over the range making me feel boxed in?

Look at range hoods, in my experience they usually stick out
from the cabinet over the stove. The microwave is flush.
I don't feel boxed in my my over the stove microwave at all.

nancy

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>
>> I'm still unclear why you're not considering bamboo.
>>
> because I've never seen one or known anyone with one. It is a newer
> flooring option, isn't it?

Why not get something like bamboo or tile, and buy a couple of those"see
through" rubber mats that they use in professional kitchens to put in the
few places where you actually do much standing. After all, it's reall just
in front of the sink, the stove, and perhaps one major counter work area.
Then you could have a surface that is good looking and impervious to water,
easy to clean, AND save your feet and back.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 05:21:18p, Goomba told us...

> Giusi wrote:
>
>> I tried Crocs last week when I had a job cooking. The temperature was
>> hovering around 100°F in there. Within minutes they had cut through my
>> skin in two places. You have to be willing to wear socks if you use
>> them for softness.
>>
> They're popular with nurses because of their light weight and shock
> absorbing properties, but they have drawbacks too. One being they
> sometimes make you trip a bit when they "stick" on the floor, and one
> particular style with the dozens of holes in the top are frowned on
> because of risk factors with dropped sharps or body fluid splashes. The
> colors are great fun though. I'm surprised by how much actual support
> they provide. I used to get plantar fascitis before and went through a
> lot of different shoes trying to find comfort. I alternate my various
> Crocs with Dansko shoes now.

I have some degree of diabetic neuropathy in my toes and balls of my feet.
I wear a pair of Crocs quite often, even to work. Find them very
comfortable and nicely stimulating. Luckily, though, I do have very good
blood circulation.

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> I'd just rather stick with my traditional top freezer model, trends and
> fashion bedamned.

LOL, trends or fashion isn't why I want a bottom freezer! I've wanted
one for 20 years and have welcomed their return. I have another freezer
out in my garage, so I don't feel a need to waste prime eye level space
on another. I want my refrigerator items to be more conveniently eye
level. I look forward to not losing stuff in the way down low recesses
of a standard top freezer model. And it is also nostalgic for me as my
grandmother had one of those old rounded edge bottom freezers.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 06:28:07p, Goomba told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> I'd just rather stick with my traditional top freezer model, trends and
>> fashion bedamned.
>
> LOL, trends or fashion isn't why I want a bottom freezer! I've wanted
> one for 20 years and have welcomed their return. I have another freezer
> out in my garage, so I don't feel a need to waste prime eye level space
> on another. I want my refrigerator items to be more conveniently eye
> level. I look forward to not losing stuff in the way down low recesses
> of a standard top freezer model. And it is also nostalgic for me as my
> grandmother had one of those old rounded edge bottom freezers.
>

If I had a standalone ice maker I would care as much if the freezer was at
the bottom.

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Everybody lies; but it doesn't matter,
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