Chris Marksberry wrote:

>> We bought this house, had the carpet removed and replaced it with
>> hardwood floors. We did this throughout the entire house. We have
>> only been here one year, and we have not experienced any problems.
>> I was concerned about having problems the kitchen and the
>> bathrooms, too.
>>
>> The wood floors do not seem as "hard" on my feet as the floors I
>> had at work. Good luck with your decision.
>>
>> Becca
>
> Becca,
>
> You live in Louisiana right? Like others have written I don't care
> for the Pergo stuff. I'd like to put real hardwood in the kitchen
> and maybe dining room. So it's feasible? Currently we have ceramic
> tile.
>
> Chris

Yes, I live in Louisiana. We have not had problems with the hardwood
floors in any of the rooms. I sweep the kitchen daily and I vacuum
often. Sand and grit on the floor cause most of the wear.

These floors were installed about 15 months ago, and we have experienced
no problems in the utility room, kitchen or the bathrooms. Those were
the areas that concerned me. A lot.

My problem, was moving to a new city and shopping for floors, without
knowing any of the flooring companies here. They said these floors would
be fine in the kitchen and in the bathrooms, and I chose to trust them.
We figured, if we had problems in those rooms, it would not be the end
of the world (or would it!). We would have the floors taken up in those
rooms and replace them with something else. Thankfully, that has not
happened. <whew> lol

The floors still look brand new. When the humidity changes, the gaps
between the boards widen a little bit, but that is to be expected. We
really love our floors, so I am glad we did it.

Becca

Sheldon > wrote:

>On Jul 6, 4:23�pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> Interesting, I had always heard linoleum should always be waxed.


>These folks are just blowing hot air, they know nothing about
>linoleum. I grew up with lino, it had to be waxed constantly or it
>quickly discolored and deteriorated. And at best (with no kids/
>animals and very little traffic) it will last maybe 30-40 years but
>under normal living conditions a more realistic lifespan is more like
>15-20 years.

>http://www.armstrong.com/resflram/na...-linoleum.html

Yeah, both Armstrong and Forbo say to apply a "finish" (modern
version of wax) to their linoleum products. The Forbo website
says between every few months, or once a year, depending on usage.

The Armstrong product is an "acrylic wax" (which sounds oxymoronic
to me).

Steve

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
6.120...

>>
>
> If I had a standalone ice maker I would care as much if the freezer was at
> the bottom.
>

If I had a standalone ice maker I'd even do away with the freezer. The big
freezer get 99.9% of the use. The kitchen freezer gets a few items and
often they are forgotten in there for long periods of time. We have a side
by side. I like the ice and water dispensers and I'd not want to give them
up.

"Becca" > wrote in message
...
> Chris Marksberry wrote:
>
>>> We bought this house, had the carpet removed and replaced it with
>>> hardwood floors. We did this throughout the entire house. We have
>>> only been here one year, and we have not experienced any problems.
>>> I was concerned about having problems the kitchen and the
>>> bathrooms, too.
>>>
>>> The wood floors do not seem as "hard" on my feet as the floors I
>>> had at work. Good luck with your decision.
>>>
>>> Becca
>>
>> Becca,
>>
>> You live in Louisiana right? Like others have written I don't care
>> for the Pergo stuff. I'd like to put real hardwood in the kitchen
>> and maybe dining room. So it's feasible? Currently we have ceramic
>> tile.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Yes, I live in Louisiana. We have not had problems with the hardwood
> floors in any of the rooms. I sweep the kitchen daily and I vacuum often.
> Sand and grit on the floor cause most of the wear.
>
> These floors were installed about 15 months ago, and we have experienced
> no problems in the utility room, kitchen or the bathrooms. Those were the
> areas that concerned me. A lot.
>
> My problem, was moving to a new city and shopping for floors, without
> knowing any of the flooring companies here. They said these floors would
> be fine in the kitchen and in the bathrooms, and I chose to trust them. We
> figured, if we had problems in those rooms, it would not be the end of the
> world (or would it!). We would have the floors taken up in those rooms and
> replace them with something else. Thankfully, that has not happened.
> <whew> lol
>
> The floors still look brand new. When the humidity changes, the gaps
> between the boards widen a little bit, but that is to be expected. We
> really love our floors, so I am glad we did it.
>
> Becca
>

Thanks Becca,

I was asking based on the assumption that you have the same heat and
humidity as we do in Houston. I did have an acquaintance who went through a
hurricane in Metarie and the floors didn't do well, but not much else did
either. As far as hurricanes are concerned... well... not anything you can
do about them except take the proper precautions and your life shouldn't
revolve around "what might happen".

Chris

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:54:01 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>I'm not enamored of the French door models either. I hate the pull out
>freezer drawers because they're so inefficient, and also difficult to clean
>the cavity. Plus it puts the ice maker on the bottom, and we use a lot of
>ice.
>
The space for my refrigerator is very limited, so when we got a new
one it was maybe a couple of inches taller and didn't seem as deep
probably because the doors hold so much more now... but I absolutely
LOVE that pull out drawer. It has movable baskets so I can get to the
bottom quickly. With the old top freezer, whatever was in the back
was literally there forever or until I cleaned it out.

>I'd just rather stick with my traditional top freezer model, trends and
>fashion bedamned.

I've noticed that the bottom freezer even comes in two drawers now,
not one big one.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:28:07 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>I want my refrigerator items to be more conveniently eye
>level. I look forward to not losing stuff in the way down low recesses
>of a standard top freezer model.

Lemme tell you, it's fabulous dahlink. I haven't had any second
thoughts (other than wishing my space was wide enough for even the
skinniest french door model. IMO: They've taken care of the main
reasons why people didn't like the bottom drawer previously.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Goomba wrote:
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

We put in laminate in the kitchen as well as the laundry room, family
room and computer room. It looks great, doesn't show dirt (depends on
color/pattern you choose), cleans up with minimal effort and doesn't get
damaged by furniture, kids or dog nails.

What does damage it is standing water or liquid. While I love most all
about the laminate I'm not sure I would pick it again for a kitchen due
to the moisture issue. Really it hasn't been a huge issue except for an
accident soon after we got it where there was a puddle that sat for a
few hours. It did bubble up a little. It isn't all that noticeable,
but I know it's there.

If I were to redo now, I'd think about linoleum, cork, or bamboo. Maybe
tile.

--
Queenie

*** Be the change you wish to see in the world ***

"Sheldon" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
Linowas not used in bathrooms, nor in kitchens as water would get
underneath and even right now I'm getting a deja vous of that
unmistakeable stench, of vomit... you definitely don't want linoleum
in kitchens where people actually cook.

You aqre not only wrong, you are completely wrong and I don't care what you
dig up off the internet that supports that idiotic statement. I collect old
magazines. From 1919 until into the 70s linoleum was THE flooring used in
kitchens and THE most frequent flooring used in bathrooms, other than
highest end baths.

There were grades of linoleum of course. Some had a thinner surface layer
of composite over a felt and some had a very thick layer. Properly laid
both served well, but the thicker lasted longer of course.


http://www.armstrong.com/resflram/na...-linoleum.html

I have smelled freshly installed linoleum. It smells precisely like my
terra cotta tiles smell when I give them their annual raw linseed oil
treatment. Any smell caused by deteriorating linoleum would presumably be
from whatever was allowed to get into and under it that wrecked it. Linseed
oil is not stinky at all and certainly doesn't smell like vomit.

Properly installed and properly cared for it is as good a product as any
mentioned here and will outlast Pergo.

"Goomba" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> Giusi wrote:
>
>> I tried Crocs last week when I had a job cooking. The temperature was
>> hovering around 100°F in there. Within minutes they had cut through my
>> skin in two places. You have to be willing to wear socks if you use them
>> for softness.
>>
> They're popular with nurses because of their light weight and shock
> absorbing properties, but they have drawbacks too. One being they
> sometimes make you trip a bit when they "stick" on the floor, and one
> particular style with the dozens of holes in the top are frowned on
> because of risk factors with dropped sharps or body fluid splashes. The
> colors are great fun though. I'm surprised by how much actual support they
> provide. I used to get plantar fascitis before and went through a lot of
> different shoes trying to find comfort. I alternate my various Crocs with
> Dansko shoes now.

But at work in a hospital anyone would expect to wear socks. In a 100°+
kitchen I want the choice-- and I would not want my choice of flooring to
condemn me to socks forever!

The clothes one wears for cooking professionally similarly need to be
protective and even more must come off fast in case of accident. One pull
gets my tunic off and a zip gets the pants off. I don't like wearing shoes
that could hold boiling oil against my feet while I unlaced them, presuming
that I could bear the pain and unlace them. OTH, clogs haven't worked for
me because I come out of them when dancing around.

sf wrote:

> I've noticed that the bottom freezer even comes in two drawers now,
> not one big one.

IMO, anytime you add walls or boundries, you've just lost an some
storage space. I'll take one large drawer with pull out bins or trays.

Giusi wrote:

> But at work in a hospital anyone would expect to wear socks. In a 100°+
> kitchen I want the choice-- and I would not want my choice of flooring to
> condemn me to socks forever!

Socks don't protect you from dropped needles nor body fluid splashes.

I love Crocs, I just need to start buying the ones that don't have the
dozens of holes in the top for work use.

The Cook wrote:

>> I love Crocs, I just need to start buying the ones that don't have the
>> dozens of holes in the top for work use.
>>
>
> I haven't seen any in narrow a narrow width. Do you know if they even
> make them.

I've never seen them in various widths. Just one standard one, I believe?
www.crocs.com

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:10:23 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Giusi wrote:
>
>> But at work in a hospital anyone would expect to wear socks. In a 100°+
>> kitchen I want the choice-- and I would not want my choice of flooring to
>> condemn me to socks forever!
>
>Socks don't protect you from dropped needles nor body fluid splashes.
>
>I love Crocs, I just need to start buying the ones that don't have the
>dozens of holes in the top for work use.
>

I haven't seen any in narrow a narrow width. Do you know if they even
make them.

Nancy Young > wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 08:37:30 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know what they think of it, they are putting in what
> > > sells. People like it. It's not for me.
> >
> > The corners of vinyl tile tends to lift easily, but it's a quick
> > facelift.
>
> FWIW, the above comment of mine was about SS appliances.
>
> > Slate or anything that's expensive is on the shows where the house
> > owner has a big budget for them to work with. Just go to the web
> > site and look. You can give them a huge budget to work, with if
> > you've got the money.
>
> People drop amounts of money on their yards that is astonishing.
> To each their own, of course, if you use your yard a lot, what the
> heck.
>
> nancy

The people on the higher-budget redesign shows all seem to place great
emphasis on entertaining. (They also appear to have more money than
Croesus!) That's fine for them; me, I just want a kitchen I can work easily
in. Back yard? Give me a comfy place to sit and read a book and I'm happy


Jill

Goomba > wrote in
:

> enigma wrote:
>
>> BTW, if you find a bottom freezer fridge that *doesn't*
>> have
>> a drawer freezer, let me know. those drawers are just
>> plain useless.
>>
> do you mean the entire bottom section being a pull out
> drawer, or the inner wire/plastic pull out drawer bins?

the whole freezer section being a pull out bin, with or
without interior shelves.

> I've seen bottom freezers that have swing doors, just like
> a regular refrigerator. I want the exterior pull out drawer
> style... and it MUST have an ice maker, but I'm not looking
> for one of those ice and water dispensers. I can pull the
> drawer open for ice and save a bundle, as well as not lose
> space to the dispenser workings.

i have a bottom freezer with a swing out door. it makes
ice... i just fill all the trays i want & place them in one of
the shelves. if i'm planning a party i empty the ice trays as
they freeze (about 90 minutes or so) into cotainers & place
those in the big freezers down in the basement (i have a chest
freezer & an upright freezer. i also have a dorm size fridge
in the kitchen, another refrigerator without a freezer in the
garage, which mostly has kegged beer & the yeasts & grains in
it & a kegerator). it *could* have a built in icemaker
installed, but i don't see the point.
my SIL has a a side swing bottom freezer with pull out
drawers & you can't fit much in there. fortuately she doesn't
cook.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 12:14:14p, told us...
>
> > On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:36:46 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:11:11a, told us...
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:13:43 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'd have soft wood in the kitchen
> > > >
> > > > "Soft" wood, like pine? That's a no. Ever had pine furniture?
> > > > It dings easily.
> > >
> > > But it's easily restained and the "dings" add to a nicely
> > > distressed look. :-)
> >
> > Depending on the finish, of course. I still would *not* want a pine
> > floor.
> >
> >
>
> I probably would want one either, but I have seen an old kitchen with
> a wide plank heart pine floor that was really beautiful. The floor
> was very old.

A lot of the waterfront mansions (100+ years old) on Bay Street in Beaufort
have their original heart pine floors. It's a major selling point and part
of their charm Not sure if there's pine in the kitchens, though. I like
to read the real estate listings but I haven't actually gone and looked at
any of them

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote:

>> People drop amounts of money on their yards that is astonishing.
>> To each their own, of course, if you use your yard a lot, what the
>> heck.

> The people on the higher-budget redesign shows all seem to place great
> emphasis on entertaining. (They also appear to have more money than
> Croesus!)

Hey, they're spreading it around, that's a good thing. Every time
someone bitches about how much money people spend, I think
they are keeping people employed, what's wrong with that.

nancy

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:43:48 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>The Cook wrote:
>
>>> I love Crocs, I just need to start buying the ones that don't have the
>>> dozens of holes in the top for work use.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't seen any in narrow a narrow width. Do you know if they even
>> make them.
>
>I've never seen them in various widths. Just one standard one, I believe?
>www.crocs.com

Thanks. I just sent them an email. Will see what they say.

Goomba wrote:
>
> The attraction of the continuous grates to me is exactly why I can't see
> myself ever owning one of those glass top flat surface ranges- I like to
> shake, rattle and move the pans about while cooking. Those grates will
> make it so easy to do!

So, you like to shake, rattle, and move around... sounds like you
really enjoy taut sheets.

"Giusi" wrote:
> "Sheldon" wrote:
> � Lino was not used in bathrooms, nor in kitchens as water would get
> underneath and even right now I'm getting a deja vous of that
> unmistakeable stench, of vomit... you definitely don't want linoleum
> in kitchens where people actually cook.
>
> You aqre not only wrong, you are completely wrong and I don't care what you
> dig up off the internet that supports that idiotic statement. �I
>
> http://www.armstrong.com/resflram/na...g-buyers-guide...

Armstrong has been in the flooring business a very long time, you've
only been an imbecile since you were born.

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:57:25 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> It's probably both. I can just imagine what the cost of the burnished
>> copper would be. Copper is far more expensive a metal than SS.
>>
>oh no!! It wasn't REAL copper..just a burnished copper color. LOL

Maybe it's the same stuff those old copper colored nutone hoods (they
never tarnished) were made of - with a different finish.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Jul 6, 12:29*pm, Jane > wrote:
> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 16:58:57, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > On Sun 06 Jul 2008 06:51:25a, Billy told us...
>
> >> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:09:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> I have black appliances.
>
> >> So..what's your secret to keeping them spotless? *
> >> I have two black dishwashers on either side of the sink and they
> >> always need maintainence. * *
>
> > A 3:2 mixture of water and white vinegar. *Wash down with a
> > saturated but wrung out rag, followed by a drying/buffing with a
> > dry soft cloth.
>
> I was going to guess you would say a weak solution of ammonia. *I can't
> stand the stuff. It's horrible and try never to use it. *However I keep
> seeing ammonia recommended as a cleaning agent even nowadays.

Unfortunately it also is damn dangerous and can seriously damage your
lungs. It is probably best used as a disinfectant of last resort
( perhaps cleaning up after a flood) and a mask is recommended

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:45:02 -0700 (PDT), John Kane
> wrote:

>On Jul 6, 12:29*pm, Jane > wrote:
>> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 16:58:57, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun 06 Jul 2008 06:51:25a, Billy told us...
>>
>> >> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:09:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >>> I have black appliances.
>>
>> >> So..what's your secret to keeping them spotless? *
>> >> I have two black dishwashers on either side of the sink and they
>> >> always need maintainence. * *
>>
>> > A 3:2 mixture of water and white vinegar. *Wash down with a
>> > saturated but wrung out rag, followed by a drying/buffing with a
>> > dry soft cloth.
>>
>> I was going to guess you would say a weak solution of ammonia. *I can't
>> stand the stuff. It's horrible and try never to use it. *However I keep
>> seeing ammonia recommended as a cleaning agent even nowadays.
>
>Unfortunately it also is damn dangerous and can seriously damage your
>lungs. It is probably best used as a disinfectant of last resort
>( perhaps cleaning up after a flood) and a mask is recommended
>
Oh, piffle. Not if it's diluted with water. Diluted ammonia is my
cleaner of choice. It powers through greasy spots on the stove. I
prefer to wipe them up while they are still warm and polish with the
ammonia later.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Sheldon" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
"Giusi" wrote:
> "Sheldon" wrote:
> ? Lino was not used in bathrooms, nor in kitchens as water would get
> underneath and even right now I'm getting a deja vous of that
> unmistakeable stench, of vomit... you definitely don't want linoleum
> in kitchens where people actually cook.
>
> You aqre not only wrong, you are completely wrong and I don't care what
> you
> dig up off the internet that supports that idiotic statement. ?I
>
> http://www.armstrong.com/resflram/na...g-buyers-guide...

Armstrong has been in the flooring business a very long time, you've
only been an imbecile since you were born.

That article did not say what you said. Your reading comprehension is
terrible.

> that our tile is eggshell and it shows all the dirt. Just be especially
> careful about dropping things on it, because the tile is very unforgiving.


It's also very unforgiving on legs and feet. If you spend a lot of
time standing on a ceramic floor, you should have some kind of cushion-
y mat to stand on. I would take wood or any kind of vinyl tile or
other vinyl floor covering before I would put ceramic or stone or
brick on a kitchen floor.

I love my new vinyl floor, and the older inlaid linoleum (also vinyl)
it replaced. I'd put it in again in a heartbeat. It isn't at all
like the original linoleum that our grandmothers or great-grandmothers
used.

N.