I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at
the best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.

I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting
older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically
poor choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended
periods. I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood
and impact absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
jarring to your body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens,
are they?? I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it
might be fairly "green" as well as good cost.

The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
downstairs is hardwood.

Thanks for any input
Goomba

Goomba > wrote:
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

I personally have no problem with vinyl, although the people on HGTV would
cringe if you suggested it! If you like wood you might consider bamboo.

Jill

"Goomba" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at the
> best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting older
> now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically poor
> choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended periods.
> I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood and impact
> absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more jarring to your
> body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens, are they?? I'm
> also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it might be fairly
> "green" as well as good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

I have been blaming "the day after" backaches on my age, but lately I have
been hearing much younger peiople claim it is the tile or stone floors we
all have. Mind you, I don't experience it unless I have spent a 10 or 12
hour day working, so who knows?

If I were sure, then next kitchen I would use solid runner flooring, such as
is used in airports. I'd consider bamboo, but my cutting board seems as
hard as tile.

Goomba wrote:

> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting older
> now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically poor
> choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended periods.
> I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood and impact
> absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more jarring to your
> body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens, are they?? I'm
> also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it might be fairly
> "green" as well as good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input


I recently wrote here that I'm looking into getting eucalyptus or cork
flooring for my kitchen. Both are quite comfortable for long stretches of
standing, and don't need a huge amount of maintenance. However, tile or
linoleum would be much better for a mud room. Maybe you could have a hard
floor in your kitchen and put down rubber mats to stand on when you're
cooking; that's what many professional kitchens do.

As I see it, the problem is that a breakfast room and guest bathroom are
more "presentation" spaces, where the kitchen, mud room, and laundry room
are more "industrial" spaces. If it were *me*, I'd have the same hardwood in
the breakfast room as in the rest of the house, I'd have soft wood in the
kitchen, I'd have tile in the guest bedroom, and I'd have painted concrete
in the mud room and laundry room.

Bob

Goomba wrote:
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it?

I have tile flooring in the kitchen (and most of the house). I like it. It
looks good, is pretty hard wearing and if you spill something on it it's
easy to clean up in two ticks. I haven't found it any harder on my
back/legs than vinyl or hard wood in the kitchen (and I think I'm a tad
older than you <grin>). But... if you don't have under-floor heating it can
be a bit cold in winter.

Another thing I will point out about tile floors tho' - be aware that if you
drop any heavy cook-ware etc. on it in the kitchen the tiles may crack

For instance, I have a marble mortar and pestle. I put the pestle down on
the counter a bit too close to the edge when I was using it one day and I
managed to 'bump' it, somehow. It subsequently "rolled off" the counter
onto the tiles before I could catch it... I now have a (hairline) crack in
two tiles, and I don't have any spares (the previous owners put the
flooring in and didn't leave any 'extras')... It's not *that* noticeable,
you have to look pretty closely - but *I* know it's there, and it annoys
the heck outta me. However, it will mean replacing the whole
kitchen/laundry floor to fix it because I cannot get the same
design/pattern anymore, I've looked - sigh. I'm just not up for that at the
moment. It's not just the expense, it's the inconvenience of having the
kitchen 'out of action' while it's being re-done. So, if you do go for
tile, may I suggest you get a few extras and keep them - just in case?
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Jul 6, 4:37�am, Goomba > wrote:
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at
> the best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting
> older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically
> poor choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended
> periods. I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood
> and impact absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
> jarring to your body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens,
> are they?? �I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it
> might be fairly "green" as well as good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

I love my hardwood (Brazilian cherry) kitchen floor... I have the same
floor in a half bath and my laundry room too.. with the new space age
sealers and cleaning systems moisture is not a problem. Whichever
material make sure to have the floor installed full room/wall to wall,
*before* cabinets/appliances go in, most especially if you choose
tile.

jmcquown wrote:
> Goomba > wrote:
>>
>> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen,
>> breakfast room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest
>> of the downstairs is hardwood.

> I personally have no problem with vinyl, although the people on HGTV
> would cringe if you suggested it!

They put down vinyl tile often.

nancy

Nancy Young > wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Goomba > wrote:
> > >
> > > The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen,
> > > breakfast room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The
> > > rest of the downstairs is hardwood.
>
> > I personally have no problem with vinyl, although the people on HGTV
> > would cringe if you suggested it!
>
> They put down vinyl tile often.
>
> nancy

I only see them rip it up and put down slate or something similar. I must
be watching the wrong shows! And stainless appliances, UGH. As in, UGLY.
Sorry, I just don't see the appeal.

Jill

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently)

What brand/model would that be?



> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting older
> now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically poor
> choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended periods.
> I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood and impact
> absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more jarring to your
> body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens, are they?? I'm
> also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it might be fairly
> "green" as well as good cost.

We put sheet vinyl in our kitchen about 10 years ago. Cleans easily, no
seams, still looks good. It was the best bang for the buck at the time
since is was a "spruce up" rather than a re-do.

If cost was not a big consideration, I'd go with ceramic tile. We put down
Italian quarry tile in our last kitchen and loved it. Never used more than
a wet sponge mop to clean it and it always looked elegant. . It was a small
kitchen so it was affordable.

There are some wood products that may be worth checking out. It certainly
looks good. I'm not up on the latest so it may be good to visit the
flooring store for more information.

jmcquown wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Goomba > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen,
>>>> breakfast room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The
>>>> rest of the downstairs is hardwood.
>>
>>> I personally have no problem with vinyl, although the people on HGTV
>>> would cringe if you suggested it!
>>
>> They put down vinyl tile often.

> I only see them rip it up and put down slate or something similar. I
> must be watching the wrong shows! And stainless appliances, UGH. As
> in, UGLY. Sorry, I just don't see the appeal.

I don't know what they think of it, they are putting in what sells.
People like it. It's not for me.

nancy

Goomba > wrote in
:

> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how
> they love or hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had
> heated tile in the past. I was younger then so might have
> been less aware of problems, but am concerned with the
> "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting older now
> (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are
> ergodynamically poor choices down the road after standing
> in the kitchen for extended periods. I recall my mother
> explaining how good dance floors are wood and impact
> absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
> jarring to your body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical
> in kitchens, are they?? I'm also interested in linoleum as
> I keep reading that it might be fairly "green" as well as
> good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the
> kitchen, breakfast room, mud room, laundry room and guest
> bathroom. The rest of the downstairs is hardwood.

i have ceramic tile. i HATE it! it's hard. it's ugly (ceramic
scratches fairly easily. we have a farm, & the side door
enters into the kitchen, so mud & sand are constantly tracked
in). it's noisy. it's freaking *cold*! it's really hard to
clean, which surprised me. i figured it'd be tougher than
vinyl & just sweep clean. wrong! it's almost as easy to
scratch as vinyl & the grout joints collect dirt & stain
really easily. i'm not sure exactly how old my ceramic floor
is, but the grout is cracking &/or falling out in a lot of
places (granted it's laid right over a wide pine floor with no
underlayment or levelling). did i say i HATE it? it's going to
be a pain in the butt to get rid of it too.
when i redo the kitchen i'll put in real linoleum. it's
comfortable, way warmer than tile, & easier to clean (no
joints, no cracks, no grout). then i'll get a Scooba

BTW, if you find a bottom freezer fridge that *doesn't* have
a drawer freezer, let me know. those drawers are just plain
useless.
lee

--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 04:51:35a, ChattyCathy told us...

> Goomba wrote:
>>
>> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
>> hate it?
>
> I have tile flooring in the kitchen (and most of the house). I like it.
> It looks good, is pretty hard wearing and if you spill something on it
> it's easy to clean up in two ticks. I haven't found it any harder on my
> back/legs than vinyl or hard wood in the kitchen (and I think I'm a tad
> older than you <grin>). But... if you don't have under-floor heating it
> can be a bit cold in winter.
>
> Another thing I will point out about tile floors tho' - be aware that if
> you drop any heavy cook-ware etc. on it in the kitchen the tiles may
> crack
>
> For instance, I have a marble mortar and pestle. I put the pestle down
> on the counter a bit too close to the edge when I was using it one day
> and I managed to 'bump' it, somehow. It subsequently "rolled off" the
> counter onto the tiles before I could catch it... I now have a
> (hairline) crack in two tiles, and I don't have any spares (the previous
> owners put the flooring in and didn't leave any 'extras')... It's not
> *that* noticeable, you have to look pretty closely - but *I* know it's
> there, and it annoys the heck outta me. However, it will mean replacing
> the whole kitchen/laundry floor to fix it because I cannot get the same
> design/pattern anymore, I've looked - sigh. I'm just not up for that at
> the moment. It's not just the expense, it's the inconvenience of having
> the kitchen 'out of action' while it's being re-done. So, if you do go
> for tile, may I suggest you get a few extras and keep them - just in
> case?

What color is your tile, Cathy? In a previous home in Ohio, we had an
almond color ceramic tile put down by the previous owner, with no spares on
hand. There were a couple of tiles that had hairline cracks and a couple
that had tiny chips in them which revealed the darker color below the
almond glaze. I bought a bottle of almond colored appliance touch up
paint. Working very quickly I used a tiny brush to force the paint into
the cracks and chips, quickly wiping all excess off the surface. They
damages were virtually invisible unless you were down on your knees looking
for them. Something to consider.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Sunday, 07(VII)/06(VI)/08(MMVIII)
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Cats must drag dirty socks up from the
basement in the middle of the night.
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"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at the
> best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting older
> now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically poor
> choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended periods.
> I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood and impact
> absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more jarring to your
> body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens, are they?? I'm
> also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it might be fairly
> "green" as well as good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

Goomba, if your stood on hard floors all day in a hospital you may not find
any difference or real problems when at home.
On the other hand, all day at work on hard floors, then having them at home
as well could be the straw that broke the camels back!
If I were you I'd go for tiles, and wear crocs when I felt the floor was
taking its tole!


Sarah

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 05:37:30a, Nancy Young told us...

> jmcquown wrote:
>> Nancy Young > wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Goomba > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen,
>>>>> breakfast room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest
>>>>> of the downstairs is hardwood.
>>>
>>>> I personally have no problem with vinyl, although the people on HGTV
>>>> would cringe if you suggested it!
>>>
>>> They put down vinyl tile often.
>
>> I only see them rip it up and put down slate or something similar. I
>> must be watching the wrong shows! And stainless appliances, UGH. As
>> in, UGLY. Sorry, I just don't see the appeal.
>
> I don't know what they think of it, they are putting in what sells.
> People like it. It's not for me.
>
> nancy
>

Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not to
mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Sunday, 07(VII)/06(VI)/08(MMVIII)
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'We're not making this up just so we
can take over the world!' - Brain
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:09:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

> I have black appliances.

So..what's your secret to keeping them spotless?
I have two black dishwashers on either side of the sink and they
always need maintainence.

Goomba wrote:
>
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at
> the best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
> was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
> concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting
> older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically
> poor choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended
> periods. I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood
> and impact absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
> jarring to your body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens,
> are they?? I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it
> might be fairly "green" as well as good cost.
>
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

Very simply, pick whatever looks best to you. Pretty much all materials
are just fine in kitchens these days, including wood.

When wood floors were finished with waxes and whatnot they didn't do
well in kitchens, but with modern polyurethane finishes they do fine
unless you are in the habit of keeping an inch of standing water in your
kitchen.

I have tile in my current kitchen, had vinyl in a previous one and
linoleum in one before that and all of them have been just fine.

As for "green", most everything buy vinyl is pretty "green". Wood and
bamboo are renewable, tile is natural materials, and linoleum is mostly
sawdust and linseed oil.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> What color is your tile, Cathy? In a previous home in Ohio, we had an
> almond color ceramic tile put down by the previous owner, with no spares
> on
> hand. There were a couple of tiles that had hairline cracks and a couple
> that had tiny chips in them which revealed the darker color below the
> almond glaze. I bought a bottle of almond colored appliance touch up
> paint. Working very quickly I used a tiny brush to force the paint into
> the cracks and chips, quickly wiping all excess off the surface. They
> damages were virtually invisible unless you were down on your knees
> looking
> for them. Something to consider.
>

Wayne,

Our tiles in the kitchen/laundry have a sort of very light 'peachy'
background color with patches/swirls(?) of various shades of brown in them.
We did fill in the crack with some grouting (if that's what it's called?)
that we tried to make the same color as the main part of the tile with some
coloring - but like I said it still shows if you look closely. Irritates
the cr*p outta me, because the previous owners left a whole bunch of other
useless stuff behind in the yard and they only picked up some of it - sigh.
A couple of spare tiles would have been a god-send, but I never thought to
ask if they had any before they left... silly me.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

> Goomba > wrote:
>>
>> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
>> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
>> downstairs is hardwood.
>>
>> Thanks for any input
>> Goomba

I've seen a lot of kitchen floors in my day:

The real quarry tile was absolutely gorgeous, and I didn't find it hard on
the legs, but anything we dropped on it was history.

The vinyl was easy to care for but I just didn't like the plastic look.

The Pergo was a winner, partly because it looked great but also because I
could choose a color to match the carpet in an adjoining sitting area.

My Senior Daughter has real wood, which is gorgeous and doesn't seem to show
wear and tear.

Given my druthers, especially if color is a big factor, I'd go for Pergo.

Felice

Goomba wrote:
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range
> (the top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and
> over the range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer
> refrigerator but we can live with the old one until I find the
> perfect appliance at the best price. Lighting changes and flooring
> are still undecided.
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the
> past. I was younger then so might have been less aware of problems,
> but am concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am
> getting older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are
> ergodynamically poor choices down the road after standing in the
> kitchen for extended periods. I recall my mother explaining how good
> dance floors are wood and impact absorbing properties over hard
> cement floors that are more jarring to your body. Yet wood floors
> aren't too practical in kitchens, are they?? I'm also interested in
> linoleum as I keep reading that it might be fairly "green" as well as
> good cost.
> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Goomba

I don't have any recommendations, just personal observations. We have tile
in our kitchen and we bought a whole box of extras. The problem for us
isn't matching broken tiles, but matching the grout. Grout colors are
discontinuted after several years and even if you are able to get the
correct grout, the batch color may be different than what you have
installed. I don't find the tile any more hard to stand on than anything
else and it is extremely easy to clean. It doesn't show wear.

A friend had a hardwood floor installed in her kitchen (I can't remember for
sure, maybe 7-8 years ago). I know that they had the hard duty finish
applied to it. In the spots where she usually stands to prep food, there is
an ugly grey worn spot. This isn't water spillage, it is simply worn
through the finish. The spot began to be noticeable about 18 months ago and
now it can't be missed.
Janet

Pete C. > wrote:

>As for "green", most everything buy vinyl is pretty "green". Wood and
>bamboo are renewable, tile is natural materials, and linoleum is mostly
>sawdust and linseed oil.

Probably "greenest" is a heavy tile over a subfloor that is
insulated below. This will create thermal mass and keep
temperatures even day and night. The greenest house is
a well-insulated one with thermal mass within the insulated
space.

Tile might be considered hard and uncomfortable. But as you
get older and your joints start to become deficient, it
is likely you will trend towards wearing shoes indoors,
especially when working in the kitchen, and then the
hardness of the floor material is less relevant to comfort.

(My biomechanics guy admonished me "don't walk around the
house barefoot!" and damned if he isn't absolutely correct,
in my case.)

Steve

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:37:48 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

snip to my lou
>
>I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
>hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
>was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
>concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting
>older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically
>poor choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended
>periods. I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood
>and impact absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
>jarring to your body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens,
>are they?? I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it
>might be fairly "green" as well as good cost.
>
>The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
>room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
>downstairs is hardwood.
>
>Thanks for any input
>Goomba

My daughter has 12" tile floors and I always need to wear shoes or
thick flip flops when working in her kitchen, my feet and legs get too
tired if I don't. I suppose you could get some nice cushy floor mats
in your work area though if you fine some tile you just love.

koko
--
There is no love more sincere than the love of food.
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 6/25

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 06:51:25a, Billy told us...

> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:09:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>> I have black appliances.
>
> So..what's your secret to keeping them spotless?
> I have two black dishwashers on either side of the sink and they
> always need maintainence.

A 3:2 mixture of water and white vinegar. Wash down with a saturated but
wrung out rag, followed by a drying/buffing with a dry soft cloth.



--
Wayne Boatwright
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Real men don't set for stun.
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On Sun 06 Jul 2008 07:07:49a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Wayne Boatwright >
> 6.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 04:51:35a, ChattyCathy told us...
>>
>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love
>>>> or hate it?
>>>
>>> I have tile flooring in the kitchen (and most of the house). I like
>>> it. It looks good, is pretty hard wearing and if you spill something
>>> on it it's easy to clean up in two ticks. I haven't found it any
>>> harder on my back/legs than vinyl or hard wood in the kitchen (and I
>>> think I'm a tad older than you <grin>). But... if you don't have
>>> under-floor heating it can be a bit cold in winter.
>>>
>>> Another thing I will point out about tile floors tho' - be aware that
>>> if you drop any heavy cook-ware etc. on it in the kitchen the tiles
>>> may crack
>
> <snip for space>
>
> Our porcelain is so patterned (dark) that I don't think you could tell if
> there was a crack in it or not. We'll see. This is my first experience
> with a tile floor. We have a couple of boxes of "extras" if we need to
> make repairs. Our old floor was linoleum and the kitchen floors in the
> condos were parquet. It'll be interesting to see what happens as time
> wears on.
>
>>
>> What color is your tile, Cathy? In a previous home in Ohio, we had an
>> almond color ceramic tile put down by the previous owner, with no
>> spares on hand. There were a couple of tiles that had hairline cracks
>> and a couple that had tiny chips in them which revealed the darker
>> color below the almond glaze. I bought a bottle of almond colored
>> appliance touch up paint. Working very quickly I used a tiny brush to
>> force the paint into the cracks and chips, quickly wiping all excess
>> off the surface. They damages were virtually invisible unless you
>> were down on your knees looking for them. Something to consider.
>
> I am "told" that the porcelain we bought is harder than traditional
> ceramic tile. My brother also has porcelain in his kitchen. He loves
> it. He did say that anything you drop on the floor will most likely get
> broken.
>
> Michael
>
>

Yes, porcelain is harder than ceramic. Also, with many porcelain tiles,
the color runs throughout the tile. It should not show scratches easily.

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On Sun 06 Jul 2008 07:11:54a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Wayne Boatwright >
> 6.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not to
>> mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>
> A lot of people like SS appliances. I don't think it's for us either. We
> chose white. We might have made a mistake with the refrigerator. It's a
> pretty tight squeeze in the space we have it in.
>
> Michael

I like white as well, but have had far too many kitchens with white
appliances over my lifetime. It was definitely time for a change. :-)


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"Pete C." wrote:
>
> Pretty much all materials are just fine in kitchens these days,
> including wood.
>
> When wood floors were finished with waxes and whatnot they
> didn't do well in kitchens, but with modern polyurethane finishes
> they do fine unless you are in the habit of keeping an inch of
> standing water in your kitchen.

Years ago woods for flooring were very limited in variety and not of
very high quality, mostly local woods were used, whatever grew in
nearby forests. Today woods for flooring are available from all over
the world and are specially grown for exceptionally appealing grain
patterns, density, and clear of imperfections. Installation systems
used today are far superior for preciseness and longivety. Modern
wood finishing substances are far different as well, and are water
based so there is no odor, and curing time is fast so many coats can
be applied with little inconvenience.

Wood floors can be easily and inexpensively be refinished many times
and even the wood itself can be changed to a darker or lighter hue...
so once installed the typical wood floor will last several
generations. I strongly recommend no one waste their money on
composite/laminate wood flooring, it looks fake because it is fake,
and can't be refinished... either get real wood flooring or move on to
something else.

The one thing to keep in mind however is a proper modern installation
is not for the do it yourselfer, special training and equipment is
necessary... don't even think about renting a floor sander, yoiu'll
only ruin your floor... a modern flooring sander is laser controlled
for depth and levelness, and produces no dust, and requires great
skill, such a sander costs better than $50,000.

If anyone decides on wood flooring I strongly recommend finding an
installer with proper credentials:
http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer

And learn how to properly care for your wood floor:
http://www.bona.com/global/?sr=us

Todays wood flooring is not your father's gym floor.

Every room in my house had hardwood flooring except the kitchen area,
it had ugly green vinyl tiles. I called the fellow who installed the
original wood flooring, he had retired but his son had taken over so
he did the new floor.

Installation well underway:
http://i28.tinypic.com/2rf80m9.jpg

Turned out lovely:
http://i32.tinypic.com/20b0k14.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/2lo5bf6.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2vv2erc.jpg

It's been five years now and I have absolutely no regrets.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 08:28:00a, ChattyCathy told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>
>> What color is your tile, Cathy? In a previous home in Ohio, we had an
>> almond color ceramic tile put down by the previous owner, with no
>> spares on hand. There were a couple of tiles that had hairline cracks
>> and a couple that had tiny chips in them which revealed the darker
>> color below the almond glaze. I bought a bottle of almond colored
>> appliance touch up paint. Working very quickly I used a tiny brush to
>> force the paint into the cracks and chips, quickly wiping all excess
>> off the surface. They damages were virtually invisible unless you were
>> down on your knees looking for them. Something to consider.
>>
>
> Wayne,
>
> Our tiles in the kitchen/laundry have a sort of very light 'peachy'
> background color with patches/swirls(?) of various shades of brown in
> them. We did fill in the crack with some grouting (if that's what it's
> called?) that we tried to make the same color as the main part of the
> tile with some coloring - but like I said it still shows if you look
> closely. Irritates the cr*p outta me, because the previous owners left a
> whole bunch of other useless stuff behind in the yard and they only
> picked up some of it - sigh. A couple of spare tiles would have been a
> god-send, but I never thought to ask if they had any before they left...
> silly me.

Well, sorry. It was just a thought. :-(

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Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> Goomba wrote:
> > I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> > ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range
> > (the top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and
> > over the range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer
> > refrigerator but we can live with the old one until I find the
> > perfect appliance at the best price. Lighting changes and flooring
> > are still undecided.
> > I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> > hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the
> > past. I was younger then so might have been less aware of problems,
> > but am concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am
> > getting older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are
> > ergodynamically poor choices down the road after standing in the
> > kitchen for extended periods. I recall my mother explaining how good
> > dance floors are wood and impact absorbing properties over hard
> > cement floors that are more jarring to your body. Yet wood floors
> > aren't too practical in kitchens, are they?? I'm also interested in
> > linoleum as I keep reading that it might be fairly "green" as well as
> > good cost.
> > The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> > room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> > downstairs is hardwood.
> >
> > Thanks for any input
> > Goomba
>
> I don't have any recommendations, just personal observations. We have tile
> in our kitchen and we bought a whole box of extras. The problem for us
> isn't matching broken tiles, but matching the grout. Grout colors are
> discontinuted after several years and even if you are able to get the
> correct grout, the batch color may be different than what you have
> installed. I don't find the tile any more hard to stand on than anything
> else and it is extremely easy to clean. It doesn't show wear.
>
> A friend had a hardwood floor installed in her kitchen (I can't remember for
> sure, maybe 7-8 years ago). I know that they had the hard duty finish
> applied to it. In the spots where she usually stands to prep food, there is
> an ugly grey worn spot. This isn't water spillage, it is simply worn
> through the finish. The spot began to be noticeable about 18 months ago and
> now it can't be missed.
> Janet

Wood floors can be readily refinished, and if you act a bit more
proactively, a very light sanding and a fresh coat of poly every few
years will keep it from ever getting to the bloody obvious wear stage.

Giusi wrote:

> I have been blaming "the day after" backaches on my age, but lately I have
> been hearing much younger peiople claim it is the tile or stone floors we
> all have. Mind you, I don't experience it unless I have spent a 10 or 12
> hour day working, so who knows?

yeah, that's exactly what I'd like to avoid or protect against. I get
enough wear and tear on my back and legs at work that I'd like to pamper
them a bit more at home.

In article >,
Goomba > wrote:
>I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
>ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
>top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
>range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
>but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at
>the best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
>I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
>hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I
>was younger then so might have been less aware of problems, but am
>concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for comfort? I am getting
>older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile floors are ergodynamically
>poor choices down the road after standing in the kitchen for extended
>periods. I recall my mother explaining how good dance floors are wood
>and impact absorbing properties over hard cement floors that are more
>jarring to your body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens,
>are they?? I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it
>might be fairly "green" as well as good cost.
>
>The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
>room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
>downstairs is hardwood.
>
>Thanks for any input
>Goomba

Goomba,

I have Marmoleum ("original" linoleum, made with linseed oil) in my
kitchen and utility room, on recommendation of my designer - I have hw
floors in the living room (adjacent) and she recommended against hw in the
kitchen because it might be hard to match (and it was a good visual
change).

It comes in marbled/"sponged" colors and will last forever. Foot-feel is
comparable to modern "linoleum" (vinyl) although it's more pleasant
to walk on barefoot. If you get someone skilled in installation
(we have a local floor shop where there is a floor artist in residence
.... he's done an "oriental carpet" in Marmoleum) you can get some nice
designs. My kitchen is pretty basic - burgundy plum edge/backsplash,
white border, sage/celadon green body (that has black, white, and gray
"sponge" patterns).

It would be totally appropriate for all the rooms you mention. Like I
said, it will last forever.

Charlotte
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ChattyCathy wrote:

> I have tile flooring in the kitchen (and most of the house). I like it. It
> looks good, is pretty hard wearing and if you spill something on it it's
> easy to clean up in two ticks. I haven't found it any harder on my
> back/legs than vinyl or hard wood in the kitchen (and I think I'm a tad
> older than you <grin>). But... if you don't have under-floor heating it can
> be a bit cold in winter.

I loved our under floor heating system in both our apartments in
Germany. It was so cozy in the winter! And makes sense as heat rises.

> ...I now have a (hairline) crack in
> two tiles, and I don't have any spares (the previous owners put the
> flooring in and didn't leave any 'extras')... It's not *that* noticeable,
> you have to look pretty closely - but *I* know it's there, and it annoys
> the heck outta me. However, it will mean replacing the whole
> kitchen/laundry floor to fix it because I cannot get the same
> design/pattern anymore, I've looked - sigh. I'm just not up for that at the
> moment. It's not just the expense, it's the inconvenience of having the
> kitchen 'out of action' while it's being re-done. So, if you do go for
> tile, may I suggest you get a few extras and keep them - just in case?

Excellent advice!

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not to
> mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

That industrial look is what made them attractive to a lot of people.
Industrial look means quality and good performance right? That industrial
look is pure marketing genius. We looked at a Jenn Air range that was
selling for $3900. It looked as though they took a cheap range and just put
a stainless steel shell over it and jacked up the price.

Our new range is stainless and black. The MW above it is too. I don't like
a black refrigerator though, just too much black mass for my tastes.

I'll take SS over avocado, coppertone, harvest gold and turquoise though. I
do like white!

Sheldon wrote:

> I love my hardwood (Brazilian cherry) kitchen floor... I have the same
> floor in a half bath and my laundry room too.. with the new space age
> sealers and cleaning systems moisture is not a problem. Whichever
> material make sure to have the floor installed full room/wall to wall,
> *before* cabinets/appliances go in, most especially if you choose
> tile.
>
Hmmmmmm...I could have sworn our installer said to do the cabinets first
to save money? He didn't recommend putting costly flooring under
appliances but he'd be shimming up the cabinets a bit higher to
compensate for the height of tile if we used it and it would avoid the
appliances being a skosh lower than the floor.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 08:28:00a, ChattyCathy told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What color is your tile, Cathy? In a previous home in Ohio, we had an
>>> almond color ceramic tile put down by the previous owner, with no
>>> spares on hand. There were a couple of tiles that had hairline cracks
>>> and a couple that had tiny chips in them which revealed the darker
>>> color below the almond glaze. I bought a bottle of almond colored
>>> appliance touch up paint. Working very quickly I used a tiny brush to
>>> force the paint into the cracks and chips, quickly wiping all excess
>>> off the surface. They damages were virtually invisible unless you were
>>> down on your knees looking for them. Something to consider.
>>>
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> Our tiles in the kitchen/laundry have a sort of very light 'peachy'
>> background color with patches/swirls(?) of various shades of brown in
>> them. We did fill in the crack with some grouting (if that's what it's
>> called?) that we tried to make the same color as the main part of the
>> tile with some coloring - but like I said it still shows if you look
>> closely. Irritates the cr*p outta me, because the previous owners left a
>> whole bunch of other useless stuff behind in the yard and they only
>> picked up some of it - sigh. A couple of spare tiles would have been a
>> god-send, but I never thought to ask if they had any before they left...
>> silly me.
>
> Well, sorry. It was just a thought. :-(
>
Oops. I didn't mean to sound rude or offend you, but we also had the same
idea and it didn't quite come off the way we hoped...which was a real
bummer. Maybe if the tiles were a 'solid color' it would have been just
fine. I could kick myself for not being more careful, but as they say, this
kinda sh*t happens, so I just wanted to warn Goomba to keep spares if she
goes that route ;-)
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

Goomba wrote:
> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently) and over the
> range microwave oven/hood. I'm looking for a bottom freezer refrigerator
> but we can live with the old one until I find the perfect appliance at
> the best price. Lighting changes and flooring are still undecided.
>
> I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they love or
> hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile in the past. I

> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> Thanks for any input


I saw an interesting floor in an old Denver house remodel a few weeks
ago. The kitchen was "U" shaped with light Craftsman cabinets and open
to much of the first floor. The area along the cabinets was wood
floored, matching the rest of the house, for about 36 inches outward and
the middle of the floor (where you'd be less likely to drop things) was
12 or 14 inch tiles of the same granite as the solid countertop, maybe
5x5 or 6x6 rows of tiles. It was very pretty.

Tile is cold and unforgiving. I remember seeing a friend's remodel
about a year after and noting that most of the ceramic tiles in front of
the fridge were cracked from having things dropped on them.

We currently have oak flooring in all the public rooms of the house and
have had it refinished about every 10 years because of wear. The
kitchen floor gets washed much more often than the rest because I'm a
messy cook, I guess.
:-(

gloria p

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 09:19:32a, Edwin Pawlowski told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not to
>> mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> That industrial look is what made them attractive to a lot of people.
> Industrial look means quality and good performance right? That
> industrial look is pure marketing genius. We looked at a Jenn Air range
> that was selling for $3900. It looked as though they took a cheap range
> and just put a stainless steel shell over it and jacked up the price.

And good marketing, especially from kitchen designers.

> Our new range is stainless and black. The MW above it is too. I don't
> like a black refrigerator though, just too much black mass for my
> tastes.

I like your range a lot! Our refrigerator has a black cabinet, but the
doors are actually covered in brushed aluminum with a thick acrylic
coating. Looks pretty much like SS, but without the effort of upkeep. It
also has a somewhat "softer" look to it.

> I'll take SS over avocado, coppertone, harvest gold and turquoise
> though. I do like white!

Agreed on the colors. I chose black because I had lived with decades of
white. The other issue with white is that the plastic parts often turn
yellow with use and age. No amount of cleaning seems to resolve that
problem.

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On Jul 6, 11:36�am, "Felice" > wrote:
> > Goomba > wrote:
>
> >> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
> >> room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
> >> downstairs is hardwood.
>
> >> Thanks for any input
> >> Goomba
>
> I've seen a lot of kitchen floors in my day:
>
> The real quarry tile was absolutely gorgeous, and I didn't find it hard on
> the legs, but anything we dropped on it was history.
>
> The vinyl was easy to care for but I just didn't like the plastic look.
>
> The Pergo was a winner, partly because it looked great but also because I
> could choose a color to match the carpet in an adjoining sitting area.
>
> My Senior Daughter has real wood, which is gorgeous and doesn't seem to show
> wear and tear.
>
> Given my druthers, especially if color is a �big factor, I'd go for Pergo.
>
> Felice

Pergo is not wood, it's also plastic and looks like plastic, every
section is identical.

Real wood can be stained/bleached to any color, plus there are
hundreds of types of wood.

Pergo actually costs more than real wood, but people buy Pergo and its
ilk because it's faster (instant flooring). One major problem with
laminated flooring (Pergo) is unless your subfloor is perfect your new
Pergo floor will look like crap, every imperfection will not only
transfer but will be magnified. Real wood flooring is 3/4" thick, it
hides all small imperfections and larger ones can easily be rough
filled with no concern to small gaps. With Pergo, and lino, in most
caes a new subfloor is required (rip out the old and install new), can
easily double the cost... so yet another reason I went with real
wood... my old vinyl floor had lots of imperfections, so new vinyl
would have cost twice my wood floor. And ceramic required a "mud"
floor, costs much more than doubles the cost. I had ceramic tile in
my last house, after a few months I began to hate it... every tile is
the same so it's boring, and it's the same as walking on concrete
sidewalk, unless you wear good street shoes indoors it's very hard on
your back. To me ceramic tile has zero character, it's the fast food
flooring look.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Goomba" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I've mentioned here that we're updating/improving our kitchen. We've
>> ordered the cabinets and granite, and just purchased the new range (the
>> top rated gas model listed in Consumer's Reports recently)
>
> What brand/model would that be?

GE's Profile PGB910SEM, a five burner gas range with continuous grates,
this very cool looking 5th "bridge" burner (which comes with a removable
griddle) which should be great for some of our larger pans that we put
over two burners now. We ordered it from Sears and got a good holiday
sale price.


> There are some wood products that may be worth checking out. It certainly
> looks good. I'm not up on the latest so it may be good to visit the
> flooring store for more information.

I am leaning towards vinyl or linoleum, while my husband wants tile.
Wood appeals to me because the space is so large and public, yet also
encompasses many smaller rooms too. I'm just worried about the water
issues. Perhaps the mud room, laundry room and bathroom can be vinyl and
the kitchen and breakfast room wood? It would be important to have a
smooth, pleasant transition.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 09:20:24a, Jane told us...

> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 16:52:04, wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:37:48 -0400, Goomba >
>> wrote:
>>
>> snip to my lou
>>>
>>>I'd love to hear input from folks who have tile as to how they
>>>love or hate it? I currently have vinyl, but have had heated tile
>>>in the past. I was younger then so might have been less aware of
>>>problems, but am concerned with the "hardness" of the floor for
>>>comfort? I am getting older now (sob!) and don't want to find tile
>>>floors are ergodynamically poor choices down the road after
>>>standing in the kitchen for extended periods. I recall my mother
>>>explaining how good dance floors are wood and impact absorbing
>>>properties over hard cement floors that are more jarring to your
>>>body. Yet wood floors aren't too practical in kitchens, are they??
>>> I'm also interested in linoleum as I keep reading that it might
>>>be fairly "green" as well as good cost.
>>>
>>>The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen, breakfast
>>>room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom. The rest of the
>>>downstairs is hardwood.
>>>
>>>Thanks for any input
>>>Goomba
>>
>> My daughter has 12" tile floors and I always need to wear shoes or
>> thick flip flops when working in her kitchen, my feet and legs get
>> too tired if I don't. I suppose you could get some nice cushy
>> floor mats in your work area though if you fine some tile you just
>> love.
>>
>
> That's an interesting point. I hadn't ever though about the
> hardness or give of a floor causing an ache but when you think about
> ti then it most probably does.
>

These mats are very comfortable over a tile floor:

http://www.clicknclean.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?
idcategory=&idproduct=102

or

http://tinyurl.com/6ms8cm

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enigma wrote:

> BTW, if you find a bottom freezer fridge that *doesn't* have
> a drawer freezer, let me know. those drawers are just plain
> useless.
> lee
>
do you mean the entire bottom section being a pull out drawer, or the
inner wire/plastic pull out drawer bins?
I've seen bottom freezers that have swing doors, just like a regular
refrigerator. I want the exterior pull out drawer style... and it MUST
have an ice maker, but I'm not looking for one of those ice and water
dispensers. I can pull the drawer open for ice and save a bundle, as
well as not lose space to the dispenser workings.

On Sun 06 Jul 2008 09:23:01a, Jane told us...

> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 14:09:21, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 05:37:30a, Nancy Young told us...
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young > wrote:
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> Goomba > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The floor choice would need to be practical for the kitchen,
>>>>>>> breakfast room, mud room, laundry room and guest bathroom.
>>>>>>> The rest of the downstairs is hardwood.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally have no problem with vinyl, although the people on
>>>>>> HGTV would cringe if you suggested it!
>>>>>
>>>>> They put down vinyl tile often.
>>>
>>>> I only see them rip it up and put down slate or something
>>>> similar. I must be watching the wrong shows! And stainless
>>>> appliances, UGH. As in, UGLY. Sorry, I just don't see the appeal.
>>>
>>> I don't know what they think of it, they are putting in what
>>> sells. People like it. It's not for me.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>
>> Nor me. I have black appliances. SS seems cold and industrial, not
>> to mention a bitch to keep in pristine condition.
>>
>
> I like black too but I would have thought black was hard work.
>
> Wouldn't the smallest fingerprint on a black surface get picked out
> by the light and stand out? Also any drying marks from wiping a
> black surface with a damp cloth.
>

It's not that hard, really. I wipe them down with a solution of water and
white vinegar, followed by a dry soft cloth to dry and buff. It glistens.
SS is ar more work.

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