On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:13:35 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 05:14:53 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Don't know what wiill come to fruition come
>> > Sunday. Mom will probably just eat some toast.
>>
>> Did you say your mom wouldn't drink Ensure? I met someone yesterday
>> who was under doctor's orders to gain 20 pounds, she's gained 10 by
>> drinking Ensure twice a day.
>
>She doesn't like it, or any of the similar concoctions

no fool, she.

your pal,
blake
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The Cook wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 04:14:31 -0400, "kilikini"
> > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:58:06 -0400, "kilikini"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you say your mom wouldn't drink Ensure? I met someone
>>>>>> yesterday who was under doctor's orders to gain 20 pounds, she's
>>>>>> gained 10 by drinking Ensure twice a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> She doesn't like it, or any of the similar concoctions
>>>>
>>>> I don't either, Jill. They have a distinct vitamin taste and are
>>>> kind of sludgy. I can't get them down. Allan buys them for me
>>>> when I can't eat, but I can't drink those nasty things, either!
>>>>
>>> I was just wondering about Jill's mom.... but why can't you do
>>> smoothies made with ice cream and whole milk?
>>
>> I'm lactose intolerant. Just thinking about ice cream or milk makes
>> my stomach hurt. :~)
>>
>> kili
>>
>
> What about yogurt? Does it also cause a problem? I make smoothies
> with yogurt and fruit only. No milk or ice.

Yep, I can't do yogurt, either; it's been like that since I was about 13
years old and I've been bummed about it ever since. Even cream-based soups
(which I LOVE, by the way) I can't tolerate - although I still try because
they're *so* good. I've gotta have my fix; I just suffer for it later.
LOL.

Fruit is another "iffy" thing. I can eat blueberries, cantaloupe, pears,
papaya and apples. Pretty much everything else is off-limits. I'm not
complaining, it's just something I've learned to deal with since I was a
kid. :~)

kili

jmcquown wrote:
> Steve Pope > wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I'm farily astounded to learn that whole fennel seeds
>> are ever found in Italian sausages. I just came back from
>> the local grocery store, and I looked at each brand of
>> Italian sausage and didn't see any whole seeds.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Well, I grilled a couple of Italian links along with the burgers on
> 7/4 and yes, it contained whole fennel seeds. I was merely snacking,
> not using it in a recipe so no biggie to pick them out. But they
> were definitely in there.
>
> Jill

I've never been a fan of fennel seeds, nor is my husband. I was making an
old family recipe, one time, of what we have always called Italian Casserole
(Rotini pasta, Italian sausage, ground beef, red sauce and cheese all baked
together in a gooey mess) and I mistakenly grabbed Italian sausage with
whole fennel seed in it. I'm not kidding you; I picked out every single
fennel seed from that sausage I could find. LOL.

TFM®, my sausage loving husband, has since informed me that he'd prefer I
don't buy Italian sausage anymore because of the fennel flavor. I will
happily oblige. We were recently married at the time when I bought it and I
didn't know he didn't care for it. I knew *I* didn't; I just assumed *he*
did, because he eats just about darn near anything. We're currently a
fennel-free household. :~)

kili

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 04:14:31 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>I'm lactose intolerant. Just thinking about ice cream or milk makes my
>stomach hurt. :~)

You can eat yogurt, can't you? How about (fruit) smoothies made with
yogurt and soy milk? Both you and Jill's mom need some calories.


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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:05:41 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>Fruit is another "iffy" thing. I can eat blueberries, cantaloupe, pears,
>papaya and apples. Pretty much everything else is off-limits. I'm not
>complaining, it's just something I've learned to deal with since I was a
>kid. :~)

Not even bananas?


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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:49:51 -0600, Gloria P >
wrote:

>
>>
>> Good idea! I also have to seed the tomatoes. I'm going to the grocery
>> store tomorrow; I see Italian sausage in my future
>>
>> Jill
>
>
>
>Beware--most Italian sausage contains fennel seeds.
>
If she makes it herself, which isn't hard, she could grind up the
fennel to a powder if necessary. I'd just make the loose mix -
although I've stuffed casings in the past. The only time I need hot
dog shaped italian sausage is if I want it in a hot dog bun.



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Dave Smith > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Yes, I'm farily astounded to learn that whole fennel seeds
>> are ever found in Italian sausages. I just came back from
>> the local grocery store, and I looked at each brand of
>> Italian sausage and didn't see any whole seeds. I just
>> wouldn't expect them. I susepct that since San Francisco
>> once had a thriving Italian-American population sausage
>> makers just naturally know you're supposed to use ground fennel.

>There is a big Italian population around here too, and it is in the
>Italian stores that I am most likely to find the whole fennel.

Thanks.

I'm begginning to feel like I'm living under a rock!

Steve

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:12:53 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>True... I'll have to check it over carefully. Or maybe I'll just skip the
>sausage and do roasted seeded eggplant with a (smooth) tomato sauce and lots
>of fresh mozzarella.

Fennel is the main flavor of italian sausage.... without it, the
sausage isn't italian! My first suggestion is to try to try to find
ground fennel and make it yourself. Otherwise, switch to plan B.


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Mae West

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:05:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> Christine Dabney > wrote:
>>
>> >I don't know if you have any places in your area that have fresh
>> >Italian sausage made on premises, but sometimes you can find Italian
>> >sausage made without fennel seeds. I knew of a few places in the sfba
>> >that one could find it that way.
>>
>> >Might be worth checking out, if you really need Italian sausage some
>> >day.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I've never seen intact fennel seeds in
>> Italian sausage. Ground fennel, sure.
>>
>
>I have.And I really hate it.

I have and I love them. Now it's 50-50.


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Mae West

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:15:31 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

> I susepct that since San Francisco
>once had a thriving Italian-American population sausage
>makers just naturally know you're supposed to use ground fennel.

Put the emphasis on *once*... I think it's the myriad of transplants
who can't take whole fennel. Commercial Italian sausage is pretty
much namby pamby these days.


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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:07:24 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Cayenne?? Why not crushed red pepper (the kind commonly used and found
>on Pizza joint tables)?

For the same reason fennel has to be ground, silly.


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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 01:31:42 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

>No reason you couldn't, but I haven't seen that in Italian sausage.

I'd like to know what those red flecks are that I see in hot italian
sausage, in that case.


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"jmcquown" > wrote in
:

> Steve Pope > wrote:
>> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>> [fennel]
>>
>> > I don't have a problem with the flavour. It is fine when ground. It
>> > is the whole seeds that I don't like.
>>
>> Yes, I'm farily astounded to learn that whole fennel seeds
>> are ever found in Italian sausages. I just came back from
>> the local grocery store, and I looked at each brand of
>> Italian sausage and didn't see any whole seeds.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Well, I grilled a couple of Italian links along with the burgers on
> 7/4 and yes, it contained whole fennel seeds. I was merely snacking,
> not using it in a recipe so no biggie to pick them out. But they were
> definitely in there.
>
> Jill
>
>

What if you made your own Italian suasage and pre ground the fennel? That
way you'd get the taste but not the seed. Of course you'd have to reduce
the amount of fennel used if you ground it. (cut to climatic music and
surf crashing on the rocks).

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1 pound ground pork
1 teaspoon fennel seeds
1/2 teaspoon cayenne
1/4 teaspoon black pepper
1 teaspoon salt

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Steve Pope wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> [fennel]
>
>> I don't have a problem with the flavour. It is fine when ground. It
>> is the whole seeds that I don't like.
>
> Yes, I'm farily astounded to learn that whole fennel seeds
> are ever found in Italian sausages. I just came back from
> the local grocery store, and I looked at each brand of
> Italian sausage and didn't see any whole seeds. I just
> wouldn't expect them. I susepct that since San Francisco
> once had a thriving Italian-American population sausage
> makers just naturally know you're supposed to use ground fennel.

And every Italian sausage I've ever eaten has had whole fennel seeds in
it. (I live in the same area you do.)

Serene

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hahabogus > wrote:

>What if you made your own Italian suasage and pre ground the fennel? That
>way you'd get the taste but not the seed. Of course you'd have to reduce
>the amount of fennel used if you ground it. (cut to climatic music and
>surf crashing on the rocks).

I'm not sure about reducing the amount of fennel. I find
that one pound of ground pork can absorb a huge about of
ground fennel ... 3 tablespoons or more. For whatever reason
it's a flavor combination you can really go heavy on.

Steve

Serene Vannoy > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Yes, I'm farily astounded to learn that whole fennel seeds
>> are ever found in Italian sausages. I just came back from
>> the local grocery store, and I looked at each brand of
>> Italian sausage and didn't see any whole seeds. I just
>> wouldn't expect them. I susepct that since San Francisco
>> once had a thriving Italian-American population sausage
>> makers just naturally know you're supposed to use ground fennel.

>And every Italian sausage I've ever eaten has had whole fennel seeds in
>it. (I live in the same area you do.)

Interesting. I looked very closely at the Molinari brand
sausage at Andronicos and saw no seeds. Am I just not seeing them?

Steve

On Jul 6, 5:14*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> I've been up since 3AM cooking half-slices of bacon so as to reseason my 8"
> Lodge cast iron skillet...
>
> I've written up a breakfast menu for Mom, as follows (keep in mind I'd like
> her to reach 80 lbs. body weight):

How about oatmeal porrige with bananas and/or raisins served with some
brown sugar and cream?

Very simple but fairly decent calorie count and good ruffage.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:05:41 -0400, "kilikini"
> > wrote:
>
>> Fruit is another "iffy" thing. I can eat blueberries, cantaloupe,
>> pears, papaya and apples. Pretty much everything else is
>> off-limits. I'm not complaining, it's just something I've learned
>> to deal with since I was a kid. :~)
>
> Not even bananas?

Nope. This is another thing I learned as a kid. Bananas give me gas and
heartburn *all* dang day. I don't know what it is with them, but anything
that has banana in it I avoid like the plague. Don't they affect anyone
else similarly?

kili

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:28:23 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:05:41 -0400, "kilikini"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Fruit is another "iffy" thing. I can eat blueberries, cantaloupe,
>>> pears, papaya and apples. Pretty much everything else is
>>> off-limits. I'm not complaining, it's just something I've learned
>>> to deal with since I was a kid. :~)
>>
>> Not even bananas?
>
>Nope. This is another thing I learned as a kid. Bananas give me gas and
>heartburn *all* dang day. I don't know what it is with them, but anything
>that has banana in it I avoid like the plague. Don't they affect anyone
>else similarly?
>
not me.


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Mae West

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:03:49p, Christine Dabney told us...
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:41:47 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I was just wondering about Jill's mom.... but why can't you do
>>> smoothies made with ice cream and whole milk?
>> Aren't those called milkshakes?
>>


Except in Massachusetts where they are called frappes.
Or in parts of RI where they are called cabinets.

No, I DON'T know why.

gloria p

On Mon 07 Jul 2008 06:55:38p, Gloria P told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 06 Jul 2008 11:03:49p, Christine Dabney told us...
>>
>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:41:47 -0700, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was just wondering about Jill's mom.... but why can't you do
>>>> smoothies made with ice cream and whole milk?
>>> Aren't those called milkshakes?
>>>
>
>
> Except in Massachusetts where they are called frappes.
> Or in parts of RI where they are called cabinets.
>
> No, I DON'T know why.
>
> gloria p
>
>

Yes, I knew that, too, but I also don't know why. Seems there's a lot of
discussion over these terms, but no one seems to know the origin.

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"Wayne Boatwright" > ha Gloria P told us...
>> Except in Massachusetts where they are called frappes.
>> Or in parts of RI where they are called cabinets.
>>
>> No, I DON'T know why.
>>
>> gloria p
>>
>>
>
> Yes, I knew that, too, but I also don't know why. Seems there's a lot of
> discussion over these terms, but no one seems to know the origin.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

Frappe is from the French for beaten, but cabinet, no idea unless it is
something like the old cabinet pudding?

On Tue 08 Jul 2008 01:21:54a, Giusi told us...

> "Wayne Boatwright" > ha Gloria P told us...
>>> Except in Massachusetts where they are called frappes.
>>> Or in parts of RI where they are called cabinets.
>>>
>>> No, I DON'T know why.
>>>
>>> gloria p
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I knew that, too, but I also don't know why. Seems there's a lot
of
>> discussion over these terms, but no one seems to know the origin.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> Frappe is from the French for beaten, but cabinet, no idea unless it is
> something like the old cabinet pudding?
>
>

Yes, "frappe" makes some sense, but cabinet? Never knew why they called it
"cabinet pudding" either. :-)

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