After almost 19 years of wedded bliss, and heeding the adage:
"No man was ever killed by his wife while washing the dishes"
my husband told me Friday that we were buying a dishwasher
he'd seen on Craig's list.

After the initial shock, I said ok, and yesterday we picked up
the portable Maytag and hauled it into the house. Silly him.
we had no dishes to pile in and wash, he'd done them before
we left!

Now, as dishwasher virgins, we assiduously read the manual,
which told us to run a rinse cycle on the breakfast dishes if
we weren't washing them right away.

Does anyone else do this? Is it necessary? Do you run
a regular wash cycle or use the sanitize feature that heats
the water up? (Since most of the detergents I've run into
have bleach, is it necessary to sanitize the dishes?)

Will the dishes dry overnight if we don't run the dry cycle but
just open the door?

Inquiring minds want to know....

maxine in ri
cleaning out the pearl-handled .44
<g>

maxine in ri wrote:

> Now, as dishwasher virgins, we assiduously read the manual,
> which told us to run a rinse cycle on the breakfast dishes if
> we weren't washing them right away.
>
> Does anyone else do this?

*Never*

> Is it necessary? Do you run
> a regular wash cycle or use the sanitize feature that heats
> the water up?

I use the heated water function, but I have also a santize
feature. Whatever it is, I use it only when one of us has
some nasty cold.

> Will the dishes dry overnight if we don't run the dry cycle but
> just open the door?

Absolutely. I never use the heated dry feature. For that
matter, I don't open the door, either. Actually, I set it to
run in the middle of the night so the dishes are done (and
dry) in the morning.

> Inquiring minds want to know....

Don't fall into the trap of washing the dishes before you
put them in the dishwasher. Just scrape them into the
garbage and load them in.

nancy

maxine in ri wrote:

> Now, as dishwasher virgins, we assiduously read the manual,
> which told us to run a rinse cycle on the breakfast dishes if
> we weren't washing them right away.
>
> Does anyone else do this? Is it necessary?

Never done it, never needed to. I think the point is that if you are
letting the dishes sit a day or two before washing it *might* be a good
idea. But who does that? <shrug> Waste of money if you bought a good
machine.


Do you run
> a regular wash cycle or use the sanitize feature that heats
> the water up? (Since most of the detergents I've run into
> have bleach, is it necessary to sanitize the dishes?)

Do you "sanitize" them when hand washing? If you had some strange
illness that required extra caution...perhaps? But otherwise probably a
waste of energy resources.
Also assuming you purchased a decent machine (and I have no clue how
decent or not a "portable" machine might be?) there is also NO reason to
prewash or rinse the dishes off before loading and running. Waste of
water and time. Just scrape off debris and load, then wash.

>
> Will the dishes dry overnight if we don't run the dry cycle but
> just open the door?

I never use the heated dry cycle. And they dry just fine. In fact, in
the winter opening the door up as soon as the cycle is over adds welcome
humidity to the air.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know....
>
> maxine in ri

I like the Electrosol little disolving gel packs. Handy and fast, yet
don't require unwrapping individually nor measuring out.

On Jul 7, 9:42*am, Goomba > wrote:

> I think the point is that if you are
> letting the dishes sit a day or two before washing it *might* be a good
> idea. But who does that?

My wife, that's who.

She will not run the dishwasher unless it is full, an energy saving
initiative, sure, but a silly one if we end up having no clean cutlery
or if some of my implements are tucked away in there. She was gone
two weeks to a conference and then visiting her family parts out west
and never once did I feel motivated to use the dishwasher. I washed
everything by hand, dried by hand and put away by hand. I always do
that anyway with my pots and skillets and some of my knives.

We recently bought a new dishwasher after ten years living with one
that was already an antiquity when we got it. My son's mother sold it
to us when she moved away and it served us a good long time, but it
got old and things started going wrong a while back. I like the new
one...the door stays shut, it doesn't leak and it has better control
over water ejection.

As for the door being open, that is my wife's preferred way of drying
dishes, rather than wasting energy to do something that nature has
provided a safe way to do. It's called evaporation.

We usually pull the bottom tray out too, to prevent the cats from
trying to use the door as a sleeping platform.

In the winter, the dishwasher sits by the big window, between the
fridge and the stove, and it gets wheeled a short distance to the
sink. In the summer, that spot is taken up by the standup air
conditioner so it is moved to the other end of the kitchen where it
blocks the back stairs for everyone but the cats. It has to be
wheeled out of a tight corner which means I get to do more dishes but
on the other hand, it does not overheat the kitchen as much with hot
water.

maxine in ri wrote:
>
> After almost 19 years of wedded bliss, and heeding the adage:
> "No man was ever killed by his wife while washing the dishes"
> my husband told me Friday that we were buying a dishwasher
> he'd seen on Craig's list.
>
> After the initial shock, I said ok, and yesterday we picked up
> the portable Maytag and hauled it into the house. Silly him.
> we had no dishes to pile in and wash, he'd done them before
> we left!
>
> Now, as dishwasher virgins, we assiduously read the manual,
> which told us to run a rinse cycle on the breakfast dishes if
> we weren't washing them right away.
>
> Does anyone else do this? Is it necessary? Do you run
> a regular wash cycle or use the sanitize feature that heats
> the water up? (Since most of the detergents I've run into
> have bleach, is it necessary to sanitize the dishes?)
>
> Will the dishes dry overnight if we don't run the dry cycle but
> just open the door?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know....
>
> maxine in ri
> cleaning out the pearl-handled .44
> <g>

Congratulations Your DH will be so happy, as will you be! We didn't
have an automatic DW either for 17+ years, then we bought a portable one
off of Craig's List a little more than a year ago, too. DH hasn't done
the dishes except once or twice since then - he's in heaven

I've never use the rinse cycle on the DW. I do, however, hand-rinse the
dishes of foodstuff because they don't always get put into the DW right
away. Also, I never use the dry cycle either. I just disconnect the DW
and let the dishes dry on their own. I always operate the DW when it
has a full load, so that's about once every 7-10 days. I don't use the
'sanitizing' feature unless something really needs it, which is seldom.

Since you're getting a portable DW, be sure that one of you is always
home when it is in use, and never operate it after going to bed. An
inadvertent internal house flood is not recommended!!! I set my timer
for about 55 minutes to remind me to turn off the water faucet when the
portable DW cycle is complete.

Sky

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

maxine in ri wrote:
>
> Now, as dishwasher virgins, we assiduously read the manual,
> which told us to run a rinse cycle on the breakfast dishes if
> we weren't washing them right away.

The keyword is breakfast... the manual assumes you served eggs and/or
cooked cereal... eggs and cooked cereal tend to cook onto the dishes
so should be rinsed off.

> Does anyone else do this? �Is it necessary? �

I give all dishes a cursory rinse... I'm not looking to save water or
energy, I'm looking to save redundant labor... if even one dish
doesn't wash clean then I not only need to wash it by hand I also have
to check all other dishes for schmutz... a quick pre rinse is no
biggie. Also by rinsing dishes your dishwasher won't stink... I mean
that should be obvious... imagine a load of dishes sitting over night
encrusted with the remains of a fish dinner.

> Do you run
> a regular wash cycle or use the sanitize feature that heats
> the water up? (Since most of the detergents I've run into
> have bleach, is it necessary to sanitize the dishes?)

I always use the Dry feature, not Sanitize.

> Will the dishes dry overnight if we don't run the dry cycle but
> just open the door?

Depending on how carefully you load the machine is mosly what dictates
drying, and sometimes even if everythinjg is loaded correctly a few
items will move during washing and will collect water, then when
unloading water will splash on the dry items... so I always use the
Dry feature, that almost always dries any puddling... cup/mug bottoms
often collect a puddle. It's a good habit to unload the bottom rack
first.

How well any dishwasher cleans is highly dependant on water
hardness... if you have hard water the cleaning products wont work
well, you'll need to use a greater amount, then neither will it rinse
off well.

Keep in mind, the main purpose of a dishwasher is to save time and
labor, not money or water... water is cheap, if you're really worried
you'd do better not flushing your toilet each time you pee, and don't
let the water run while brushing your teeth. Washing dishes by hand,
when done correctly, really doesn't use any more water than a
dishwasher. Do not place your good dishes, good glassware, and good
flatware in your dishwasher, they will become etched... stainless
steel pots will etch too, and aluminum will become ruined. I wash all
pots by hand too... you need to scrub off burned on bits anyways so
while already into the act may as well finish the job (maybe yoose
enjoy premature withdrawal, I don't), plus pots take up too much room
that is better put to dish space, and pots tend to block water spray
in the dishwasher. They call it a "dishwasher" because its primary
function is for washing *dishes*.

"alsand. wrote:
>
> As for the door being open, that is my wife's preferred way of drying
> dishes, rather than wasting energy to do something that nature has
> provided a safe way to do. �It's called evaporation.

Stagnant water is a great way to encourage bacteria... dishes need to
be dried as soon as possible... water where food is involved should
never be left to evaporate. By your methods if you ran a restarant
the board of health would shut you down.

Sheldon wrote:

> Stagnant water is a great way to encourage bacteria... dishes need to
> be dried as soon as possible... water where food is involved should
> never be left to evaporate. By your methods if you ran a restarant
> the board of health would shut you down.

And yet I can't recall ever hearing of illness caused by dishes air
drying? The food should be long gone by the time the dishwasher has
done its job and the dishes left to dry.
Restaurants serving the public have much stricter rules for many reasons
that have nothing to do with what is commonly done at home.

Sky wrote:
>
> Since you're getting a portable DW, be sure that one of you is always
> home when it is in use, and never operate it after going to bed. �An
> inadvertent internal house flood is not recommended!!! �I set my timer
> for about 55 minutes to remind me to turn off the water faucet when the
> portable DW cycle is complete.


A built in dishwasher has no advantage over a portable in that regard,
in fact the portable at least has it's fill hose exposed so there's a
chance you will notice a small drip before it becomes a gusher, with
built ins you won't know there's a problem until it's too late.

And portables are of the same quality as built ins... portables cost
more because you pay for more cabinet.

It's a good idea to inspect the fill and drain hoses on a built in
dishwasher periodically while it's running... mine terminate at my
basement ceiling.... I go down my basement every day so I'd notice if
there was a puddle along side the cat's litter pans It's a good idea
to spend the few extra dollars for the braided stainless steel
jacketed hoses, for clothes washers too... they can still develop a
leak but they won't explode.

"l, not -l" wrote:

> I don't use a lot of dishes, so the DW is only run every couple of days; I
> rinse tough things like egg yolk off, under running water in the sink,
> before putting in DW, but never run rinse cycle.
>

It is the same here. With ust the two of us and only two meals at home each day
only need to run it every 3-4 days. However, we need the pots and pans daily, so
we wash them by hand. AFAIAC, we may as well just do the dishes by hand after
each meal. IMO it is a lot easier to just spend a few extra minutes to do a few
cups plates and cutlery at the same time and save the work of loading and
unloading the dishwasher, though it is handy if their is a crowd.

Sky wrote:
>
> and let the dishes dry on their own. �

Not a very hygienic habit.

> I always operate the DW when it
> has a full load, so that's about once every 7-10 days. �I don't use the
> 'sanitizing' feature unless something really needs it, which is seldom.

If you're leaving dirty dishes in your dishwasher a week or more you
definitely need to use the sanitizing feature... even if just to clean
your machine, it must smell disgusting. I guess you bathe every 7-10
days too.

Sheldon wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> >
> > and let the dishes dry on their own. �
>
> Not a very hygienic habit.
>
> > I always operate the DW when it
> > has a full load, so that's about once every 7-10 days. �I don't use the
> > 'sanitizing' feature unless something really needs it, which is seldom.
>
> If you're leaving dirty dishes in your dishwasher a week or more you
> definitely need to use the sanitizing feature... even if just to clean
> your machine, it must smell disgusting. I guess you bathe every 7-10
> days too.

Sheldon, it's never wise to make assumptions about anything regarding
anyone. Some folks aren't as "phobic" as others.

Sky, who refrains from assuming things and making comments about Sheldon

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

Sheldon wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> >
> > Since you're getting a portable DW, be sure that one of you is always
> > home when it is in use, and never operate it after going to bed. �An
> > inadvertent internal house flood is not recommended!!! �I set my timer
> > for about 55 minutes to remind me to turn off the water faucet when the
> > portable DW cycle is complete.
>
> A built in dishwasher has no advantage over a portable in that regard,
> in fact the portable at least has it's fill hose exposed so there's a
> chance you will notice a small drip before it becomes a gusher, with
> built ins you won't know there's a problem until it's too late.

The portable dishwasher I use (I can't comment on any other sorts of
DWs) attaches to the kitchen sink faucet, as most portable dishwashers
do. However, the connection between the DW hose & the faucet isn't
exactly sealed, so there is an obvious "fast dripping leak" when the hot
water is turned on to run the DW. I do not leave the hot water turned
on to the DW any longer than necessary due to this 'leakage' because it
would be a significant amount over a short period of time.

> And portables are of the same quality as built ins... portables cost
> more because you pay for more cabinet.
>
> It's a good idea to inspect the fill and drain hoses on a built in
> dishwasher periodically while it's running... mine terminate at my
> basement ceiling.... I go down my basement every day so I'd notice if
> there was a puddle along side the cat's litter pans It's a good idea
> to spend the few extra dollars for the braided stainless steel
> jacketed hoses, for clothes washers too... they can still develop a
> leak but they won't explode.

I don't disagree with the comments of the above. I'll also add that
it's never a good idea to operate ANY major appliance when no one is
home to keep an eye on things. A clothes washing machine can easily
cause an internal floor by overfilling and overfilling, same thing with
a dishwasher. A clothes dryer can cause a major fire. The potential
damage is substantial running into the thousands of dollars and more.
And don't forget about the pets!

Sky, who tries not to learn the hard way

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

Sheldon > wrote:
> "alsand. wrote:
> >
> > As for the door being open, that is my wife's preferred way of drying
> > dishes, rather than wasting energy to do something that nature has
> > provided a safe way to do. ???It's called evaporation.

> Stagnant water is a great way to encourage bacteria... dishes need to
> be dried as soon as possible... water where food is involved should
> never be left to evaporate. By your methods if you ran a restarant
> the board of health would shut you down.

Funny, the Health Department in my area really encourages air drying
of wares.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 06:32:13 -0700 (PDT), maxine in ri
> wrote:

>Now, as dishwasher virgins, we assiduously read the manual,
>which told us to run a rinse cycle on the breakfast dishes if
>we weren't washing them right away.
>
>Does anyone else do this? Is it necessary?

No. We rinse as we scrape into the sink where the garbage disposal
takes care of that stuff.

>Do you run
>a regular wash cycle or use the sanitize feature that heats
>the water up? (Since most of the detergents I've run into
>have bleach, is it necessary to sanitize the dishes?)

We use "Quick Wash" and we don't do pots and pans in the dishwasher.
>
>Will the dishes dry overnight if we don't run the dry cycle but
>just open the door?

We don't use the dry cycle on ours. We let the heat of the hot water
dry them over night. If someone opens the dishwasher before it has
cooled, then it remains open. Oh, don't forget to use JetDry. It
eliminates water spots.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Sky wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > Sky wrote:
>
> > > Since you're getting a portable DW, be sure that one of you is always
> > > home when it is in use, and never operate it after going to bed. �An
> > > inadvertent internal house flood is not recommended!!! �I set my timer
> > > for about 55 minutes to remind me to turn off the water faucet when the
> > > portable DW cycle is complete.
>
>
> > A built in dishwasher has no advantage over a portable in that regard,
> > in fact the portable at least has it's fill hose exposed so there's a
> > chance you will notice a small drip before it becomes a gusher, with
> > built ins you won't know there's a problem until it's too late.
>
> The portable dishwasher I use (I can't comment on any other sorts of
> DWs) attaches to the kitchen sink faucet, as most portable dishwashers
> do. Â*However, the connection between the DW hose & the faucet isn't
> exactly sealed, so there is an obvious "fast dripping leak" when the hot
> water is turned on to run the DW. Â*I do not leave the hot water turned
> on to the DW any longer than necessary due to this 'leakage' because it
> would be a significant amount over a short period of time.

Hopefully you have things set so any drips go down the sink drain.
Obviously there is something misaligned/worn at the connection, it
should not leak. With all your concerns about leaks I strongly
suggest you get a new connection device before that thing pops off and
you have a flood.

On Jul 7, 10:53Â*am, Sheldon > wrote:
> "alsand. wrote:
>
> > As for the door being open, that is my wife's preferred way of drying
> > dishes, rather than wasting energy to do something that nature has
> > provided a safe way to do. �It's called evaporation.
>
> Stagnant water is a great way to encourage bacteria... dishes need to
> be dried as soon as possible... water where food is involved should
> never be left to evaporate. Â*By your methods if you ran a restarant
> the board of health would shut you down.

Sheldon,
When was the last time you saw a commerical/industrial dishwasher with
a dryer?

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

wrote:
> On Jul 7, 9:42 am, Goomba > wrote:
>
>> I think the point is that if you are
>> letting the dishes sit a day or two before washing it *might* be a good
>> idea. But who does that?
>
> My wife, that's who.
>
> She will not run the dishwasher unless it is full, an energy saving
> initiative, sure, but a silly one if we end up having no clean cutlery
> or if some of my implements are tucked away in there.

The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load and
run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and I don't
save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of water, so I
see no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.

Cheryl Mendelson, the author of _Home Comforts: The Art & Science of
Keeping House_ agrees with me. It's more sanitary and orderly to do the
dishes right away.

Serene
--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

On Jul 7, 12:23Â*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> Sheldon > Â*news:f51bf9a2-3523-4c6d-b70f-
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
> > "alsand. wrote:
>
> >> As for the door being open, that is my wife's preferred way of drying
> >> dishes, rather than wasting energy to do something that nature has
> >> provided a safe way to do. �It's called evaporation.
>
> > Stagnant water is a great way to encourage bacteria... dishes need to
> > be dried as soon as possible... water where food is involved should
> > never be left to evaporate. Â*By your methods if you ran a restarant
> > the board of health would shut you down.
>
> I'm curious now. By those standards, people who hand wash but let dry on
> a rack with one of those pad things under it, would be encouraging
> possible harmful bacteria, no? I've never heard of anyone getting sick by
> hand washing and air drying. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Â*I've just
> never heard about it. Â*Now I can certainly see it if the dishwasher isn't
> draining properly and there is water standing in the bottom of it.

There's a big difference between water droplets on dishes evaporating
and stagnant water puddles as are often found in dishes in a poorly
loaded dishwasher. I've occasionally had cups, bowls, etc. shift and
stay partially filled with water, only I empty my dishwasher within a
few hours of it ending it's cycle, not days later.

Many people leave wet clothes in their washer and dryer for days,
those clothes stink, yet they wear them without rewashing.

On Jul 7, 8:59*am, wrote:
> Sheldon > wrote:
> > "alsand. wrote:
>
> > > As for the door being open, that is my wife's preferred way of drying
> > > dishes, rather than wasting energy to do something that nature has
> > > provided a safe way to do. ???It's called evaporation.
> > Stagnant water is a great way to encourage bacteria... dishes need to
> > be dried as soon as possible... water where food is involved should
> > never be left to evaporate. *By your methods if you ran a restarant
> > the board of health would shut you down.
>
> Funny, the Health Department in my area really encourages air drying
> of wares.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.

Here, too. Can you imagine a restaurant using dish towels? Ugh...

maxine in ri wrote:
> After almost 19 years of wedded bliss, and heeding the adage:
> "No man was ever killed by his wife while washing the dishes"
> my husband told me Friday that we were buying a dishwasher
> he'd seen on Craig's list.
>
> After the initial shock, I said ok, and yesterday we picked up
> the portable Maytag and hauled it into the house. Silly him.
> we had no dishes to pile in and wash, he'd done them before
> we left!
>
> Now, as dishwasher virgins, we assiduously read the manual,
> which told us to run a rinse cycle on the breakfast dishes if
> we weren't washing them right away.
>
> Does anyone else do this? Is it necessary?

No - just scrape off anything as large as a carcass.

Do you run
> a regular wash cycle or use the sanitize feature that heats
> the water up? (Since most of the detergents I've run into
> have bleach, is it necessary to sanitize the dishes?)

I use the setting which is called water miser - it's the setting on my
dw between pots and pans and fine china. I never use the heat
setting. I prop the door open with a wooden chopstick, swipe any
water which is lying in concave areas with a terry towel, then unload
when bone dry.
Don't put all spoons, all forks etc, together in one bin - they could
fall together and not get the water action.
I rarely use the dw - only two of us, but handy when I do a ton of
cooking, have company, want an instantly neat kitchen or decide to
let the dinner and b'fast dishes collect. However, I'm always
reaching into it for tools like spatulas, so I don't think it's the
greatest invention unless you have duplicates and triplicates of
stuff.

Place plates with their upper surfaces facing center of the dw.

>
> Will the dishes dry overnight if we don't run the dry cycle but
> just open the door?

Yes.

maxine in ri said...

> After almost 19 years of wedded bliss, and heeding the adage:
> "No man was ever killed by his wife while washing the dishes"
> my husband told me Friday that we were buying a dishwasher
> he'd seen on Craig's list.
>
> After the initial shock, I said ok, and yesterday we picked up
> the portable Maytag and hauled it into the house. Silly him.
> we had no dishes to pile in and wash, he'd done them before
> we left!
>
> Now, as dishwasher virgins, we assiduously read the manual,
> which told us to run a rinse cycle on the breakfast dishes if
> we weren't washing them right away.
>
> Does anyone else do this? Is it necessary? Do you run
> a regular wash cycle or use the sanitize feature that heats
> the water up? (Since most of the detergents I've run into
> have bleach, is it necessary to sanitize the dishes?)
>
> Will the dishes dry overnight if we don't run the dry cycle but
> just open the door?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know....
>
> maxine in ri
> cleaning out the pearl-handled .44
> <g>


maxine in ri,

Congrats on the new kitchen kleaning kontraption!

Being the paper plate, paper cup, plastic spoons, forks and knives guy that
I yam, my DW rarely sees usage.

ALWAYS pull out and empty the bottom rack first. After one time, pulling
out the top rack first and the "cradled" water dripping on the bottom rack
items you've learn that lesson!

The bone china doesn't see the darkness of my dishwasher, nor my
Tiffany/Waterford crystal whiskey snifters!

Pots and pans hit the kitchen sink deck as soon as emptied, to soak, again
never seeing the dark of the dishwasher. Never left overnight or overmeals
for that matter!

Andy
Paper & Plastic & Tinfoil

l, not -l > wrote:
> On 7-Jul-2008, Andy <q> wrote:
>
> > Being the paper plate, paper cup, plastic spoons, forks and knives
> > guy that
> > I yam, my DW rarely sees usage.
> >
> <SNIP>
> >
> > The bone china doesn't see the darkness of my dishwasher, nor my
> > Tiffany/Waterford crystal whiskey snifters!
>
> Tiffany/Waterford anything seems more than a bit odd for a
> self-confessed paper*, plastic * guy.

LOL guess sometimes he has the urge to get fancy!

Jill

l, not -l said...

>
> On 7-Jul-2008, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>> Being the paper plate, paper cup, plastic spoons, forks and knives guy
>> that
>> I yam, my DW rarely sees usage.
>>
> <SNIP>
>>
>> The bone china doesn't see the darkness of my dishwasher, nor my
>> Tiffany/Waterford crystal whiskey snifters!
>
> Tiffany/Waterford anything seems more than a bit odd for a self-confessed
> paper*, plastic * guy.


I don't know how to insert "Whistling Dixie!!!" into a reply but it seems
like it deserves to be!

Best,

Andy

l, not -l said...

>
> On 7-Jul-2008, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>> Being the paper plate, paper cup, plastic spoons, forks and knives guy
>> that
>> I yam, my DW rarely sees usage.
>>
> <SNIP>
>>
>> The bone china doesn't see the darkness of my dishwasher, nor my
>> Tiffany/Waterford crystal whiskey snifters!
>
> Tiffany/Waterford anything seems more than a bit odd for a self-confessed
> paper*, plastic * guy.


Truth be told, Pop Pop willed them to me. How he knew, I have no clue!

My most prized, hic' possessions!!!

Best,

Andy

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Sheldon >
> :
> in rec.food.cooking
>
> > Many people leave wet clothes in their washer and dryer for days,
> > those clothes stink, yet they wear them without rewashing.
>
> Okay... that's got to be really bad. One would think in a hot or warm
cycle
> the clothes would start to mold after awhile... UGH


Eye - talians and Frogs don't even bother to wash their clothes, they just
"wash" them with the liquid that accrues when they perspire, which is why
they have a distinctive stench about them...same goes for most all Arabs.
Arab cabdrivers here in Chicawgo are notorious for their stench. I'll refuse
to get into a cab with a stinky driver and the resultant odour. I'll report
them to the Department of Consumer Services...

The absolute *worst* BO I ever encountered was when I worked with an Iraqi
guy years ago. The cheap suit he wore REEKED of his stench, it was soaked
in vomitaciousness. . Some of us finally went to HR to complain about it,
he finally started to bathe on a regular basis...

I've also encountered a number of "crunchy" lezboes who have the whole
unwashed thang going, not only do they have an abhorrent stench about them,
but they have gnarly pits and leg hair and moustaches, too...

One we knew had such a distinctive 'stache that we referred to her as
"Pierre"...I kid U not.


--
Best
Greg

"Serene Vannoy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
> storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load and
> run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and I don't
> save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of water, so I see
> no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.
>
> Cheryl Mendelson, the author of _Home Comforts: The Art & Science of
> Keeping House_ agrees with me. It's more sanitary and orderly to do the
> dishes right away.
>
> Serene

More sanitary I am sure it is, but I have so few at a time unless I am
baking or cooking ahead that I run mine about 2-3 times a week. IF,
however, what is in there is sticky or smeary, I run the rinse and hold.

We are forced here to do what is less water and energy using. We are asked
to please use the DW but to run it during the night. We are charged quite a
bit more for the electricity used before 8 PM or after 7 AM over a baseline
usage, and it works on me. Only when I am doing a ton of messy work and
have several loads do I run the DW (or washer) during the day.

> "Serene Vannoy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
>> storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load and
>> run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and I don't
>> save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of water, so I
>> see no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.
>>
>> Cheryl Mendelson, the author of _Home Comforts: The Art & Science of
>> Keeping House_ agrees with me. It's more sanitary and orderly to do the
>> dishes right away.
>>
>> Serene

Given how caustic the detergent is, everything will be sanitary when done.
We run ours when near full, often every other day. We also don't put mounds
of food in there on the dishes.

Who gives a rat's ass about orderly? A dish is a dish and doing four rather
that two does not make anything more or less orderly. Sounds like an OCD
problem with Ms Mendelson.

merryb wrote:
> wrote:
> > Sheldon wrote:
> > > "alsand. wrote:
>
> > > > As for the door being open, that is my wife's preferred way of drying
> > > > dishes, rather than wasting energy to do something that nature has
> > > > provided a safe way to do. ???It's called evaporation.
> > > Stagnant water is a great way to encourage bacteria... dishes need to
> > > be dried as soon as possible... water where food is involved should
> > > never be left to evaporate. �By your methods if you ran a restarant
> > > the board of health would shut you down.
>
> > Funny, the Health Department in my area really encourages air drying
> > of wares.
>
> > Bill Ranck
> > Blacksburg, Va.
>
> Here, too. Can you imagine a restaurant using dish towels? Ugh...-

The discussion was about whether to use the dishwasher Dry cycle or
not, and simply let the water evaporate... no one was talking dish
towels

In most US municipalities the law is that restaurants must use a hot
air dry cycle... and commercial units run hotter than home units. If
the restaurant you frequent is serving wet dishes. glassware, and
flatware don't eat there.

It's okay to dry dishes with towels at home, hopefully with freshly
laundered towels, not the one that's been laying around your kitchen
for two days wiping up everything from greasy stove spatter to spills
on your floor, and your rugrat's runny nose.

On Jul 7, 11:51 am, Sky > wrote:

> The portable dishwasher I use (I can't comment on any other sorts of
> DWs) attaches to the kitchen sink faucet, as most portable dishwashers
> do. However, the connection between the DW hose & the faucet isn't
> exactly sealed, so there is an obvious "fast dripping leak" when the hot
> water is turned on to run the DW. I do not leave the hot water turned
> on to the DW any longer than necessary due to this 'leakage' because it
> would be a significant amount over a short period of time.

Ours is around 9 months old and the connector doesn't leak. Yet. I
think I've seen them in the hardware stores, if you're handy enough to
replace one. (Haven't really looked at the connector, either. DH is
having all the "fun," so I don't know if it's a PITA job or just a
pull and replace deal).

maxine in ri

On Jul 7, 12:23 pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> I'm curious now. By those standards, people who hand wash but let dry on
> a rack with one of those pad things under it, would be encouraging
> possible harmful bacteria, no? I've never heard of anyone getting sick by
> hand washing and air drying. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I've just
> never heard about it. Now I can certainly see it if the dishwasher isn't
> draining properly and there is water standing in the bottom of it.
>
> Michael

The mother of one of my daughter's friends was the kitchen supervisor
for one of the Brown U cafeterias One of her "ugh" concerns was not
air drying, but people who don't periodically wipe down that drain
tray under the dish rack. I happened to be wiping our down when she
came by to pick up her kid one day, and she mentioned that. I didn't
tell her that DH would leave it until it started to imitate "The
Blob"....

maxine in ri

Giusi wrote:
> "Serene Vannoy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
>> storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load and
>> run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and I don't
>> save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of water, so I see
>> no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.
>>
>> Cheryl Mendelson, the author of _Home Comforts: The Art & Science of
>> Keeping House_ agrees with me. It's more sanitary and orderly to do the
>> dishes right away.
>>
>> Serene
>
> More sanitary I am sure it is, but I have so few at a time unless I am
> baking or cooking ahead that I run mine about 2-3 times a week.

Do you only cook 2-3 times a week? When I cook a meal, I make enough
pots and dishes to half-fill a dishwasher.

Serene

--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Serene Vannoy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
>>> storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load and
>>> run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and I don't
>>> save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of water, so I
>>> see no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.
>>>
>>> Cheryl Mendelson, the author of _Home Comforts: The Art & Science of
>>> Keeping House_ agrees with me. It's more sanitary and orderly to do the
>>> dishes right away.
>>>
>>> Serene
>
> Given how caustic the detergent is, everything will be sanitary when done.
> We run ours when near full, often every other day. We also don't put mounds
> of food in there on the dishes.
>
> Who gives a rat's ass about orderly?

I do. I want the dishes to be clean and put away so that people can find
them. I want people to know whether the dishes in the dishwasher are
clean or dirty without having to go in and inspect them. (Note that I'm
not saying anyone else should want things this way, but I do.)

> A dish is a dish and doing four rather
> that two does not make anything more or less orderly. Sounds like an OCD
> problem with Ms Mendelson.

Nonsense. Having all the dishes clean and put away may not be important
to you, but that doesn't make it a disorder for those of us to whom it's
important.

Serene

--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

On Tue 08 Jul 2008 09:56:57a, Serene Vannoy told us...

> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "Serene Vannoy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>> The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
>>>> storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load
>>>> and run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and
>>>> I don't save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of
>>>> water, so I see no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl Mendelson, the author of _Home Comforts: The Art & Science of
>>>> Keeping House_ agrees with me. It's more sanitary and orderly to do
>>>> the dishes right away.
>>>>
>>>> Serene
>>
>> Given how caustic the detergent is, everything will be sanitary when
>> done. We run ours when near full, often every other day. We also don't
>> put mounds of food in there on the dishes.
>>
>> Who gives a rat's ass about orderly?
>
> I do. I want the dishes to be clean and put away so that people can find
> them. I want people to know whether the dishes in the dishwasher are
> clean or dirty without having to go in and inspect them. (Note that I'm
> not saying anyone else should want things this way, but I do.)
>
> > A dish is a dish and doing four rather
>> that two does not make anything more or less orderly. Sounds like an
>> OCD problem with Ms Mendelson.
>
> Nonsense. Having all the dishes clean and put away may not be important
> to you, but that doesn't make it a disorder for those of us to whom it's
> important.
>
> Serene
>

Serene, I'm in total agreement with you on all points.

--
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thriftless people, and can make
nothing for themselves.
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maxine in ri wrote:

> The mother of one of my daughter's friends was the kitchen supervisor
> for one of the Brown U cafeterias One of her "ugh" concerns was not
> air drying, but people who don't periodically wipe down that drain
> tray under the dish rack. I happened to be wiping our down when she
> came by to pick up her kid one day, and she mentioned that. I didn't
> tell her that DH would leave it until it started to imitate "The
> Blob"....
>
> maxine in ri

we don't handwash much, and what we do handwash we drain it in the rack
that sits within our second bowl of the sink. Anything air drying is
drying in the IN sink rack. It keeps the kitchen looking neater, as well
as not taking up valuable counter space.
I'm lucky in that almost all my pots and pans, even tall ones, fit in my
dishwasher. And I have multiples of most everything I need so can load
up that dishwasher as I work and still keep on cooking.

"Serene Vannoy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> Giusi wrote:
>> "Serene Vannoy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
>>> storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load and
>>> run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and I don't
>>> save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of water, so I
>>> see no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.
>> More sanitary I am sure it is, but I have so few at a time unless I am
>> baking or cooking ahead that I run mine about 2-3 times a week.
>
> Do you only cook 2-3 times a week? When I cook a meal, I make enough pots
> and dishes to half-fill a dishwasher.
>
> Serene

Since I am single, unless I am cooking for the freezer or others there are
few dishes even though I always make my meals. A single sauté pan, a salad
plate and a fork and knife don't add up to much!

Thanks, all for your advice and discussion. It's been very helpful.
I've forwarded the responses to my DH and now we'll see who he listens
to.....

maxine in ri
polishing that pearl-handled .44
;-)

maxine in ri wrote:
>
> On Jul 7, 11:51 am, Sky > wrote:
>
> > The portable dishwasher I use (I can't comment on any other sorts of
> > DWs) attaches to the kitchen sink faucet, as most portable dishwashers
> > do. However, the connection between the DW hose & the faucet isn't
> > exactly sealed, so there is an obvious "fast dripping leak" when the hot
> > water is turned on to run the DW. I do not leave the hot water turned
> > on to the DW any longer than necessary due to this 'leakage' because it
> > would be a significant amount over a short period of time.
>
> Ours is around 9 months old and the connector doesn't leak. Yet. I
> think I've seen them in the hardware stores, if you're handy enough to
> replace one. (Haven't really looked at the connector, either. DH is
> having all the "fun," so I don't know if it's a PITA job or just a
> pull and replace deal).
>
> maxine in ri

The leak at the faucet connection for the portable dishwasher isn't that
bad. I don't think I've ever seen a portable dishwasher that didn't
leak at the faucet. Thankfully, I do have a service contract for the
DW. If it becomes a serious problem, I'll contact the service provider.

Sky

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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:56:57 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> wrote:

>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "Serene Vannoy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>> The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
>>>> storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load and
>>>> run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and I don't
>>>> save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of water, so I
>>>> see no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl Mendelson, the author of _Home Comforts: The Art & Science of
>>>> Keeping House_ agrees with me. It's more sanitary and orderly to do the
>>>> dishes right away.
>>>>
>>>> Serene
>>
>> Given how caustic the detergent is, everything will be sanitary when done.
>> We run ours when near full, often every other day. We also don't put mounds
>> of food in there on the dishes.
>>
>> Who gives a rat's ass about orderly?
>
>I do. I want the dishes to be clean and put away so that people can find
>them. I want people to know whether the dishes in the dishwasher are
>clean or dirty without having to go in and inspect them. (Note that I'm
>not saying anyone else should want things this way, but I do.)
>
> > A dish is a dish and doing four rather
>> that two does not make anything more or less orderly. Sounds like an OCD
>> problem with Ms Mendelson.
>
>Nonsense. Having all the dishes clean and put away may not be important
>to you, but that doesn't make it a disorder for those of us to whom it's
>important.
>
>Serene

depends. are you counting the items (twice) as they go in and out of
the dishwasher?

your pal,
blake
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Serene Vannoy wrote:
> wrote:
>> On Jul 7, 9:42 am, Goomba > wrote:
>>
>>> I think the point is that if you are
>>> letting the dishes sit a day or two before washing it *might* be a
>>> good idea. But who does that?
>>
>> My wife, that's who.
>>
>> She will not run the dishwasher unless it is full, an energy saving
>> initiative, sure, but a silly one if we end up having no clean
>> cutlery or if some of my implements are tucked away in there.
>
> The way I figure it, the dishwasher is for cleaning dishes, not for
> storing dirty ones, so when I'm in a house with a dishwasher, I load
> and run it after each meal. It uses less water than handwashing, and
> I don't save up the handwashing until there's enough for a sink of
> water, so I see no sense in waiting until the dishwasher is full.

I am with you on this. My dishwasher goes on every time I have cooked.

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