On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:44:55 -0500, Lou Decruss >
wrote:


>It's personal preference. When Louise and I spent our first night
>together she made coffee in the morning and got 2% milk out. I
>declined and drank it black. IMO, black is better than even whole
>milk. Even powdered creamer is better than black. But that's just my
>opinion.

Sorry to respond to my own post. It should have been powdered creamer
is better than MILK.

Lou

In article >, sf wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:09:04 GMT, hahabogus > wrote:
>
> >I explained poorly...starbucks roast is wayyy beyond a dark french roast,
> >closer to an expresso roast. At least that's what it tastes like to me. To
> >me it tastes burnt.
>
> That's because you're used to dirty dishwater coffee. Starbucks is a
> lightweight when it comes to dark roasting. Peet's has them beat. I
> bet you'd hate Italian roast too.

I'll throw in my two cents. A few years ago I had some Starbucks
coffee. It wasn't dark, it wasn't flavorful and it wasn't strong. It
was just plain burnt. So I avoided it for years. I had some last
spring and was very surprised. It was pretty good. For many years I
avoided McDonalds coffee. It wasn't strong, it wasn't weak, it was just
terrible. A little over a year ago, I tried it again. It was pretty
good, especially for US$.99. Of course, the price has gone up since
then.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article
>,
"mequeenbe.nospam" > wrote:

> i've tried both mcdonald's and burger king coffee recently, and imho
> both beat star$ handsdown.

That could be seen as damning with faint praise.

I live in a small city in the South Pacific, and it's easy for me to get
coffee that's much better than any of those.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:51:28 +0000 (UTC),
>
> >>Interesting. I'll have to ... um... get you to make me one
> >>of these sometime, so I can see if it shakes me of my
> >>cream-in-dark-coffee aversion.
>
> >So, you were extrapolating your preferences to the general public?
>
> I happen to believe most people don't like the cream/dark coffee
> combination. In areas where dark coffee is ubiquitous (Italy,
> France, Pacific Northwest) people overwhelmingly use milk
> and not cream.

Hardly anyone in New Zealand puts cream in any coffee, no matter how
darkly or mildly roasted. Milk is ubiquitious where coffee is not drunk
black.

> So, I think it's more than my preference.

I think it's cultural.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:52:44 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >, sf wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:09:04 GMT, hahabogus > wrote:
>>
>> >I explained poorly...starbucks roast is wayyy beyond a dark french roast,
>> >closer to an expresso roast. At least that's what it tastes like to me. To
>> >me it tastes burnt.
>>
>> That's because you're used to dirty dishwater coffee. Starbucks is a
>> lightweight when it comes to dark roasting. Peet's has them beat. I
>> bet you'd hate Italian roast too.
>
>I'll throw in my two cents. A few years ago I had some Starbucks
>coffee. It wasn't dark, it wasn't flavorful and it wasn't strong. It
>was just plain burnt. So I avoided it for years.

Starbucks was fine by me. Peets tasted burned when I first tried it.

>I had some last
>spring and was very surprised. It was pretty good.

>For many years I
>avoided McDonalds coffee. It wasn't strong, it wasn't weak, it was just
>terrible.

High five!.... although my local McDonald's has always had decent
coffee, just terrible managers who scrimped for a while a few years
back.

>A little over a year ago, I tried it again. It was pretty
>good, especially for US$.99. Of course, the price has gone up since
>then.

I guess my local McDonald's learned their lesson (same owner, I
think), because they have been on par with the local coffee houses
ever since.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Fri 11 Jul 2008 01:15:45a, told us...

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:52:44 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>In article >, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:09:04 GMT, hahabogus > wrote:
>>>
>>> >I explained poorly...starbucks roast is wayyy beyond a dark french
>>> >roast, closer to an expresso roast. At least that's what it tastes
>>> >like to me. To
>>> > me it tastes burnt.
>>>
>>> That's because you're used to dirty dishwater coffee. Starbucks is a
>>> lightweight when it comes to dark roasting. Peet's has them beat. I
>>> bet you'd hate Italian roast too.
>>
>>I'll throw in my two cents. A few years ago I had some Starbucks
>>coffee. It wasn't dark, it wasn't flavorful and it wasn't strong. It
>>was just plain burnt. So I avoided it for years.
>
> Starbucks was fine by me. Peets tasted burned when I first tried it.

I only drink iced coffee, and it's usually Starbucks because they're
practically on every corner. However, I really prefer a shop called Coffee
Bean and Tea Leaf. Unfortunately, there are far fewer of those around.

>
>>I had some last
>>spring and was very surprised. It was pretty good.
>
>>For many years I
>>avoided McDonalds coffee. It wasn't strong, it wasn't weak, it was just
>>terrible.
>
> High five!.... although my local McDonald's has always had decent
> coffee, just terrible managers who scrimped for a while a few years
> back.
>
>>A little over a year ago, I tried it again. It was pretty
>>good, especially for US$.99. Of course, the price has gone up since
>>then.
>
> I guess my local McDonald's learned their lesson (same owner, I
> think), because they have been on par with the local coffee houses
> ever since.

I haven't tried any of the new McDonald's iced coffees yet, primarily
because I'm presuming that they're all sweetened and I don't do sweet
coffee, just cream.

I used to like Dunkin' Donuts iced coffee until they closed all of their
shops in Phoenix.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Friday, 07(VII)/11(XI)/08(MMVIII)
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-------------------------------------------
If money could talk, it would say goodbye.
-------------------------------------------

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:11:37 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>sandi said...
>
>> "Mike" > wrote in news:0J7dk.703$HY.50@trnddc01:
>
>It's good business. McD can easily afford to buy the best coffee beans in
>the world and they DO just that and sell it cheap, to get you coming back
>for the rest of their sucky foods.
>
>Imho,
>
>Andy
Hmm, I haven't tasted McD's coffee but I am willing to bet my coffee
farm in Kona that they don't buy the best beans. Just my $.02.

aloha,
beans
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona

said...

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:11:37 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>>sandi said...
>>
>>> "Mike" > wrote in news:0J7dk.703$HY.50@trnddc01:
>>
>>It's good business. McD can easily afford to buy the best coffee beans in
>>the world and they DO just that and sell it cheap, to get you coming back
>>for the rest of their sucky foods.
>>
>>Imho,
>>
>>Andy
> Hmm, I haven't tasted McD's coffee but I am willing to bet my coffee
> farm in Kona that they don't buy the best beans. Just my $.02.
>
> aloha,
> beans
> roast beans to kona to email
> farmers of Pure Kona


They probably buy your coffee beans.

Andy

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:23:38 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>I haven't tried any of the new McDonald's iced coffees yet, primarily
>because I'm presuming that they're all sweetened and I don't do sweet
>coffee, just cream.

I've seen the banner on the one I pass going to work advertising iced
coffee, but haven't stopped for one. I only do iced coffee on hot
days, but was too busy during our little heat wave to think about that
sort of thing. Iced coffee isn't a favorite drink. I only order it
if I'm out with DD on a warm day. Drink of choice for me on a hot day
is lemonade, second choice is freshly brewed strong tea poured over
ice with lots of lemon and no sugar.

I'm trying to like water more.
>
>I used to like Dunkin' Donuts iced coffee until they closed all of their
>shops in Phoenix.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Jul 11, 1:12*am, Miche > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> *"mequeenbe.nospam" > wrote:
> > i've tried both mcdonald's and burger king coffee recently, and imho
> > both beat star$ handsdown.
>
> That could be seen as damning with faint praise.
>
> I live in a small city in the South Pacific, and it's easy for me to get
> coffee that's much better than any of those.
>
> Miche

I've had Starbuck's. Other than a rather nasty taste it's okay. I
think it's number three on a list of the 3 coffee shops I've tried in
this town.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:36:12 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

> said...
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:11:37 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>
>>>sandi said...
>>>
>>>> "Mike" > wrote in news:0J7dk.703$HY.50@trnddc01:
>>>
>>>It's good business. McD can easily afford to buy the best coffee beans in
>>>the world and they DO just that and sell it cheap, to get you coming back
>>>for the rest of their sucky foods.
>>>
>>>Imho,
>>>
>>>Andy
>> Hmm, I haven't tasted McD's coffee but I am willing to bet my coffee
>> farm in Kona that they don't buy the best beans. Just my $.02.
>>
>> aloha,
>> beans
>> roast beans to kona to email
>> farmers of Pure Kona
>
>
>They probably buy your coffee beans.
>
>Andy

In the coffee world of which I am a participant, I would venture to
guess that *$ probably buys a higher quality of beans. I do not like
the over-roasting of *$ and would never buy their coffee. However if
someone is used to Yuban, Hills Bros. or like stuff, any freshly
roasted and brewed coffee is superior. With milk and sugar etc., it
can taste nearly like a milk shake- something similar to coffee ice
cream. I like coffee ice cream but I see no relationship to the
coffee we grow and roast and drink.

What we grow in Kona, is not a commodity coffee. It is a specialty
coffee, hand done the whole way through. Frankly there is not enough
100% Kona grown and available to supply McD's and of course if McD's
is trying to sell $2 hamburgers, they are not about to spend a whole
lot more on specialty coffee. Just does not make economic sense, does
it?

aloha,
beans.

roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona

On Fri 11 Jul 2008 10:04:43a, told us...

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:23:38 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>I haven't tried any of the new McDonald's iced coffees yet, primarily
>>because I'm presuming that they're all sweetened and I don't do sweet
>>coffee, just cream.
>
> I've seen the banner on the one I pass going to work advertising iced
> coffee, but haven't stopped for one. I only do iced coffee on hot
> days, but was too busy during our little heat wave to think about that
> sort of thing. Iced coffee isn't a favorite drink. I only order it
> if I'm out with DD on a warm day. Drink of choice for me on a hot day
> is lemonade, second choice is freshly brewed strong tea poured over
> ice with lots of lemon and no sugar.

As a rule I don't care much for sweet beverages or hot beverages, although
I do enjoy an occasional Coke with a burger, or lemonade if I'm out in the
heat. I guess I should just ask at McDonalds if all their iced coffee is
sweet. I'd sure give it a try if it wasn't.

> I'm trying to like water more.

I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink eight
8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Friday, 07(VII)/11(XI)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------
Cocaine isn't what it is cracked up to be.
-------------------------------------------

said...

> if McD's
> is trying to sell $2 hamburgers, they are not about to spend a whole
> lot more on specialty coffee. Just does not make economic sense, does
> it?


Beans,

Believe it or not, they do it.

Andy

In article
>,
John Kane > wrote:

> On Jul 11, 1:12*am, Miche > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > *"mequeenbe.nospam" > wrote:
> > > i've tried both mcdonald's and burger king coffee recently, and imho
> > > both beat star$ handsdown.
> >
> > That could be seen as damning with faint praise.
> >
> > I live in a small city in the South Pacific, and it's easy for me to get
> > coffee that's much better than any of those.
> >
> > Miche
>
> I've had Starbuck's. Other than a rather nasty taste it's okay.

See, to me "nasty" isn't "okay" -- it's nasty.

> I
> think it's number three on a list of the 3 coffee shops I've tried in
> this town.

They charge above-average prices for decidedly average (or
below-average) coffee -- they're trading on their name.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:02:57 -1000, wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:36:12 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>>They probably buy your coffee beans.
>>
>>Andy
>
>In the coffee world of which I am a participant, I would venture to
>guess that *$ probably buys a higher quality of beans. I do not like
>the over-roasting of *$ and would never buy their coffee. However if
>someone is used to Yuban, Hills Bros. or like stuff, any freshly
>roasted and brewed coffee is superior. With milk and sugar etc., it
>can taste nearly like a milk shake- something similar to coffee ice
>cream. I like coffee ice cream but I see no relationship to the
>coffee we grow and roast and drink.
>
>What we grow in Kona, is not a commodity coffee. It is a specialty
>coffee, hand done the whole way through. Frankly there is not enough
>100% Kona grown and available to supply McD's and of course if McD's
>is trying to sell $2 hamburgers, they are not about to spend a whole
>lot more on specialty coffee. Just does not make economic sense, does
>it?
>
>aloha,
>beans.

Why are you trying to talk sense with andy?

Lou

<sf> wrote in message ...
>
> I'm trying to like water more.

I know people who still buy bottled water, but only for the bottles, which
occasionally need to be replaced. Still a kind of WTF practice. Bottled
water has been exposed as a fraud.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>
> I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink
> eight
> 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.

My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day is an
old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the water you need
from what's in food.

In article >,
"The UnInmate" > wrote:

> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >
> > I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink
> > eight
> > 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.
>
> My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day is an
> old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the water you need
> from what's in food.

It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force" yourself
to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh, and "you're
dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Fri 11 Jul 2008 04:02:53p, Miche told us...

> In article >,
> "The UnInmate" > wrote:
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink
>> > eight 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.
>>
>> My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day
>> is an old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the water
>> you need from what's in food.
>
> It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force" yourself
> to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh, and "you're
> dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)
>
> Miche
>

Problem is, throughout the day I "forget" to drink enough fluid. Living in
the desert, it's important to keep hydrated.

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Friday, 07(VII)/11(XI)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------
Confucius say: Those who quote me are
fools.
-------------------------------------------

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:12:13 -0500, Lou Decruss >
wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:02:57 -1000, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:36:12 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>
>Why are you trying to talk sense with andy?
>
>Lou

Thanks Lou. I guess it is not worth the energy. Thanks for
reminding me.

with aloha,
Cea
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona

In article 0>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Fri 11 Jul 2008 04:02:53p, Miche told us...
>
> > In article >,
> > "The UnInmate" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink
> >> > eight 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.
> >>
> >> My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day
> >> is an old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the water
> >> you need from what's in food.
> >
> > It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force" yourself
> > to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh, and "you're
> > dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)
>
> Problem is, throughout the day I "forget" to drink enough fluid. Living in
> the desert, it's important to keep hydrated.

Yours are special circumstances.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On 2008-07-12, Miche > wrote:

> Yours are special circumstances.

Every person is a special circumstance. There is no set or general rule. Same
with special situations. I drink lots of water ...approx 1L/day... cuz I
need it. If I drink alcohol, increase water. If I drink tea, more water.
Suffer diarrhea, up the water. Work/play hard in heat.... lotsa water! If
I have to get up and pee more than once per night, too much water.

None of these always trigger a thirst response, so saying you can rely on
that is bad advice. I know what I need cuz I've been doing it for 60 yrs.

EMMV!

nb

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2008-07-12, Miche > wrote:
>
> > Yours are special circumstances.
>
> Every person is a special circumstance. There is no set or general rule.

Exactly. Which is why I get very twitchy about the "8 glasses per day"
thing and people chanting "drink your water" when it's not always
necessary.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:02:53 +1200, Miche >
wrote:

>It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force" yourself
>to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh, and "you're
>dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)

Glad to hear that. I'm not fond of water and have to force myself to
drink it.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:02:53 +1200, Miche >
> wrote:
>
> >It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force" yourself
> >to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh, and "you're
> >dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)
>
> Glad to hear that. I'm not fond of water and have to force myself to
> drink it.

The only time I ever tried to drink 2 litres of water a day on top of
food, coffee, whatever else, was when I was breastfeeding and having
trouble keeping my milk supply up. I felt like I was constantly running
to the loo and in danger of floating away!

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:02:53 +1200, Miche >

> It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force"
> yourself to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh,
> and "you're dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock
> as well.)

The "8 glasses of water a day" was officially promulgated by the
medical establishment for years. They only retreated from
it recently.

Steve
with "brush your teeth three times a day".

Steve Pope wrote:

> The "8 glasses of water a day" was officially promulgated by the
> medical establishment for years. They only retreated from
> it recently.
>
> Steve
> with "brush your teeth three times a day".

I think it came from the health food and fitness type folks, not from
medical folks.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:37:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:02:53 +1200, Miche >
>
>> It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force"
>> yourself to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh,
>> and "you're dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock
>> as well.)
>
>The "8 glasses of water a day" was officially promulgated by the
>medical establishment for years. They only retreated from
>it recently.
>
>Steve
>with "brush your teeth three times a day".

And wasn't it further clarified, that the total liquid per day could
be from coffee, OJ, wine,as well as water? So one didn't need to feel
like a fish at the end of the day, with water up to one's gills.

aloha,
beans
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:37:59 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:02:53 +1200, Miche >
>>
>>> It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force"
>>> yourself to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh,
>>> and "you're dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock
>>> as well.)
>>
>>The "8 glasses of water a day" was officially promulgated by the
>>medical establishment for years. They only retreated from
>>it recently.
>>
>>Steve
>>with "brush your teeth three times a day".
>
> And wasn't it further clarified, that the total liquid per day could
> be from coffee, OJ, wine,as well as water? So one didn't need to feel
> like a fish at the end of the day, with water up to one's gills.

What I once read, in a handout from a nutritionist, is that the only
substitute for water was decaf tea. :-D

On Jul 11, 7:02*pm, Miche > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"The UnInmate" > wrote:
>
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>
> > > I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink
> > > eight
> > > 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.
>
> > My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day is an
> > old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the water you need
> > from what's in food.
>
> It is an old househusband's tale. *There's no need to "force" yourself
> to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. *(Oh, and "you're
> dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)
>
> Miche

Under normal circumstances perhaps but in very hot dry climates
(deserts) or in cases of sustained physical activity ( long distance
cycling) one seems to lose moisture faster than one can absorb it if
one waits until thirsty.

The cycling mantra is "Eat before you're hungry, drink before you're
thirsty" and seems to apply for any cycling of say over 60-80 km
distance.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

> wrote
>
> And wasn't it further clarified, that the total liquid per day could
> be from coffee, OJ, wine,as well as water? So one didn't need to feel
> like a fish at the end of the day, with water up to one's gills.
>
Yes indeed. The "latest word" from the medical community is that we
should drink "according to thirst." Who knew? All these &%%#heads
with their perpetual water bottle sucking have been wearing out their
kidneys.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:40:18 -0400, "The UnInmate"
> wrote:

>
>"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>
>> I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink
>> eight
>> 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.
>
>My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day is an
>old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the water you need
>from what's in food.
>

i'd say 'in addition to any other liquids' is definitely unnecessary.

snopes agrees, and says no one seems to know where that figure comes
from:

<http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp>

(has anyone else been unable to cut and paste from snopes recently?)

your pal,
blake
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:46:44 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Fri 11 Jul 2008 04:02:53p, Miche told us...
>
>> In article >,
>> "The UnInmate" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> >
>>> > I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink
>>> > eight 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.
>>>
>>> My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day
>>> is an old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the water
>>> you need from what's in food.
>>
>> It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force" yourself
>> to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh, and "you're
>> dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)
>>
>> Miche
>>
>
>Problem is, throughout the day I "forget" to drink enough fluid. Living in
>the desert, it's important to keep hydrated.

if you feel you must drink water, i recommend tonic water with gin and
a little lime.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:37:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:02:53 +1200, Miche >
>
>> It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force"
>> yourself to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh,
>> and "you're dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock
>> as well.)
>
>The "8 glasses of water a day" was officially promulgated by the
>medical establishment for years. They only retreated from
>it recently.
>

evidently not. check snopes:

<http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp>

it mentions a few quacks, no 'medical establishment.'

your pal,
blake
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:38:28 -0400, "The UnInmate"
> wrote:

>
><sf> wrote in message ...
>>
>> I'm trying to like water more.
>
>I know people who still buy bottled water, but only for the bottles, which
>occasionally need to be replaced. Still a kind of WTF practice. Bottled
>water has been exposed as a fraud.
>

you mean it's not water? if it were, say, vodka, i'd be tempted to
buy some.

your pal,
blake
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On Sat 12 Jul 2008 11:06:11a, blake murphy told us...

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:46:44 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Fri 11 Jul 2008 04:02:53p, Miche told us...
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "The UnInmate" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to
>>>> > drink eight 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.
>>>>
>>>> My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day
>>>> is an old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the
>>>> water you need from what's in food.
>>>
>>> It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force" yourself
>>> to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh, and "you're
>>> dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)
>>>
>>> Miche
>>>
>>
>>Problem is, throughout the day I "forget" to drink enough fluid. Living
>>in the desert, it's important to keep hydrated.
>
> if you feel you must drink water, i recommend tonic water with gin and
> a little lime.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Sounds like a fine recommendation, but I fear my boss might frown on it at
work. :-)

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blake murphy > wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:37:59 +0000 (UTC),

>>The "8 glasses of water a day" was officially promulgated by the
>>medical establishment for years. They only retreated from
>>it recently.

>evidently not. check snopes:

>it mentions a few quacks, no 'medical establishment.'

You say that as though they are mutually exclusive.

Steve

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:38:28 -0400, "The UnInmate"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>><sf> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> I'm trying to like water more.
>>
>>I know people who still buy bottled water, but only for the bottles, which
>>occasionally need to be replaced. Still a kind of WTF practice. Bottled
>>water has been exposed as a fraud.
>>
>
> you mean it's not water? if it were, say, vodka, i'd be tempted to
> buy some.

It's water, but it's often nothing other than tapwater, except that it costs
2,000 times more than tapwater.

There's a lovely story around here of Nestle bottling water from a creek
without paying a cent for the water, just $30 or so per year for a bottling
licence. Imagine, free materials for your "manufacturing" process! Any
businessman would sperm in his undies at the thought.

On 2008-07-12, The UnInmate > wrote:
> licence. Imagine, free materials for your "manufacturing" process!

Better yet, an endless supply of monied rubes.

nb

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:46:44 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
> >On Fri 11 Jul 2008 04:02:53p, Miche told us...
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> "The UnInmate" > wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >>> >
> >>> > I don't particularly like drinking water, but I force myself to drink
> >>> > eight 8 oz. glasses a day, in addition to any other liquids.
> >>>
> >>> My doc tells me this business of needing eight glasses of water a day
> >>> is an old househusband's tale. ;-) In reality you get most of the water
> >>> you need from what's in food.
> >>
> >> It is an old househusband's tale. There's no need to "force" yourself
> >> to drink water -- drink when you're thirsty. (Oh, and "you're
> >> dehydrated by the time you feel thirsty" is a crock as well.)
> >
> >Problem is, throughout the day I "forget" to drink enough fluid. Living in
> >the desert, it's important to keep hydrated.
>
> if you feel you must drink water, i recommend tonic water with gin and
> a little lime.

It's a preventative for malaria. I haven't had malaria since I started
drinking gin and tonic.

Miche

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