Tracy > wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > Harking back to HGTV (yes, I watch it a lot! LOL), on 'Designed to
> > Sell' they tell you to get stuff off your kitchen counters, even
> > the microwave if possible. They're engaged in "staging" to make
> > the property appeal to all potential buyers. They make people get
> > all the kids toys off the living room floor, for example. (What
> > ever happened to toy boxes?!) They rearrange furniture to highlight
> > features in the room, such as the fireplace if there is one. Stuff
> > like that. But seeing a dish rack on a counter wouldn't be a deal
> > breaker for me. I can easily imagine the space without it!
> >
>
> I agree now about getting rid of the clutter. Buyers do not want to
> see your decorating style - they need to be able to see the
> possibilities.
> Now, I am currently shopping for a new home and when I look at
> listings on line - the pictures are comical. Some people don't even bother
> to
> clean! never mind get rid of the clutter. And this for a photo shoot
> that will be the primary tool for selling their home!!
>
> -Tracy

I know what you mean! There's another show, 'Curb Appeal' (which isn't
about selling but makes a good point). At least mow the lawn and trim the
bushes before someone snaps a photo for the real estate brochure! And hey,
clean up and get rid of the clutter. It's hard to imagine the potential of
a room with 30 years worth of magazines piled up.

Jill

kilikini wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>
>> The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is
>> that 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would
>> be that high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had one
>> (that I can remember). Probably the other surprise is that for DW
>> folks a two- to three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd have
>> most likely guessed once a day, probably about bedtime (if not after
>> the last meal).
>
> I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let the dishes

Too? I was talking about the two- or three-dayers.

> pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy anyway. :~)

Right. And the two- or three-dayers are wasting less, right?


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Blinky the Shark > wrote:

>kilikini wrote:

>> I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let the dishes

>Too? I was talking about the two- or three-dayers.

>> pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy anyway. :~)

>Right. And the two- or three-dayers are wasting less, right?

With two cats and two people in the household, and none of us
working outside the house (cats hunting in the back yard do not
count), we generate two drainers worth of dishes most days.

Did I mention we have a small kitchen sink, almost no counter
space for dishes to pile up on, etc.

Steve

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:57:28 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>(we have a 2 bedroom 1 bath house)

Do you have what's called a Jack & Jill bathroom (between the
bedrooms)? I've noticed that the difference between 800 and 850,
around here, is a hallway and a bathroom that's directly accessible
w/o going through a bedroom to get there.



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Mae West

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:15:41 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>
>> The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is
>> that 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would
>> be that high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had one
>> (that I can remember). Probably the other surprise is that for DW
>> folks a two- to three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd have
>> most likely guessed once a day, probably about bedtime (if not after
>> the last meal).
>
>I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let the dishes
>pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy anyway. :~)
>
Oh, come on... fess up. You're just hoping that they'll wash and dry
themselves before you get to them.


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Mae West

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> Well, I *can* iron. :-)

So can I, but we don't have to like it, do we? <veg>

> Mom taught me well before I was shipped off to
> college, and those were the "preppie" days when button-down oxford and
> madras plaid shirts were popular, along with well pressed khakies or
> chinos. After I started working, things that required pressing or ironing
> went to the dry cleaner/laundry. Working here in Phoenix now is so laid
> back and casual, it's usually only the "top brass" or professionals like
> attorneys, brokers, etc., that you ever see in a suit, dress shirt, and
> tie. At the company I work for, most folks except for the execs wear
> slacks or jeans that don't need pressing and knit type shirts like polo
> shirts and other pullovers. So, no, I rarely wear much of anything that
> needs ironing. I do own dress shirts, but almost never have a reason to
> wear them. Those get sent to the laundry.

Clever man

> *But*, I'm an expert at doing
> laundry and everything is always spotless, and the whites would blind you.
> :-) The only things I usually iron are formal tablecloths and napkins.
> There's no alternative on things like that.

This is true. But those '100% cotton' ones are a PITA...
>
> My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better washing and
> sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by hand. It's also
> uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks with soapy water and
> running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend the time?

I keep promising myself that I'll buy a DW, but never get around to it.
(Doncha thunk the world needs more round tuits?)
>
> <I know this was way more information than you wanted to know.> :-)))

Not at all, I enjoyed reading it

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy - heading into the kitchen to take the roast chicken out of the
oven...

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Fri 11 Jul 2008 06:32:05a, Goomba told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> We had a built in dishwasher at home since I was around 5 years old.
>> Even before I bought all the furniture for my first apartment, I bought
>> a portable dishwasher. How OCD is that? :-)
>>
> I've always lived in homes with built in dishwashers, from infancy on
> up, although I never saw a portable machine until an adult. Thankfully I
> never had to use one as they seem sort of cumbersome? Emptying the
> dishwasher was one chore we kids had to perform. With 7 of us, I'm sure
> we could have used two dishwashers at a time? I think my mother
> mentioned putting a second one in long before they became more common?
> I run my dishwasher at least once a day. Full loads but then I also put
> most of my pots and pans in also if they fit. If the load is full,
> we'll handwash that odd pot or dish at times, just to finish the job
> off. Good knives are hand washed, as are wooden cutting boards, but
> throwing plastic cutting boards in the dishwasher is the way to go. I
> would hate to have a lot of dirty dishes sitting in or around my sink
> area until I washed. That alone makes the dishwasher a good thing-dirty
> dishes are hidden away. I have a LOT of kitchen ware in multiples so
> rarely have to handwash anything just to be able to use it.

The portable dishwasher I bought was actually a "convertible". It was a
top model front-loading Kitchen Aid. It was housed in a removable cabinet
that would allow it to be built in if desired. Luckily, I had a really
good location for it in my kitchen. It also had a solid maple cutting
board top which came in handy. Apart from wheeling it to the sink and
connecting it, it really wasn't inconvenient at all.

I've had two previous houses that had two dishwashers. Since there are
only two of us, most of the time during the week I would only use one of
them. However, if I was doing a lot of cooking or baking (especially on
the weekend) I could easily fill up both, and sometimes more than once.

I don't own any wooden cutting boards...got rid of those long ago when the
polypropylene boards came out, so they go in the dishwasher. My good
knives are the only things I don't put in the dishwasher.

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:16:11 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Even
>before I bought all the furniture for my first apartment, I bought a
>portable dishwasher. How OCD is that? :-)

That's not OCD! That's hating to do dishes by hand and seems logical
enough to me.


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Mae West

On Fri 11 Jul 2008 09:50:28a, ChattyCathy told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> Well, I *can* iron. :-)
>
> So can I, but we don't have to like it, do we? <veg>

I can think of a lot of other things I'd rather do! :-)

>> Mom taught me well before I was shipped off to
>> college, and those were the "preppie" days when button-down oxford and
>> madras plaid shirts were popular, along with well pressed khakies or
>> chinos. After I started working, things that required pressing or
>> ironing went to the dry cleaner/laundry. Working here in Phoenix now
>> is so laid back and casual, it's usually only the "top brass" or
>> professionals like attorneys, brokers, etc., that you ever see in a
>> suit, dress shirt, and tie. At the company I work for, most folks
>> except for the execs wear slacks or jeans that don't need pressing and
>> knit type shirts like polo shirts and other pullovers. So, no, I
>> rarely wear much of anything that needs ironing. I do own dress
>> shirts, but almost never have a reason to wear them. Those get sent to
>> the laundry.
>
> Clever man

Thanks!

>
>> *But*, I'm an expert at doing
>> laundry and everything is always spotless, and the whites would blind
>> you.
>> :-) The only things I usually iron are formal tablecloths and napkins.
>> There's no alternative on things like that.
>
> This is true. But those '100% cotton' ones are a PITA...

I do it the "old fashioned" way, like my mom did. I sprinkle them, roll
them up, and put them in a plastic bag and into the fridge overnight.
Next day, Iron with a steam iron. The additional moisture makes it a
breeze.

>> My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better washing
>> and sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by hand. It's
>> also uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks with soapy
>> water and running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend the time?
>
> I keep promising myself that I'll buy a DW, but never get around to it.
> (Doncha thunk the world needs more round tuits?)

They oughtta sell 'em! <vbg>


>> <I know this was way more information than you wanted to know.> :-)))
>
> Not at all, I enjoyed reading it
>

Thanks, Cathy!

--
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plowshares, for if you hit a man with
a ploughshare, he'll know he's been hit.
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On Fri 11 Jul 2008 09:51:17a, told us...

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:16:11 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>Even
>>before I bought all the furniture for my first apartment, I bought a
>>portable dishwasher. How OCD is that? :-)
>
> That's not OCD! That's hating to do dishes by hand and seems logical
> enough to me.

Well, thanks, Barbara!

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Speak the truth, but leave immediately
after. - Yugoslav Proverb
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sf wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:57:28 -0400, "kilikini"
> > wrote:
>
>> (we have a 2 bedroom 1 bath house)
>
> Do you have what's called a Jack & Jill bathroom (between the
> bedrooms)? I've noticed that the difference between 800 and 850,
> around here, is a hallway and a bathroom that's directly accessible
> w/o going through a bedroom to get there.

No, we have an almost perfectly square house. The kitchen is side-by-side
with the living room. The kitchen is shorter than the living room to
accomodate the space for the bathroom. (The kitchen and bathroom share a
wall.) We have a short hallway in the middle (bathroom on the left) with the
back bedroom at the end of the hallway. (Again the back bedroom is short to
accomodate the bathroom.) On the right hand side of our hallway is our
bedroom - back wall flush with the living room wall.

It's a really simple, basic design, but, again, it's SOOOOO easy to clean!
Oh, and the best part is that if I plug the vacuum cleaner into the bathroom
outlet, I can vacuum the entire house! Tile & wood floor included! (Hey,
sometimes it beats sweeping!)

The only downfall is that there isn't much room to run when the cats get
their "zoomies". <g> They can only bounce off the couch, run down the
hall, onto the bed and back. They're wearing quite the path into the
hardwood floor! LOL.

kili

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> kilikini wrote:
>
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is
>>> that 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would
>>> be that high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had
>>> one (that I can remember). Probably the other surprise is that for
>>> DW folks a two- to three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd
>>> have most likely guessed once a day, probably about bedtime (if not
>>> after the last meal).
>>
>> I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let the
>> dishes
>
> Too? I was talking about the two- or three-dayers.
>
>> pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy anyway. :~)
>
> Right. And the two- or three-dayers are wasting less, right?

Okay, you got me. Mine have been sitting for 2 days now. :~)

kili

Steve Pope wrote:
> Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>
>> kilikini wrote:
>
>>> I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let
>>> the dishes
>
>> Too? I was talking about the two- or three-dayers.
>
>>> pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy anyway. :~)
>
>> Right. And the two- or three-dayers are wasting less, right?
>
> With two cats and two people in the household, and none of us
> working outside the house (cats hunting in the back yard do not
> count), we generate two drainers worth of dishes most days.
>
> Did I mention we have a small kitchen sink, almost no counter
> space for dishes to pile up on, etc.
>
> Steve

We have 2 people, 3 cats and probably about as much counter space as you
have. I think our households are twins. :~)

kili

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:15:41 -0400, "kilikini"
> > wrote:
>
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is
>>> that 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would
>>> be that high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had
>>> one (that I can remember). Probably the other surprise is that for
>>> DW folks a two- to three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd
>>> have most likely guessed once a day, probably about bedtime (if not
>>> after the last meal).
>>
>> I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let the
>> dishes pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy
>> anyway. :~)
>>
> Oh, come on... fess up. You're just hoping that they'll wash and dry
> themselves before you get to them.

Very true, Barb. <wink>

kili

kilikini wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> kilikini wrote:
>>
>>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is
>>>> that 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would
>>>> be that high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had
>>>> one (that I can remember). Probably the other surprise is that for
>>>> DW folks a two- to three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd
>>>> have most likely guessed once a day, probably about bedtime (if not
>>>> after the last meal).
>>>
>>> I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let the
>>> dishes
>>
>> Too? I was talking about the two- or three-dayers.
>>
>>> pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy anyway. :~)
>>
>> Right. And the two- or three-dayers are wasting less, right?
>
> Okay, you got me. Mine have been sitting for 2 days now. :~)

Busted!

Not a bad quality, of course...


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kilikini > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> With two cats and two people in the household, and none of us
>> working outside the house (cats hunting in the back yard do not
>> count), we generate two drainers worth of dishes most days.
>>
>> Did I mention we have a small kitchen sink, almost no counter
>> space for dishes to pile up on, etc.

>We have 2 people, 3 cats and probably about as much counter space as you
>have. I think our households are twins. :~)

Heh.

I just measured this and the counter is only 21" deep,
and there's a total of 70" of counter space, split between
either side of the sink.

Just enough space, IMO.

Steve

On Fri 11 Jul 2008 11:19:36a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> "kilikini" > news:4877a13f$0$2939
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>>>
>> We have 2 people, 3 cats and probably about as much counter space as you
>> have. I think our households are twins. :~)
>>
>> kili
>
> We have 3 cats,,,, inside... one outside. With the new kitchen... I
gots
> lots of counter space.
>
> Michael

We have 2 people, 5 cats inside, and plenty of counter space.

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:37:47 -0700, sf wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:20:45 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>>Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
>What cooking utensils are not dishwasher safe? Black cast iron? Why
>not just ask if we prefer to wash your pots and pans by hand? That's
>me.

i usually let pots and pans (except for the wok) sit in the sink with
soapy water in them for a day or two before washing them. dishwasher
runs when the sink is full of glasses.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:00:21 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>They're wearing quite the path into the hardwood floor! LOL.

Sounds like they need some traction in the hallway. Hardwood is too
smooth and they're ruining it.



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Mae West

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:15:51 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote:

>ChattyCathy > wrote in message
...
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
> I'm curious about all those people that run non-dw-safe things
>through their dw more than once a day but don't run their dw
>more than once a day...
>
>The Ranger
>

thank god some people are still using drugs.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:01:51 -0700 (PDT), maxine in ri
> wrote:

>On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
>We're using it once a day, but we fill it up with the plastic lunch
>dishes an dinner stuff. DH has decided that his morning dish, fork,
>knife and coffee pot can be done by hand, along with the knife and
>cutting board. so it's just the two meals for the three of us. And
>if i get into a cooking frenzy, it doesn't all fit anyhow.
>
>DH does not wear gloves, but I do. I actually have 10 whole nails the
>same size at the moment<g>
>
>Tonight, we're trying it without the dryer cycle, to see how that
>goes. Otherwise, we'll have to replace the fridge and clothes dryer
>to pay for the electricity the dry cycle will use.
>
the dry cycle is a waste. the dishes will dry just fine by
themselves.

in the winter, i sometimes open the dishwasher after it is done to
release a little heat and moisture into the air.

>DH is happy with his new toy. The dishes are coming out clean, so i'm
>happy too.
>
>maxine in ri

a happy husband is, um...happy.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

ChattyCathy > wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >
> > Well, I *can* iron. :-)
>
> So can I, but we don't have to like it, do we? <veg>
>
Buy linen. The moment you put it on it's wrinkled. Good excuse

Jill

blake murphy wrote:

> i usually let pots and pans (except for the wok) sit in the sink with
> soapy water in them for a day or two before washing them. dishwasher
> runs when the sink is full of glasses.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I couldn't stand to look at pots and pans sitting dirty that long.
But I did know an older English lady who used to say that the time to do
the dishes was after the last set was exhausted. Years ago, one couldn't
bring inherited money out of England. She would travel back and forth
between DC and the UK, she often bought sets of dishes and brought them
back in her lap on the airplane (back in the days travel was a LOT
easier and more comfortable) so she had many beautiful large sets. She
actually did let dishes pile up at times until it got a bit dicey. She
threw big huge house parties and was great fun to know.

She's also the lucky garage sale purchaser of a $5 stained glass lamp
that sat in her DC home's hallway for many years. One visitor said he
thought she should have it appraised, almost sure it was a work by Louis
Comfort Tiffany? After much prodding, she did and it was! She sold it
for $30,000.00 and laughed that all those years that the lamp her kids
ran past and knocked into was so valuable, surely it would have broken!
But since they considered it just a garage sale knock off, it remained
unscathed. LOL

Tracy wrote:

> Now, I am currently shopping for a new home and when I look at
> listings
> on line - the pictures are comical. Some people don't even bother to
> clean! never mind get rid of the clutter. And this for a photo shoot
> that will be the primary tool for selling their home!!

Amazing, isn't it? I've seen it myself or I would think it was just
set up for the show. People leave piles of crap all over when
they are expecting people to come look at their house. Yikes,
nothing makes me clean the place like expecting company, never
mind strangers who I'm trying convince to buy it!

nancy

The Ranger wrote:
> ChattyCathy > wrote

>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
> I'm curious about all those people that run non-dw-safe things
> through their dw more than once a day but don't run their dw
> more than once a day...

I'm pretty sure it said how often do you wash the non-dw
stuff *by hand*.

nancy

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>
> My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better washing and
> sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by hand. It's also
> uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks with soapy water and
> running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend the time?

With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway. Then they sit in
the dishwasher and are unavailable until someone runs it, which is bad for
someone who doesn't have many dishes. Then, after it's run, it's a major job
to empty it, sort of like washing a week's worth of dishes all at once. And
if it's not completely full when run, even chance someone will insert dirty
dishes among the clean ones without looking. I respect your right to use a
dishwasher and believe in it, but for my own reasons I don't.

The UnInmate wrote:
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>
>> My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better
>> washing and sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by
>> hand. It's also uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks
>> with soapy water and running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend
>> the time?
>
> With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway.

No, you don't.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
> The UnInmate wrote:
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better
>>> washing and sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by
>>> hand. It's also uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks
>>> with soapy water and running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend
>>> the time?
>>
>> With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway.
>
> No, you don't.
> nancy

One more "No, you don't".

With a good dishwasher such as a Kitchenaid you don't have to pre-clean the
dishes unless they happen to have glued on egg yolks or something. Even in
a situation like that using Cascade Complete works very nicely. Dishwashers
have come a long way.

sf wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:08:04 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Steve Pope wrote:
>>>
>>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>>
>>> >labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
>>> >water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
>>> >serviceable if not fashionable DW.
>>>
>>> Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
>>> residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
>>> So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food
>>
>>Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the portables
>>provide counter space on top, you can't count them like that.
>
> He's in an old house, and the kitchen counters may not be 24 inches
> deep. That happens a lot around here.
>>
>>Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec I've got a
>>$1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a lot more than that.
>
> You don't live in Berkeley, California either. It's a trade off.
> Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating. He made his
> choice, you made yours.
>
Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf. In other
words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring or stimulating?
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

ChattyCathy > wrote:
> sf wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:08:04 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Steve Pope wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Pete C. > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use
> > > > > hotter water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a
> > > > > perfectly serviceable if not fashionable DW.
> > > >
> > > > Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
> > > > residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
> > > > So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > >
> > > Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food
> > >
> > > Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the
> > > portables provide counter space on top, you can't count them like
> > > that.
> >
> > He's in an old house, and the kitchen counters may not be 24 inches
> > deep. That happens a lot around here.
> > >
> > > Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec
> > > I've got a $1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a
> > > lot more than that.
> >
> > You don't live in Berkeley, California either. It's a trade off.
> > Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating. He made his
> > choice, you made yours.
> >
> Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
> Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf. In
> other words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring or
> stimulating?

I'd much rather have wildlife to watch (the hummingbirds have been
particularly active today! and I saw a young fawn crossing the road the
other day) than the noise, hustle & bustle of a city. I don't consider that
stimulating, I consider it annoying. But then, I'm not a gotta go out to
dinner all the time person, either. Give me a peaceful place to kick back
with a book and I'm happy

Jill

Chris Marksberry wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> The UnInmate wrote:
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better
>>>> washing and sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by
>>>> hand. It's also uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks
>>>> with soapy water and running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend
>>>> the time?
>>>
>>> With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway.
>>
>> No, you don't.

> One more "No, you don't".
>
> With a good dishwasher such as a Kitchenaid you don't have to
> pre-clean the dishes unless they happen to have glued on egg yolks or
> something. Even in a situation like that using Cascade Complete
> works very nicely. Dishwashers have come a long way.

Exactly. I don't clean off egg yolks, either. The dishes come
out sparkling clean every time.

nancy

The UnInmate wrote:

> With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway. Then they sit in
> the dishwasher and are unavailable until someone runs it, which is bad for
> someone who doesn't have many dishes. Then, after it's run, it's a major job
> to empty it, sort of like washing a week's worth of dishes all at once. And
> if it's not completely full when run, even chance someone will insert dirty
> dishes among the clean ones without looking. I respect your right to use a
> dishwasher and believe in it, but for my own reasons I don't.
>
If you need to "pre-clean" before putting dishes in the DW, you have a
lousy dishwasher! What a major waste of time and resources!
It takes less than 2 or 3 minutes for me to empty my full dishwasher. It
helps that I know where everything goes and it is a very short distance
getting it there indeed!

Goomba wrote:

> The UnInmate wrote:
>
> > With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway. Then
> > they sit in the dishwasher and are unavailable until someone runs
> > it, which is bad for someone who doesn't have many dishes. Then,
> > after it's run, it's a major job to empty it, sort of like washing
> > a week's worth of dishes all at once. And if it's not completely
> > full when run, even chance someone will insert dirty dishes among
> > the clean ones without looking. I respect your right to use a
> > dishwasher and believe in it, but for my own reasons I don't.

> If you need to "pre-clean" before putting dishes in the DW, you have
> a lousy dishwasher! What a major waste of time and resources! It
> takes less than 2 or 3 minutes for me to empty my full dishwasher. It
> helps that I know where everything goes and it is a very short
> distance getting it there indeed!

That's why I store a lot of the dishes in the cupboard above the
dishwasher, it speeds up unloading. All the plates, bowls, and glasses
go there.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On Fri 11 Jul 2008 01:12:30p, The UnInmate told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>
>> My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better washing
>> and sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by hand. It's
>> also uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks with soapy
>> water and running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend the time?
>
> With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway. Then they sit
> in the dishwasher and are unavailable until someone runs it, which is
> bad for someone who doesn't have many dishes. Then, after it's run, it's
> a major job to empty it, sort of like washing a week's worth of dishes
> all at once. And if it's not completely full when run, even chance
> someone will insert dirty dishes among the clean ones without looking. I
> respect your right to use a dishwasher and believe in it, but for my own
> reasons I don't.

It depends on your circustances. I do not "pre-clean" anything that goes
in the dishwasher. All I do is remove particles of food by lightly
scraping off with a rubber spatula, knife, or fork. I would have to do
that anyway, if I were washing them in the sink. We always have a full
load at least once a day. If I hand washed and dried them, I'd still have
to put the damned things away. Obviously, your situation must be
different.



--
Wayne Boatwright
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On Fri 11 Jul 2008 02:04:32p, Nancy Young told us...

> Chris Marksberry wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> The UnInmate wrote:
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better
>>>>> washing and sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by
>>>>> hand. It's also uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks
>>>>> with soapy water and running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend
>>>>> the time?
>>>>
>>>> With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway.
>>>
>>> No, you don't.
>
>> One more "No, you don't".
>>
>> With a good dishwasher such as a Kitchenaid you don't have to
>> pre-clean the dishes unless they happen to have glued on egg yolks or
>> something. Even in a situation like that using Cascade Complete works
>> very nicely. Dishwashers have come a long way.
>
> Exactly. I don't clean off egg yolks, either. The dishes come
> out sparkling clean every time.
>
> nancy
>

Agreed. I only scrape off excess food or bones.

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On Fri 11 Jul 2008 02:57:22p, Goomba told us...

> The UnInmate wrote:
>
>> With a dishwasher you have to pre-clean the dishes anyway. Then they
>> sit in the dishwasher and are unavailable until someone runs it, which
>> is bad for someone who doesn't have many dishes. Then, after it's run,
>> it's a major job to empty it, sort of like washing a week's worth of
>> dishes all at once. And if it's not completely full when run, even
>> chance someone will insert dirty dishes among the clean ones without
>> looking. I respect your right to use a dishwasher and believe in it,
>> but for my own reasons I don't.
>>
> If you need to "pre-clean" before putting dishes in the DW, you have a
> lousy dishwasher! What a major waste of time and resources!
> It takes less than 2 or 3 minutes for me to empty my full dishwasher. It
> helps that I know where everything goes and it is a very short distance
> getting it there indeed!
>

Exactly!

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Default User wrote:
> Goomba wrote:

>> It
>> takes less than 2 or 3 minutes for me to empty my full dishwasher. It
>> helps that I know where everything goes and it is a very short
>> distance getting it there indeed!
>
> That's why I store a lot of the dishes in the cupboard above the
> dishwasher, it speeds up unloading. All the plates, bowls, and glasses
> go there.

Ditto. I designed my kitchen, everything you mention is put
away without taking a step away from the machine. It takes
no time. Cutlery drawer is right there, too. I'm the queen of
lazy and even I can't complain about emptying the dishwasher.

nancy

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
> in the winter, i sometimes open the dishwasher after it is done to
> release a little heat and moisture into the air.
>

If you don't open the door, where does the heat go?

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:43:46 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
>Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf. In other
>words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring or stimulating?

Let's just say I haven't been a City Girl all of my life and I know
exactly what I'm talking about.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:43:46 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
>>Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf. In
>>other
>>words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring or stimulating?
>
> Let's just say I haven't been a City Girl all of my life and I know
> exactly what I'm talking about.
>

What is really stupid about Cathy's comment is this: if it comes out of your
mouth it is your OPINION. People have different tastes. To think someone
speaking for himself is speaking for everyone is asinine. There is therefore
no need to say "in my honest opinion."