On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>kilikini > wrote:
>
>>Steve Pope wrote:
>
>>> With two cats and two people in the household, and none of us
>>> working outside the house (cats hunting in the back yard do not
>>> count), we generate two drainers worth of dishes most days.
>>>
>>> Did I mention we have a small kitchen sink, almost no counter
>>> space for dishes to pile up on, etc.
>
>>We have 2 people, 3 cats and probably about as much counter space as you
>>have. I think our households are twins. :~)
>
>Heh.
>
>I just measured this and the counter is only 21" deep,
>and there's a total of 70" of counter space, split between
>either side of the sink.
>
>Just enough space, IMO.
>
70 inches? Wow! I think my son has 60 inches of counter (maybe less)
and it's not all useable because that includes a full sized sink. He
found an 18 inch wide wire shelving piece with a wooden top (at IKEA)
that he put on the other wall to increase counter space and storage.
It's not perfect, but it works for now in his small space.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:43:46 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
>>Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf. In
>>other words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring or
>>stimulating?
>
> Let's just say I haven't been a City Girl all of my life and I know
> exactly what I'm talking about.

Sigh. You still missed the point. I have also lived on 'no acres' and
on 'lots of acres'. I happen to prefer the latter. *You* may find living
on 'no acres' stimulating, but that's your *personal* choice, not mine...
Therefore, just because *you* say that lots of acres is boring does not
make it so for me (and probably many others). Get it now?
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:43:46 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
> > Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
> > Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf.
> > In other words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring
> > or stimulating?
>
> Let's just say I haven't been a City Girl all of my life and I know
> exactly what I'm talking about.

Me, I'd rather *not* hear the hustle and bustle that you find so
"stimulating". I enjoy quiet. I enjoy watching the wildlife, kicking back
with a good book and a view of the bird feeders. What you find
"stimulating" I moved (several times) to get away from. No thanks!

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:43:46 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
>> > Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf.
>> > In other words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring
>> > or stimulating?
>>
>> Let's just say I haven't been a City Girl all of my life and I know
>> exactly what I'm talking about.
>
> Me, I'd rather *not* hear the hustle and bustle that you find so
> "stimulating". I enjoy quiet. I enjoy watching the wildlife, kicking
> back with a good book and a view of the bird feeders. What you find
> "stimulating" I moved (several times) to get away from. No thanks!
>
> Jill

Maybe she likes the stimulation of hearing the neighbors screwing.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:43:46 +0200, ChattyCathy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
>>> > Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf.
>>> > In other words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring
>>> > or stimulating?
>>>
>>> Let's just say I haven't been a City Girl all of my life and I know
>>> exactly what I'm talking about.
>>
>> Me, I'd rather *not* hear the hustle and bustle that you find so
>> "stimulating". I enjoy quiet. I enjoy watching the wildlife, kicking
>> back with a good book and a view of the bird feeders. What you find
>> "stimulating" I moved (several times) to get away from. No thanks!
>>
>> Jill
>
> Maybe she likes the stimulation of hearing the neighbors screwing.

<snork>

I don't miss living 'cheek by jowl' with the neighbors that's for sure.
People always find something to moan about. Heh. I was on the 'committee' at
the last complex I lived in so I used to get people knocking on my door
(five or six times a week at least) complaining about their neighbor's
dogs, cats, loud music etc. One resident even used to complain about the
smoke from outdoor grills wafting over onto his property from the
unit 'next door'. There was nothing in the 'house rules' that stated
outdoor grilling was banned at that complex, so what the heck he expected
me to do about it, I have no clue. Oh, and the arguments about who had what
parking spaces (especially for visitors' cars) was always good for a bit
of 'stimulation'.

These days I need field glasses to see my nearest neighbor's house; I can
park wherever I want to on our property and I can play my music as loudly
as I want without 'disturbing the peace'. If I want to grill outdoors,
nobody else is close enough for the smoke to bother them. I like it that
way, and I personally don't find it boring; on the rare occasion that I
voluntarily want to be in an overcrowded area, I can get in the car and
find one. So I would rather describe living here as 'peaceful'
versus 'stressful' on no acres - JMHO, of course...
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> > in the winter, i sometimes open the dishwasher after it is done to
> > release a little heat and moisture into the air.
>
> If you don't open the door, where does the heat go?

There should be a vent at the top front that opens after the cycle is
completed, at least my Maytag self vents. But I still open the door,
enough to release the cleaning product door and then I close it but
leave it cracked just enough for the moisture to disapate more
quickly. Maybe other brands of dishwasher work differently. Having
cats I can't leave the door fully opened, I probably wouldn't anyway,
would make a great booby trap to walk into... people who leave knives
business end up have backed into open dishwasher doors and stabbed
themselves, badly. I run my dishwasher like twice a week, in early
evening. It finishes well before bed time so I'm awake to crack open
the door. I unload first thing in the morning.

Only utter morons leave dishwasher doors open, the same kind of
imbeciles who don't close cabinets immediately. A friend of mine
stood up under an open upper cabinet door and knocked himself out,
woke up in the morning lying on the kitchen floor in a pool of blood.

On Jul 12, 9:49�am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> Sheldon > �news:2cd7ac50-1909-464b-9ac6-
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>
> > Only utter morons leave dishwasher doors open, the same kind of
> > imbeciles who don't close cabinets immediately. �A friend of mine
> > stood up under an open upper cabinet door and knocked himself out,
> > woke up in the morning lying on the kitchen floor in a pool of blood.
>
> I'm a freak about open cabinets, doors, washing machines etc. �I NEVER
> leave them open. �Period. �It's the law. Steven has had to learn the hard
> way. My cats are my concern. They can sneak into a washing machine in
> seconds. Bitz is sitting here with me and can vouch for the sneakiness

I wouldn't say sneaky... sneaky implies an act done with malice and
forethought... humans are sneaky, animals are just being animals, cats
are naturally inquisitive, all preditory animals are, that's how they
survive in the wild, instinctively... humans have no instincts, none,
all human behaviour is planned and plotted. Cats can never be fully
domesticated, in fact we only think they are because we accomodate
them, they don't accomodate humans at all. Cats have now surpassed
dogs as the must common pet in the US, because cats demonstrate
behaviour that humans find most tolerable... dog behaviour is far more
difficult/demanding. I've never yet seen a cat hump a leg and sniff a
crotch.

On Jul 11, 1:06 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> I'm pretty sure it said how often do you wash the non-dw
> stuff *by hand*.

Yep; saw that after reviewing the post. <sigh> What's that ol' axiom,
"Read. Read it again. Read it a third time. Delete it."

The Ranger

On Jul 11, 12:12 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> thank god some people are still using drugs.

I wish they'd share...

The Ranger wrote:
> On Jul 11, 12:12 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> thank god some people are still using drugs.
>
> I wish they'd share...

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kili

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:21:11 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
>> in the winter, i sometimes open the dishwasher after it is done to
>> release a little heat and moisture into the air.
>>
>
>If you don't open the door, where does the heat go?
>

i assume it's vented somewhere that isn't into the room, and heats up
the sink and counter over it. neither puts as much warm air into the
room.

your pal,
blake
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:23:04 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>
>> i usually let pots and pans (except for the wok) sit in the sink with
>> soapy water in them for a day or two before washing them. dishwasher
>> runs when the sink is full of glasses.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>I couldn't stand to look at pots and pans sitting dirty that long.

if i get sick of looking at the pan i can always look at the glasses
instead.

your pal,
blake
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On Jul 10, 7:50*pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is that
> 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would be that
> high. *But I guess that just reflects that I've never had one (that I can
> remember). *Probably the other surprise is that for DW folks a two- to
> three-day wash frequency is pretty common. *I'd have most likely guessed
> once a day, probably about bedtime (if not after the last meal).

Out-of-sight = out-of-mind? If you only have 1-3 people in the house
you can easily put 2-3 days dishes in the dishwasher and then, at
least in my case, the idea is not to use more energy and water than I
need to.


John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Jul 11, 10:17*am, "kilikini" > wrote:
> Pete C. wrote:
> > Steve Pope wrote:
>
> >> Pete C. > wrote:
>
> >>> labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
> >>> water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
> >>> serviceable if not fashionable DW.
>
> >> Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. *Cost of
> >> residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
> >> So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
>
> >> Steve
>
> > Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food
>
> > Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the portables
> > provide counter space on top, you can't count them like that.
>
> > Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec I've
> > got a $1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a lot more
> > than that.
>
> What if you only have about 3 feet of counter space and you need those
> cabinets? *Can't put a dishwasher in this house. *I'm happy that my husband
> is willing to help with the dishes occasionally. *That's one chore I can't
> stand, honestly.
>
> kili-


Clearly you have an excelent organicly powered dishwasher. You just
need to do read the manual. I would refer you to
http://www.midlandstech.edu/sbs/pilk...l/218unit3.htm Works with
pigeons, dogs and spouses. However when using it on spouse do not
leave manual lying around.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:35:13 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:43:46 +0200, ChattyCathy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Heh. "Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating." Ahem.
>>> > Methinks you left out the "IMHO" at the end of that statement, sf.
>>> > In other words, who died and made *you* the judge of what is boring
>>> > or stimulating?
>>>
>>> Let's just say I haven't been a City Girl all of my life and I know
>>> exactly what I'm talking about.
>>
>> Me, I'd rather *not* hear the hustle and bustle that you find so
>> "stimulating". I enjoy quiet. I enjoy watching the wildlife, kicking
>> back with a good book and a view of the bird feeders. What you find
>> "stimulating" I moved (several times) to get away from. No thanks!
>>
>> Jill
>
>Maybe she likes the stimulation of hearing the neighbors screwing.
>
Didn't say I liked apartments, just city life.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Jul 11, 10:19*am, "kilikini" > wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> >> I don't own or use anything that I can't put in the dishwasher.
>
> > I suppose you don't own any clothing that needs ironing either?
> > <Cathy grins at Wayne>
>
> I don't!!!!! *I don't even own an iron. *:~)
>
> kili

I owned one once. I don't think I''ve seen it in about 30 -35 years so
I probably don't have it any more.

I did have to borrow one once when I had visitors a few days after I'd
moved into a new condo. To borrow iron: First find English-French
dictionary. 2. Figure out what is the correct term.
3. Remember "borrow" in French

4. Find concierge (only person I knew in complex) and ask in borken
French to borrow iron.

Success.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:50:25 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>I don't miss living 'cheek by jowl' with the neighbors that's for sure.
>People always find something to moan about. Heh. I was on the 'committee' at
>the last complex I lived in so I used to get people knocking on my door
>(five or six times a week at least) complaining about their neighbor's
>dogs, cats, loud music etc. One resident even used to complain about the
>smoke from outdoor grills wafting over onto his property from the
>unit 'next door'. There was nothing in the 'house rules' that stated
>outdoor grilling was banned at that complex, so what the heck he expected
>me to do about it, I have no clue. Oh, and the arguments about who had what
>parking spaces (especially for visitors' cars) was always good for a bit
>of 'stimulation'.

You got what you signed on for. If you didn't want to deal with those
issues, you wouldn't have been on the board. It's called acting like
a grown up. <shrug> My dad got stabbed with a screwdriver by a
fellow condo owner when he was on his board (this is no slum either,
it's the ritzy part of N Lakeshore Dr. in Chicago between the zoo and
downtown). He still lives there and he's back on the board at 80+.

>These days I need field glasses to see my nearest neighbor's house;

<shudder> As a kid, I lived in the woods and didn't see anything
except trees and wildlife. Oh, it was next to a large lake and my
family owned over half of the surrounding property. The neighbors
were two (summertime only) camps that, combined, owned the other half.

>I can park wherever I want to on our property

I have a garage. Whatta concept! Lots of street parking too and the
streetcar is half a block away, so I don't have to drive if I don't
want to.

>and I can play my music as loudly
>as I want without 'disturbing the peace'. If I want to grill outdoors,
>nobody else is close enough for the smoke to bother them.

Me too, except I don't like loud noise, so loud music is out of the
question. I also know how to bbq without neighbors summoning the fire
department.

>I like it that
>way, and I personally don't find it boring; on the rare occasion that I
>voluntarily want to be in an overcrowded area, I can get in the car and
>find one. So I would rather describe living here as 'peaceful'
>versus 'stressful' on no acres - JMHO, of course...

Stress is what you make of it. There's good stress and there's bad
stress. If you didn't want any stress you wouldn't have gotten on
that "board", for starters.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:50:25 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>I don't miss living 'cheek by jowl' with the neighbors that's for sure.
>>People always find something to moan about. Heh. I was on the 'committee'
>>at the last complex I lived in so I used to get people knocking on my door
>>(five or six times a week at least) complaining about their neighbor's
>>dogs, cats, loud music etc. One resident even used to complain about the
>>smoke from outdoor grills wafting over onto his property from the
>>unit 'next door'. There was nothing in the 'house rules' that stated
>>outdoor grilling was banned at that complex, so what the heck he expected
>>me to do about it, I have no clue. Oh, and the arguments about who had
>>what parking spaces (especially for visitors' cars) was always good for a
>>bit of 'stimulation'.
>
> You got what you signed on for. If you didn't want to deal with those
> issues, you wouldn't have been on the board. It's called acting like
> a grown up. <shrug>

I joined the committee the first year I lived there, not realizing how
childish so-called adults can be. I wanted to resign after the first year,
but I kept getting 'talked into' to staying on at every Annual General
Meeting of the complex by the other unit owners after that, because nobody
else was prepared to take my place - and we had to have at least two people
on the committee according to the local "Sectional Title Act" - which is
law. I had a string of 'second' committee members over the years who had
the good sense to move out of the complex before they were suckered into
joining up for a second time.

However, one of the 'amusing' things I remember was getting knocked up at
3am by a resident who had just arrived home. Apparently her remote control
for the garage door had 'stopped working'. I asked her if she had checked
the battery in it. Her response was "Oh, do these things take batteries?".
Anyway, I opened up the garage for her so she could park her car - and
asked her to please check the battery in her remote control in the morning
and buy a new one if necessary...

> My dad got stabbed with a screwdriver by a
> fellow condo owner when he was on his board (this is no slum either,
> it's the ritzy part of N Lakeshore Dr. in Chicago between the zoo and
> downtown). He still lives there and he's back on the board at 80+.

Heh. Didn't get injured myself, but had to stop a knife-fight between a
married couple that lived in our complex once. Shook me up a bit, I have to
admit.
>
>>These days I need field glasses to see my nearest neighbor's house;
>
> <shudder> As a kid, I lived in the woods and didn't see anything
> except trees and wildlife. Oh, it was next to a large lake and my
> family owned over half of the surrounding property. The neighbors
> were two (summertime only) camps that, combined, owned the other half.

That's where we're different. I got tired of the traffic, noise and fumes in
the city... I like the local wildlife. I hate the big crowded shopping
centers too (especially over the weekends). Just irritates me, having to
stand in long lines at the check-outs while you have people breathing down
your neck. <shudder>
>
>>I can park wherever I want to on our property
>
> I have a garage. Whatta concept! Lots of street parking too and the
> streetcar is half a block away, so I don't have to drive if I don't
> want to.

Believe it or not we also have a garage - yep, they have those on 'lots of
acres' too. It can park 3 cars. And a double car-port attached to it. But
if I feel like parking under a tree, I can do it without some neighbor
complaining that I'm in his/her parking space.
>
>>and I can play my music as loudly
>>as I want without 'disturbing the peace'. If I want to grill outdoors,
>>nobody else is close enough for the smoke to bother them.
>
> Me too, except I don't like loud noise, so loud music is out of the
> question.

Of course, that's your prerogative.

> I also know how to bbq without neighbors summoning the fire
> department.

Ya thunk? You didn't live in *that* complex...
>
>>I like it that
>>way, and I personally don't find it boring; on the rare occasion that I
>>voluntarily want to be in an overcrowded area, I can get in the car and
>>find one. So I would rather describe living here as 'peaceful'
>>versus 'stressful' on no acres - JMHO, of course...
>
> Stress is what you make of it. There's good stress and there's bad
> stress.

Give me an example of 'good stress', please?

> If you didn't want any stress you wouldn't have gotten on
> that "board", for starters.

Asked and answered above.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:37:51 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:50:25 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>
>However, one of the 'amusing' things I remember was getting knocked up

That's an LOL! Getting knocked up has a completely different meaning
from yours here in the States.
>

>>
>> Stress is what you make of it. There's good stress and there's bad
>> stress.
>
>Give me an example of 'good stress', please?

Children, parties etc.




--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:37:51 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:50:25 +0200, ChattyCathy
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>However, one of the 'amusing' things I remember was getting knocked up
>
> That's an LOL! Getting knocked up has a completely different meaning
> from yours here in the States.

I agree about the LOL! Never thought about that. It has a double-meaning
here too. Lemme rephrase that - she knocked on my door at 3am... ;-)
>>
>
>>>
>>> Stress is what you make of it. There's good stress and there's bad
>>> stress.
>>
>>Give me an example of 'good stress', please?
>
> Children, parties etc.

OK, I'll agree about the 'children' thing.

However, I no longer stress about parties - these days we have 'gets' in
this house, not guests. i.e. if they're not happy with what's served to
them, they are welcome to go into my fridge/pantry/kitchen and 'get it'
themselves...
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Sat 12 Jul 2008 12:38:41p, told us...

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:37:51 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:50:25 +0200, ChattyCathy
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>However, one of the 'amusing' things I remember was getting knocked up
>
> That's an LOL! Getting knocked up has a completely different meaning
> from yours here in the States.

I'm sure there are plenty of folks who do get knocked up at 3:00 a.m.


>>> Stress is what you make of it. There's good stress and there's bad
>>> stress.
>>
>>Give me an example of 'good stress', please?
>
> Children, parties etc.
>
>
>
>



--
Wayne Boatwright
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Saturday, 07(VII)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
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All of life is seven to five against.
--Damon Runyon
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT), John Kane
> wrote:
>
>Clearly you have an excelent organicly powered dishwasher. You just
>need to do read the manual. I would refer you to
>http://www.midlandstech.edu/sbs/pilk...l/218unit3.htm Works with
>pigeons, dogs and spouses. However when using it on spouse do not
>leave manual lying around.
>
Very Good, John. A+


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:28:50 -0700 (PDT), The Ranger
> wrote:

>On Jul 11, 12:12 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> thank god some people are still using drugs.
>
>I wish they'd share...

it would be nice if there was peace in afghanistan, so we could get
some nice hash again.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

In article >, kilikini1
@NOSPAMhotmail.com says...
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
> > ChattyCathy wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> >>
> >
> > The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is
> > that 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would
> > be that high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had one
> > (that I can remember). Probably the other surprise is that for DW
> > folks a two- to three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd have
> > most likely guessed once a day, probably about bedtime (if not after
> > the last meal).
>
> I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let the dishes
> pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy anyway. :~)
>
> kili
>
>
>

I'm the same way. Let it pile up and be worth filling the sink to wash
all the dishes. Plus I have a slight preponderance of items that
wouldn't tolerate a dishwasher that well.