http://www.recfoodcooking.com

Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey

How long has it been!? Amost a year. Tiara, please, mine is
looking tired, I need a new one.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
> How long has it been!? Amost a year. Tiara, please, mine is
> looking tired, I need a new one.
>
> nancy

It's yours!
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:20:45 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
>Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey

What cooking utensils are not dishwasher safe? Black cast iron? Why
not just ask if we prefer to wash your pots and pans by hand? That's
me.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:20:45 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> >
> >Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
> What cooking utensils are not dishwasher safe? Black cast iron? Why
> not just ask if we prefer to wash your pots and pans by hand? That's
> me.

Anodized aluminum doesn't do well with the usual harsh alkaline
dishwasher detergents. You can dishwasher them if you do a separate run
with a more suitable detergent, but hand washing those items is usually
easier. Quality cutlery usually should be hand washed as well.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:44:37 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>sf wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:20:45 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>> >
>> >Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>>
>> What cooking utensils are not dishwasher safe? Black cast iron? Why
>> not just ask if we prefer to wash your pots and pans by hand? That's
>> me.
>
>Anodized aluminum doesn't do well with the usual harsh alkaline
>dishwasher detergents. You can dishwasher them if you do a separate run
>with a more suitable detergent, but hand washing those items is usually
>easier. Quality cutlery usually should be hand washed as well.

Thanks. I do all of the above by hand. Now I know how to respond to
the survey.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:44:37 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>sf wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:20:45 +0200, ChattyCathy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>> >
>>> >Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>>>
>>> What cooking utensils are not dishwasher safe? Black cast iron? Why
>>> not just ask if we prefer to wash your pots and pans by hand? That's
>>> me.
>>
>>Anodized aluminum doesn't do well with the usual harsh alkaline
>>dishwasher detergents. You can dishwasher them if you do a separate run
>>with a more suitable detergent, but hand washing those items is usually
>>easier. Quality cutlery usually should be hand washed as well.
>
> Thanks. I do all of the above by hand. Now I know how to respond to
> the survey.
>
>
You and Kate C need to 'do lunch'...
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>>
>> How long has it been!? Amost a year. Tiara, please, mine is
>> looking tired, I need a new one.

> It's yours!

Thanks! As far as how often I run the dishwasher, usually just
when it's full. That's every 2 or 3 days. It never goes longer
than that, 3 days is pushing it. But sometimes I will run the
dishwasher just because the glasses/cups rack is full, even
though the dishes rack isn't all that full.

I have time-of-day electric rates, so I usually set it to run overnight.

Items that aren't dishwasher safe (knives) are washed after they
are used. Cutting boards, etc. Pots that just take up too much
room in the dishwasher, once in a while they sit overnight, I can't
lie to you. Some dishwashing by hand happens every day.

I cannot abide cleaning with gloves on. I should. I don't.

nancy

ChattyCathy wrote:

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>

The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is that
75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would be that
high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had one (that I can
remember). Probably the other surprise is that for DW folks a two- to
three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd have most likely guessed
once a day, probably about bedtime (if not after the last meal).


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ChattyCathy > wrote in
:

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey

I own one but can't tell you what year I last used it.
(Its for storage mostly or to drip certain items.)
I prefer to wash dishes by hand, always have.

ChattyCathy > wrote in message
...
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey

I'm curious about all those people that run non-dw-safe things
through their dw more than once a day but don't run their dw
more than once a day...

The Ranger

Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> > http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> >
>
> The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is that
> 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would be that
> high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had one (that I can
> remember). Probably the other surprise is that for DW folks a two- to
> three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd have most likely guessed
> once a day, probably about bedtime (if not after the last meal).

A lot of folks have dishwashers, since they aren't that expensive, save
labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
serviceable if not fashionable DW.

As for the run frequency, since you can load items and then close the
door vs. having them sitting in the sink, it's less annoying to let them
sit in there until there is a full load, typically every few days.

On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey

We're using it once a day, but we fill it up with the plastic lunch
dishes an dinner stuff. DH has decided that his morning dish, fork,
knife and coffee pot can be done by hand, along with the knife and
cutting board. so it's just the two meals for the three of us. And
if i get into a cooking frenzy, it doesn't all fit anyhow.

DH does not wear gloves, but I do. I actually have 10 whole nails the
same size at the moment<g>

Tonight, we're trying it without the dryer cycle, to see how that
goes. Otherwise, we'll have to replace the fridge and clothes dryer
to pay for the electricity the dry cycle will use.

DH is happy with his new toy. The dishes are coming out clean, so i'm
happy too.

maxine in ri

Pete C. > wrote:

>labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
>water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
>serviceable if not fashionable DW.

Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.

Steve

ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g561t4$16p$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey

But there's no option for "I have a dish washer, her name is..."

Mark. (My wife better never see this!)

--
While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making
the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short
of deliberate.--V.

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> Pete C. > wrote:
>
> >labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
> >water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
> >serviceable if not fashionable DW.
>
> Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
> residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
> So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
>
> Steve

Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food

Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the portables
provide counter space on top, you can't count them like that.

Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec I've got a
$1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a lot more than that.

On Thu 10 Jul 2008 08:55:31p, Mark P. Nelson told us...

> ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g561t4$16p$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
> But there's no option for "I have a dish washer, her name is..."
>
> Mark. (My wife better never see this!)
>

I also did not see an option under the category of non-dishwasher safe
items that indicated "does not apply".

I don't own or use anything that I can't put in the dishwasher.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Thu 10 Jul 2008 08:55:31p, Mark P. Nelson told us...
>
>> ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g561t4$16p$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>>
>> But there's no option for "I have a dish washer, her name is..."
>>
>> Mark. (My wife better never see this!)
>>
>
> I also did not see an option under the category of non-dishwasher safe
> items that indicated "does not apply".

Thought I put that in there too. Sorry.
>
> I don't own or use anything that I can't put in the dishwasher.
>
I suppose you don't own any clothing that needs ironing either?
<Cathy grins at Wayne>

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

Mark P. Nelson wrote:

> ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g561t4$16p$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
> But there's no option for "I have a dish washer, her name is..."

So wasn't this good enough?

"Does not apply. I don't do the dishes in our house, that's (fill in name)'s
job"
>
> Mark. (My wife better never see this!)
>
True.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:50:01 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is that
>75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would be that
>high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had one (that I can
>remember). Probably the other surprise is that for DW folks a two- to
>three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd have most likely guessed
>once a day, probably about bedtime (if not after the last meal).

When you have kids, the dishwasher is run daily as a rule. It fills
up quickly. However, you might have noticed that there are not very
many posters in rfc who have children living in the house. Going by
the 80/20 rule, 80% of RFC posters either have no children or grown
children who don't live at home, therefore the dishwasher is run every
other day at the most (unless there's a party or guests of some sort,
of course).


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:08:04 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Steve Pope wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>> >labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
>> >water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
>> >serviceable if not fashionable DW.
>>
>> Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
>> residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
>> So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
>>
>> Steve
>
>Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food
>
>Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the portables
>provide counter space on top, you can't count them like that.

He's in an old house, and the kitchen counters may not be 24 inches
deep. That happens a lot around here.
>
>Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec I've got a
>$1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a lot more than that.

You don't live in Berkeley, California either. It's a trade off.
Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating. He made his
choice, you made yours.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:55:31 GMT, "Mark P. Nelson"
> wrote:

>ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g561t4$16p$1
:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>
>But there's no option for "I have a dish washer, her name is..."
>
>Mark. (My wife better never see this!)

Oh, you just reminded me of when we were kids and dishwashers were
just starting to be common in homes. We lived in an ordinary
apartment at a time when no ordinary apartments had one built in. My
sister and I would complain about doing the dishes and tell her that
we should get a dishwasher.... to which she replied, "I have two
dishwashers!" How can you argue with that logic?


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

> When you have kids, the dishwasher is run daily as a rule. It fills
> up quickly. However, you might have noticed that there are not very
> many posters in rfc who have children living in the house. Going by
> the 80/20 rule, 80% of RFC posters either have no children or grown
> children who don't live at home, therefore the dishwasher is run every
> other day at the most (unless there's a party or guests of some sort,
> of course).
>
That's true enough. When the kids are away at college or staying with my ex,
we run the dishwasher once a week. When everyone is homer from school and
staying at our place we run it ever other 1 to 2 days. Last week we had
everyone home along with my daughters boyfriend and step-sons girlfriend
staying with us. We ran the dishwasher 3 times over Saturday and Sunday.

Jon

On Thu 10 Jul 2008 11:45:30p, ChattyCathy told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Thu 10 Jul 2008 08:55:31p, Mark P. Nelson told us...
>>
>>> ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g561t4$16p$1
>>> @registered.motzarella.org:
>>>
>>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>>
>>>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>>>
>>> But there's no option for "I have a dish washer, her name is..."
>>>
>>> Mark. (My wife better never see this!)
>>>
>>
>> I also did not see an option under the category of non-dishwasher safe
>> items that indicated "does not apply".
>
> Thought I put that in there too. Sorry.
>>
>> I don't own or use anything that I can't put in the dishwasher.
>>
> I suppose you don't own any clothing that needs ironing either?
> <Cathy grins at Wayne>
>

Well, I *can* iron. :-) Mom taught me well before I was shipped off to
college, and those were the "preppie" days when button-down oxford and
madras plaid shirts were popular, along with well pressed khakies or
chinos. After I started working, things that required pressing or ironing
went to the dry cleaner/laundry. Working here in Phoenix now is so laid
back and casual, it's usually only the "top brass" or professionals like
attorneys, brokers, etc., that you ever see in a suit, dress shirt, and
tie. At the company I work for, most folks except for the execs wear
slacks or jeans that don't need pressing and knit type shirts like polo
shirts and other pullovers. So, no, I rarely wear much of anything that
needs ironing. I do own dress shirts, but almost never have a reason to
wear them. Those get sent to the laundry. *But*, I'm an expert at doing
laundry and everything is always spotless, and the whites would blind you.
:-) The only things I usually iron are formal tablecloths and napkins.
There's no alternative on things like that.

My reasoning with the dishwasher is that it does a far better washing and
sanitizing job on almost everything than can be done by hand. It's also
uses water more efficiently than filling the sinks with soapy water and
running water for rinsing. Besides, why spend the time?

<I know this was way more information than you wanted to know.> :-)))

--
Wayne Boatwright
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On Fri 11 Jul 2008 12:57:05a, told us...

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:55:31 GMT, "Mark P. Nelson"
> > wrote:
>
>>ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g561t4$16p$1
:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>> Thanks go to Blinky for suggesting this survey
>>
>>But there's no option for "I have a dish washer, her name is..."
>>
>>Mark. (My wife better never see this!)
>
> Oh, you just reminded me of when we were kids and dishwashers were
> just starting to be common in homes. We lived in an ordinary
> apartment at a time when no ordinary apartments had one built in. My
> sister and I would complain about doing the dishes and tell her that
> we should get a dishwasher.... to which she replied, "I have two
> dishwashers!" How can you argue with that logic?

We had a built in dishwasher at home since I was around 5 years old. Even
before I bought all the furniture for my first apartment, I bought a
portable dishwasher. How OCD is that? :-)


--
Wayne Boatwright
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Friday, 07(VII)/11(XI)/08(MMVIII)
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> We had a built in dishwasher at home since I was around 5 years old. Even
> before I bought all the furniture for my first apartment, I bought a
> portable dishwasher. How OCD is that? :-)
>
I've always lived in homes with built in dishwashers, from infancy on
up, although I never saw a portable machine until an adult. Thankfully I
never had to use one as they seem sort of cumbersome? Emptying the
dishwasher was one chore we kids had to perform. With 7 of us, I'm sure
we could have used two dishwashers at a time? I think my mother
mentioned putting a second one in long before they became more common?
I run my dishwasher at least once a day. Full loads but then I also put
most of my pots and pans in also if they fit. If the load is full,
we'll handwash that odd pot or dish at times, just to finish the job
off. Good knives are hand washed, as are wooden cutting boards, but
throwing plastic cutting boards in the dishwasher is the way to go. I
would hate to have a lot of dirty dishes sitting in or around my sink
area until I washed. That alone makes the dishwasher a good thing-dirty
dishes are hidden away. I have a LOT of kitchen ware in multiples so
rarely have to handwash anything just to be able to use it.

On Jul 11, 3:48*am, sf wrote:

> You don't live in Berkeley, California either. *It's a trade off.
> Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating. *He made his
> choice, you made yours.

Depends on your definition of "boring". While I can see the
attractions
of Berkeley, CA, I also value my ability to view wildlife out the back
window. Rabbit courtship is a hoot.

I also value the lack of stimulation provided by being hundreds of
feet
away from my neighbors.

If I want Berkeley-like stimulation, Ann Arbor is a short drive away.

Cindy Hamilton

On Jul 10, 11:01*pm, maxine in ri > wrote:

> DH does not wear gloves, but I do. *I actually have 10 whole nails the
> same size at the moment<g>

I always have 10 nails the same size. I clip 'em short once a week.
Vastly increases the utility of my fingers.

Cindy Hamilton

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>

When I was selling my condo a year ago - my real estate agent told me to
put my dish drainer/rack away.
I had a dishwasher, but I also did a lot of dishes by hand.

I always keep the drainer out. I know some people put theirs away -but
mine is always right next to the sink.

Her argument for putting it away was that people with dishwashers NEVER
wash dishes by hand. If it can fit -she said - it goes in the
dishwasher. She also thought that potential buyers might be put off by
the drainer or think that my dishwasher didn't work.

She also made me put practically everything I owned in storage. It
worked though - the condo sold in two months in a really slow market.

-Tracy
(Renting now...with a dishwasher but I don't use it.)

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>
> The biggest surprise to me, with the first 20 responders tallied, is
> that 75% have dishwashers; I wouldn't have thought that number would
> be that high. But I guess that just reflects that I've never had one
> (that I can remember). Probably the other surprise is that for DW
> folks a two- to three-day wash frequency is pretty common. I'd have
> most likely guessed once a day, probably about bedtime (if not after
> the last meal).

I'm a once a dayer, too. Why waste the water and the soap? Let the dishes
pile up so you can do a sinkfull. That's my philosophy anyway. :~)

kili

Pete C. wrote:
> Steve Pope wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>>> labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
>>> water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
>>> serviceable if not fashionable DW.
>>
>> Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
>> residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
>> So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food
>
> Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the portables
> provide counter space on top, you can't count them like that.
>
> Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec I've
> got a $1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a lot more
> than that.

What if you only have about 3 feet of counter space and you need those
cabinets? Can't put a dishwasher in this house. I'm happy that my husband
is willing to help with the dishes occasionally. That's one chore I can't
stand, honestly.

kili

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> I don't own or use anything that I can't put in the dishwasher.
>>
> I suppose you don't own any clothing that needs ironing either?
> <Cathy grins at Wayne>

I don't!!!!! I don't even own an iron. :~)

kili

Tracy wrote:

> When I was selling my condo a year ago - my real estate agent told me to
> put my dish drainer/rack away.
> I had a dishwasher, but I also did a lot of dishes by hand.
>
> I always keep the drainer out. I know some people put theirs away -but
> mine is always right next to the sink.

I have a small drainer that fits down into the second sink and anything
that gets hand washed goes in to that sink to drain and dry. I hate the
look of messy plastic dish drainers out on top of counters, nor would I
want to lose the usable counter space to one.
I think your Realtor knows what people expect and how they interpret
things.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:08:04 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Steve Pope wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. > wrote:
> >>
> >> >labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
> >> >water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
> >> >serviceable if not fashionable DW.
> >>
> >> Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
> >> residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
> >> So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> >Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food
> >
> >Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the portables
> >provide counter space on top, you can't count them like that.
>
> He's in an old house, and the kitchen counters may not be 24 inches
> deep. That happens a lot around here.
> >
> >Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec I've got a
> >$1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a lot more than that.
>
> You don't live in Berkeley, California either. It's a trade off.

It's not a tradeoff - there is no way in hell I would ever consider
living there.

> Lot's of acres and boring, or no acres and stimulating. He made his
> choice, you made yours.

Nothing boring here, I've got tons of stuff within easy reach, and well
maintained 70mph roads to reach them on.

kilikini wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
> > Steve Pope wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. > wrote:
> >>
> >>> labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use hotter
> >>> water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a perfectly
> >>> serviceable if not fashionable DW.
> >>
> >> Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
> >> residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
> >> So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> > Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food
> >
> > Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the portables
> > provide counter space on top, you can't count them like that.
> >
> > Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec I've
> > got a $1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a lot more
> > than that.
>
> What if you only have about 3 feet of counter space and you need those
> cabinets? Can't put a dishwasher in this house. I'm happy that my husband
> is willing to help with the dishes occasionally. That's one chore I can't
> stand, honestly.
>
> kili

So put a portable DW on the porch outside the kitchen window and toss
the connections in through the window.

Pete C. > wrote:

>kilikini wrote:

>> What if you only have about 3 feet of counter space and you need those
>> cabinets? Can't put a dishwasher in this house. I'm happy that my husband
>> is willing to help with the dishes occasionally. That's one chore I can't
>> stand, honestly.

>So put a portable DW on the porch outside the kitchen window and toss
>the connections in through the window.

Kili's house is as small as mine, IIRC, and there truly
isn't any way to fit in a dishwasher and justify the use
of space. And/or you'd have to place it somewhere so
inconvenient it wouldn't be worth the bother....


S.

Pete C. wrote:
> kilikini wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>> Steve Pope wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> labor, save water and wash better than by hand since they use
>>>>> hotter water than your hands can take. $300 will get you a
>>>>> perfectly serviceable if not fashionable DW.
>>>>
>>>> Footprint of a dishwasher is about 5 square feet. Cost of
>>>> residential property around here is about $500 per square food.
>>>> So that dishwasher requires $2500 worth of space.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Well gee, that's your problem, you're only eating square food
>>>
>>> Since most dishwashers install under counter, and even the portables
>>> provide counter space on top, you can't count them like that.
>>>
>>> Your property there is also *way* too expensive, by that spec I've
>>> got a $1M+ house, and probably with the 4 acres I have, a lot more
>>> than that.
>>
>> What if you only have about 3 feet of counter space and you need
>> those cabinets? Can't put a dishwasher in this house. I'm happy
>> that my husband is willing to help with the dishes occasionally.
>> That's one chore I can't stand, honestly.
>>
>> kili
>
> So put a portable DW on the porch outside the kitchen window and toss
> the connections in through the window.

If I had a kitchen window and/or a porch, that might be do-able. LOL.

kili

Steve Pope wrote:
> Pete C. > wrote:
>
>> kilikini wrote:
>
>>> What if you only have about 3 feet of counter space and you need
>>> those cabinets? Can't put a dishwasher in this house. I'm happy
>>> that my husband is willing to help with the dishes occasionally.
>>> That's one chore I can't stand, honestly.
>
>> So put a portable DW on the porch outside the kitchen window and toss
>> the connections in through the window.
>
> Kili's house is as small as mine, IIRC, and there truly
> isn't any way to fit in a dishwasher and justify the use
> of space. And/or you'd have to place it somewhere so
> inconvenient it wouldn't be worth the bother....
>
>
> S.

Yeah, we've both got tiny little 800 square foot homes. Mine's on a really
small lot, too. I think we own 8 feet of yard on one side, 6 feet on the
other, 12 feet in the front and about 10 feet in the back. We're almost
right along side the road. It still freaks me out when I see someone
walking by because I think they're traipsing through the yard, but they're
actually in the street. :~)

We have no garage, no driveway, and no basement. No pantry, no linen
closet, and no broom closet; just our bedroom closets. Oh, and we only have
4 windows. BUT, I'm just stating facts. In all honesty, I'm not
complaining. You know what? I *LIKE* my little house. Since I've been
sick, it's not difficult to take care of. I have one carpet to vacuum and
only a wooden floor and a tile floor to sweep and wash. We use our spare
bedroom (we have a 2 bedroom 1 bath house) to hold all of our stuff that
we're not immediately using and we shut the door so we don't have to look at
it. It's *literally* the junkyard in there. LOL. Of course, it's starting
to spill out a bit, though, we do need to weed through all the computer
parts that work and don't work - computers are infiltrating our bedroom and
the living room.

kili <------ feeling guilty about the clutter, but TFM® is a PACKRAT!!!!

Goomba > wrote:
> Tracy wrote:
>
> > When I was selling my condo a year ago - my real estate agent told
> > me to put my dish drainer/rack away.
> > I had a dishwasher, but I also did a lot of dishes by hand.
> >
> > I always keep the drainer out. I know some people put theirs away
> > -but mine is always right next to the sink.
>
> I have a small drainer that fits down into the second sink and
> anything that gets hand washed goes in to that sink to drain and dry.
> I hate the look of messy plastic dish drainers out on top of
> counters, nor would I want to lose the usable counter space to one.
> I think your Realtor knows what people expect and how they interpret
> things.

I have a similar drainer (fits in the 2nd sink). Still, I don't agree with
Tracy's realtor that people with dishwashers don't wash dishes by hand.
Maybe the realtor doesn't (or doesn't cook), but most people I know wash
pots & pans and at least their good knives by hand.

Harking back to HGTV (yes, I watch it a lot! LOL), on 'Designed to Sell'
they tell you to get stuff off your kitchen counters, even the microwave if
possible. They're engaged in "staging" to make the property appeal to all
potential buyers. They make people get all the kids toys off the living
room floor, for example. (What ever happened to toy boxes?!) They rearrange
furniture to highlight features in the room, such as the fireplace if there
is one. Stuff like that. But seeing a dish rack on a counter wouldn't be a
deal breaker for me. I can easily imagine the space without it!

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Goomba > wrote:
>> Tracy wrote:
>>
>> > When I was selling my condo a year ago - my real estate agent told
>> > me to put my dish drainer/rack away.
>> > I had a dishwasher, but I also did a lot of dishes by hand.
>> >
>> > I always keep the drainer out. I know some people put theirs away
>> > -but mine is always right next to the sink.
>>
>> I have a small drainer that fits down into the second sink and
>> anything that gets hand washed goes in to that sink to drain and dry.
>> I hate the look of messy plastic dish drainers out on top of
>> counters, nor would I want to lose the usable counter space to one.
>> I think your Realtor knows what people expect and how they interpret
>> things.
>
> I have a similar drainer (fits in the 2nd sink). Still, I don't agree
> with Tracy's realtor that people with dishwashers don't wash dishes by
> hand. Maybe the realtor doesn't (or doesn't cook), but most people I
> know wash pots & pans and at least their good knives by hand.

It was so funny how absolutely serious she was about the drainer. I
don't think she was much of a cook either. She did know her business though.
>
> Harking back to HGTV (yes, I watch it a lot! LOL), on 'Designed to Sell'
> they tell you to get stuff off your kitchen counters, even the microwave
> if possible. They're engaged in "staging" to make the property appeal
> to all potential buyers. They make people get all the kids toys off the
> living room floor, for example. (What ever happened to toy boxes?!)
> They rearrange furniture to highlight features in the room, such as the
> fireplace if there is one. Stuff like that. But seeing a dish rack on
> a counter wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. I can easily imagine the
> space without it!
>
> Jill

I agree now about getting rid of the clutter. Buyers do not want to see
your decorating style - they need to be able to see the possibilities.

Now, I am currently shopping for a new home and when I look at listings
on line - the pictures are comical. Some people don't even bother to
clean! never mind get rid of the clutter. And this for a photo shoot
that will be the primary tool for selling their home!!

-Tracy