Kswck wrote:

>
> Learned on my own.

Same here. Mom and Dad are both pretty good cooks, but I was never very
interested in learning when I lived at home... Then when I got married, I
had to learn fast - I swear I could burn water in those days. However,
although it didn't take me too long to be able to cook food that
was 'edible' in my early years of marriage, it was only much later in life
that I realized how much fun cooking can be - and that you *can* make great
meals at home; i.e. you don't have to go to a 'fancy' restaurant with a
professional chef to have good food. I really enjoy trying to
make 'copy-cat versions' of good meals that I've had in restaurants, or
meals I've seen on some of the cooking shows on TV. I still have the
odd 'flop', but I just laugh it off now - and try again. ;-)
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

cybercat wrote:

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote >
>> There are a lot of things "back then" that seem nicer than now.
>>
>
> We went out to play and ran all around the neighborhood for hours, only
> coming in when it got dusky.

Yep. We could do that too as children, too. Loved it. These days most kids
just get to sit in front of the TV, mainly because it's too darn dangerous
to let them run around the neighborhood for fear of some 'weirdo' attacking
them (or worse) - and it happens in the best neighborhoods too (well, here
at least). In fact, I think a lot of children are 'growing up' far too
quickly these days and IMHO, don't behave like children as we did, i.e.
playing tag, throwing a ball around, riding bikes for fun, etc. When I see
some of the primary school children (especially the girls) 'all dolled-up'
after school hours they look years older than I remember we did at the same
age, and they act it too. I know, I know, I sound like my Mother...
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 13 Jul 2008 09:24:33p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:34:50 -0600, Christine Dabney
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:25:18 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Kswck" > wrote in message
>>> Wish I
>>>>> had watched my grandmother more though. I certainly miss some of her
>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>> What did she make that you miss.
>>>>
>>>> My Russian side Grandmother made a KILLER stuffed Cabbage. Crap see
>>>> what you started? Now I'm going to have to make some.
>>> My paternal grandmother and her sister made the BEST sweet potato pies
>>> that I have ever had. I have tried to duplicate them to no avail.
>>> They had a citrusy flavor to them, besides the regular sweet potato
>>> filling.
>>>
>>> They also made the best rolls ever. Two incredibly good southern
>>> cooks, that didn't measure, and didn't write down what they did... I
>>> wish I had been old and cognizant enough to copy what they did, while
>>> they were still alive.
>>>
>> Yeah. And there were some ingredients that disappeared (from my field
>> if vision, at least) with that generation. My paternal grandmother
>> used to serve the tiniest little peas -- she called them field peas --
>> but nobody I know raises them anymore.
>>
>> Lordy, I did love them so.
>> --
>>
>> modom
>
> Were these tiny little green peas or more like a very small blackeyed pea?
>
Wayne: field peas are also known as "Lady" peas, they're a very tiny
version of crowder peas AFAIK. I like them cooked with a little of the
pea pod snapped and put in the pot. Excellent side dish for about any
meal. You just can't go wrong with any of the southern peas.

On Mon 14 Jul 2008 06:31:04a, George Shirley told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 13 Jul 2008 09:24:33p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:34:50 -0600, Christine Dabney
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:25:18 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Kswck" > wrote in message Wish I
>>>>>> had watched my grandmother more though. I certainly miss some of
her
>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>
>>>>> What did she make that you miss.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Russian side Grandmother made a KILLER stuffed Cabbage. Crap see
>>>>> what you started? Now I'm going to have to make some.
>>>> My paternal grandmother and her sister made the BEST sweet potato pies
>>>> that I have ever had. I have tried to duplicate them to no avail.
>>>> They had a citrusy flavor to them, besides the regular sweet potato
>>>> filling.
>>>>
>>>> They also made the best rolls ever. Two incredibly good southern
>>>> cooks, that didn't measure, and didn't write down what they did... I
>>>> wish I had been old and cognizant enough to copy what they did, while
>>>> they were still alive.
>>>>
>>> Yeah. And there were some ingredients that disappeared (from my field
>>> if vision, at least) with that generation. My paternal grandmother
>>> used to serve the tiniest little peas -- she called them field peas --
>>> but nobody I know raises them anymore.
>>>
>>> Lordy, I did love them so.
>>> --
>>>
>>> modom
>>
>> Were these tiny little green peas or more like a very small blackeyed
pea?
>>
> Wayne: field peas are also known as "Lady" peas, they're a very tiny
> version of crowder peas AFAIK. I like them cooked with a little of the
> pea pod snapped and put in the pot. Excellent side dish for about any
> meal. You just can't go wrong with any of the southern peas.
>
>

Now I remember those, George. It's been decades since I've seen them. :-(

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Monday, 07(VII)/14(XIV)/08(MMVIII)
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When the foolkiller comes around, we'd
better *all* hide in the high grass.
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 14 Jul 2008 06:31:04a, George Shirley told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Sun 13 Jul 2008 09:24:33p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:34:50 -0600, Christine Dabney
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:25:18 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "Kswck" > wrote in message Wish I
>>>>>>> had watched my grandmother more though. I certainly miss some of
> her
>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>> What did she make that you miss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Russian side Grandmother made a KILLER stuffed Cabbage. Crap see
>>>>>> what you started? Now I'm going to have to make some.
>>>>> My paternal grandmother and her sister made the BEST sweet potato pies
>>>>> that I have ever had. I have tried to duplicate them to no avail.
>>>>> They had a citrusy flavor to them, besides the regular sweet potato
>>>>> filling.
>>>>>
>>>>> They also made the best rolls ever. Two incredibly good southern
>>>>> cooks, that didn't measure, and didn't write down what they did... I
>>>>> wish I had been old and cognizant enough to copy what they did, while
>>>>> they were still alive.
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah. And there were some ingredients that disappeared (from my field
>>>> if vision, at least) with that generation. My paternal grandmother
>>>> used to serve the tiniest little peas -- she called them field peas --
>>>> but nobody I know raises them anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Lordy, I did love them so.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> modom
>>> Were these tiny little green peas or more like a very small blackeyed
> pea?
>> Wayne: field peas are also known as "Lady" peas, they're a very tiny
>> version of crowder peas AFAIK. I like them cooked with a little of the
>> pea pod snapped and put in the pot. Excellent side dish for about any
>> meal. You just can't go wrong with any of the southern peas.
>>
>>
>
> Now I remember those, George. It's been decades since I've seen them. :-(
>
Bush's Beans sells some in cans as do East Texas brand, in case you run
up on them. Most supermarkets will bring in a case or two if requested
and see how they sell.

On Mon 14 Jul 2008 01:34:40p, George Shirley told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Mon 14 Jul 2008 06:31:04a, George Shirley told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> On Sun 13 Jul 2008 09:24:33p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:34:50 -0600, Christine Dabney
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:25:18 -0700, "Dimitri"
>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> "Kswck" > wrote in message Wish I had
watched
>>>>>>>> my grandmother more though. I certainly miss some of her meals.
>>>>>>> What did she make that you miss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Russian side Grandmother made a KILLER stuffed Cabbage. Crap
see
>>>>>>> what you started? Now I'm going to have to make some.
>>>>>> My paternal grandmother and her sister made the BEST sweet potato
pies
>>>>>> that I have ever had. I have tried to duplicate them to no avail.
>>>>>> They had a citrusy flavor to them, besides the regular sweet potato
>>>>>> filling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They also made the best rolls ever. Two incredibly good southern
>>>>>> cooks, that didn't measure, and didn't write down what they did...
I
>>>>>> wish I had been old and cognizant enough to copy what they did,
while
>>>>>> they were still alive.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. And there were some ingredients that disappeared (from my
field
>>>>> if vision, at least) with that generation. My paternal grandmother
>>>>> used to serve the tiniest little peas -- she called them field peas
--
>>>>> but nobody I know raises them anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lordy, I did love them so.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> modom
>>>> Were these tiny little green peas or more like a very small blackeyed
>>>> pea?
>>> Wayne: field peas are also known as "Lady" peas, they're a very tiny
>>> version of crowder peas AFAIK. I like them cooked with a little of the
>>> pea pod snapped and put in the pot. Excellent side dish for about any
>>> meal. You just can't go wrong with any of the southern peas.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Now I remember those, George. It's been decades since I've seen them.
:-(
>>
> Bush's Beans sells some in cans as do East Texas brand, in case you run
> up on them. Most supermarkets will bring in a case or two if requested
> and see how they sell.

I've seen Bush's crowder peas, but not the field peas or labeled as "Lady"
peas. The field pieas I remember as a youth didn't seem all that much
smaller, though. Maybe a different variety. My grandmother always grew
blackeyed peas, crowder peas, field peas, and butter beans. I love them
all. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Monday, 07(VII)/14(XIV)/08(MMVIII)
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Life without danger is a waste of oxygen.
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OMG Crowder Peas!

You can call them crowder peas, field peas, whiteacre, whatever.......I
love 'em.

I live in SC and we have them at the farmer's markets in the summertime.
I bought some a couple of weeks ago and was in heaven. I shelled them,
put them on to cook after lunch covered with water and a couple of
slices of bacon. About 3 hours later, I start tasting, adding salt,
water and red pepper flakes. By dinnertime, I've almost had a bowlful.

A side of cukes and onion in vinegar, some fresh corn on the cob, or
fried okra, pan fried cornbread.....I'm fully satisfied.

I'll even eat the leftovers in a bowl with corn chips the next few days
if there's no cornbread left.

I've never been a fan of the frozen ones, but the canned ones will do in
a pinch!

Libby

Kswck wrote:
> Parent, other family member, friend? Or did you have to learn on your own?

My mom says I was helping her cook when I was four years old. I don't
know if she's exaggerating, but I do remember cooking with her when I
was quite small, and she's still my go-to source for how to cook meat
and all my childhood favorites.

> Mom boiled every veggie to death. Figure ALL pork must be cooked in a fry
> pan covered with mustard and sauerkraut, till it's dead, beef so rare it
> would moo and chicken ONLY in a pressure cooker, or Shake-N-Bake.
> (Don't get me started on her soups-she believed food was to keep you
> alive...taste? 'You want that too? Why?').
>
> Learned on my own.

My mom is a wonderful cook, but James's mom was like your mom. It's such
a shame. He didn't have a salad until he was in his 20s.

Serene

--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

Serene Vannoy wrote:
> Kswck wrote:
>> Parent, other family member, friend? Or did you have to learn on your
>> own?
>
> My mom says I was helping her cook when I was four years old. I don't
> know if she's exaggerating, but I do remember cooking with her when I
> was quite small, and she's still my go-to source for how to cook meat
> and all my childhood favorites.
>
>> Mom boiled every veggie to death. Figure ALL pork must be cooked in a
>> fry pan covered with mustard and sauerkraut, till it's dead, beef so
>> rare it would moo and chicken ONLY in a pressure cooker, or Shake-N-Bake.
>> (Don't get me started on her soups-she believed food was to keep you
>> alive...taste? 'You want that too? Why?').
>>
>> Learned on my own.
>
> My mom is a wonderful cook, but James's mom was like your mom. It's such
> a shame. He didn't have a salad until he was in his 20s.
>
> Serene
>
My mother was that way. She was born in 1905 and her mother was born in
1862. Both learned to cook in a fireplace, and later in coal or wood
stoves. All meat cooked until it was more charcoal than anything else,
all veggies boiled for at least ten minutes, no salads, only store
bought white bread, very little fruit. Although, in all fairness, where
I grew up we had kumquats, satsumas, pears, and berries. Bananas came on
a boat and Dad would buy a whole stalk that would be kept in a closet so
they wouldn't all ripen at once. Apples, oranges, and nuts were only at
Christmas.

I probably ate more velvet cake and lemon meringue pie growing up than
most people ever did, that was all the desserts Mom knew how to cook
other than Jello. She would rarely make biscuits and then they weren't
very good. Don't remember ever eating pasta of any kind as a kid. No
cabbage, broccoli, or cauliflower ever.

May have been a combination of the times (forties and fifties) and Mom's
hard upbringing as a migrant farm worker when they weren't living with
relatives on the Rez.

Learned to eat all kinds of veggies, pastas, etc. when I married my
lovely wife. Learned to cook from my Dad, campfire style in Dutch ovens,
all cast iron stuff. Later taught myself to cook lots of regional foods
from the parts of the world wife and I lived in. Worked as a teenager in
my Grandmother's (Dad's Mom)cafes, mostly fried stuff, burgers, malts,
etc. Really didn't start to enjoy food for the flavor and texture until
I was in my forties. Food was mostly fuel so you could keep on working
and walking. Now I cook most meals at our home and enjoy having friends
over for meals on occasion.

Beer Drinking Dog wrote:

> Other more recent influences have been Alton Brown, Mario Batali, Ming
> Tsai, and Lynne Rossetto Kasper.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the TV cooks who made a difference to me.
Mostly the Frug -- my mom and I used to watch him together, and we loved
him, but we also watched a lot of Martin Yan and other folks. Not
everything they taught was great, but it was enjoyable to watch, and it
fueled our desire to try to cook new things. We made Peking Duck
together because of the Frug, for instance.

Serene
--
"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

"Kswck" > wrote in message
...
> Parent, other family member, friend? Or did you have to learn on your own?
>
> Mom boiled every veggie to death. Figure ALL pork must be cooked in a fry
> pan covered with mustard and sauerkraut, till it's dead, beef so rare it
> would moo and chicken ONLY in a pressure cooker, or Shake-N-Bake.
> (Don't get me started on her soups-she believed food was to keep you
> alive...taste? 'You want that too? Why?').
>
> Learned on my own.

The very basics, my Mom. There were 5 of us kids, and all 3 of my sisters
were picky eaters, and my Dad wasn't very adventurous in eating, so Mom kind
of lost interest in cooking. I loved it, and everyone ate what I made
because Mom wasn't cooking much any more, and I didn't make a separate meal
for each person.

After learning basics from Mom, Justin Wilson, Jeff Smith, Julia Child, and
probably a couple of others taught me more. The "Cookin' Cajun" taught me
that most things don't need to be measured precisely and you don't really
need a recipe. Julia taught me that when you're baking, you *do* need to
measure carefully and mostly follow recipes.

Justin probably got me more interested in grilling, which led to my
obsession with cooking BBQ.

BOB

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> Christine Dabney said...
>
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:39:11 -0400, "Kswck" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Parent, other family member, friend? Or did you have to learn on your
> own?
>>
>> I have been reading other replies to this and I have to say like some
>> folks here, I come from a rich food heritage. No, it wasn't the deep
>> south, but growing up in Virginia still gave me that rich southern
>> heritage.
>>
>> I learned mostly from my mother, although I gained a lot from my
>> southern grandparents and family by osmosis. My mother raised three
>> daughters by herself, from the time I was a baby. And she worked
>> full time, and had to deal with me being in the hospital for a
>> prolonged time. Even with all of that, she came home and put dinner
>> on the table every night. Money was short, as my father wasn't giving
>> any child support for us, but we still ate well.
>>
>> I didn't really get involved in cooking til I came home after 2 years
>> in the hospital..when I was about 6. My memories after that often
>> revolve around the kitchen: making pancakes, helping to knead bread,
>> and pouring even then through what cookbooks we had. I think it was
>> the checkered one, whichever one that was.
>>
>> I can remember a lot of things from those years. My mother making
>> soup in this funny kettle thing that was a part of the stove we had.
>> Making chicken soup from a chicken that was freshly killed...and
>> unlaid eggs were still inside the chicken. I can remember the soup to
>> this day.
>>
>> I was expected to help with cooking ever since I can remember. I was
>> the only one of my family to really take to it... I paid attention to
>> what my mother made, and there weren't many things to which I turned
>> up my nose.
>>
>> I can remember helping my mother make fruitcake...and it gradually
>> evolved over the years to where I was the fruitcake baker in the
>> family.
>>
>> My mother also taught me to bake bread. She made it every week and by
>> the time I was in my late teens I could do it on my own. And by the
>> time I was in high school, I was coming home and starting dinner on
>> many days.
>>
>> By the time I was in my last years of high school, the Foods of the
>> World series by Time-Life was starting to be published. I saw
>> advertisements for them and I begged and begged my mother to let me
>> get those. I think those (after the JOC) started my lifelong cookbook
>> collecting. And by the time I went away to nursing school, those
>> books had been arriving in the mail for several months. I started
>> cooking a few things from those at home.
>>
>> When I went away to nursing school...there wasn't much opportunity to
>> do any cooking. However I was exposed to new worlds of food...and I
>> would come home to visit and eat and cook then. After nursing
>> school, I started cooking and baking in earnest... and by that time, I
>> was starting to teach my mother some of the things I learned.
>>
>> After that, I started collecting more and more cookbooks and learning
>> from them. By the time I was 25, I had been exposed to Julia Child's
>> books (some of them) and was really starting to branch out.. I
>> started becoming really adventurous then with all I was discovering.
>> And in my late 20s, the series The Good Cook started appearing..and I
>> really started expanding my food knowledge.
>>
>> Now, I still learn. I have been lucky to have lived in one of the
>> great food meccas of the US (northern California) and that influenced
>> me profoundly. It still does... And now I find myself going back
>> and learning more and more about my southern heritage...and relearning
>> to cook some of the foods I grew up with... this time from food
>> forums, and books.
>>
>> Christine
>
>
> GREAT food story!!!
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Andy

Indeed.

"kilikini" > wrote in message
. com...
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sat 12 Jul 2008 09:14:35p, hahabogus told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
>>> 6.120:
>>>
>>>> My dad was master of the great behemoth of a stone barbecue he had
>>>> built back in the 1950s. It was a huge thing that he burned hickory
>>>> logs in. He also made great oatmeal. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> My mom was a great cook...so I liked food...Myh ex couldn't cook to
>>> save her soul, I liked food therefore I learned to cook.
>>
>> My mom was a great cook, too, and I learned a lot from her.
>>
>
> My mom wasn't a great cook, but she got us interested in cooking by the
> time we were about 3. She could bake, though. We always helped with
> cookies or cakes (she always cooked from scratch) and she made it fun by
> letting us lick the bowl or the mixers after we helped. Oh, and she used
> to make all kinds of puddings and custards - dang, the memories!
>
> She served typical dinners, though. Meatloaf, chop suey, chicken
> cacciatore, chicken noel, fried cod, and the ever-famous tuna noodle
> casserole. My dad, every Sunday, rain or shine, snow or sleet, grilled on
> Sundays. It could be -36F outside, and my dad would be grilling.


Steak always tastes better in a snowstorm.
Cook out during a snowstorm and every person that walks by, walking the dog,
will say 'Damn that smells good'.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>> Let's face it, they did what they had to do to feed the family.
>> In the end, that's what matters.
>>
>
> Yep. My mother's mother served some type of potatoes most nights
> as a main dish, since meat was scarce. Mom talked about the horrors
> of oleo, the big white tub of lard with the yellow coloring to mix in. She
> had to have real butter as a result, all her life. And she hoarded and hid
> sweets. Of course, that may also be because my oldest sister hoovered
> up everything.
>

I may get chewed up for this, but I remember being told that Oleo was 'more
healthy' than butter. And butter would clog up you arteries and cause heart
attacks.
I never saw actual butter till I started cooking for myself. Since
then...butter only.

Kswck > wrote:

>
>"cybercat" > wrote in message
>I may get chewed up for this, but I remember being told that Oleo was 'more
>healthy' than butter. And butter would clog up you arteries and cause heart
>attacks.


From the same people who told you to drink 8 glasses of water
per day.

Steve

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Kswck" > wrote:
>
>> Parent, other family member, friend? Or did you have to learn on your
>> own?
>>
>> Mom boiled every veggie to death. Figure ALL pork must be cooked in a fry
>> pan covered with mustard and sauerkraut, till it's dead, beef so rare it
>> would moo and chicken ONLY in a pressure cooker, or Shake-N-Bake.
>> (Don't get me started on her soups-she believed food was to keep you
>> alive...taste? 'You want that too? Why?').
>>
>> Learned on my own.
>
> Your mom sounds a lot like my mom. My mom used to cook vegetables either
> barely cooked or burnt and everything was either canned or frozen;
> rarely fresh. Main courses ranged from overdone baked chicken to boiled
> steak. My mom never liked to cook, and the results showed it. When my
> dad wasn't home for dinner, my mom always ordered pizza for delivery or
> she took me and my sister out to eat.
>

We used to have a stupidmarket called ShopRite (it's still around, but not
in my area). Mom believed that when they had their 'Can-Can' sale, you
should buy every can of sauce, veggies, etc you could get your hands on-even
if you didn't need it.
I remember Mom going to visit a friend for a month or so. Dad and I refused
to acutally buy anything other than milk (for his coffee-I never drank it)
for the entire time she was gone. We were to use ONLY all those cans she
bought and whatever was in the cabinets.
After a month or so, dinner was nothing more than canned tomaotes and pasta.

AND she was ****ed that all her cans were gone when she came home-and the
process started all over again after a new 'Can-Can' sale.

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Kswck > wrote:
>
>>
>>"cybercat" > wrote in message
>>I may get chewed up for this, but I remember being told that Oleo was
>>'more
>>healthy' than butter. And butter would clog up you arteries and cause
>>heart
>>attacks.
>
>
> From the same people who told you to drink 8 glasses of water
> per day.
>
> Steve

Apparently so.

Kswck wrote:

> We used to have a stupidmarket called ShopRite (it's still around,
> but not in my area). Mom believed that when they had their 'Can-Can'
> sale, you should buy every can of sauce, veggies, etc you could get
> your hands on-even if you didn't need it.

They still run that ad every year, the one that finishes up

Stock up while the value's less!!

I think Better you should wait until the value is more, no?

nancy

On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:29:01p, Kswck told us...

>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>
>>> Let's face it, they did what they had to do to feed the family.
>>> In the end, that's what matters.
>>>
>>
>> Yep. My mother's mother served some type of potatoes most nights
>> as a main dish, since meat was scarce. Mom talked about the horrors
>> of oleo, the big white tub of lard with the yellow coloring to mix in.
>> She had to have real butter as a result, all her life. And she hoarded
>> and hid sweets. Of course, that may also be because my oldest sister
>> hoovered up everything.
>>
>
> I may get chewed up for this, but I remember being told that Oleo was
> 'more healthy' than butter. And butter would clog up you arteries and
> cause heart attacks.
> I never saw actual butter till I started cooking for myself. Since
> then...butter only.

Almost everyone was told that at some time or other.

I use butter at home, but I also use a canola-oil margarine that is neither
hydrgenated nor has transfats.



--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wednesday, 07(VII)/16(XVI)/08(MMVIII)
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42! Is that all you've got to show for
7 and a 1/2 million yrs' work?
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On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:36:38p, Kswck told us...

>
> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Kswck" > wrote:
>>
>>> Parent, other family member, friend? Or did you have to learn on your
>>> own?
>>>
>>> Mom boiled every veggie to death. Figure ALL pork must be cooked in a
>>> fry pan covered with mustard and sauerkraut, till it's dead, beef so
>>> rare it would moo and chicken ONLY in a pressure cooker, or
>>> Shake-N-Bake. (Don't get me started on her soups-she believed food was
>>> to keep you alive...taste? 'You want that too? Why?').
>>>
>>> Learned on my own.
>>
>> Your mom sounds a lot like my mom. My mom used to cook vegetables
>> either barely cooked or burnt and everything was either canned or
>> frozen; rarely fresh. Main courses ranged from overdone baked chicken
>> to boiled steak. My mom never liked to cook, and the results showed it.
>> When my dad wasn't home for dinner, my mom always ordered pizza for
>> delivery or she took me and my sister out to eat.
>>
>
> We used to have a stupidmarket called ShopRite (it's still around, but
> not in my area). Mom believed that when they had their 'Can-Can' sale,
> you should buy every can of sauce, veggies, etc you could get your hands
> on-even if you didn't need it.
> I remember Mom going to visit a friend for a month or so. Dad and I
> refused to acutally buy anything other than milk (for his coffee-I never
> drank it) for the entire time she was gone. We were to use ONLY all
> those cans she bought and whatever was in the cabinets.
> After a month or so, dinner was nothing more than canned tomaotes and
> pasta.
>
> AND she was ****ed that all her cans were gone when she came home-and
> the process started all over again after a new 'Can-Can' sale.
>
>
>

UGH!

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Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:36:38p, Kswck told us...
>
>> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message

>> We used to have a stupidmarket called ShopRite (it's still around, but
>> not in my area). Mom believed that when they had their 'Can-Can' sale,
>> you should buy every can of sauce, veggies, etc you could get your hands
>> on-even if you didn't need it.
>> I remember Mom going to visit a friend for a month or so. Dad and I
>> refused to acutally buy anything other than milk (for his coffee-I never
>> drank it) for the entire time she was gone. We were to use ONLY all
>> those cans she bought and whatever was in the cabinets.
>> After a month or so, dinner was nothing more than canned tomaotes and
>> pasta.
>>
>> AND she was ****ed that all her cans were gone when she came home-and
>> the process started all over again after a new 'Can-Can' sale.
>>
>>
>>
>
> UGH!
>

What UGH!? I did the same thing when I lived in Jersey. The Can-Can sale
was in January and I'd stock up on the little cans of tomato sauce,
tomato paste, canned pineapple, etc. that I used all year long. Saved
money, not counting the time one of my girls got mad at me and tore off
all the labels.

I would grab a can open it and "design" a meal around whatever was in
it. Hey! wouldn't that be a good idea for a cooking reality show? Kind
of like Iron Chef, but for the masses.
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Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Wed 16 Jul 2008 07:55:11p, Janet Wilder told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:36:38p, Kswck told us...
>>
>>> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
>
>>> We used to have a stupidmarket called ShopRite (it's still around, but
>>> not in my area). Mom believed that when they had their 'Can-Can' sale,
>>> you should buy every can of sauce, veggies, etc you could get your
hands
>>> on-even if you didn't need it.
>>> I remember Mom going to visit a friend for a month or so. Dad and I
>>> refused to acutally buy anything other than milk (for his coffee-I
never
>>> drank it) for the entire time she was gone. We were to use ONLY all
>>> those cans she bought and whatever was in the cabinets.
>>> After a month or so, dinner was nothing more than canned tomaotes and
>>> pasta.
>>>
>>> AND she was ****ed that all her cans were gone when she came home-and
>>> the process started all over again after a new 'Can-Can' sale.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> UGH!
>>
>
> What UGH!? I did the same thing when I lived in Jersey. The Can-Can sale
> was in January and I'd stock up on the little cans of tomato sauce,
> tomato paste, canned pineapple, etc. that I used all year long. Saved
> money, not counting the time one of my girls got mad at me and tore off
> all the labels.
>
> I would grab a can open it and "design" a meal around whatever was in
> it. Hey! wouldn't that be a good idea for a cooking reality show? Kind
> of like Iron Chef, but for the masses.

I was picture shelves full of canned vegetables and fruits, which I loathe,
with the exception of canned pineapple, and of course the tomato products.
The other stuff I simply wouldn't eat.

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Wayne Boatwright
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Wednesday, 07(VII)/16(XVI)/08(MMVIII)
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Too late now to count the cost.
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Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> I would grab a can open it and "design" a meal around whatever was in
> it. Hey! wouldn't that be a good idea for a cooking reality show? Kind
> of like Iron Chef, but for the masses.

Yeah, get Shop Rite to sponsor it.

Dimitri wrote:
>
> "Kswck" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Parent, other family member, friend? Or did you have to learn on your
>> own?
>>
>> Mom boiled every veggie to death. Figure ALL pork must be cooked in a
>> fry pan covered with mustard and sauerkraut, till it's dead, beef so
>> rare it would moo and chicken ONLY in a pressure cooker, or Shake-N-Bake.
>> (Don't get me started on her soups-she believed food was to keep you
>> alive...taste? 'You want that too? Why?').
>>
>> Learned on my own.
>
> Graham Kerr

Oh, yeah, Graham Kerr. We watched him a lot.

Serene

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"I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:33:21 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Kswck > wrote:
>
>>
>>"cybercat" > wrote in message
>>I may get chewed up for this, but I remember being told that Oleo was 'more
>>healthy' than butter. And butter would clog up you arteries and cause heart
>>attacks.
>
>
>From the same people who told you to drink 8 glasses of water
>per day.
>
>Steve

crap. i thought it was eat eight cups of oleo.

your pal,
blake
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Cheryl wrote:
> On Wed 16 Jul 2008 10:55:11p, Janet Wilder wrote in
> rec.food.cooking > :
>
>> What UGH!? I did the same thing when I lived in Jersey. The
>> Can-Can sale was in January and I'd stock up on the little cans
>> of tomato sauce, tomato paste, canned pineapple, etc. that I
>> used all year long. Saved money, not counting the time one of my
>> girls got mad at me and tore off all the labels.
>>
>> I would grab a can open it and "design" a meal around whatever
>> was in it. Hey! wouldn't that be a good idea for a cooking
>> reality show? Kind of like Iron Chef, but for the masses.
>
> That's hysterical! I hope you didn't have any pets eating canned
> food. Can you make dinner with Fancy Feast Chopped Grill flavor? :O
>

The pets ate dry food, but that would be really funny if they ate canned
food.

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Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life