Miche wrote:
>
> Edible honey has been taken out of Egyptian tombs that are thousands of
> years old.

Here's the origin of that story:

"Abd el-Latif relates that an Egyptian worthy of belief
told him that once when he and several others were
occupied in exploring the graves and seeking for
treasure near the Pyramids, they came across a sealed
jar, and having opened it and found that it contained
honey, they began to eat it. Some one in the party
remarked that a hair in the honey turned round one of
the fingers of the man who was dipping his bread in it,
and as they drew it out the body of a small child
appeared with all its limbs complete and in a good
state of preservation; it was well dressed, and had
upon it numerous ornaments."

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/cannibal/honey.asp

Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
> >> >> sugar,
> >> >> etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when young,
> >> >> their
> >> >> baby food was home made veggies and they are the most wonderful
> >> >> advntuous
> >> >> eaters. I'm sure that is why.

Miche

But are they as smart as they could be? See:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...easugar113.xml

pflu

Woolstitcher wrote:

> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey, sugar,
> etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when young, their
> baby food was home made veggies and they are the most wonderful advntuous
> eaters. I'm sure that is why.

Probably not. My kids were not given sweets when they were young,
either, and one of them is a very adventurous eater, and one is one of
the most picky people I have ever met, foodwise.

Serene
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On Jul 13, 2:36*am, Miche > wrote:
> It's right there above what I posted -- "Raw honey has bacteria
> (botulism) that a baby can't deal with."
>
> So does "not raw" honey.

Isn't all honey "raw"?

Or can you get processed honey and is it "pastuerized" and ok then for
babies?

tbt, I think I gave my kid honey when she was little. I don't think I
knew that there could be problems. There wasn't any problems, but
thank goodness for that, I guess.

Karen

"Karen" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 13, 2:36 am, Miche > wrote:
> It's right there above what I posted -- "Raw honey has bacteria
> (botulism) that a baby can't deal with."
>
> So does "not raw" honey.

Isn't all honey "raw"?

No, store bought honey is processed w/ heat.

Or can you get processed honey and is it "pastuerized" and ok then for
babies?

tbt, I think I gave my kid honey when she was little. I don't think I
knew that there could be problems. There wasn't any problems, but
thank goodness for that, I guess.

Karen

I think the no honey for babies is something that has come up in the last 15
to 20 yrs.

"Phluge" > wrote in message
...
> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
>> >> >> sugar,
>> >> >> etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when young,
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> baby food was home made veggies and they are the most wonderful
>> >> >> advntuous
>> >> >> eaters. I'm sure that is why.
>
> Miche
>
> But are they as smart as they could be? See:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...easugar113.xml
>
> pflu
>
>

Well, I have one that is skipping a grade this year and another that is
reading 3 yrs above her grade level ... I think I'm doing ok.

Woolstitcher wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
> news
>> Woolstitcher wrote:
>>
>>> ohhhh baby mine. )
>>> This week my CSA offered organic raw honey. It's amazing. Simply amazing.
>>> I have never had raw honey before ... Tonight I put a small drizzle over
>>> my
>>> corn flake chicken and was in heaven.
>>> So, any ideas on the best way to use raw honey? Unfortunately I have to
>>> be
>>> reasonable about it, medical problems cause me to limit sugars and carbs.
>>
>> Grilled peanut butter and honey sandwich. (Or just PB and honey on nicely
>> buttered toast.)
>>
>
> I thought my grandmother was the only person that made grilled peanut
> butter! When I tell people about it they look at me like I'm crazy.

While this does not necessarily mean it's a grandma recipe, I did grow up
in a three-generation home; my maternal grandmother lived with us (as did
grandpa, but he died when I was four).


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Karen wrote:
>
> On Jul 13, 2:36 am, Miche > wrote:
> > It's right there above what I posted -- "Raw honey has bacteria
> > (botulism) that a baby can't deal with."
> >
> > So does "not raw" honey.
>
> Isn't all honey "raw"?

No, most honey is heated to make it pass through
filters more easily and dissolve seed crystals
to slow down crystallization.

> Or can you get processed honey and is it "pastuerized" and ok then for
> babies?

Temperatures and pressures used to process honey
are nowhere near high enough to reliably kill
botulism spores.

> tbt, I think I gave my kid honey when she was little. I don't think I
> knew that there could be problems. There wasn't any problems, but
> thank goodness for that, I guess.

It doesn't happen often enough to have been
easily recognized. I believe the first warnings
to the public about the hazard didn't occur
until the 1970's.

Mark Thorson wrote:

> Karen wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2:36 am, Miche > wrote:
>> > It's right there above what I posted -- "Raw honey has bacteria
>> > (botulism) that a baby can't deal with."
>> >
>> > So does "not raw" honey.
>>
>> Isn't all honey "raw"?
>
> No, most honey is heated to make it pass through
> filters more easily and dissolve seed crystals
> to slow down crystallization.

"RAW: This is unheated honey that has been removed from the comb. It may
contain bits of wax, insect parts and other small detritus."

For a while when I was a yoot, my mom had me eating honey comb (yes, full
of honey <g>) as a deterrrent to hay fever or something. As I recall, the
wax would become flaky and kind of unpleasant, but if I chewed gum along
with the honey comb, it collected on and in the gum, and made a less
unpleasant ball.

On honey grading (something I never thought to ask about until I started
reading this thread, and the source of the above quote):

http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/iid2.html


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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>> Karen wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2:36 am, Miche > wrote:
>>> > It's right there above what I posted -- "Raw honey has bacteria
>>> > (botulism) that a baby can't deal with."
>>> >
>>> > So does "not raw" honey.
>>>
>>> Isn't all honey "raw"?
>>
>> No, most honey is heated to make it pass through
>> filters more easily and dissolve seed crystals
>> to slow down crystallization.
>
> "RAW: This is unheated honey that has been removed from the comb. It may
> contain bits of wax, insect parts and other small detritus."
>
> For a while when I was a yoot, my mom had me eating honey comb (yes, full
> of honey <g>) as a deterrrent to hay fever or something. As I recall, the
> wax would become flaky and kind of unpleasant, but if I chewed gum along
> with the honey comb, it collected on and in the gum, and made a less
> unpleasant ball.
>
> On honey grading (something I never thought to ask about until I started
> reading this thread, and the source of the above quote):
>
> http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/iid2.html

Further reading there shows, "Much of the honey sold in supermarkets has
been blended from a variety of different honeys and some may have even had
other sweeteners added as well." Oh, great -- sweetened honey!


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my uncle raised honey for a bunch of years he said it would grow hair;
he was bald

"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
...
> Woolstitcher wrote:
>
>> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
>> sugar, etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when young,
>> their baby food was home made veggies and they are the most wonderful
>> advntuous eaters. I'm sure that is why.
>
> Probably not.

Probably. Picky eaters are made, not born. *I* am a picky eater, I have
been for my whole life. I'm not as bad as I used to be, but I'm still not
where I would like to be. I'm working on it. I'm sure it is because my
parents gave us junk and had weird food issues. I have chosen not to pass
that along to my children. And I have.




My kids were not given sweets when they were young,
> either, and one of them is a very adventurous eater, and one is one of the
> most picky people I have ever met, foodwise.
>
> Serene
> --
> "I think I have an umami receptor that has developed sentience." -- Stef

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:16:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sat 12 Jul 2008 06:23:37p, Woolstitcher told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 6.120...
>>> On Sat 12 Jul 2008 05:43:56p, Billy told us...
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:29:56 -0400, "Woolstitcher"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>ohhhh baby mine. )
>>>>
>>>> Don't give it to your baby. You didn't know that?
>>>
>>> Why? Will the bees come and carry it off? Sort of like the flying
>>> monkeys and Toto?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
>> sugar, etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when
>> young, their baby food was home made veggies and they are the most
>> wonderful advntuous eaters. I'm sure that is why.
>> However w/ babies and honey (raw or not) it's dangerous. Especially raw
>> honey. Raw honey has bacteria (botulism) that a baby can't deal with.
>> An adult has no problem but it can kill a baby. Also, if the baby has
>> an unknown bee allergy the reaction can be so bad that the baby may die.
>> There is lots of information about babies and honey on the net, this is
>> just a little info I found:
>>
>> o Infant botulism is a form of paralysis that results from the blockage
>> of nerve impulse transmission by the toxin of a microorganism named
>> Clostridium botulinum.
>>
>> o Infant botulism is a serious disease that may strike some infants
>> under one year of age. After ingestion, C. botulinum spores can
>> germinate and grow in the lower bowel of some very young infants.
>>
>> o Newborn babies have no intestinal microflora and thus apparently are
>> susceptible to C. botulinum infection until their intestinal microflora
>> develop (during the first few months after birth).
>>
>> o Healthy children and adults with normal intestinal microflora are
>> resistant to intestinal botulism and are able to ingest botulinum spores
>> without harm.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Thanks, I didn't know that. I've never had children.

if you do, don't baste them with honey.

your pal,
blake
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
> Further reading there shows, "Much of the honey sold in supermarkets has
> been blended from a variety of different honeys and some may have even had
> other sweeteners added as well." Oh, great -- sweetened honey!

I don't know the current status, but when I was
a beekeeper this would have been illegal anywhere
in the U.S. A strong honey lobby kept it so.

Today the U.S. honey industry has been devastated
by colony collapse and new parasites, and we have
large honey imports from China and elsewhere.
Some forms of adulteration would be difficult to
detect, such as adding sugars identical to those
normally found in honey. Not that the Chinese
would even think of doing that, of course. :-)

In article
>,
Karen > wrote:

> On Jul 13, 2:36*am, Miche > wrote:
> > It's right there above what I posted -- "Raw honey has bacteria
> > (botulism) that a baby can't deal with."
> >
> > So does "not raw" honey.
>
> Isn't all honey "raw"?

I was confused about that but decided to give the benefit of the doubt,
as I don't know how honey is processed in the USA.

> Or can you get processed honey and is it "pastuerized" and ok then for
> babies?

No idea. I wouldn't give any honey to babies.

> tbt, I think I gave my kid honey when she was little. I don't think I
> knew that there could be problems. There wasn't any problems, but
> thank goodness for that, I guess.

Yeah.

Miche

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In article >,
"Phluge" > wrote:

> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
> > >> >> sugar,
> > >> >> etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when young,
> > >> >> their
> > >> >> baby food was home made veggies and they are the most wonderful
> > >> >> advntuous
> > >> >> eaters. I'm sure that is why.
>
> Miche

Except I didn't say anything you quoted.

Miche

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Mark Thorson wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>
>> Further reading there shows, "Much of the honey sold in supermarkets has
>> been blended from a variety of different honeys and some may have even had
>> other sweeteners added as well." Oh, great -- sweetened honey!
>
> I don't know the current status, but when I was
> a beekeeper this would have been illegal anywhere
> in the U.S. A strong honey lobby kept it so.
>
> Today the U.S. honey industry has been devastated
> by colony collapse and new parasites, and we have
> large honey imports from China and elsewhere.
> Some forms of adulteration would be difficult to
> detect, such as adding sugars identical to those
> normally found in honey. Not that the Chinese
> would even think of doing that, of course. :-)

I think they'd just add lead.

But when it's in your pencil, that's good for your honey...


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Miche wrote:

> In article >,
> "Phluge" > wrote:
>
>> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
>> > >> >> sugar,
>> > >> >> etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when young,
>> > >> >> their
>> > >> >> baby food was home made veggies and they are the most wonderful
>> > >> >> advntuous
>> > >> >> eaters. I'm sure that is why.
>>
>> Miche
>
> Except I didn't say anything you quoted.

That's kind of like ringing the doorbell and running, at least for those
of us who have configured our news clients to highlight direct replies to
our posts. In a word: rude.


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wrote:
>Get some whole-milk plain yogurt.
>Drizzle honey over the top.
>Stir it in.
>Eat it.
>Die and go to heaven, or at least feel like you have.

I tried combining some raw vanilla flavored honey with thick Greek
yogurt and found the result didn't quite work for me. I was looking
forward to it too.

Orlando

"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Phluge" > wrote:
>
>> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
>> > >> >> sugar,
>> > >> >> etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when
>> > >> >> young,
>> > >> >> their
>> > >> >> baby food was home made veggies and they are the most wonderful
>> > >> >> advntuous
>> > >> >> eaters. I'm sure that is why.
>>
>> Miche
>
> Except I didn't say anything you quoted.
>
> Miche
>
> --
> Electricians do it in three phases

lol, stupid is as stupid does.

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:16:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat 12 Jul 2008 06:23:37p, Woolstitcher told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 6.120...
>>>> On Sat 12 Jul 2008 05:43:56p, Billy told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:29:56 -0400, "Woolstitcher"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>ohhhh baby mine. )
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't give it to your baby. You didn't know that?
>>>>
>>>> Why? Will the bees come and carry it off? Sort of like the flying
>>>> monkeys and Toto?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
>>> sugar, etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when
>>> young, their baby food was home made veggies and they are the most
>>> wonderful advntuous eaters. I'm sure that is why.
>>> However w/ babies and honey (raw or not) it's dangerous. Especially raw
>>> honey. Raw honey has bacteria (botulism) that a baby can't deal with.
>>> An adult has no problem but it can kill a baby. Also, if the baby has
>>> an unknown bee allergy the reaction can be so bad that the baby may die.
>>> There is lots of information about babies and honey on the net, this is
>>> just a little info I found:
>>>
>>> o Infant botulism is a form of paralysis that results from the blockage
>>> of nerve impulse transmission by the toxin of a microorganism named
>>> Clostridium botulinum.
>>>
>>> o Infant botulism is a serious disease that may strike some infants
>>> under one year of age. After ingestion, C. botulinum spores can
>>> germinate and grow in the lower bowel of some very young infants.
>>>
>>> o Newborn babies have no intestinal microflora and thus apparently are
>>> susceptible to C. botulinum infection until their intestinal microflora
>>> develop (during the first few months after birth).
>>>
>>> o Healthy children and adults with normal intestinal microflora are
>>> resistant to intestinal botulism and are able to ingest botulinum spores
>>> without harm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Thanks, I didn't know that. I've never had children.
>
> if you do, don't baste them with honey.
>
> your pal,
> blake
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

lol, but it makes them soooooooo much sweeter!

On Sun 13 Jul 2008 12:58:53p, blake murphy told us...

> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:16:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat 12 Jul 2008 06:23:37p, Woolstitcher told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 6.120...
>>>> On Sat 12 Jul 2008 05:43:56p, Billy told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:29:56 -0400, "Woolstitcher"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>ohhhh baby mine. )
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't give it to your baby. You didn't know that?
>>>>
>>>> Why? Will the bees come and carry it off? Sort of like the flying
>>>> monkeys and Toto?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
>>> sugar, etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when
>>> young, their baby food was home made veggies and they are the most
>>> wonderful advntuous eaters. I'm sure that is why. However w/ babies
and
>>> honey (raw or not) it's dangerous. Especially raw honey. Raw honey
has
>>> bacteria (botulism) that a baby can't deal with. An adult has no
problem
>>> but it can kill a baby. Also, if the baby has an unknown bee allergy
>>> the reaction can be so bad that the baby may die. There is lots of
>>> information about babies and honey on the net, this is just a little
>>> info I found:
>>>
>>> o Infant botulism is a form of paralysis that results from the blockage
>>> of nerve impulse transmission by the toxin of a microorganism named
>>> Clostridium botulinum.
>>>
>>> o Infant botulism is a serious disease that may strike some infants
>>> under one year of age. After ingestion, C. botulinum spores can
>>> germinate and grow in the lower bowel of some very young infants.
>>>
>>> o Newborn babies have no intestinal microflora and thus apparently are
>>> susceptible to C. botulinum infection until their intestinal microflora
>>> develop (during the first few months after birth).
>>>
>>> o Healthy children and adults with normal intestinal microflora are
>>> resistant to intestinal botulism and are able to ingest botulinum
spores
>>> without harm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Thanks, I didn't know that. I've never had children.
>
> if you do, don't baste them with honey.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Now you've gone and spoiled my plans! I guess I'll just skip bidding on
the kids at the next auction.

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On Sun 13 Jul 2008 05:57:02p, Woolstitcher told us...

>
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:16:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat 12 Jul 2008 06:23:37p, Woolstitcher told us...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>> 6.120...
>>>>> On Sat 12 Jul 2008 05:43:56p, Billy told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:29:56 -0400, "Woolstitcher"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ohhhh baby mine. )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't give it to your baby. You didn't know that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Will the bees come and carry it off? Sort of like the flying
>>>>> monkeys and Toto?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
>>>> sugar, etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when
>>>> young, their baby food was home made veggies and they are the most
>>>> wonderful advntuous eaters. I'm sure that is why. However w/ babies
and
>>>> honey (raw or not) it's dangerous. Especially raw honey. Raw honey
has
>>>> bacteria (botulism) that a baby can't deal with. An adult has no
problem
>>>> but it can kill a baby. Also, if the baby has an unknown bee allergy
>>>> the reaction can be so bad that the baby may die. There is lots of
>>>> information about babies and honey on the net, this is just a little
>>>> info I found:
>>>>
>>>> o Infant botulism is a form of paralysis that results from the
blockage
>>>> of nerve impulse transmission by the toxin of a microorganism named
>>>> Clostridium botulinum.
>>>>
>>>> o Infant botulism is a serious disease that may strike some infants
>>>> under one year of age. After ingestion, C. botulinum spores can
>>>> germinate and grow in the lower bowel of some very young infants.
>>>>
>>>> o Newborn babies have no intestinal microflora and thus apparently are
>>>> susceptible to C. botulinum infection until their intestinal
microflora
>>>> develop (during the first few months after birth).
>>>>
>>>> o Healthy children and adults with normal intestinal microflora are
>>>> resistant to intestinal botulism and are able to ingest botulinum
spores
>>>> without harm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks, I didn't know that. I've never had children.
>>
>> if you do, don't baste them with honey.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
> lol, but it makes them soooooooo much sweeter!

And some of them really need it!



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In article >,
"Woolstitcher" > wrote:

> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Woolstitcher wrote:
> >
> >> Well, first there is no good reason to give sweets to babies. Honey,
> >> sugar, etc. My kids were not given any sweets or sweet foods when young,
> >> their baby food was home made veggies and they are the most wonderful
> >> advntuous eaters. I'm sure that is why.
> >
> > Probably not.
>
> Probably. Picky eaters are made, not born. *I* am a picky eater, I have
> been for my whole life. I'm not as bad as I used to be, but I'm still not
> where I would like to be. I'm working on it. I'm sure it is because my
> parents gave us junk and had weird food issues. I have chosen not to pass
> that along to my children. And I have.

One of my brothers was a really picky eater and the other would eat
whatever was put in front of him. No difference in how they were
treated, but interestingly enough the picky brother was premature and
had all sorts of health problems. He's still a picky eater as an adult.
I've no doubt that he's the exception rather than the rule, and on the
whole I agree with you that picky eaters are made rather than born.

Miche

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