On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:44:40 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>One summer we went to see Door County. Some RVing acquaintances had been
>raving about it. It was very touristy. I remarked to a lady in the RV
>park that I was surprised with the amount of tourist kitch. She was a
>local and said that the area where people from Chicago went for vacations.

There's lots of areas like that. Most are pretty empty in the winter
so the cheese-heads can get down to some serious beer drinking. <g>

>It could have been a lovely place without the tourist-tentacles. I did
>enjoy a fish boil and we did a lot of sightseeing on the lower part of
>Door County where there are pretty farms and cherry orchards and hardly
>any vacationers from Chicago.

Oh yes there are some beautiful areas there. SW Wisconsin is very
hilly and some of the views in the country are amazing.

Lou

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:30:04 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>> The one thing the Phoenix area has that we don't is smog.
>>>
>>
>> That we do, but not as bad as California.
>>
>>
>Definitely not as bad as California!

faint praise indeed.

your pal,
blake
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:26:09 -0500, "Chris Marksberry"
> wrote:

>
>"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:29 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Arizona is not nearly as hospitable to their winter visitors. They don't
>>>call them "Winter Arizonans" for one. We experienced the very same type
>>>of attitude that they have in Florida when we spent a winter month in
>>>the greater Phoenix area. One would thing that the money the winter
>>>people infuse into the economy would be appreciated. It's not. It's just
>>>"expected"
>>
>> That's how Wisconsin people are towards Illinois people. They hate
>> us. The lakes are filled with Illinois boats and the hotel and
>> restaurant lots are filled with Illinois plates. I really like the
>> state and enjoy going there but I usually just go up for a day to shop
>> for cheese and produce in the summer. A friend bought a plot of land
>> to retire on. I don't remember how many acres is was but it was many.
>> His taxes were $400 a year because it was considered farmland. He
>> bought an old tractor and dug a little lake. The taxes went to over
>> $4200 the next year because it was now classified as recreational
>> property. The next year it doubled. He sold the farm and retired
>> somewhere else. They are greedy and ungratefully up there.
>>
>> Lou
>
>When I was a little girl living in Chicago we visited Wisconsin during the
>summer frequently. We had relatives there. I remember one year I wasn't
>allowed to play with a friend I had known. Why? Because I was from Chicago
>and might give her polio! It's one of those things you never forget.
>
>Chris
>

people forget how terrifying the prospect of polio was in the 50's,
before salk and sabin came along:

Since people were no longer in contact with open sewers and other
unsanitary conditions which had exposed them to small amounts of the
polio virus as infants, when paralysis is rare, the disease grew from
a very mild, uncommon occurrence to a terrifying epidemic. This was
now the second generation to deal with the fear of this crippling
disease. In an attempt to control the disease, bewildered health
officials reinstituted the usual rules of sanitation which they would
later learn had worsened the threat of polio. They advised against
open drains and unscreened windows. Parents were instructed to keep
their children well bathed, well rested, well fed, and away from
crowds. Bathing suits were locked away in closets, and nobody went to
the public pools. When polio struck, movie theaters were shut, camps
and schools were closed, drinking fountains were abandoned, draft
inductions suspended, and nonessential meetings were canceled until
the epidemic appeared to be over for the time being.

These precautions were harmless, but not particularly helpful. In the
past, these precautions proved very effective in stopping the spread
of diseases such as influenza and plague. For three decades now,
people still did not know why they were getting their disease. And for
three decades now, doctors, epidemiologists, and laboratory
researchers were trying to figure out how the disease was spread.

<http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/projects/sokol.html>

think of the early AIDS hysteria and you get the idea.

i don't know whether this was the period you were in wisconsin, but
some people never get the memo. i'm fifty-six, but i remember being
part of the first mass administration of the sabin vaccine.

your pal,
blake


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On Fri 18 Jul 2008 08:55:23a, blake murphy told us...

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:30:04 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>>> The one thing the Phoenix area has that we don't is smog.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That we do, but not as bad as California.
>>>
>>>
>>Definitely not as bad as California!
>
> faint praise indeed.
>
> your pal,
> blake
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>

LOL! At least in Phoenix there are many days when there is absolutey no
visible smog at all. A lot of our "smog" is actually dust storms in highly
turbulent air. It looks as bad as smog, but I doubt it's nearly as
unhealthy.

--
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tomorrow couldn't be worse.
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:07:35 -0500, "modom (palindrome guy)"
> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:46:38 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:09:37 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" wrote in message ...
>>>>>I wasn't gonna say it, but you're right.
>>>>
>>>> So, being a Southerner is like being in a club where your membership
>>>> can be revoked on a whim? Didn't know that either. I'm liking being
>>>> a born & bred Yankee more and more.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nor really.
>>>
>>>Being a Southerner is for all intents and purposed a state of mind or
>>>attitude which is nurtured from birth. Florida is the Indian revenge on the
>>>white man for stealing Manhattan Island. They are selling uninhabitable
>>>insect infested swamp to unsuspecting northerners. There are too many
>>>transplants from the north for a proper Southern attitude to prevail.
>>
>>take a look at florence king's 'Confessions of a Failed Southern
>>Lady,' 'Southern Ladies & Gentlemen,' or a compendium, 'The Florence
>>King Reader.' very biting and funny.
>>
>>miss king was born to a mother who liked baseball and other things
>>inexplicable to her own very proper southern lady mother, and grandma
>>thought she had the chance to correct her mistakes with florence.
>>sample quote: 'no matter which sex i went to bed with, i never smoked
>>on the street.'
>>
>>great stuff.
>>
>>your pal,
>>blake
>>
>Yeah, it's been a long time since I read "Southern Ladies and
>Gentlemen," but I recall it was dedicated to the proposition that if
>you put a fence around the American South, you'd have a great big
>loony bin.

it really is a stitch.

your pal,
blake
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Chris Marksberry wrote:

> "Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:29 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>Arizona is not nearly as hospitable to their winter visitors. They don't
> >>call them "Winter Arizonans" for one. We experienced the very same type
> >>of attitude that they have in Florida when we spent a winter month in
> >>the greater Phoenix area. One would thing that the money the winter
> >>people infuse into the economy would be appreciated. It's not. It's just
> >>"expected"
> >
> > That's how Wisconsin people are towards Illinois people. They hate
> > us. The lakes are filled with Illinois boats and the hotel and
> > restaurant lots are filled with Illinois plates. I really like the
> > state and enjoy going there but I usually just go up for a day to shop
> > for cheese and produce in the summer. A friend bought a plot of land
> > to retire on. I don't remember how many acres is was but it was many.
> > His taxes were $400 a year because it was considered farmland. He
> > bought an old tractor and dug a little lake. The taxes went to over
> > $4200 the next year because it was now classified as recreational
> > property. The next year it doubled. He sold the farm and retired
> > somewhere else. They are greedy and ungratefully up there.
> >
> > Lou
>
> When I was a little girl living in Chicago we visited Wisconsin during the
> summer frequently. We had relatives there. I remember one year I wasn't
> allowed to play with a friend I had known. Why? Because I was from
Chicago
> and might give her polio! It's one of those things you never forget.
>


Oh man, thats an "excuse" all right...I guess the Salk vaccine put the
kibbosh on that one.

;-)

It's not just WI with the Chicawgo peeps, either. Years ago I used to spend
summer weekends with a family in SW Michigan, just over the Indianer border
("Harbor Country", it's called, a big resort area). We used to stop in to a
little time - warp store that some crabby old guy owned, he used to say
stuff like, "This AIN'T Chicago"..."Did those kids learn their manners from
AL CAPONE...!!!???"..."Are you dumb or just from CICERO*!?", etc. We'd stop
in just to get the old coot going, lol. We'd bait him by saying junk like,
"We have such 'n such in Chicago, do you have it here yet?". It was always
something lame like Diet Coke or Hostess Twinkies or the Chicago Tribune
newspaper or something we'd ask about...

[*Cicero is a blue - collar Chicago suburb, at one time a big mafia and
crime hang - out. Still may be...in fact a former mayor, Betty Loren -
Maltese is in jail for corruption. She bought a house in Vegas with the
money she scammed, saying, "I had to buy a place for my mother to live",
lol...]

--
Best
Greg

Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:44:40 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
> >One summer we went to see Door County. Some RVing acquaintances had been
> >raving about it. It was very touristy. I remarked to a lady in the RV
> >park that I was surprised with the amount of tourist kitch. She was a
> >local and said that the area where people from Chicago went for
vacations.
>
> There's lots of areas like that. Most are pretty empty in the winter
> so the cheese-heads can get down to some serious beer drinking. <g>


And drunkenly crashing their snowmobiles through the ice on their way to the
tavern...


> >It could have been a lovely place without the tourist-tentacles. I did
> >enjoy a fish boil and we did a lot of sightseeing on the lower part of
> >Door County where there are pretty farms and cherry orchards and hardly
> >any vacationers from Chicago.
>
> Oh yes there are some beautiful areas there. SW Wisconsin is very
> hilly and some of the views in the country are amazing.


Lotsa good locally - made cheese 'n stuff around there...and Madison has
what is considered the best farmer's market in the entire US.


--
Best
Greg

On Fri 18 Jul 2008 09:12:56a, blake murphy told us...

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:26:09 -0500, "Chris Marksberry"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:29 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Arizona is not nearly as hospitable to their winter visitors. They
>>>>don't call them "Winter Arizonans" for one. We experienced the very
>>>>same type of attitude that they have in Florida when we spent a winter
>>>>month in the greater Phoenix area. One would thing that the money the
>>>>winter people infuse into the economy would be appreciated. It's not.
>>>>It's just "expected"
>>>
>>> That's how Wisconsin people are towards Illinois people. They hate
>>> us. The lakes are filled with Illinois boats and the hotel and
>>> restaurant lots are filled with Illinois plates. I really like the
>>> state and enjoy going there but I usually just go up for a day to shop
>>> for cheese and produce in the summer. A friend bought a plot of land
>>> to retire on. I don't remember how many acres is was but it was many.
>>> His taxes were $400 a year because it was considered farmland. He
>>> bought an old tractor and dug a little lake. The taxes went to over
>>> $4200 the next year because it was now classified as recreational
>>> property. The next year it doubled. He sold the farm and retired
>>> somewhere else. They are greedy and ungratefully up there.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>>When I was a little girl living in Chicago we visited Wisconsin during
>>the summer frequently. We had relatives there. I remember one year I
>>wasn't allowed to play with a friend I had known. Why? Because I was
>>from Chicago and might give her polio! It's one of those things you
>>never forget.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>
> people forget how terrifying the prospect of polio was in the 50's,
> before salk and sabin came along:
>
> Since people were no longer in contact with open sewers and other
> unsanitary conditions which had exposed them to small amounts of the
> polio virus as infants, when paralysis is rare, the disease grew from
> a very mild, uncommon occurrence to a terrifying epidemic. This was
> now the second generation to deal with the fear of this crippling
> disease. In an attempt to control the disease, bewildered health
> officials reinstituted the usual rules of sanitation which they would
> later learn had worsened the threat of polio. They advised against
> open drains and unscreened windows. Parents were instructed to keep
> their children well bathed, well rested, well fed, and away from
> crowds. Bathing suits were locked away in closets, and nobody went to
> the public pools. When polio struck, movie theaters were shut, camps
> and schools were closed, drinking fountains were abandoned, draft
> inductions suspended, and nonessential meetings were canceled until
> the epidemic appeared to be over for the time being.
>
> These precautions were harmless, but not particularly helpful. In the
> past, these precautions proved very effective in stopping the spread
> of diseases such as influenza and plague. For three decades now,
> people still did not know why they were getting their disease. And for
> three decades now, doctors, epidemiologists, and laboratory
> researchers were trying to figure out how the disease was spread.
>
> <http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/projects/sokol.html>
>
> think of the early AIDS hysteria and you get the idea.

I think the polio hysteria was even greater.

> i don't know whether this was the period you were in wisconsin, but
> some people never get the memo. i'm fifty-six, but i remember being
> part of the first mass administration of the sabin vaccine.

I'm 63, and remember taking the Salk vaccine on a sugar cube in our
doctor's office. It was during the first wave of vaccinations.

Actually, prior to that, my parents had a real scare with me while on
vacation with me one summer. I came down with very severe symptoms of
polio prior to the paralysis stage. The local small town doctor was
convinced that it was going to be polio. Thankfully, it was just a serious
"ordinary" viral infection.

> your pal,
> blake
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>



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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
> On Fri 18 Jul 2008 09:12:56a, blake murphy told us...
>
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:26:09 -0500, "Chris Marksberry"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:29 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Arizona is not nearly as hospitable to their winter visitors. They
>>>>>don't call them "Winter Arizonans" for one. We experienced the very
>>>>>same type of attitude that they have in Florida when we spent a winter
>>>>>month in the greater Phoenix area. One would thing that the money the
>>>>>winter people infuse into the economy would be appreciated. It's not.
>>>>>It's just "expected"
>>>>
>>>> That's how Wisconsin people are towards Illinois people. They hate
>>>> us. The lakes are filled with Illinois boats and the hotel and
>>>> restaurant lots are filled with Illinois plates. I really like the
>>>> state and enjoy going there but I usually just go up for a day to shop
>>>> for cheese and produce in the summer. A friend bought a plot of land
>>>> to retire on. I don't remember how many acres is was but it was many.
>>>> His taxes were $400 a year because it was considered farmland. He
>>>> bought an old tractor and dug a little lake. The taxes went to over
>>>> $4200 the next year because it was now classified as recreational
>>>> property. The next year it doubled. He sold the farm and retired
>>>> somewhere else. They are greedy and ungratefully up there.
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>
>>>When I was a little girl living in Chicago we visited Wisconsin during
>>>the summer frequently. We had relatives there. I remember one year I
>>>wasn't allowed to play with a friend I had known. Why? Because I was
>>>from Chicago and might give her polio! It's one of those things you
>>>never forget.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>
>> people forget how terrifying the prospect of polio was in the 50's,
>> before salk and sabin came along:
>>
>> Since people were no longer in contact with open sewers and other
>> unsanitary conditions which had exposed them to small amounts of the
>> polio virus as infants, when paralysis is rare, the disease grew from
>> a very mild, uncommon occurrence to a terrifying epidemic. This was
>> now the second generation to deal with the fear of this crippling
>> disease. In an attempt to control the disease, bewildered health
>> officials reinstituted the usual rules of sanitation which they would
>> later learn had worsened the threat of polio. They advised against
>> open drains and unscreened windows. Parents were instructed to keep
>> their children well bathed, well rested, well fed, and away from
>> crowds. Bathing suits were locked away in closets, and nobody went to
>> the public pools. When polio struck, movie theaters were shut, camps
>> and schools were closed, drinking fountains were abandoned, draft
>> inductions suspended, and nonessential meetings were canceled until
>> the epidemic appeared to be over for the time being.
>>
>> These precautions were harmless, but not particularly helpful. In the
>> past, these precautions proved very effective in stopping the spread
>> of diseases such as influenza and plague. For three decades now,
>> people still did not know why they were getting their disease. And for
>> three decades now, doctors, epidemiologists, and laboratory
>> researchers were trying to figure out how the disease was spread.
>>
>> <http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/projects/sokol.html>
>>
>> think of the early AIDS hysteria and you get the idea.
>
> I think the polio hysteria was even greater.
>
>> i don't know whether this was the period you were in wisconsin, but
>> some people never get the memo. i'm fifty-six, but i remember being
>> part of the first mass administration of the sabin vaccine.
>
> I'm 63, and remember taking the Salk vaccine on a sugar cube in our
> doctor's office. It was during the first wave of vaccinations.
>
> Actually, prior to that, my parents had a real scare with me while on
> vacation with me one summer. I came down with very severe symptoms of
> polio prior to the paralysis stage. The local small town doctor was
> convinced that it was going to be polio. Thankfully, it was just a
> serious
> "ordinary" viral infection.

There has been much hoopla locally because of the death of Dr. Michael
DeBakey. Yes I know he did very good things for heart disease and saved
lives but I wonder how much Dr. Sauk got.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk

Chris

Chris Marksberry wrote:
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...

>>> people forget how terrifying the prospect of polio was in the 50's,
>>> before salk and sabin came along:

<snip>

>>> think of the early AIDS hysteria and you get the idea.
>>
>> I think the polio hysteria was even greater.

Then there was this related hysteria:

http://tinyurl.com/5q4tzx

(Wikipedia image of a flyer issued by the Keep America Committee, May
16, 1955.)


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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 18 Jul 2008 08:55:23a, blake murphy told us...
>
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:30:04 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The one thing the Phoenix area has that we don't is smog.
>>>>>
>>>> That we do, but not as bad as California.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Definitely not as bad as California!
>> faint praise indeed.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>
> LOL! At least in Phoenix there are many days when there is absolutey no
> visible smog at all. A lot of our "smog" is actually dust storms in highly
> turbulent air. It looks as bad as smog, but I doubt it's nearly as
> unhealthy.
>

I have a lot of trouble in the desert. The dust and dryness make my nose
bleed. My skin gets really chapped and flaky, too. There are some lovely
mountain views out there, but I just could not live there.

I thrive in the humidity of deep-south Texas, which isn't really all
that bad when you compare it to places like Houston or Florida at the
same time of the year. We have a wonderful breeze that comes up in the
late afternoon and it becomes quite pleasant.

--
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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

blake murphy wrote:

> i don't know whether this was the period you were in wisconsin, but
> some people never get the memo. i'm fifty-six, but i remember being
> part of the first mass administration of the sabin vaccine.

I'll be 62 in a little less than a month and I remember being kept in
the house on summer afternoons. It seems there was some prohibition
against being outside in the heat of the day.

I also remember lining up outside the "clinic" in Union City to get my
Salk vaccine. My sister and I were wearing plaid dresses. I can still
vaguely recall the interior of the building and the people dressed in
white. I was very frightened so I guess it made a great impression. I
don't think I was more than 7 at the time.

I can remember that, but ask me where I laid my keys 5 minutes ago....

--
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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

blake murphy wrote:

> i don't know whether this was the period you were in wisconsin, but
> some people never get the memo. i'm fifty-six, but i remember being
> part of the first mass administration of the sabin vaccine.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>
>


I was in one of the early trials of the Salk vaccine and received the
Sabin on a sugar cube as a college freshman at the infirmary. That was
before the days when a sugar cube would have been the brunt of LSD
jokes. I can remember the long lines waiting for both.

gloria p

"Janet Wilder" > > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>> The one thing the Phoenix area has that we don't is smog.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That we do, but not as bad as California.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Definitely not as bad as California!
>>> faint praise indeed.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake

>> LOL! At least in Phoenix there are many days when there is absolutey no
>> visible smog at all. A lot of our "smog" is actually dust storms in
>> highly turbulent air. It looks as bad as smog, but I doubt it's nearly
>> as unhealthy.
>>
>
> I have a lot of trouble in the desert. The dust and dryness make my nose
> bleed. My skin gets really chapped and flaky, too. There are some lovely
> mountain views out there, but I just could not live there.
>
> I thrive in the humidity of deep-south Texas, which isn't really all that
> bad when you compare it to places like Houston or Florida at the same time
> of the year. We have a wonderful breeze that comes up in the late
> afternoon and it becomes quite pleasant.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder

Living in the Houston area my skin and sinuses go nuts in dry climates. Very
unpleasant for someone used to humidity. Something else about Arizona that
bothers me (not my husband, he loves it there... natural desert rat and he
would retire there gladly)it that it is not green like Houston and when
we're out there I really miss everything being so green.

Janet,

You're in Harlingen (or the general area) aren't you. We've enjoyed trips
down there. My husband is former Marine (yeah... I know there's no such
thing)and of course visited The Marine Military Academy Museum.

Chris

Janet Wilder wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Fri 18 Jul 2008 08:55:23a, blake murphy told us...
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:30:04 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The one thing the Phoenix area has that we don't is smog.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That we do, but not as bad as California.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Definitely not as bad as California!
>>> faint praise indeed.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>
>> LOL! At least in Phoenix there are many days when there is absolutey
>> no visible smog at all. A lot of our "smog" is actually dust storms
>> in highly turbulent air. It looks as bad as smog, but I doubt it's
>> nearly as unhealthy.
>>
>
> I have a lot of trouble in the desert. The dust and dryness make my nose
> bleed. My skin gets really chapped and flaky, too. There are some lovely
> mountain views out there, but I just could not live there.
>
> I thrive in the humidity of deep-south Texas, which isn't really all
> that bad when you compare it to places like Houston or Florida at the
> same time of the year. We have a wonderful breeze that comes up in the
> late afternoon and it becomes quite pleasant.
>
I lived on the shore of the Red Sea in Saudi Arabia for five years. I
think it might have rained a wee bit once during that time. Daily dust
storms blew sand from Egypt over to us and we sent it back in the
afternoon. Not withstanding temperatures up to 125F at times I
thoroughly enjoyed living in that climate. Our humidity sometimes
reached as much as 20% but the Red Sea was beautiful, there were areas
of the desert where we saw gazelles, lots of birds, and even the odd
baboon, and, once, a leopard in the distance. There were thousands of
migratory birds that came through every year including flamingoes out of
Africa and large storks that the Dutch workers said flew all the way to
Holland.

Now we live in SW Louisiana where today it was 98F with 96% humidity but
there is a beauty to be found here, it's just rougher on my sinuses and
I grew up not 35 miles west of where I am now in SE Texas. I think that
beauty lives wherever you are as long as you are happy there. Now I'm
off to bed.

Chris Marksberry wrote:

> There has been much hoopla locally because of the death of Dr. Michael
> DeBakey. Yes I know he did very good things for heart disease and saved
> lives but I wonder how much Dr. Salk got.
>


"Salk died on June 23, 1995 in La Jolla, CA, at the age of 80 due to
heart failure."

Salk could have patented the vaccine and been a very rich man, but he
was a humanitarian who was happy to have helped halt a scary disease.
If he lived in La Jolla, he wasn't poor.

As a minimum he has a very nice biology reseacrh building, The Jonas
Salk Center, on campus at the University of California, San Diego.
(Actually UCSD is in La Jolla on some very nice real estate.)

IIRC the building has a beautiful reflecting pool and overlooks the
ocean right by the hang-glider port.

gloria p

On Fri 18 Jul 2008 02:14:13p, Chris Marksberry told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>> On Fri 18 Jul 2008 09:12:56a, blake murphy told us...
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:26:09 -0500, "Chris Marksberry"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:29 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Arizona is not nearly as hospitable to their winter visitors. They
>>>>>>don't call them "Winter Arizonans" for one. We experienced the very
>>>>>>same type of attitude that they have in Florida when we spent a
winter
>>>>>>month in the greater Phoenix area. One would thing that the money the
>>>>>>winter people infuse into the economy would be appreciated. It's not.
>>>>>>It's just "expected"
>>>>>
>>>>> That's how Wisconsin people are towards Illinois people. They hate
>>>>> us. The lakes are filled with Illinois boats and the hotel and
>>>>> restaurant lots are filled with Illinois plates. I really like the
>>>>> state and enjoy going there but I usually just go up for a day to
shop
>>>>> for cheese and produce in the summer. A friend bought a plot of land
>>>>> to retire on. I don't remember how many acres is was but it was
many.
>>>>> His taxes were $400 a year because it was considered farmland. He
>>>>> bought an old tractor and dug a little lake. The taxes went to over
>>>>> $4200 the next year because it was now classified as recreational
>>>>> property. The next year it doubled. He sold the farm and retired
>>>>> somewhere else. They are greedy and ungratefully up there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>>>When I was a little girl living in Chicago we visited Wisconsin during
>>>>the summer frequently. We had relatives there. I remember one year I
>>>>wasn't allowed to play with a friend I had known. Why? Because I was
>>>>from Chicago and might give her polio! It's one of those things you
>>>>never forget.
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>
>>> people forget how terrifying the prospect of polio was in the 50's,
>>> before salk and sabin came along:
>>>
>>> Since people were no longer in contact with open sewers and other
>>> unsanitary conditions which had exposed them to small amounts of the
>>> polio virus as infants, when paralysis is rare, the disease grew from
>>> a very mild, uncommon occurrence to a terrifying epidemic. This was
>>> now the second generation to deal with the fear of this crippling
>>> disease. In an attempt to control the disease, bewildered health
>>> officials reinstituted the usual rules of sanitation which they would
>>> later learn had worsened the threat of polio. They advised against
>>> open drains and unscreened windows. Parents were instructed to keep
>>> their children well bathed, well rested, well fed, and away from
>>> crowds. Bathing suits were locked away in closets, and nobody went to
>>> the public pools. When polio struck, movie theaters were shut, camps
>>> and schools were closed, drinking fountains were abandoned, draft
>>> inductions suspended, and nonessential meetings were canceled until
>>> the epidemic appeared to be over for the time being.
>>>
>>> These precautions were harmless, but not particularly helpful. In the
>>> past, these precautions proved very effective in stopping the spread
>>> of diseases such as influenza and plague. For three decades now, people
>>> still did not know why they were getting their disease. And for three
>>> decades now, doctors, epidemiologists, and laboratory researchers were
>>> trying to figure out how the disease was spread.
>>>
>>> <http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/projects/sokol.html>
>>>
>>> think of the early AIDS hysteria and you get the idea.
>>
>> I think the polio hysteria was even greater.
>>
>>> i don't know whether this was the period you were in wisconsin, but
>>> some people never get the memo. i'm fifty-six, but i remember being
>>> part of the first mass administration of the sabin vaccine.
>>
>> I'm 63, and remember taking the Salk vaccine on a sugar cube in our
>> doctor's office. It was during the first wave of vaccinations.
>>
>> Actually, prior to that, my parents had a real scare with me while on
>> vacation with me one summer. I came down with very severe symptoms of
>> polio prior to the paralysis stage. The local small town doctor was
>> convinced that it was going to be polio. Thankfully, it was just a
>> serious "ordinary" viral infection.
>
> There has been much hoopla locally because of the death of Dr. Michael
> DeBakey. Yes I know he did very good things for heart disease and saved
> lives but I wonder how much Dr. Sauk got.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk
>
> Chris

I was ten years old in 1955 when I received the polio vaccine. I remember
there was a great deal of excitement about Salk at the time. I imagine he
garnered much acclaim.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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variable. - Perlis
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Chris Marksberry wrote:


> Janet,
>
> You're in Harlingen (or the general area) aren't you. We've enjoyed trips
> down there. My husband is former Marine (yeah... I know there's no such
> thing)and of course visited The Marine Military Academy Museum.
>

We are in Harlingen. About 8 miles due south of the Marine Military
Academy on the same road. I have made donations to the museum but
haven't gotten to visit it yet.

Next time you are here, give us a call. We're in the book.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:53:20 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>Chris Marksberry wrote:
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 5.247...
>
>>>> people forget how terrifying the prospect of polio was in the 50's,
>>>> before salk and sabin came along:
>
><snip>
>
>>>> think of the early AIDS hysteria and you get the idea.
>>>
>>> I think the polio hysteria was even greater.
>
>Then there was this related hysteria:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/5q4tzx
>
>(Wikipedia image of a flyer issued by the Keep America Committee, May
>16, 1955.)

'keep america' what, i wonder? nuts?

nice poster, though. i like the artist name, 'b. smart.'

your pal,
blake
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:19:14 -0600, Gloria P >
wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>
>> i don't know whether this was the period you were in wisconsin, but
>> some people never get the memo. i'm fifty-six, but i remember being
>> part of the first mass administration of the sabin vaccine.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>>
>>
>
>
>I was in one of the early trials of the Salk vaccine and received the
>Sabin on a sugar cube as a college freshman at the infirmary. That was
>before the days when a sugar cube would have been the brunt of LSD
>jokes. I can remember the long lines waiting for both.
>
>gloria p

there was a line to dispense l.s.d.? we usually just had to pay some
guy for some.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

blake murphy said...

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:19:14 -0600, Gloria P >
> wrote:
>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> i don't know whether this was the period you were in wisconsin, but
>>> some people never get the memo. i'm fifty-six, but i remember being
>>> part of the first mass administration of the sabin vaccine.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I was in one of the early trials of the Salk vaccine and received the
>>Sabin on a sugar cube as a college freshman at the infirmary. That was
>>before the days when a sugar cube would have been the brunt of LSD
>>jokes. I can remember the long lines waiting for both.
>>
>>gloria p
>
> there was a line to dispense l.s.d.? we usually just had to pay some
> guy for some.


Once in college, some mdma (extasy). I don't remember behing higher! A
nonstop 6-hour rush!

Andy

blake murphy wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:53:20 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> > wrote:
>
>>Chris Marksberry wrote:
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 5.247...
>>
>>>>> people forget how terrifying the prospect of polio was in the 50's,
>>>>> before salk and sabin came along:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>>> think of the early AIDS hysteria and you get the idea.
>>>>
>>>> I think the polio hysteria was even greater.
>>
>>Then there was this related hysteria:
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/5q4tzx
>>
>>(Wikipedia image of a flyer issued by the Keep America Committee, May
>>16, 1955.)
>
> 'keep america' what, i wonder? nuts?

"Keep it" versus "lose it" to the Reds.

Comic book, 1947:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Is_this_tomorrow.jpg


--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

>> Janet,
>>
>> You're in Harlingen (or the general area) aren't you. We've enjoyed
>> trips down there. My husband is former Marine (yeah... I know there's
>> no such thing)and of course visited The Marine Military Academy Museum.
>>
>
> We are in Harlingen. About 8 miles due south of the Marine Military
> Academy on the same road. I have made donations to the museum but haven't
> gotten to visit it yet.
>
> Next time you are here, give us a call. We're in the book.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder

Thanks Janet and if you get to the Pearland area of Houston give us a call.
We're in the book as well.

This is a long shot, but...

On a trip down there we proceeded on to Brownsville and met a guy there who
took tourists into Matamoras. His name was actually George McCoy but he
went by the name of Jorge (Spanish for George). Mr. McCoy would on a regular
basis bring "care packages" to the extremely poor parts of Matamoras. I
just wondered if you'd ever heard of him. He's probably dead by now, but I
wonder if anybody knows of his work? IIRC, he did make it an option to see
those areas of incredible poverty.

Chris

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> BOB wrote:
>> "Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:39:21 -0600, Pennyaline
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>> I never heard Floridians talk with a Southern drawl. Maybe that's why
>>>>> it's
>>>>> not considered "Southern!"
>>>> In the panhandle they surely do have a drawl.
>>> People think of Florida as Disney, beaches, bikini's, and ocean front
>>> hotels. If you go to central Florida you'll find a different type
>>> lifestyle and just as strong a drawl as any other southern state. The
>>> guys I've seen that liked to get all drunk and go out on lake
>>> Kissimmee late at night to shoot crocodiles always had such a thick
>>> accent I could hardly understand them. Or maybe is was just too much
>>> cheap beer.
>>
>> Are you sure about the crocodiles? I don't think so.
>>> Lou
>>
>>
> Yup, the American crocodile lives in Florida. AFAIK it's the only
> crocodile in North America. Oh yeah, it's considered endangered so
> rednecks shooting it would be put in jail if caught.

Crocodiles would be further southwest, south of Ft Myers, but not Lake
Kissimmee.

BOB

"sf" wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:06:33 -0400, " BOB" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" wrote in message ...
>>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:24:39 -0400, " BOB" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>LOL!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubTQfr_tyY
>>>>
>>> Well, I certainly learned a lot! I had no idea there were so many BBQ
>>> sauce variations - mayonnaise BBQ sauce? And Florida is *not* a
>>> Southern state? Since when?
>>
>>Many parts. Some parts might even be considered a foreign country
>>>
>>> sf
>>> in *Northern* California where BBQ is still a verb
>>
>>
>>Along with all of the fruits and nuts.
>>>
>
> That's true too.
>
> How's your Uncle Daddy?
>
I think that would be West Virginia

BOB

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> " BOB" > wrote:
>
>> LOL!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubTQfr_tyY
>>
>> BOB
>
>
> EXCELLENT!!! Thanks, BOB.

You're welcome.

BOB

Chris Marksberry wrote:
>>> Janet,
>>>
>>> You're in Harlingen (or the general area) aren't you. We've enjoyed
>>> trips down there. My husband is former Marine (yeah... I know there's
>>> no such thing)and of course visited The Marine Military Academy Museum.
>>>
>> We are in Harlingen. About 8 miles due south of the Marine Military
>> Academy on the same road. I have made donations to the museum but haven't
>> gotten to visit it yet.
>>
>> Next time you are here, give us a call. We're in the book.
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>
> Thanks Janet and if you get to the Pearland area of Houston give us a call.
> We're in the book as well.
>
> This is a long shot, but...
>
> On a trip down there we proceeded on to Brownsville and met a guy there who
> took tourists into Matamoras. His name was actually George McCoy but he
> went by the name of Jorge (Spanish for George). Mr. McCoy would on a regular
> basis bring "care packages" to the extremely poor parts of Matamoras. I
> just wondered if you'd ever heard of him. He's probably dead by now, but I
> wonder if anybody knows of his work? IIRC, he did make it an option to see
> those areas of incredible poverty.

I don't know the name, but there are many organizations who bring food,
clothing school supplies and toys at Christmas to the poor families
across the river. Many of our Winter Texans are involved in these
programs, even playing Santa on Christmas day. I haven't taken a tour,
but I am very much aware that people live in the city dump in Matamoras
and eat garbage.

I try to do my share of giving by making frequent donations to the Lower
Rio Grande Valley Food Bank which is suffering right now due to
increased food prices and the high cost of gasoline eating into people's
disposable income.

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:42:27 -0700, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:53:20 -0700, Blinky the Shark
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Chris Marksberry wrote:
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>> 5.247...
>>>
>>>>>> people forget how terrifying the prospect of polio was in the 50's,
>>>>>> before salk and sabin came along:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>> think of the early AIDS hysteria and you get the idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the polio hysteria was even greater.
>>>
>>>Then there was this related hysteria:
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/5q4tzx
>>>
>>>(Wikipedia image of a flyer issued by the Keep America Committee, May
>>>16, 1955.)
>>
>> 'keep america' what, i wonder? nuts?
>
>"Keep it" versus "lose it" to the Reds.
>
>Comic book, 1947:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Is_this_tomorrow.jpg

good thing there's no panic like that today - just a healthy
appreciation of the fact that the muslim hordes may come tomorrow and
slit all our throats.

your pal,
blake
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:59:06 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
>Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:44:40 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >One summer we went to see Door County. Some RVing acquaintances had been
>> >raving about it. It was very touristy. I remarked to a lady in the RV
>> >park that I was surprised with the amount of tourist kitch. She was a
>> >local and said that the area where people from Chicago went for
>vacations.
>>
>> There's lots of areas like that. Most are pretty empty in the winter
>> so the cheese-heads can get down to some serious beer drinking. <g>
>
>
>And drunkenly crashing their snowmobiles through the ice on their way to the
>tavern...

Ain't that the truth!
>
>> >It could have been a lovely place without the tourist-tentacles. I did
>> >enjoy a fish boil and we did a lot of sightseeing on the lower part of
>> >Door County where there are pretty farms and cherry orchards and hardly
>> >any vacationers from Chicago.
>>
>> Oh yes there are some beautiful areas there. SW Wisconsin is very
>> hilly and some of the views in the country are amazing.
>
>
>Lotsa good locally - made cheese 'n stuff around there...and Madison has
>what is considered the best farmer's market in the entire US.

The August issue of Chicago magazine has an article called
"destination Madison" speaking of the foodie attributes of Madison.
The cheese, beer, Dane county farmers market etc. all make it quite a
city. I also like Monroe and New Glarus. Mt. Horeb is a cool place
too.

http://www.mustardweb.com/history-museum.htm

Lou

"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:59:06 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:44:40 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >One summer we went to see Door County. Some RVing acquaintances had
>>> >been
>>> >raving about it. It was very touristy. I remarked to a lady in the RV
>>> >park that I was surprised with the amount of tourist kitch. She was a
>>> >local and said that the area where people from Chicago went for
>>vacations.
>>>
>>> There's lots of areas like that. Most are pretty empty in the winter
>>> so the cheese-heads can get down to some serious beer drinking. <g>
>>
>>
>>And drunkenly crashing their snowmobiles through the ice on their way to
>>the
>>tavern...
>
> Ain't that the truth!
>>
>>> >It could have been a lovely place without the tourist-tentacles. I did
>>> >enjoy a fish boil and we did a lot of sightseeing on the lower part of
>>> >Door County where there are pretty farms and cherry orchards and hardly
>>> >any vacationers from Chicago.
>>>
>>> Oh yes there are some beautiful areas there. SW Wisconsin is very
>>> hilly and some of the views in the country are amazing.
>>
>>
>>Lotsa good locally - made cheese 'n stuff around there...and Madison has
>>what is considered the best farmer's market in the entire US.
>
> The August issue of Chicago magazine has an article called
> "destination Madison" speaking of the foodie attributes of Madison.
> The cheese, beer, Dane county farmers market etc. all make it quite a
> city. I also like Monroe and New Glarus. Mt. Horeb is a cool place
> too.
>
> http://www.mustardweb.com/history-museum.htm
>
> Lou

Lou,

Again... small world. Mt. Horeb is where my father (and his brothers) was
born and raised. I remember it as being close to 100% populated with
Norwegian Americans. My grandfather built a home there which I understand
still stands.

Food reference: Lefse good!
Lutefisk very, very bad!

Chris

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:30:54 -0500, "Chris Marksberry"
> wrote:

>
>"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
.. .

>>
>> The August issue of Chicago magazine has an article called
>> "destination Madison" speaking of the foodie attributes of Madison.
>> The cheese, beer, Dane county farmers market etc. all make it quite a
>> city. I also like Monroe and New Glarus. Mt. Horeb is a cool place
>> too.
>>
>> http://www.mustardweb.com/history-museum.htm
>>
>> Lou
>
>Lou,
>
>Again... small world. Mt. Horeb is where my father (and his brothers) was
>born and raised. I remember it as being close to 100% populated with
>Norwegian Americans. My grandfather built a home there which I understand
>still stands.

It's still very Norwegian. The troll images are all over the place.
It's cute even though it's kinda cheezy. New Glarus is very Swedish.
I think Monroe is German.

Lou

Chris Marksberry wrote:

> Thanks Janet and if you get to the Pearland area of Houston give us a call.
> We're in the book as well.
>
> This is a long shot, but...
>
> On a trip down there we proceeded on to Brownsville and met a guy there who
> took tourists into Matamoras. His name was actually George McCoy but he
> went by the name of Jorge (Spanish for George). Mr. McCoy would on a regular
> basis bring "care packages" to the extremely poor parts of Matamoras. I
> just wondered if you'd ever heard of him. He's probably dead by now, but I
> wonder if anybody knows of his work? IIRC, he did make it an option to see
> those areas of incredible poverty.
>
> Chris

Thanks for this information, Chris. I visit Matamoros occasionally, so
I will try to find Jorge and make a donation. I have to go back in
September to visit a doctor. He did surgery on my sinuses and this is
my annual exam. BTW, this was my 2nd time to have sinus surgery, and if
I need to have it again, I will go back to Matamoros. "Jorge McCoy", I
will remember that.

Becca

Chris Marksberry wrote:
> "Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:59:06 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:44:40 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One summer we went to see Door County. Some RVing acquaintances had
>>>>> been
>>>>> raving about it. It was very touristy. I remarked to a lady in the RV
>>>>> park that I was surprised with the amount of tourist kitch. She was a
>>>>> local and said that the area where people from Chicago went for
>>> vacations.
>>>> There's lots of areas like that. Most are pretty empty in the winter
>>>> so the cheese-heads can get down to some serious beer drinking. <g>
>>>
>>> And drunkenly crashing their snowmobiles through the ice on their way to
>>> the
>>> tavern...
>> Ain't that the truth!
>>>>> It could have been a lovely place without the tourist-tentacles. I did
>>>>> enjoy a fish boil and we did a lot of sightseeing on the lower part of
>>>>> Door County where there are pretty farms and cherry orchards and hardly
>>>>> any vacationers from Chicago.
>>>> Oh yes there are some beautiful areas there. SW Wisconsin is very
>>>> hilly and some of the views in the country are amazing.
>>>
>>> Lotsa good locally - made cheese 'n stuff around there...and Madison has
>>> what is considered the best farmer's market in the entire US.
>> The August issue of Chicago magazine has an article called
>> "destination Madison" speaking of the foodie attributes of Madison.
>> The cheese, beer, Dane county farmers market etc. all make it quite a
>> city. I also like Monroe and New Glarus. Mt. Horeb is a cool place
>> too.
>>
>> http://www.mustardweb.com/history-museum.htm
>>
>> Lou
>
> Lou,
>
> Again... small world. Mt. Horeb is where my father (and his brothers) was
> born and raised. I remember it as being close to 100% populated with
> Norwegian Americans. My grandfather built a home there which I understand
> still stands.
>
> Food reference: Lefse good!
> Lutefisk very, very bad!
>
> Chris

When I first visited this newsgroup, people would throw lutefisk at each
other. I guess they quit doing that. lol

Becca

> Chris Marksberry wrote:
>
>> Thanks Janet and if you get to the Pearland area of Houston give us a
>> call. We're in the book as well.
>>
>> This is a long shot, but...
>>
>> On a trip down there we proceeded on to Brownsville and met a guy there
>> who took tourists into Matamoras. His name was actually George McCoy but
>> he went by the name of Jorge (Spanish for George). Mr. McCoy would on a
>> regular basis bring "care packages" to the extremely poor parts of
>> Matamoras. I just wondered if you'd ever heard of him. He's probably
>> dead by now, but I wonder if anybody knows of his work? IIRC, he did
>> make it an option to see those areas of incredible poverty.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Thanks for this information, Chris. I visit Matamoros occasionally, so I
> will try to find Jorge and make a donation. I have to go back in
> September to visit a doctor. He did surgery on my sinuses and this is my
> annual exam. BTW, this was my 2nd time to have sinus surgery, and if I
> need to have it again, I will go back to Matamoros. "Jorge McCoy", I will
> remember that.
>
> Becca

Becca,

I just did an online phonebook search in Brownsville for George McCoy.
Apparently his number is unlisted, but I was able find a George McCoy who is
85 years old so I think it must be same guy. We got his number from a hotel
we were staying at in Brownsville. Hopefully he's still able to do his good
deeds for Matamoros. The conditions we saw were horrendous!



Chris

"Becca" > wrote in message
...
> Chris Marksberry wrote:
>> "Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:59:06 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:44:40 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One summer we went to see Door County. Some RVing acquaintances had
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> raving about it. It was very touristy. I remarked to a lady in the RV
>>>>>> park that I was surprised with the amount of tourist kitch. She was a
>>>>>> local and said that the area where people from Chicago went for
>>>> vacations.
>>>>> There's lots of areas like that. Most are pretty empty in the winter
>>>>> so the cheese-heads can get down to some serious beer drinking. <g>
>>>>
>>>> And drunkenly crashing their snowmobiles through the ice on their way
>>>> to the
>>>> tavern...
>>> Ain't that the truth!
>>>>>> It could have been a lovely place without the tourist-tentacles. I
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> enjoy a fish boil and we did a lot of sightseeing on the lower part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Door County where there are pretty farms and cherry orchards and
>>>>>> hardly
>>>>>> any vacationers from Chicago.
>>>>> Oh yes there are some beautiful areas there. SW Wisconsin is very
>>>>> hilly and some of the views in the country are amazing.
>>>>
>>>> Lotsa good locally - made cheese 'n stuff around there...and Madison
>>>> has
>>>> what is considered the best farmer's market in the entire US.
>>> The August issue of Chicago magazine has an article called
>>> "destination Madison" speaking of the foodie attributes of Madison.
>>> The cheese, beer, Dane county farmers market etc. all make it quite a
>>> city. I also like Monroe and New Glarus. Mt. Horeb is a cool place
>>> too.
>>>
>>> http://www.mustardweb.com/history-museum.htm
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> Lou,
>>
>> Again... small world. Mt. Horeb is where my father (and his brothers)
>> was born and raised. I remember it as being close to 100% populated with
>> Norwegian Americans. My grandfather built a home there which I
>> understand still stands.
>>
>> Food reference: Lefse good!
>> Lutefisk very, very bad!
>>
>> Chris
>
> When I first visited this newsgroup, people would throw lutefisk at each
> other. I guess they quit doing that. lol
>
> Becca
>

I have a very old cookbook from "Sons of Norway" that was published in Mt.
Horeb. Very unfortunately it does have recipes for lutefisk <g>... well
in defense of the cookbook it does have a lot of good sounding recipes for
meatballs too! Need to try some of those one of these days.

Chris

Chris Marksberry wrote:

>> Thanks for this information, Chris. I visit Matamoros occasionally, so I
>> will try to find Jorge and make a donation. I have to go back in
>> September to visit a doctor. He did surgery on my sinuses and this is my
>> annual exam. BTW, this was my 2nd time to have sinus surgery, and if I
>> need to have it again, I will go back to Matamoros. "Jorge McCoy", I will
>> remember that.
>>
>> Becca
>
> Becca,
>
> I just did an online phonebook search in Brownsville for George McCoy.
> Apparently his number is unlisted, but I was able find a George McCoy who is
> 85 years old so I think it must be same guy. We got his number from a hotel
> we were staying at in Brownsville. Hopefully he's still able to do his good
> deeds for Matamoros. The conditions we saw were horrendous!
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> Chris

Thanks for the information, Chris.

Becca