sf wrote:

> As you know, we need to be able to get up and move around. Airlines
> should be held liable for the medical issues we encounter due to being
> confined in such close quarters for far too long.

Probably only if you can prove you didn't have those issues up to the
minute you stepped onto the plane. How can that possibly be done?

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:42:34 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>> As you know, we need to be able to get up and move around. Airlines
>> should be held liable for the medical issues we encounter due to being
>> confined in such close quarters for far too long.
>
>Probably only if you can prove you didn't have those issues up to the
>minute you stepped onto the plane. How can that possibly be done?

It's harder and harder to fly due to cramped quarters and blocked
isles, yet people of all ages are told to get up and move around for
medical reasons. Airlines are exacerbating the problem by limiting
our movement. At the very least isles need to be widened to permit
free movement... even if it's to the bathroom.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

> wrote:

>It's harder and harder to fly due to cramped quarters and blocked
>isles, yet people of all ages are told to get up and move around for
>medical reasons. Airlines are exacerbating the problem by limiting
>our movement. At the very least isles need to be widened to permit
>free movement... even if it's to the bathroom.

That's one of the reasons the 757 went out of production ...
they made it 5 inches narrower than the equivalent Airbus.
Big mistake.

Steve

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Wed 16 Jul 2008 12:17:56p, Blinky the Shark told us...
>
>> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>>
>>> Saying that obese people should be charged for taking up 2 seats sounds
>>> heartless. How about, anyone who would like 2 seats may pay extra and
>>> get them?
>>
>> How about, what's stopping them from doing that now?
>>
>> But that doesn't solve the problem of some blubber-ass that's two people
>> wide, and thus two seats wide getting two for the price of one. Them
>> paying for both seats shouldn't be a *choice* like you buying two for
> your
>> own convenience. It's their ass; it's their responsibility to pay
>> its way.
>>
>>
>
> Very well expressed, Blinky!!!!!

It's easy if you don't worry about being P****ingC.


--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
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On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:13:42p, Steve Pope told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>>Lia, I agree with both of your scenarios. However, there has to be a
>>consistent policy that the airline follows. It's too large an industry
>>not to have such policies in place and insure that they're followed.
>>
>>If they did this, it should avoid having disgruntled passengers and
>>confrontational dialog.
>
> While I see where you are coming from, sometimes the best approach
> to a situation is to muddle through, and deal with issues as they
> arise, rather than having a firm policy.
>
> From the airlines' perspective, even with no stated policy,
> most passengers are not too large for most seats; in the cases
> where they are, often the seat next to them is empty, they can
> change seats around to arrange this, or they can move them to
> business/first, or the passenger next to them might not complain.
> In a tiny fraction of cases, with no policy, they will have to
> bump the large passenger to the next flight.
>
> Whereas if they had a stated policy, either large passengers would
> end up having to buy two seats, or a business/first seat,
> ahead of time; or if they aren't required to do so, they'd
> be entitled to sit in a coach seat. Either scenario has
> significant disadvntages to the "muddle through it" approach.
>
> It boils down to the airlines have good reasons to handle
> it the way they're handling it now.
>
> Steve
>

Having had this situation inflicted on me numerous times, I couldn't
disagree more, Steve. I simply don't want to have to deal with it, and
often the airline personnel won't. I paid my money...I am fully entitled
to the entire seat I paid for.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:38:35p, Goomba told us...

> Dimitri wrote:
>
>>> I remember "the good old days" too. They weren't called airships for
>>> nothing! I have a picture on the wall of my grandparents going
>>> "somewhere", red carpet treatment and all.
>>> http://i35.tinypic.com/2cr4w8k.jpg
>>
>> That is when people dressed to travel.
>>
>> Do you remember the Piano Bar on the Continental LA to Chicago DC 10's?
>>
>> That's when you could move around play cards and get a little hammered.
>>
>> The Proud Bird with the Golden Tail.
>>
>
> I love this website- Go look at the section of airline meals from days
> gone by.... lounges with unlimited liquor! Food on real dishes! Menu
> cards! Very nostalgic and kinda sad <sniff sniff>
> http://www.airtimetable.com/airline_meals.htm
>

Not just "kinda", but *very* sad.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Cats must balance their 25 pound body
on their human's full bladder.
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On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:33:53p, Billy told us...

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:51:29 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
>>Considerable clipping but I wonder how much you'd personally pay for
>>those amenities?
>
> The American public DEMANDED low fares. What did we get....Geryhound
> bus at 35000 ft. Sometimes, we must be careful what we wish for.
>

I would gladly continue to pay higher fares to isolate me from the trash
than can now afford to fly.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wednesday, 07(VII)/16(XVI)/08(MMVIII)
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Cats must balance their 25 pound body
on their human's full bladder.
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Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:

> No but I sure as hell don't have to use the airlines either. They *can* run
> their business any way they want but I only fly when it is out of dire
> necessity. The airlines have gotten so bad I'll save my bucks and hire a
> charter.

As mentioned in a previous post, one my flight to Paris on a charter aircraft
was horribly cramped. The seats were narrow and there as no leg room. The next
time I made a transatlantic flight I paid quite a bit extra for a regular
airline (KLM) and the seating was the same.However, my flight to Estonia last
month was KLM and both the flight to Schipol and the city hopper to Tallinn
were quite comfortable.. In between those flights I also flew Air Canada ()to
Munich) and it was satisfactory. A few years ago I flew Buffalo to Denver by
way of Cleveland on Continental and it was very comfortable.

I have also heard fat obsessed people complain about the weight and how it
costs more to fly heavy people so they should pay more. The theory may sound
good to them, but then you have to look at the way that route you to your
destination. For instance, when I flew to Buffalo, one of the options was to
fly by way of NYC. That is about 600 miles from here, and in the opposite
direction, so it doesn't make much sense to charge by weight and fuel required
from point A to point B when they first fly you 1200 miles out of your way. Nor
is weight a factor if it is a last minute ticket, or day of week and time of
day.

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> Gonna blame Lou Decruss for reminding me about this one...

Airline seats are small and cramped enough without having to deal with
being squeezed further by the superfluous flesh of the person sitting
next to you.

I have nothing against large people. I just don't like them messing with
my own comfort.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> Paying for and receiving 2 seats has ALWAYS been an option.
>>
>> Once I had to take a hand made prototype robot to Montreal for a meeting.
>>
>> Because of the size and shape we purchased a second seat for the robot
>> & he sat next to me on the flight. Taking him through Canadian
>> customs was a different story. I had to show them his return ticket.
>>
>> It did create a little commotion, when I belted him/it in.
>>
>>
>> True story.
>
>
> I believe you, but my experience has been different. I don't remember
> how long it's been, but I've been given grief. I've been told that if
> the flight is overbooked, I could end up paying for 2 seats and only
> getting one because my 2nd person didn't show up. I've had airline
> personnel argue with me that I couldn't have a 2nd seat because I didn't
> need it or that I couldn't have 2 seats at the same low price. I
> stopped trying.
>
>
> --Lia
>

This might be a naive question, but wouldn't it be cheaper to go first
class or even business class? The seats are much larger.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Wed 16 Jul 2008 07:08:28p, Janet Wilder told us...

> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>> Dimitri wrote:
>>>
>>> Paying for and receiving 2 seats has ALWAYS been an option.
>>>
>>> Once I had to take a hand made prototype robot to Montreal for a
meeting.
>>>
>>> Because of the size and shape we purchased a second seat for the robot
>>> & he sat next to me on the flight. Taking him through Canadian
>>> customs was a different story. I had to show them his return ticket.
>>>
>>> It did create a little commotion, when I belted him/it in.
>>>
>>>
>>> True story.
>>
>>
>> I believe you, but my experience has been different. I don't remember
>> how long it's been, but I've been given grief. I've been told that if
>> the flight is overbooked, I could end up paying for 2 seats and only
>> getting one because my 2nd person didn't show up. I've had airline
>> personnel argue with me that I couldn't have a 2nd seat because I didn't
>> need it or that I couldn't have 2 seats at the same low price. I
>> stopped trying.
>>
>>
>> --Lia
>>
>
> This might be a naive question, but wouldn't it be cheaper to go first
> class or even business class? The seats are much larger.
>

IME, business class is not appreciably larger. However, many larger people
would fit in a first class seat. Some would not.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wednesday, 07(VII)/16(XVI)/08(MMVIII)
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As a matter of fact, no, I don't have
a life.
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On Wed 16 Jul 2008 07:00:43p, Janet Wilder told us...

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>
>> Gonna blame Lou Decruss for reminding me about this one...
>
> Airline seats are small and cramped enough without having to deal with
> being squeezed further by the superfluous flesh of the person sitting
> next to you.
>
> I have nothing against large people. I just don't like them messing with
> my own comfort.
>

My feelings exactly, Janet. And I don't want to have to fight for what I
paid for.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:13:42p, Steve Pope told us...

>> While I see where you are coming from, sometimes the best approach
>> to a situation is to muddle through, and deal with issues as they
>> arise, rather than having a firm policy.

>> From the airlines' perspective, even with no stated policy,
>> most passengers are not too large for most seats; in the cases
>> where they are, often the seat next to them is empty, they can
>> change seats around to arrange this, or they can move them to
>> business/first, or the passenger next to them might not complain.
>> In a tiny fraction of cases, with no policy, they will have to
>> bump the large passenger to the next flight.

>> Whereas if they had a stated policy, either large passengers would
>> end up having to buy two seats, or a business/first seat,
>> ahead of time; or if they aren't required to do so, they'd
>> be entitled to sit in a coach seat. Either scenario has
>> significant disadvntages to the "muddle through it" approach.

>> It boils down to the airlines have good reasons to handle
>> it the way they're handling it now.

>Having had this situation inflicted on me numerous times, I couldn't
>disagree more, Steve. I simply don't want to have to deal with it, and
>often the airline personnel won't. I paid my money...I am fully entitled
>to the entire seat I paid for.

Of course you're entitled to your seat; that should be a given
and any airline I fly has procedures to remove adjacent passengers
when necessary (for this and for various other reasons).

However I think a policy that requires large passengers to
buy two seats or an upgrade would be a huge overreaction.
It doesn't (in my experience) cause enough problems enough
of the time to warrant this. I guess we are differently
experienced on this point.

Steve

"Billy" <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:08:32 -0700, "Dimitri" >
> wrote:
>
>>Why? drive to your nearest amtrack stop - take the Empire Builder to
>>Chicago then take the "Ciry of New Orleans" to New Orleans.
>
> Let's do that in two hours. You are an idoit.

I don't have to do it in 2 hours anymore. You want to fly on the puddle
jumpers with underpaid novice pilots go right ahead.


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

Gloria P wrote:

> As far as baggage, you wouldn't believe the size of the bags people are
> trying to carry on, or the number of them. Loading and unloading the
> planes will take forever with all the oversized excess bags. (Doesn't a
> dog in a soft-side carrier count as one bag?)

There are many suitcases in our closets that now exceed the acceptable
dimensions. I was shopping at the Samsonite outlet store a few weeks ago
and the woman was trying to push a 29" bag on me. I kept telling her it
was too big for an airplane and she kept saying it was not. Finally she
consulted a little book she had and was amazed that the total dimensions
of any checked bag are 62" (length + width + height). Then she whined
about what were they going to do with all the over-sized luggage.


--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

James Silverton wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:01:07 +0200:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
>> Gonna blame Lou Decruss for reminding me about this one...
>
> I'd vote to have if a fat person pay for two seats if they cannot get
> in and put the arm rest down. On the other hand, airlines are far from
> generous with space.

Some of them can get the arm rests down but the fat leaks out from
underneath. :-)

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Wed 16 Jul 2008 07:18:08p, Steve Pope told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>>On Wed 16 Jul 2008 03:13:42p, Steve Pope told us...
>
>>> While I see where you are coming from, sometimes the best approach
>>> to a situation is to muddle through, and deal with issues as they
>>> arise, rather than having a firm policy.
>
>>> From the airlines' perspective, even with no stated policy, most
>>> passengers are not too large for most seats; in the cases where they
>>> are, often the seat next to them is empty, they can change seats
>>> around to arrange this, or they can move them to business/first, or
>>> the passenger next to them might not complain. In a tiny fraction of
>>> cases, with no policy, they will have to bump the large passenger to
>>> the next flight.
>
>>> Whereas if they had a stated policy, either large passengers would
>>> end up having to buy two seats, or a business/first seat, ahead of
>>> time; or if they aren't required to do so, they'd be entitled to sit
>>> in a coach seat. Either scenario has significant disadvntages to the
>>> "muddle through it" approach.
>
>>> It boils down to the airlines have good reasons to handle it the way
>>> they're handling it now.
>
>>Having had this situation inflicted on me numerous times, I couldn't
>>disagree more, Steve. I simply don't want to have to deal with it, and
>>often the airline personnel won't. I paid my money...I am fully entitled
>>to the entire seat I paid for.
>
> Of course you're entitled to your seat; that should be a given
> and any airline I fly has procedures to remove adjacent passengers
> when necessary (for this and for various other reasons).

If the airline personnel *had* taken care of it, I wouldn't have had a
problem. They failed to do so on several occasions. It was quite
uncomfortable.

> However I think a policy that requires large passengers to
> buy two seats or an upgrade would be a huge overreaction.
> It doesn't (in my experience) cause enough problems enough
> of the time to warrant this. I guess we are differently
> experienced on this point.
>
> Steve
>

Yes, I think personal experience dictates one's viewpoint.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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serving it.
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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> Julia Altshuler wrote:

<snip>

>
> This might be a naive question, but wouldn't it be cheaper to go first
> class or even business class? The seats are much larger.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> Good Friends. Good Life

Usually not for a last minute first can be 4 to 5 times the going coach
rate.

The best bet is to fly lots and purchase upgrade points.

Then first is not too bad.

I frequently got upgraded on the last flight from DFW to BUR - I think the
up charge was $100.00 which is why I flew out of BUR.

They served an adequate dinner but best of all there were hagen dazs hot
fudge Sundays for dessert. It was a great flight.



--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

"sf" wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:42:34 -0400, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>> As you know, we need to be able to get up and move around. Airlines
>>> should be held liable for the medical issues we encounter due to being
>>> confined in such close quarters for far too long.
>>
>>Probably only if you can prove you didn't have those issues up to the
>>minute you stepped onto the plane. How can that possibly be done?
>
> It's harder and harder to fly due to cramped quarters and blocked
> isles, yet people of all ages are told to get up and move around for
> medical reasons. Airlines are exacerbating the problem by limiting
> our movement. At the very least isles need to be widened to permit
> free movement... even if it's to the bathroom.
>

Then to make matters worse to save fuel they stopped using the APU to filter
and change the air in the cabin - ergo you might as well swap spit with
everyone else on the plane.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_Power_Unit



--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
m...
>
> Dimitri wrote:
>
>> "sf" wrote:
>
>> > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:21:12 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>The only place Business Class matters is on International Flights.
>> >
>> > Please believe me when I say BTDT business international. The biggest
>> > difference I saw was business got individual cd players, economy
>> > didn't. We also had double seats, no triples... but I wouldn't bet
>> > money that they were any more spacious than economy in width or
>> > distance between rows. Like I said, it's closer (physically) to first
>> > class, that's about it. I think of Business as the buffer zone
>> > between 1st class and the great unwashed in economy.
>> >>
>> >>Do I sound bitter? The reason? I am bitter.
>> >
>> > I remember "the good old days" too. They weren't called airships for
>> > nothing! I have a picture on the wall of my grandparents going
>> > "somewhere", red carpet treatment and all.
>> > http://i35.tinypic.com/2cr4w8k.jpg
>>
>>
>> That is when people dressed to travel.
>>
>>
>> Do you remember the Piano Bar on the Continental LA to Chicago DC 10's?
>>
>> That's when you could move around play cards and get a little hammered.
>>
>> The Proud Bird with the Golden Tail.
>>
>> :-)
>
>
> Yep, I flew out to LA on that c. 1980...
>
> They had peanuts too...and IIRC the piano was made out of aluminum, a wood
> piano woulda been kinda heavy even in those fuel - wasteful daze.
>
> Some folks would get kinda lit and start bangin' on that piano...good
> times
> in the sky...!!!

Some folks my ass! Most of the guys I knew got hammered.



> I flew out to the West Coast a few times in the early 80's, I'd always
> choose the flights on the basis of their meals. In American's coach class
> you could special - order a cold seafood platter in lieu of the regular
> entree (and you had a choice of entrees in any case in coach back
> then)...it
> was pretty good.

I joined their Presidents club for 2 reasons:

1. The drinks in the club were FREE
2. if you ever got snowedin in Chicago the club was the best place to
stay. Giant leather sofas & chairs.



>
> Darn, now you got me feelin' kinda old, Dimitri...

Get used to it!

The good part is you have a point of reference - the young ones have no idea
just how much fun we had, and just how badly they are being SCREWED today

:-)


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

On Wed 16 Jul 2008 07:25:14p, Janet Wilder told us...

> James Silverton wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:01:07 +0200:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>
>>> Gonna blame Lou Decruss for reminding me about this one...
>>
>> I'd vote to have if a fat person pay for two seats if they cannot get
>> in and put the arm rest down. On the other hand, airlines are far from
>> generous with space.
>
> Some of them can get the arm rests down but the fat leaks out from
> underneath. :-)
>

Yes, it does, or over the top. Guess it's got to go somewhere. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright
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"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:B3ufk.329$gH4.145@trnddc05...
> Gregory wrote on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:52:33 -0500:
>

<SNIP>

>
> Considerable clipping but I wonder how much you'd personally pay for those
> amenities? The luxury I remember was usually paid for by expense
> account. I wonder what I would expect if I were to pay something more, say
> 50%, than the usual cattle-car price?
>
> --
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland


When PSA airline first started their fare from any of the San Diego to LA
airports to San Francisco or Oakland was $25.00 round trip.

I was not making a lot of money but we used to run up to SF for Rams 49'ers
game. or for a quick weekend.


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Dimitri wrote:
>
>>> I remember "the good old days" too. They weren't called airships for
>>> nothing! I have a picture on the wall of my grandparents going
>>> "somewhere", red carpet treatment and all.
>>> http://i35.tinypic.com/2cr4w8k.jpg
>>
>> That is when people dressed to travel.
>>
>> Do you remember the Piano Bar on the Continental LA to Chicago DC 10's?
>>
>> That's when you could move around play cards and get a little hammered.
>>
>> The Proud Bird with the Golden Tail.
>>
>
> I love this website- Go look at the section of airline meals from days
> gone by.... lounges with unlimited liquor! Food on real dishes! Menu
> cards! Very nostalgic and kinda sad <sniff sniff>
> http://www.airtimetable.com/airline_meals.htm

I never ate the normal meal 99% of the time AA had a seafood salad.

It was a tomato stuffed with Crab & a Louie dressing and 8 shrimp and some
cocktail sauce. A nice little appetizer before landing & having a nice steak
someplace.

:-)


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

Dimitri wrote:

>
>
> When PSA airline first started their fare from any of the San Diego to
> LA airports to San Francisco or Oakland was $25.00 round trip.
>
> I was not making a lot of money but we used to run up to SF for Rams
> 49'ers game. or for a quick weekend.
>
>

Eastern used to fly an hourly shuttle between Boston and NYC for $25
and IIRC, Boston-DC for $50. I remember flying from Boston to San Juan
with two girlfiends for spring break senior year in college for $150
round trip. Those were the days!

gloria p

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:32:30 -0700, "Dimitri" >
wrote:

>Then to make matters worse to save fuel they stopped using the APU to filter
>and change the air in the cabin - ergo you might as well swap spit with
>everyone else on the plane.

Don't get me started on air quality! LOLOL


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:31:21 -0400, Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom>
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:08:32 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>wrote:
>
>>Why? drive to your nearest amtrack stop - take the Empire Builder to
>>Chicago then take the "Ciry of New Orleans" to New Orleans.
>
>Let's do that in two hours. You are an idoit.

Y'know, you really should keyboard more carefully when you're a)
misspelling an insulting reply; b) your post is only 10 words long; c)
you don't quote enough of your post and Dimitri's reply to understand
that your post to which Dimitri replies is referencing traveling from
Butte MT to New Orleans, LA, which can't be done "in two hours" unless
your mode of transportation requires

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:31:21 -0400, Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom>
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:08:32 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>wrote:
>
>>Why? drive to your nearest amtrack stop - take the Empire Builder to
>>Chicago then take the "Ciry of New Orleans" to New Orleans.
>
>Let's do that in two hours. You are an idoit.

[Pardon the second post - the original post misfired thanks to an
errant 4 year old who wandered in with evil intent <g>]

Y'know, you really should keyboard more carefully when you're a)
misspelling an insulting reply; b) your post is only 10 words long; c)
you don't quote enough of your post and Dimitri's reply to understand
that your post to which Dimitri replies is referencing traveling from
Butte MT to New Orleans, LA, which can't be done in your "two hour"
window unless your mode of transportation requires congressional
approval; and d) you're teetering on the edge of irrelevancy.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
--
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"




b

Serene Vannoy wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>
>> Gonna blame Lou Decruss for reminding me about this one...
>
> So now the surveys are off-topic, too? Great.

I dunno, Serene. I think that on-topic/off-topic threads are often in
the 'eye of the beholder' around here. I seem to remember a thread that
went on and on about somebody's 'upset stomach' a while ago, and a great
time was had by all discussing various drugs, treatments etc. for it. I
mentioned that I thought it was a tad off-topic (and also that I thought it
a bit of an 'icky' subject to discuss on r.f.c.) I was subsequently
informed by a certain poster that it was still food-related, even if the
food was 'on it's way out'. I must admit I hadn't seen it in quite that
way, but I had to concede that s/he had a point...

Therefore, IMO if diarrhea can be considered food-related so can this. After
all, obesity is often caused by too much food 'going in', is it not?

>
> ObFood:
>
> Got a lovely package in the mail from Barb -- watermelon pickles and
> some Gedney cherry preserves. It was like Christmas in July!
>
> Serene
>
You spoiled brat! I'm jealous ;-)

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

In article >,
Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:08:32 -0700, "Dimitri" >
> wrote:
>
> >Why? drive to your nearest amtrack stop - take the Empire Builder to
> >Chicago then take the "Ciry of New Orleans" to New Orleans.
>
> Let's do that in two hours. You are an idoit.


It can't be done in two hours. What made you think it can? Where did
two hours travel time become a requirement? Who's the "idoit"?

OB Food:
Nut Goodie Bars
Posted to rec.food.cooking by Barb Schaller, 7-17-2008

? 1 square unsweetened chocolate (1 oz.)
? 2 cups smooth peanut butter
? 1 package butterscotch chips (12 oz.)
? 12 ounces milk chocolate chips
? 1 cup margarine or butter
? 1/2 teaspoon maple flavor
? 1/3 cup evaporated milk (5 oz. can)
? 1/4 cup vanilla pudding mix (not instant)
? 2 # powdered sugar
? 2 cups Spanish peanuts

Melt chocolate, peanut butter, butterscotch and chocolate chips. Spread
half of mixture in buttered jelly roll pan. Put in freezer to set. Melt
butter, milk and pudding mix; bring to boil for 1 minute. Add powdered
sugar and maple flavoring. Spread over hardened chocolate and put back
in freezer. Add 2 cups peanuts to remaining chocolate and put on top and
replace in freezer.

--
Yield: 45 pieces

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
rec.food.cooking
Preserved Fruit Administrator
"Always in a jam. Never in a stew." - Evergene

On Jul 16, 2:01 pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> Gonna blame Lou Decruss for reminding me about this one...

Having just got back from 3 days in LA, two 4-1/2 hour flights on the
sardine tins and two small hops up the east coast, I have something to
say<g>.

The short hops weren't bad, since there were enough empty seats to
keep everyone comfortable.

The flight out to LA, I sat next to a football-player type, who had a
very short round lady on his other side. I felt bad for him, but he
didn't say anything, and I just fit into my seat. He and I kept
touching (not rubbing) thighs as there really was no place for us to
put ourselves. I tried spreading out into the aisle, but then I got
stepped on, so that was no fun.

Coming back, I lucked out and the plane was not at all full, so I
again shared an empty seat between me and the foul-mouth by the
window. She did have the courtesy to apologize when she swore about
some kids who were a little noisy.

They offered me "legroom" for an extra $5 when I confirmed my tix.
That's not what I needed.....

And just for the record, how come all the people in First class are
all skinny but they get the wide seats?

maxine in ri, baking bread, doing laundry, and running errands.

Janet Wilder wrote:

>
>
> There are many suitcases in our closets that now exceed the acceptable
> dimensions. I was shopping at the Samsonite outlet store a few weeks ago
> and the woman was trying to push a 29" bag on me. I kept telling her it
> was too big for an airplane and she kept saying it was not. Finally she
> consulted a little book she had and was amazed that the total dimensions
> of any checked bag are 62" (length + width + height). Then she whined
> about what were they going to do with all the over-sized luggage.

They will likely still take it but will charge you extra for it. I had some
visitors from Holland last year. They had only one bag between them and had no
problem on the way over, but they bought some wine to take back with them and
it had to go in stowed luggage. They were four pounds over the maximum
allowable weight. The airline still took it, but charged them $50 extra.
While they were a little over the maximum for one bag they were well under the
total weight they could have taken between them.

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>>
>>> Gonna blame Lou Decruss for reminding me about this one...
>>
>> So now the surveys are off-topic, too? Great.
>
> I dunno, Serene. I think that on-topic/off-topic threads are often in
> the 'eye of the beholder' around here. I seem to remember a thread that
> went on and on about somebody's 'upset stomach' a while ago, and a great
> time was had by all discussing various drugs, treatments etc. for it.

Goddamnit, it's not about FUN it's about following the rules so the petty
order freaks do not blow a gasket! Get with the program!

On Jul 16, 5:48 pm, Gloria P > wrote:

> The trouble is that much of the American public has turned into
> obese, uncouth bozos. They fly dirty, smelly, unkempt, half-dressed
> and don't give a d@mn. They let their children run wild on the plane,
> spewing germs for hours. (Ask me about the munchkin across the aisle
> from me on a flight from Denver to D.C. in January who coughed and
> sneezed without covering his face for four hours, and the five weeks of
> flu I suffered as a result.)

The trip I just took, the attendants came by hourly with at the least
water
(one flight even had cookies! All else cost) so I don't recall
hearing all that
much coughing and sneezing. The only person who was truly offensive
was a fellow in a german-language t-shirt who seemed to have finished
a 3-day desert hike just before boarding. The kids were reasonably
well
behaved. I did chat with the mother of the antsy 4-year-old next to
me
about strategies I had used when we went on long car trips with my
daughter at that age, and how we kept her from being a pest.. Made
the
kid a couple of origami toys that helped until she finally fell
asleep.

> Our airlines at DIA now have special double-wide wheelchairs available
> to carry wide loads and they are used frequently.
>
> Instead of charging $15 for the first checked bag, the airlines would do
> better to charge obese fliers by the pound.

As long as the scale they use is set with "zones" rather than pounds.
They already abuse their right to unreasonable search and such.

> As far as baggage, you wouldn't believe the size of the bags people are
> trying to carry on, or the number of them. Loading and unloading the
> planes will take forever with all the oversized excess bags. (Doesn't a
> dog in a soft-side carrier count as one bag?)

Guilty. I have my suitcase that fits in the overhead, and a rolling
shoulder
bag that I can fit my feet around when it's under the seat in front of
me
that is usually overfull. But once I take out the blanket and pillow,
it's fine,
[OB Food]
and it's smaller at the end of the flight when I've eaten the meal I
took with
me as well.

> Aaaaargh.
>
> gloria p

We've lost our respect for each other and authority. A little
civility on all
sides would solve many of these problems.

Or we could try the Japanese method: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3vaktn

maxine in ri

On Jul 16, 6:38 pm, Goomba > wrote:
> Dimitri wrote:
> >> I remember "the good old days" too. They weren't called airships for
> >> nothing! I have a picture on the wall of my grandparents going
> >> "somewhere", red carpet treatment and all.
> >>http://i35.tinypic.com/2cr4w8k.jpg
>
> > That is when people dressed to travel.
>
> > Do you remember the Piano Bar on the Continental LA to Chicago DC 10's?
>
> > That's when you could move around play cards and get a little hammered.
>
> > The Proud Bird with the Golden Tail.
>
> I love this website- Go look at the section of airline meals from days
> gone by.... lounges with unlimited liquor! Food on real dishes! Menu
> cards! Very nostalgic and kinda sad <sniff sniff>http://www.airtimetable.com/airline_meals.htm

Flying was also a luxury then, something most people couldn't
afford.

maxine in ri

Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
> Size and weight is not just a matter of obesity. Some people are bigger
> than others and people from some cultures tend to be smaller than others.
> People from China and Japan would probably have lots of room in the seats
> on that Air Transat flight I took, but most North American men would find
> it cramped. It is not unusual for reasonably fit NA men to be 6 feet tall
> and weigh more close to 250, and weighing less than 150 does not mean
> someone is skinny.


This is an excellent point, and I think, the heart of the matter. We
all love to complain about obese people when we think they have a choice
as to whether or not they want to be fat. (Clue: They generally
don't.) But it's a matter of size. Football players are tall and large
too. It's all muscle, but it doesn't fit in the seat either. I don't
care why a person is large; I don't want them in my seat. It's still up
to the airline to make sure everyone has an adequate safe seat.


--Lia

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I think that's overthinking the question ... I don't think anyone cares
> what other people pay until that person is taking up half their seat.
> I don't think the question was Look around at other aisles and see
> if any overweight people are too big for their seat. I think the question
> was Is someone taking up *your* space, even if the question wasn't
> phrased perfectly that way.


This isn't the first time I've been told I'm overthinking or
interpreting words differently from everyone else. It's something I've
learned to live with. I think I'm being clear, when everyone else
thinks I'm crazy.


To me, the question of whether one person should be allowed to spill
over into someone else's seat is so obvious as not to need to be asked.
No one likes it.


I'm reminded of several years ago when the question was babies. Parents
save money by saying their infants and toddlers will ride in their laps.
The result is that the people sitting next to them put up with baby
noise, baby kicking, and baby spilling over into the next seat. I was
appalled. Gee, can I say that my boyfriend and are both thin so we'll
save money by sharing a seat, then take half of yours?


I imagined one of the airlines advertising that they were requiring all
babies, no matter how small, to have their own seat which they'd be
safely buckled into in a car seat type contraption. I figured that the
cheap parents would be outraged and go to another airline. Meanwhile,
everyone else would flood that airline with business.


--Lia

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> This might be a naive question, but wouldn't it be cheaper to go first
> class or even business class? The seats are much larger.


It really depends on the flight, the plane, and what sort of deal you
were able to swing when buying tickets. Sometimes you can get an
awfully good price such that 2 coach cost less than 1 first class.


--Lia

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:01:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
>Gonna blame Lou Decruss for reminding me about this one...

Thanks for the survey Cathy. I've enjoyed reading the comments.

Lou

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:04:11 -0700, sf wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:32:30 -0700, "Dimitri" >
>wrote:
>
>>Then to make matters worse to save fuel they stopped using the APU to filter
>>and change the air in the cabin - ergo you might as well swap spit with
>>everyone else on the plane.
>
>Don't get me started on air quality! LOLOL

The air quality automatically decreases when there's a 300 pound
tubbie next to you.

Lou

Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> I think that's overthinking the question ... I don't think anyone
>> cares what other people pay until that person is taking up half
>> their seat.
>> I don't think the question was Look around at other aisles and see
>> if any overweight people are too big for their seat. I think the
>> question was Is someone taking up *your* space, even if the question
>> wasn't phrased perfectly that way.
>
>
> This isn't the first time I've been told I'm overthinking or
> interpreting words differently from everyone else. It's something
> I've learned to live with. I think I'm being clear, when everyone
> else thinks I'm crazy.

Oh, you were clear and I don't think you're crazy. (laugh)
I was only responding to you thinking it wasn't anyone's
business but the airline and the person who took up two
seats what they were charged.

> To me, the question of whether one person should be allowed to spill
> over into someone else's seat is so obvious as not to need to be
> asked. No one likes it.

I think it's obvious people weren't talking about people who
were seated elsewhere and not affecting their comfort. Same
question, two different angles.

>I imagined one of the airlines advertising that they were requiring all
>babies, no matter how small, to have their own seat which they'd be
>safely buckled into in a car seat type contraption. I figured that the
>cheap parents would be outraged and go to another airline. Meanwhile,
>everyone else would flood that airline with business.

That just cracked me up.

nancy