Cheryl wrote:
>
> They eat a seed mix that now I know isn't the best. It has oats and
> also has cereal similar to corn flakes, but it has a few peanuts
> and sunflower seeds and I know those should only be for rare
> treats. I might make their food when this mix is finished up.
> Someone on a group I found about mice makes a mix that includes dog
> food.

I've had pet rats for almost 2.5 years now; they scratch and groom a lot,
too. I feed my rats whatever part of what I'm eating. I will make a meal
with the rats in mind - not kidding! The little furballs don't care for
meat at all, but they love beans, corn, peas, potatoes, rice, pasta, cheese,
cereal and of course, candy. (Which I give them as a treat about once a
month. Tootsie rolls to be exact. And I don't even have to unwrap them.
Somehow they know how to do it on their own.)

I've tried feeding them pellets (an expensive waste), they won't eat them
and I've tried feeding them cat food which they don't eat, either and they
don't eat bread. So, I feed my little critters people food. As long as
there isn't any meat in their food, they go to town.

My husband says I'm making them fat, but heck, they're healthy, they're
alive and Mickey has got to be at least 3.5 years old, now. They only live
to be 3-4. So, whatever I'm doing seems to be working.

What I was told was to keep rodents on a low protein diet. It works for my
rats. Good luck!

kili

Cheryl > wrote in
:

> They eat a seed mix that now I know isn't the best. It has
> oats and also has cereal similar to corn flakes, but it has
> a few peanuts and sunflower seeds and I know those should
> only be for rare treats. I might make their food when this
> mix is finished up. Someone on a group I found about mice
> makes a mix that includes dog food.

the seed mix is a good treat. the corn flake type things may
be rolled corn.
mice do like dry dogfood. they steal the dry food out of my
Malamutes dish in the garage. i was cleaning the storage area
in the garage attic & found about 10 pounds of dog food
stuffed in cracks & boxes they like the barn cat's food
too, but that's less healthy (too much protein, plus getting
past the cats)
mice also need small amounts of fresh fruit & veggies.
one of my mice lived 9 years, so they can be long term pets
if you treat them well.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

enigma said...

> Andy <q> wrote in :
>
>> Only concern is that it's finished free-range, not finished
>> housed grain fed for the final six months.
>
> do you know *anyone* that finishes bison "housed & grain fed"?
> because that would be a pretty expensive proposition, building
> a barn that could hold bison. just fencing bison pasture costs
> a small fortune, because regular stock fence will NOT keep
> them in. they don't even notice when they walk through it.
> not to mention that bison, being far less domesticated than
> beef cattle (who do very poorly when fed grain) would probably
> die if they were grain finished. they simply cannot digest
> grain.
> so if you know of anyone finishing bison like that, please
> let me know. i'd love to check out their operation.
> lee


lee,

I've only heard about finishing them off, grain fed. Not a witness.

I can taste the difference.

Best,

Andy

"Corey Richardson" `R> wrote in message
...
> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
> from eating underdone burgers?
>
> Not that many, probably...



Not too many.
>
> Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
> rare?

NO!


>
> In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
> done.

Right!


> Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?

No it's that the chain does not want the liability of killing someone with a
compromised or immature immune system.



--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Corey Richardson" `R> wrote in message
> ...
>> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
>> from eating underdone burgers?
>>
>> Not that many, probably...
>
>
>
> Not too many.
>>
>> Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
>> rare?
>
> NO!
>
>
>>
>> In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
>> done.
>
> Right!
>
>
>> Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
>
> No it's that the chain does not want the liability of killing someone with
> a compromised or immature immune system.


True.

There's a place down the road, a sports bar & grill. Winners sports bar.

I first sat down in there with one of my cow-orkers and ordered a bleu
cheese burger, medium rare.

The waiter was a bit of a sissy and said, "Ooohhh,I love that burger medium
rare! Hardly anyone orders them like that."

Quite possibly the best burger I've ever had.

He was a great waiter and he got a great tip. Hotdamn! I love a good, med
rare burger.

If the beef is beyond reproach, it can be served rare. If they're serving
shit, it best be cooked to death.


TFM®

TFM® wrote:

>
>
> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> "Corey Richardson" `R> wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
>>> from eating underdone burgers?
>>>
>>> Not that many, probably...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not too many.
>>
>>>
>>> Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
>>> rare?
>>
>>
>> NO!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
>>> done.
>>
>>
>> Right!
>>
>>
>>> Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
>>
>>
>> No it's that the chain does not want the liability of killing someone
>> with a compromised or immature immune system.
>
>
>
> True.
>
> There's a place down the road, a sports bar & grill. Winners sports bar.
>
> I first sat down in there with one of my cow-orkers and ordered a bleu
> cheese burger, medium rare.
>
> The waiter was a bit of a sissy and said, "Ooohhh,I love that burger
> medium rare! Hardly anyone orders them like that."
>
> Quite possibly the best burger I've ever had.
>
> He was a great waiter and he got a great tip. Hotdamn! I love a good,
> med rare burger.
>
> If the beef is beyond reproach, it can be served rare. If they're
> serving shit, it best be cooked to death.

Can anyone tell me the name of that classic dish that is made up with un
cooked minced (ground) beef. It was on British TV the other week.

Dave

Dave wrote:

>
> Can anyone tell me the name of that classic dish that is made up with un
> cooked minced (ground) beef. It was on British TV the other week.
>
> Dave

Steak tartare?

George wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>>
>> Can anyone tell me the name of that classic dish that is made up with
>> un cooked minced (ground) beef. It was on British TV the other week.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> Steak tartare?

Yes, that's the one :-)

What do our American cousins think about eating that, instead of a burnt
burger?

Dave

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:56:36 +0100, Dave >
wrote:

>TFM® wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> "Corey Richardson" `R> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
>>>> from eating underdone burgers?
>>>>
>>>> Not that many, probably...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not too many.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
>>>> rare?
>>>
>>>
>>> NO!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
>>>> done.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
>>>
>>>
>>> No it's that the chain does not want the liability of killing someone
>>> with a compromised or immature immune system.
>>
>>
>>
>> True.
>>
>> There's a place down the road, a sports bar & grill. Winners sports bar.
>>
>> I first sat down in there with one of my cow-orkers and ordered a bleu
>> cheese burger, medium rare.
>>
>> The waiter was a bit of a sissy and said, "Ooohhh,I love that burger
>> medium rare! Hardly anyone orders them like that."
>>
>> Quite possibly the best burger I've ever had.
>>
>> He was a great waiter and he got a great tip. Hotdamn! I love a good,
>> med rare burger.
>>
>> If the beef is beyond reproach, it can be served rare. If they're
>> serving shit, it best be cooked to death.
>
>Can anyone tell me the name of that classic dish that is made up with un
>cooked minced (ground) beef. It was on British TV the other week.
>
>Dave

The one that was on TV the other week (Marco Pierre White) was venison
tartare.

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> George wrote:
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone tell me the name of that classic dish that is made up with un
>>> cooked minced (ground) beef. It was on British TV the other week.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Steak tartare?
>
> Yes, that's the one :-)
>
> What do our American cousins think about eating that, instead of a burnt
> burger?
>
> Dave

I'd rather eat a frog!


--
TFM®
Everyone else's never have defeated my logic!

Corey Richardson wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:56:36 +0100, Dave >
> wrote:
>
>
>>TFM® wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"Dimitri" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Corey Richardson" `R> wrote in message
m...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
>>>>>from eating underdone burgers?
>>>>>
>>>>>Not that many, probably...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not too many.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
>>>>>rare?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>NO!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
>>>>>done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Right!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No it's that the chain does not want the liability of killing someone
>>>>with a compromised or immature immune system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>True.
>>>
>>>There's a place down the road, a sports bar & grill. Winners sports bar.
>>>
>>>I first sat down in there with one of my cow-orkers and ordered a bleu
>>>cheese burger, medium rare.
>>>
>>>The waiter was a bit of a sissy and said, "Ooohhh,I love that burger
>>>medium rare! Hardly anyone orders them like that."
>>>
>>>Quite possibly the best burger I've ever had.
>>>
>>>He was a great waiter and he got a great tip. Hotdamn! I love a good,
>>>med rare burger.
>>>
>>>If the beef is beyond reproach, it can be served rare. If they're
>>>serving shit, it best be cooked to death.
>>
>>Can anyone tell me the name of that classic dish that is made up with un
>>cooked minced (ground) beef. It was on British TV the other week.
>>
>>Dave
>
>
> The one that was on TV the other week (Marco Pierre White) was venison
> tartare.

No. This was very definitely minced (ground) beef. I keep missing MPW.

Dave

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> George wrote:

<smip>

>> Steak tartare?
>
> Yes, that's the one :-)
>
> What do our American cousins think about eating that, instead of a burnt
> burger?
>
> Dave

I have no problem with Steak Tartare. It is often served in some of the
finer restaurants.

One needs to consider and understands how commercial beef is processed

The primary danger in ground beef contamination is e-coli which comes from
the stomach and digestive tract. If the beef is properly sectioned the loin
and sirloin sections from which the meat for Steak Tartare should be made
will never come in contact with that part of the steer.

By the same token if you grind your own beef there is no problem with a rare
burger or a rare steak.


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

TFM® wrote:
> There's a place down the road, a sports bar & grill. Winners sports
> bar.
> I first sat down in there with one of my cow-orkers and ordered a bleu
> cheese burger, medium rare.
>
> The waiter was a bit of a sissy and said, "Ooohhh,I love that burger
> medium rare! Hardly anyone orders them like that."
>
> Quite possibly the best burger I've ever had.
>
> He was a great waiter and he got a great tip. Hotdamn! I love a
> good, med rare burger.
>
> If the beef is beyond reproach, it can be served rare. If they're
> serving shit, it best be cooked to death.
>
>
> TFM®

Hey, TFM®, you took me to Winner's once, and it's the ONLY time in my life I
ever ate an entire burger, remember? I was able to order mine rare.

http://www.winnersgrill.com/pdfs/WinnersMenu.pdf

Decent place.

kili

"kilikini" > wrote in message
. com...

> I've had pet rats for almost 2.5 years now; they scratch and groom a lot,
> too. I feed my rats whatever part of what I'm eating. I will make a meal
> with the rats in mind - not kidding! The little furballs don't care for
> meat at all, but they love beans, corn, peas, potatoes, rice, pasta,
> cheese, cereal and of course, candy. (Which I give them as a treat about
> once a month. Tootsie rolls to be exact. And I don't even have to unwrap
> them. Somehow they know how to do it on their own.)
>
Now who'da thought of Toosie rolls for rats? That must be funny to watch
them unwrap them. Their little hands are almost prehensile so I can see
that! Do they eat the whole thing? I do give the little girls peas, snow
peas (they love!), green beans, fresh corn in tiny amounts, a piece of raw
pasta once (read not to give cooked? Seems the opposite to me but it was a
very small piece), apple pieces, a grape once but they don't like raisins,
but I never thought about some of the other things you wrote. Thanks!

> I've tried feeding them pellets (an expensive waste), they won't eat them
> and I've tried feeding them cat food which they don't eat, either and they
> don't eat bread. So, I feed my little critters people food. As long as
> there isn't any meat in their food, they go to town.
>
> My husband says I'm making them fat, but heck, they're healthy, they're
> alive and Mickey has got to be at least 3.5 years old, now. They only
> live to be 3-4. So, whatever I'm doing seems to be working.
>
I've read that most mice only live to 2 or maybe three years, so you and Lee
(enigma) are amazing care givers to have them live so well for so long.

> What I was told was to keep rodents on a low protein diet. It works for
> my rats. Good luck!
>
I've read that too, about the low protein diet. I'm learning, and they're
fun. I only have them because someone was giving them away on a local
freecycle group, and I was afraid someone with snakes would snatch them up
for dinner. Not many resources so I'm glad you and others helped, even if it
is OT. )

> kili
>

"Corey Richardson" `R> wrote in message
>
> The one that was on TV the other week (Marco Pierre White) was venison
> tartare.

I'd not trust that. Wild game often has lots of trichina.

Cheryl wrote:
> "kilikini" > wrote in message
> . com...
>
>
>> What I was told was to keep rodents on a low protein diet. It works
>> for my rats. Good luck!
>>
> I've read that too, about the low protein diet. I'm learning, and
> they're fun. I only have them because someone was giving them away on
> a local freecycle group, and I was afraid someone with snakes would
> snatch them up for dinner. Not many resources so I'm glad you and
> others helped, even if it is OT. )
>
>> kili

Oh my gosh, that's how I got my rats, too! Freecycle! I wanted to save
them. I knew my husband had rats in the past and loved them, so we picked
them up. It's been a really fun experience. Oh, and I have 3 cats and it
hasn't been a problem. :~)

kili

kili

"Cheryl" > wrote

> I've read that too, about the low protein diet. I'm learning, and they're
> fun. I only have them because someone was giving them away on a local
> freecycle group, and I was afraid someone with snakes would snatch them up
> for dinner.

That's really cool. I wish I could have rats. Problem is, I get too
attached. Anything with a lifespan shorter than a housecat is going to do me
too much damage. I had a hamster when I was 15, and just about died when he
did.

Andy wrote:
>
> Arri London said...
>
> >
> >
> > sf wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:15:03 -0600, Arri London >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:27 +0100, Corey Richardson
> >> >
> >> >sf wrote:
> >> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
> >> >>
> >> >> Because of mad cow and the utter tastelessness of grass fed beef, I
> >> >> ate little to none when visiting (tasted what hubby ordered). The
> >> >> thought of ingesting european beef absolutely grossed me out. Still
> >> >> does.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >LOL...amazing. That's just the way I feel about ingesting US beef
> (other
> >> >than the grass-fed part). Can't even remember the last time I had any.
> >> >Always found it completely tasteless and since it's not tested for BSE,
> >> >won't take that risk here either.
> >>
> >> <snork> There ya go... thank the media and personal taste. Don't
> >> like buffalo either (sorry, Andy).
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > Bison is OK...at least that is still free-range and has (so far) never
> > been fed inappropriately. We buy it occasionally but hardly something to
> > be sought out.
>
> Arri London,
>
> I'm glad we're in agreement. You can bloody rare buffalo without worry.
>
> Only concern is that it's finished free-range, not finished housed grain
> fed for the final six months.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy

It is around here; the pueblos are starting to market their own bison.
No reason to finish it on expensively-grown corn/grains. By
inappropriate I meant the now-banned feeding of ground-up animal parts
to cattle.

cybercat wrote:
> "Cheryl" > wrote
>
>> I've read that too, about the low protein diet. I'm learning, and
>> they're fun. I only have them because someone was giving them away
>> on a local freecycle group, and I was afraid someone with snakes
>> would snatch them up for dinner.
>
> That's really cool. I wish I could have rats. Problem is, I get too
> attached. Anything with a lifespan shorter than a housecat is going
> to do me too much damage. I had a hamster when I was 15, and just
> about died when he did.

Rats are fun. They love to hang out in your pockets and go down into your
shirt. Then they just hang there and sleep. They can learn their names; I
really kind of like them. Why people are so afraid of them, I just don't
get. They're not evil creatures.

It's so fun to feed them because they really love food! I let them out of
their "office" (we don't call it a cage) and feed them crackers or peas and
they happily stumble over and so very gently take the food from your
fingers. They're really sweet. Honestly.

I guess if they're starving and in a sewer they'll take a bite out of a
person, but a tame rat has no interest in meat what-so-ever.

kili

cybercat wrote:
> "Cheryl" > wrote
>
>> I've read that too, about the low protein diet. I'm learning, and
>> they're fun. I only have them because someone was giving them away
>> on a local freecycle group, and I was afraid someone with snakes
>> would snatch them up for dinner.
>
> That's really cool. I wish I could have rats. Problem is, I get too
> attached. Anything with a lifespan shorter than a housecat is going
> to do me too much damage. I had a hamster when I was 15, and just
> about died when he did.

Replying to my own post.....

Mickey's older than Phideaux. It's literally going to put a dent in my
heart when he passes. I love that little guy.

kili