Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
from eating underdone burgers?

Not that many, probably...

Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
rare?

In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
done.

Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?

Corey Richardson `R> wrote:

>Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
>rare?

Not sure; I don't eat at those places, but in slightly nicer
burger chains you can certainly order a rare burger.

>In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
>done.

I think the larger issue here is that Americans often tolerate
public health problems that would cause widespread alarm elsewhere
in the world. In the UK diseases like rabies and plague have
been eradicated; not so in the US.

When in London earlier this year, I noticed some taxis had
painted on their doors: "Warning; you may contract bubonic
plague by riding in this vehicle". This was of course intended
as a joke, a reference to the tourist value of the UK's
long ago history with plague. However in the US people still
catch bubonic plague, and there are frequently plague warning signs
up on hiking trails and in camping spots, so the idea of a fake,
joke plague warning I found a bit unsettling.

Steve

Steve wrote:

> I think the larger issue here is that Americans often tolerate
> public health problems that would cause widespread alarm elsewhere
> in the world. In the UK diseases like rabies and plague have
> been eradicated; not so in the US.

Not like those bastions of public health, Mexico and China.

Bob

Corey Richardson wrote:
> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
> from eating underdone burgers?

Millions get sick every day... however food poisoning is the most
under reported illness there is.

If you grind your own meat while adhering to proper food safety rules
you can eat it as rare as you like, you can actually eat it uncooked
with no risk whatsoever.

Any preground mystery meat must be cooked pretty much medium well...
however to be perfectly safe it really should be cooked well done, as
in grey-dry.

Anyone who eats preground mystery meat for any reason whatsoever is a
certifiable imbecile... it's actually far safer to eat fresh roadkill.

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>
>>Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
>>rare?
>
> Not sure; I don't eat at those places, but in slightly nicer
> burger chains you can certainly order a rare burger.
>
>>In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
>>done.
>
> I think the larger issue here is that Americans often tolerate
> public health problems that would cause widespread alarm elsewhere
> in the world. In the UK diseases like rabies and plague have
> been eradicated; not so in the US.
>
> When in London earlier this year, I noticed some taxis had
> painted on their doors: "Warning; you may contract bubonic
> plague by riding in this vehicle". This was of course intended
> as a joke, a reference to the tourist value of the UK's
> long ago history with plague. However in the US people still
> catch bubonic plague, and there are frequently plague warning signs
> up on hiking trails and in camping spots, so the idea of a fake,
> joke plague warning I found a bit unsettling.
>
> Steve

Yes, we have pet rats and we are nearly consumed with the plague.

TFM®

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> Corey Richardson wrote:
>> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
>> from eating underdone burgers?
>
> Millions get sick every day... however food poisoning is the most
> under reported illness there is.
>
> If you grind your own meat while adhering to proper food safety rules
> you can eat it as rare as you like, you can actually eat it uncooked
> with no risk whatsoever.
>
> Any preground mystery meat must be cooked pretty much medium well...
> however to be perfectly safe it really should be cooked well done, as
> in grey-dry.
>
> Anyone who eats preground mystery meat for any reason whatsoever is a
> certifiable imbecile... it's actually far safer to eat fresh roadkill.
>

I have done both and I find the fresh roadkill to be favorable.


TFM®

"Corey Richardson" `R> wrote in message
...
> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
> from eating underdone burgers?
>
> Not that many, probably...
>
> Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
> rare?
>

Just thought id mention that Denny's(at least the Denny's I go to) wont
cook any burger med rare.
My friend tried to order that way they cited health risk and declined. he
had to order it medium.

Shawn Hirn said...

> In article >,
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>> > I think the larger issue here is that Americans often tolerate
>> > public health problems that would cause widespread alarm elsewhere
>> > in the world. In the UK diseases like rabies and plague have
>> > been eradicated; not so in the US.
>>
>> Not like those bastions of public health, Mexico and China.
>
> The UK is no paragon either, what with their Mad Cow disease.


Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.

Andy
Eating bloody rare buffalo. No problems.

On Jul 17, 6:14*am, Andy <q> wrote:

> Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.

Yersina pestis infections (usually contracted by contact with mouse
feces)
still occur, but with modern antibiotics we don't see epidemics of
it. IIRC
it's a problem mainly in the Southwest.

Cindy Hamilton

Sheldon wrote:
> Corey Richardson wrote:
>> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
>> from eating underdone burgers?
>
> Millions get sick every day... however food poisoning is the most
> under reported illness there is.
>
> If you grind your own meat while adhering to proper food safety rules
> you can eat it as rare as you like, you can actually eat it uncooked
> with no risk whatsoever.
>
> Any preground mystery meat must be cooked pretty much medium well...
> however to be perfectly safe it really should be cooked well done, as
> in grey-dry.
>
> Anyone who eats preground mystery meat for any reason whatsoever is a
> certifiable imbecile... it's actually far safer to eat fresh roadkill.
>

I've been eating preground mystery meat almost everyday all my life and
never gotten sick from it. So I guess that makes me a certifiable
imbecile for never getting sick.

On Jul 16, 8:56*pm, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
> Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
> from eating underdone burgers?

Actually, we've just had a multi-state outbreak of E. coli. Here's
some info:
http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/outbreaks.html
Looks like no deaths this time...

And, as someone else mentioned, a lot of cases go unreported.

Cindy Hamilton

> Not that many, probably...
>
> Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
> rare?
>
> In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
> done.
>
> Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 17, 6:14 am, Andy <q> wrote:

> Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.

Yersina pestis infections (usually contracted by contact with mouse
feces)
still occur, but with modern antibiotics we don't see epidemics of
it. IIRC
it's a problem mainly in the Southwest.

Cindy Hamilton

I think you might be confusing two diseases. The one that's usually
contracted from mouse droppings and mostly in the southwest is hantavirus.
The plague in the US is mainly in prairie dogs. The plagues, bubonic,
pneumonic and septicemic are usually transmitted by fleas.

Ms P

On Jul 17, 12:21*am, " >
wrote:
> On Jul 17, 12:11 pm, Sheldon > wrote:
>
>
>
> > .. it's actually far safer to eat fresh roadkill.
>
> As Larry said; " the 'Catch of the Day' on RT.89" * (Well, he actually
> said I-89 but our UK cousins wouldn't know that goes through Vermont.)
>
> If you hit and kill a deer while driving, the game wardens (who must
> be notified to remove the carcass) will often donate the deer (if the
> internal organs haven't been mauled) to a needy family. That can
> amount to 75-125lbs of fresh venison.... * Poor Bambi....


Here if you hit it you get to keep it but you do need to report it.

I suspect this has meant some increase in business for the autobody
shops but the venision is usually pretty tasty.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

Andy <q> wrote:

>Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.

There are about 15 human cases per year in the Western U.S., most
of which get officially reported resulting in an official
national average of about 10 cases per year.

Plague is endemic, or in some cases epidemic among some
wild animal populations. The last true human epidemic
was in southern California in the 1920's.

A typical transmission scenario is someone decides it'd
be cute to feed the squirrels running around their campsite.

During the Toxic Shock scare, some cases of plague in
women were mis-diagnosed as toxic shock, particularly
in places like Lake Tahoe where plague is prevalent but some
doctors decided there was a "cluster" of TSS among
women in Tahoe.

Steve

Scott > wrote:

>Sheldon wrote:

>I've been eating preground mystery meat almost everyday all my life and
>never gotten sick from it.

Sample bias. If you had died, you wouldn't be here to
post about it.

Steve

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:27 +0100, Corey Richardson
`R> wrote:

>Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
>from eating underdone burgers?
>
>Not that many, probably...
>
>Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
>rare?
No.
>
>In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
>done.
Those burgers are so thin, it doesn't matter how they're cooked. Fast
food burgers are not even close to a gourmet item, so it doesn't
matter how they are cooked. Go to Sliders or Burgermeister if you
want your burgers medium rare.
>
>Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?

Because of mad cow and the utter tastelessness of grass fed beef, I
ate little to none when visiting (tasted what hubby ordered). The
thought of ingesting european beef absolutely grossed me out. Still
does.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

(Steve Pope) wrote:
> Scott > wrote:
> >I've been eating preground mystery meat almost everyday all my life and
> >never gotten sick from it.
>
> Sample bias. � If you had died, you wouldn't be here to
> post about it.
>
> Steve

Plus he doesn't say whose meat... that's the mystery.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Jul 16, 8:56�pm, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>
> > Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
> > from eating underdone burgers?
>
> Actually, we've just had a multi-state outbreak of E. coli. �Here's
> some info:http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/outbreaks.html
> Looks like no deaths this time...
>
> And, as someone else mentioned, a lot of cases go unreported.

To get a small idea of just how many cases of food poisoning go
unreported just check out the antacid aisle at your favorite OTC
emporium and think about how many gallons and pounds are consumed
every day... and then most cases just require an extra ration of TP.
More days of work are lost from unreported food poisoning than all
other minor maladies thst don't receive professional medical care put
together. And of all illnesses attributed to consuming tainted food
pre ground mystery meat is the number one culprit.

People die from consuming spoiled pre ground mystery meat every day..
ALL because of one reason and one reason only, they are imbeciles.
Pre ground mystery meat in one sense is probably a good thing. it
weeds out imbeciles... too bad those who produce and sell it don't eat
it... you can bet your bippee they don't.

Steve Pope wrote:

> I think the larger issue here is that Americans often tolerate
> public health problems that would cause widespread alarm elsewhere
> in the world. In the UK diseases like rabies and plague have
> been eradicated; not so in the US.

Which makes us the stronger race.

Bubonic plague has not been eradicated anywhere. The U.S. comprises
less than 1% of all reported cases of plague worldwide.

-sw

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:04:57 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>People die from consuming spoiled pre ground mystery meat every day..
>ALL because of one reason and one reason only, they are imbeciles.

If they swim in the shallow end of the gene pool, why is their loss
such a problem for you?


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Jul 17, 8:33*am, Cindy Hamilton >
wrote:
> On Jul 17, 6:14*am, Andy <q> wrote:
>
> > Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.
>
> Yersina pestis infections (usually contracted by contact with mouse
> feces)
> still occur, but with modern antibiotics we don't see epidemics of
> it. *IIRC
> it's a problem mainly in the Southwest.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

==========================================
So is hantavirus. For some reason much more prevalent on Native
American reservations.
Lynn in Fargo

On Jul 17, 10:12*am, "Ms P" > wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jul 17, 6:14 am, Andy <q> wrote:
>
> > Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.
>
> Yersina pestis infections (usually contracted by contact with mouse
> feces)
> still occur, but with modern antibiotics we don't see epidemics of
> it. *IIRC
> it's a problem mainly in the Southwest.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I think you might be confusing two diseases. *The one that's usually
> contracted from mouse droppings and mostly in the southwest is hantavirus..
> The plague in the US is mainly in prairie dogs. *The plagues, bubonic,
> pneumonic and septicemic are usually transmitted by fleas.
>
> Ms P

You're absolutely right, and now that you've described it, the details
are
flooding back as if I'd read them yesterday instead of 10 years ago.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 17, 10:12 am, "Ms P" > wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jul 17, 6:14 am, Andy <q> wrote:
>
> > Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.
>
> Yersina pestis infections (usually contracted by contact with mouse
> feces)
> still occur, but with modern antibiotics we don't see epidemics of
> it. IIRC
> it's a problem mainly in the Southwest.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I think you might be confusing two diseases. The one that's usually
> contracted from mouse droppings and mostly in the southwest is hantavirus.
> The plague in the US is mainly in prairie dogs. The plagues, bubonic,
> pneumonic and septicemic are usually transmitted by fleas.
>
> Ms P

You're absolutely right, and now that you've described it, the details
are
flooding back as if I'd read them yesterday instead of 10 years ago.

Cindy Hamilton

The main reason I know is I happen to be in place that has both at times. I
know there's been at least 1 woman die from hantavirus from the area,
possibly more and everyone is cautioned not to pick up dead prairie dogs if
they go shoot them.

Ms P

So I suppose steak tartare is also not available ?

Shawn Hirn wrote:

> Denny's is not a fast food restaurant. Also, some states ban restaurants
> from serving hamburger cooked rare.

Sheldon wrote:
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> Scott > wrote:
>>> I've been eating preground mystery meat almost everyday all my life and
>>> never gotten sick from it.
>> Sample bias. � If you had died, you wouldn't be here to
>> post about it.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Plus he doesn't say whose meat... that's the mystery.


I think I just figure out this mysterious illness I've been having all
my adult life that's baffled doctors. Hmmmm...mystery meat...mystery
illness. Thanks Sheldon!

Steve Y said...

> So I suppose steak tartare is also not available ?
>
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
>> Denny's is not a fast food restaurant. Also, some states ban restaurants
>> from serving hamburger cooked rare.


Homemade buffalo tartare is entirely, absolutely excellent.

Andy
Still alive and bloody rare!

Andy wrote:

> Steve Y said...
>
>> So I suppose steak tartare is also not available ?
>>
>> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>>
>>> Denny's is not a fast food restaurant. Also, some states ban restaurants
>>> from serving hamburger cooked rare.
>
>
> Homemade buffalo tartare is entirely, absolutely excellent.

Joo just have that? I think I remember you mentioning picking up some
bison in the last day or two...


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Andy wrote:
>
> Shawn Hirn said...
>
> > In article >,
> > "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
> >
> >> Steve wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think the larger issue here is that Americans often tolerate
> >> > public health problems that would cause widespread alarm elsewhere
> >> > in the world. In the UK diseases like rabies and plague have
> >> > been eradicated; not so in the US.
> >>
> >> Not like those bastions of public health, Mexico and China.
> >
> > The UK is no paragon either, what with their Mad Cow disease.

At least cattle in the UK are tested. They are not in the US.

>
> Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.
>
> Andy
> Eating bloody rare buffalo. No problems.


Endemic rather than epidemic. Cases of plague in NM and environs *every*
year. Along with Hanta virus, West Nile, rabies... Welcome to 'The Land
of Enchantment'...get vaccinated prior to crossing the border LOL.

Ms P wrote:
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Jul 17, 6:14 am, Andy <q> wrote:
>
> > Plague in the US?!? What plague?!? No epidemic here that I know of.
>
> Yersina pestis infections (usually contracted by contact with mouse
> feces)
> still occur, but with modern antibiotics we don't see epidemics of
> it. IIRC
> it's a problem mainly in the Southwest.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I think you might be confusing two diseases. The one that's usually
> contracted from mouse droppings and mostly in the southwest is hantavirus.
> The plague in the US is mainly in prairie dogs. The plagues, bubonic,
> pneumonic and septicemic are usually transmitted by fleas.
>
> Ms P

She isn't confusing anything. Plague in humans still occurs in the US
Southwest, transmitted by fleas which have bitten infected animals.
Someone from NM who contracted plague near his home nearly died in New
York because the doctors there had never seen a case of plague and
couldn't diagnose it quickly enough. The docs around here in NM are more
familiar with it and Hanta virus, so usually caught earlier.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:27 +0100, Corey Richardson
> `R> wrote:
>
> >Thinking about it, how many people *actually* die or get ill in the US
> >from eating underdone burgers?
> >
> >Not that many, probably...
> >
> >Can you actually specify at US BK's, McDonalds that you want your burger
> >rare?
> No.
> >
> >In the UK, they (the FSA) *demand* that burgers are only served well
> >done.
> Those burgers are so thin, it doesn't matter how they're cooked. Fast
> food burgers are not even close to a gourmet item, so it doesn't
> matter how they are cooked. Go to Sliders or Burgermeister if you
> want your burgers medium rare.
> >
> >Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
>
> Because of mad cow and the utter tastelessness of grass fed beef, I
> ate little to none when visiting (tasted what hubby ordered). The
> thought of ingesting european beef absolutely grossed me out. Still
> does.
>
>

LOL...amazing. That's just the way I feel about ingesting US beef (other
than the grass-fed part). Can't even remember the last time I had any.
Always found it completely tasteless and since it's not tested for BSE,
won't take that risk here either.

"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Ms P wrote:
>
>> I think you might be confusing two diseases. The one that's usually
>> contracted from mouse droppings and mostly in the southwest is
>> hantavirus.
>> The plague in the US is mainly in prairie dogs. The plagues, bubonic,
>> pneumonic and septicemic are usually transmitted by fleas.
>>
>> Ms P
>
> She isn't confusing anything. Plague in humans still occurs in the US
> Southwest, transmitted by fleas which have bitten infected animals.
> Someone from NM who contracted plague near his home nearly died in New
> York because the doctors there had never seen a case of plague and
> couldn't diagnose it quickly enough. The docs around here in NM are more
> familiar with it and Hanta virus, so usually caught earlier.

Can this be transmitted by pet mice anywhere in the US? I don't see any
evidence of fleas in my pet mice but I've only had them since March. They
groom themselves a lot (2 females) and seem itchy, but I pick them up often
and haven't found any fleas or mites on them.

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Scott > wrote:
>
> >Sheldon wrote:
>
> >I've been eating preground mystery meat almost everyday all my life and
> >never gotten sick from it.
>
> Sample bias. If you had died, you wouldn't be here to
> post about it.
>
> Steve

Wrong. because if people died, everyone would also know about it. There is
no bias.

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:15:03 -0600, Arri London >
wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:27 +0100, Corey Richardson
>
>sf wrote:
>>
<snip>
>> >
>> >Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
>>
>> Because of mad cow and the utter tastelessness of grass fed beef, I
>> ate little to none when visiting (tasted what hubby ordered). The
>> thought of ingesting european beef absolutely grossed me out. Still
>> does.
>>
>
>LOL...amazing. That's just the way I feel about ingesting US beef (other
>than the grass-fed part). Can't even remember the last time I had any.
>Always found it completely tasteless and since it's not tested for BSE,
>won't take that risk here either.

<snork> There ya go... thank the media and personal taste. Don't
like buffalo either (sorry, Andy).



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf said...

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:15:03 -0600, Arri London >
> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:27 +0100, Corey Richardson
>>
>>sf wrote:
>>>
> <snip>
>>> >
>>> >Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
>>>
>>> Because of mad cow and the utter tastelessness of grass fed beef, I
>>> ate little to none when visiting (tasted what hubby ordered). The
>>> thought of ingesting european beef absolutely grossed me out. Still
>>> does.
>>>
>>
>>LOL...amazing. That's just the way I feel about ingesting US beef (other
>>than the grass-fed part). Can't even remember the last time I had any.
>>Always found it completely tasteless and since it's not tested for BSE,
>>won't take that risk here either.
>
> <snork> There ya go... thank the media and personal taste. Don't
> like buffalo either (sorry, Andy).


GO TO BED!!!

"Cheryl" > wrote in
:

> Can this be transmitted by pet mice anywhere in the US? I
> don't see any evidence of fleas in my pet mice but I've
> only had them since March. They groom themselves a lot (2
> females) and seem itchy, but I pick them up often and
> haven't found any fleas or mites on them.

are your mice from NM? or do you have wild mice from the
southwest living in your house as well?
hanta virus & plague can only be transmitted to humans by
fleas which have bitten infected animals (oh, hanta can also
be transmitted by breathing the dust raised when sweeping out
infected mouse droppings from a garage or whatever too).
if you've had the mice since March, any fleas would be not
only evident, but overrunning your house by now. one single
flea can become thousands of fleas in less than 2 months.
mice groom themselves a lot, so the 'seem itchy' may be
normal grooming behavior. if they are actually scratching
themselves a lot (with hind feet) i'd have them checked by a
vet. are you feeding them a varied diet or relying on those
nasty lab cubes?
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

sf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:15:03 -0600, Arri London >
> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:27 +0100, Corey Richardson
> >
> >sf wrote:
> >>
> <snip>
> >> >
> >> >Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
> >>
> >> Because of mad cow and the utter tastelessness of grass fed beef, I
> >> ate little to none when visiting (tasted what hubby ordered). The
> >> thought of ingesting european beef absolutely grossed me out. Still
> >> does.
> >>
> >
> >LOL...amazing. That's just the way I feel about ingesting US beef (other
> >than the grass-fed part). Can't even remember the last time I had any.
> >Always found it completely tasteless and since it's not tested for BSE,
> >won't take that risk here either.
>
> <snork> There ya go... thank the media and personal taste. Don't
> like buffalo either (sorry, Andy).
>
> --

Bison is OK...at least that is still free-range and has (so far) never
been fed inappropriately. We buy it occasionally but hardly something to
be sought out.

Arri London said...

>
>
> sf wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:15:03 -0600, Arri London >
>> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:27 +0100, Corey Richardson
>> >
>> >sf wrote:
>> >>
>> <snip>
>> >> >
>> >> >Or is it that UK beef not to be trusted?
>> >>
>> >> Because of mad cow and the utter tastelessness of grass fed beef, I
>> >> ate little to none when visiting (tasted what hubby ordered). The
>> >> thought of ingesting european beef absolutely grossed me out. Still
>> >> does.
>> >>
>> >
>> >LOL...amazing. That's just the way I feel about ingesting US beef
(other
>> >than the grass-fed part). Can't even remember the last time I had any.
>> >Always found it completely tasteless and since it's not tested for BSE,
>> >won't take that risk here either.
>>
>> <snork> There ya go... thank the media and personal taste. Don't
>> like buffalo either (sorry, Andy).
>>
>> --
>
> Bison is OK...at least that is still free-range and has (so far) never
> been fed inappropriately. We buy it occasionally but hardly something to
> be sought out.


Arri London,

I'm glad we're in agreement. You can bloody rare buffalo without worry.

Only concern is that it's finished free-range, not finished housed grain
fed for the final six months.

Best,

Andy

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat 19 Jul 2008 09:08:30a, enigma wrote in rec.food.cooking
> >:
>
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Can this be transmitted by pet mice anywhere in the US? I
>>> don't see any evidence of fleas in my pet mice but I've
>>> only had them since March. They groom themselves a lot (2
>>> females) and seem itchy, but I pick them up often and
>>> haven't found any fleas or mites on them.
>>
>> are your mice from NM? or do you have wild mice from the
>> southwest living in your house as well?
>
> I don't know where they're from. Sorry I missed that the plague is
> only transmittable via mice from NM. I'm not really close to there.
>
>> hanta virus & plague can only be transmitted to humans by
>> fleas which have bitten infected animals (oh, hanta can also
>> be transmitted by breathing the dust raised when sweeping out
>> infected mouse droppings from a garage or whatever too).
>> if you've had the mice since March, any fleas would be not
>> only evident, but overrunning your house by now.
>
> LOL True.
>
> one single
>> flea can become thousands of fleas in less than 2 months.
>> mice groom themselves a lot, so the 'seem itchy' may be
>> normal grooming behavior. if they are actually scratching
>> themselves a lot (with hind feet) i'd have them checked by a
>> vet. are you feeding them a varied diet or relying on those
>> nasty lab cubes?
>> lee
>
> They eat a seed mix that now I know isn't the best. It has oats and
> also has cereal similar to corn flakes, but it has a few peanuts
> and sunflower seeds and I know those should only be for rare
> treats. I might make their food when this mix is finished up.
> Someone on a group I found about mice makes a mix that includes dog
> food.
>
> --
> Cheryl
>

Mice from NM are not the only carriers of plague. Prairie dogs carry
plague. Wild mice from several southwestern states and some midwest states
carry hantavirus. Two entirely different diseases with two entirely
different transmission routes.

Ms P

In article >,
"Ms P" > wrote:

> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> ...

> > They eat a seed mix that now I know isn't the best. It has oats and
> > also has cereal similar to corn flakes, but it has a few peanuts
> > and sunflower seeds and I know those should only be for rare
> > treats. I might make their food when this mix is finished up.
> > Someone on a group I found about mice makes a mix that includes dog
> > food.

> Mice from NM are not the only carriers of plague. Prairie dogs carry
> plague. Wild mice from several southwestern states and some midwest states
> carry hantavirus. Two entirely different diseases with two entirely
> different transmission routes.

We usually have bubonic plague alerts once a year in the foothills of
the Eastern Sierra. I have swept out and camped in old, mouse or rat
infested places in which hantavirus is endemic. I've even been pinged by
a few fleas.
I'm creeped out by kissing bugs (conenose bugs) and ticks, both of which
have had a taste of me. Eeeeeewwwwww!

leo

Andy <q> wrote in :

> Only concern is that it's finished free-range, not finished
> housed grain fed for the final six months.

do you know *anyone* that finishes bison "housed & grain fed"?
because that would be a pretty expensive proposition, building
a barn that could hold bison. just fencing bison pasture costs
a small fortune, because regular stock fence will NOT keep
them in. they don't even notice when they walk through it.
not to mention that bison, being far less domesticated than
beef cattle (who do very poorly when fed grain) would probably
die if they were grain finished. they simply cannot digest
grain.
so if you know of anyone finishing bison like that, please
let me know. i'd love to check out their operation.
lee
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