<sf> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:29:23 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >Years ago a doc gave me guidelines for a gout diet, it was, shall we say,
on
> >the "ascetic" side. Virtually *nothing* was allowed...
>
> Any detailed list of foods containing purine will leave you with
> virtually nothing to eat. Sowwy. You have to pick your battles.
>


Yep, which is why I've had to give up spinach, which is one of my favorite
things...

There are some really healthy foods that are purine - rich, I'm thinking of
pulses/legumes and cruciferous vegetables...for some gout sufferers these
are totally off - limits. I can eat most with abandon, no prob. I know
other folks that cannot even *look* at broccoli or cabbage or whatever or
they'll get a severe attack. Others can eat spinach with nary a care...

Gout can be a very *personal* affliction, as different foods affect people
differently...

I really, Really, REALLY miss sardines, those are bad for me (along with the
spinach) Nothing like a sardine sammich...ix - nay on the anchovies too.

Oh well...

:-|


--
Best
Greg

notbob wrote:

> On 2008-07-22, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>
> > Years ago a doc gave me guidelines for a gout diet, it was, shall we
say, on
> > the "ascetic" side. Virtually *nothing* was allowed...
>
> Yeah, between several "medical" websites and lists on med kiosks at the
> hospital and kaiser, the only remaining foods allowed are dirt and water.
>


Yup, on that particular regime I lost about 15 pounds in two months time...

No caffeine, no chocolate, no spicy stuff, no fatty stuff, no booze, even
vegetables and grains were highly restricted, e.g. no whole - grain
products, etc...

Protein - wise I was limited to broiled chicken breast or bacon, kinda "odd"
abou tthe bacon thang...


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Best
Greg

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> >I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
> >my gout through diet.
>
> You got some amazing pain tolerance then.

I haven't had any significant pain in 8 years.
I have had the occasional warning sign of soreness
just barely perceptible, which I use as a sign
to go on a strict anti-gout diet. Pretty much
every time that happens, it's because I strayed
from my meat-eating guidelines.

> >I especially would not use
> >an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
> >high-risk foods.
>
> I agree that one can be better off addressing such issues with
> diet where possible. But it's unclear whether you can
> *know* you're fully controlling it, since disease progress
> may not be causing overt symptoms.

I've never heard of sub-clinical crypto-gout.
I know fairly accurately how much meat I can
eat in a day. It's about 5 ounces of fresh
meat. I eat about 3 ounces. That's one
sausage, half a steak, or a small piece of
fish.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:48:39 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
>
>
>
><sf> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:29:23 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Years ago a doc gave me guidelines for a gout diet, it was, shall we say,
>on
>> >the "ascetic" side. Virtually *nothing* was allowed...
>>
>> Any detailed list of foods containing purine will leave you with
>> virtually nothing to eat. Sowwy. You have to pick your battles.
>>
>
>
>Yep, which is why I've had to give up spinach, which is one of my favorite
>things...
>
>There are some really healthy foods that are purine - rich, I'm thinking of
>pulses/legumes and cruciferous vegetables...for some gout sufferers these
>are totally off - limits. I can eat most with abandon, no prob. I know
>other folks that cannot even *look* at broccoli or cabbage or whatever or
>they'll get a severe attack. Others can eat spinach with nary a care...
>
>Gout can be a very *personal* affliction, as different foods affect people
>differently...
>
>I really, Really, REALLY miss sardines, those are bad for me (along with the
>spinach) Nothing like a sardine sammich...ix - nay on the anchovies too.
>
>Oh well...
>
>:-|

Stop me if I'm repeating myself, but I have a feeling that the things
you love the most will set it off. I don't know why the food we're
allergic to are also the same foods we crave, but they often are.

Hubby LOVES shellfish, especially scallops - he used to order a shrimp
and scallop combo a couple of times a month at a favorite restaurant.
He's also a huge red meat eater. The kind that gets "nostalgic" for
steak if he goes more than a week without. Cheese! He loves cheese
too. He's not much of a drinker. Drinks at xmas time when friends
come in from out of town. Well... it turned out that any tiny amount
of alcohol combined with scallops set his gout off. Scallops all by
themselves set it off. He hasn't cut out red meat entirely, but now
he eats it only once a week now instead of several times. After years
of almost constant gout pain to one degree or another, he's finally
found a balance where he can eat what he likes in moderation (except
for scallops and booze) and still be pain free. <knock on wood>

He doesn't want to take any more drugs than absolutely necessary on a
full time basis. I'd have gone for the allopurinol as soon as the Dr.
offered it.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Mark Thorson > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> I agree that one can be better off addressing such issues with
>> diet where possible. But it's unclear whether you can
>> *know* you're fully controlling it, since disease progress
>> may not be causing overt symptoms.

>I've never heard of sub-clinical crypto-gout.

"Joint damage progresses and may continue even between flares.
Clinical research suggests that monosodium urate crystals persist
as long as hyperuricemia persists."

http://www.gout.com/professional/gou...ogression.aspx

The risk, I think, is osteoarthritis secondary to gout/hyperuricemia.
One could experience a progressive cartilage deficit in a joint or
joints without symptoms for quite some time.

Not trying to be alarmist, and statements like the above quote
may not be truly evidence-based, just pointing to the possible
benefits of uricemia treatment or, at least, monitoring.

Steve

On 2008-07-22, blake murphy > wrote:

> q: what do you call a quack with a degree?
>
> A: doctor.

Yeah. That's why it's called a "practice".

nb

On 2008-07-22, Mark Thorson > wrote:

> (Other than it's a coin made of certain
> metals that you carry in your pocket. :-)

It's just redundant. I already have my Kinoki foot pads, Q-Ray bracelet,
and magnetic jockstrap. Still working on the tinfoil hat.

nb

notbob wrote on Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:41:19 GMT:

>> (Other than it's a coin made of certain
>> metals that you carry in your pocket. :-)

> It's just redundant. I already have my Kinoki foot pads,
> Q-Ray bracelet, and magnetic jockstrap. Still working on the
> tinfoil hat.

Where's your copper bracelet?

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James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Jul 22, 2:41*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2008-07-22, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > (Other than it's a coin made of certain
> > metals that you carry in your pocket. *:-)
>
> It's just redundant. *I already have my Kinoki foot pads, Q-Ray bracelet,
> and magnetic jockstrap. *Still working on the tinfoil hat. *
>
> nb

Oh well, it works as well as masterbation. ************ don't cost
$20 unless you need the aid of viagra and online porn.

James wrote:
> On Jul 22, 2:41 pm, notbob > wrote:
>> On 2008-07-22, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>
>>> (Other than it's a coin made of certain
>>> metals that you carry in your pocket. :-)
>> It's just redundant. I already have my Kinoki foot pads, Q-Ray bracelet,
>> and magnetic jockstrap. Still working on the tinfoil hat.
>>
>> nb
>
> Oh well, it works as well as masterbation. ************ don't cost
> $20 unless you need the aid of viagra and online porn.

FYI- mastUrbation is the correct spelling. Just in case you're doing it
wrong as well as spelling it incorrectly?

On Jul 23, 12:35*pm, Goomba > wrote:
> James wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 2:41 pm, notbob > wrote:
> >> On 2008-07-22, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> >>> (Other than it's a coin made of certain
> >>> metals that you carry in your pocket. *:-)
> >> It's just redundant. *I already have my Kinoki foot pads, Q-Ray bracelet,
> >> and magnetic jockstrap. *Still working on the tinfoil hat. *
>
> >> nb
>
> > Oh well, it works as well as masterbation. ************* don't cost
> > $20 unless you need the aid of viagra and online porn.
>
> FYI- mastUrbation is the correct spelling. Just in case you're doing it
> wrong as well as spelling it incorrectly?

Well, I guess teacher should have been teaching me spelling instead of
sex.