I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. Even if they were
effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
effective treatment.

The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
like instead of a very restricted diet.

I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
meatless diet.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT), James
> wrote:

>I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
>didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
>meatless diet.

You won't "cure" gout, but you can keep the attacks to a minimum. Try
to figure out what you've eaten before the first twinges of a gout
attack and stay away from it (usually your favorite thing to eat).
For most people booze in any amount is at the top of the list. After
that, start looking at shellfish.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:
>
> You won't "cure" gout, but you can keep the attacks to a minimum. Try
> to figure out what you've eaten before the first twinges of a gout
> attack and stay away from it (usually your favorite thing to eat).
> For most people booze in any amount is at the top of the list. After
> that, start looking at shellfish.


Also look at salmon.


I understand looking for natural cures when the modern medical cure
doesn't work, doesn't work very well, or has unacceptable side effects.
But in this case with gout, my understanding is that there's a new
medicine, one related to naproxen, that works quickly, effectively, and
and safely.


The original poster might go back his doctor for another evaluation.
Gout attacks are so very painful, if my life weren't in danger, I'd do
anything to make the inflammation to go down as fast as possible.


--Lia

l, not -l wrote:
> On 21-Jul-2008, James > wrote:
>

>>
>> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
>> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>>

>
> I agree. At Wal-Mart, Target and all the local (STL) grocers' pharmacies,
> Allopurinol is $4/month or $10/3-months at some; that's cheaper than my
> health insurance co-pay. At that price, I can't see suffering (either with
> gout or diet restrictions) unless there is a contraindication for this
> medication.


Allopurinol is a cheap price to pay for my being able to enjoy shrimp
occasionally.

gloria p

On Jul 21, 11:00*am, James > wrote:
> I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. *Even if they were
> effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
> effective treatment.
>
> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>
> I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. *So far things that
> didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
> meatless diet.

Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
with
carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
will
vanish.

Gloria P said...

> l, not -l wrote:
>> On 21-Jul-2008, James > wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
>>> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>>>
>
>>
>> I agree. At Wal-Mart, Target and all the local (STL) grocers'
>> pharmacies, Allopurinol is $4/month or $10/3-months at some; that's
>> cheaper than my health insurance co-pay. At that price, I can't see
>> suffering (either with gout or diet restrictions) unless there is a
>> contraindication for this medication.
>
>
> Allopurinol is a cheap price to pay for my being able to enjoy shrimp
> occasionally.
>
> gloria p


gloria p,

Yeah, I've got allopurinal too but that would just keep me fat. I don't
mind a restricted diet. Helped me reduce 50+ lbs., rather than eating the
same old gout fat foods.

I do slip up from time to time and boy do I know it!

Best,

Andy
Cursed @ 6'3", 196 lbs.
T2
Gout
High BP

Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
with
carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
will
vanish.


My diet is almost zero carbs, and I don't drink (haven't since I was a
teenager). I'm starting to get gout. I guess you've just proved the OP's
point. -Dave

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:42:55 -0700, wrote:

>
>
>If you have gout get Gout Out!
>
Why haven't I yet heard Billy Mays say that?

--Vic

On 2008-07-21, > wrote:

> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
> with
> carbs.

What the Hell else it there?

notbob wrote on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:39 GMT:

>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol
>> along with carbs.

> What the Hell else is there?

The idea that debauchery produces gout is an ancient one that makes
those that don't have gout feel good:-)

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:uJ4hk.249$oU.101@trnddc07...
> notbob wrote on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:39 GMT:
>
>>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol
>>> along with carbs.
>
>> What the Hell else is there?
>
> The idea that debauchery produces gout is an ancient one that makes those
> that don't have gout feel good:-)
>
> --

Well, I for one think debauchery would make it more worthwhile than eating
too many chicken legs.

James wrote:
>
> I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. Even if they were
> effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
> effective treatment.
>
> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>
> I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
> didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
> meatless diet.

First, gout is a serious condition and you should
be under the care of a doctor. But having said that,
I must admit I've had many gout attacks and I've never
seen a doctor for it.

Drink lots of water, stay off the affected joint, and
avoid the foods that cause gout. (Unless you have
some sort of kidney problem, in which case drinking
water may be the worst thing you can do. Drinking
water is helpful only if you are having no problem
generating and passing urine.)

Gout is caused by accumulation of insoluble uric acid
crystals in the joints, which in turn is caused by
overloading your kidneys with organic nitrogen.
Normally, the kidneys send nitrogenous waste out
of the body as urea in the urine. But when they
get overloaded due to impaired kidney function or
eating too much nitrogen-containing food, the body
has to put that nitrogen somewhere, and it ends up
as uric acid crystals usually in the toes or feet.
(Uric acid is more familiar as the white part of
bird droppings.)

Like frostbite, working the affected tissue causes
the crystals to grind against the tissues, damaging
them. At the FIRST sign of gout, stay off the
affected joints. Otherwise, you will later feel
much more pain.

The foods which contribute to gout are rich in
protein or nucleic acids (or both). At the FIRST
sign of gout, immediately stop eating these foods.
Protein-rich foods are meat, eggs, and cheese.
Egg yolks and ripened cheeses (any aged cheese).
pack a particularly strong gout-producing punch.

Continue to avoid these foods until the gout is
COMPLETELY gone. Some of my worst flare-ups have
occurred by going back to eating meat too soon
after an attack.

By avoiding the gout-producing foods and drinking lots
of water, I've been free of flare-ups for the last
8 years -- longer than any earlier period of my adult
life. Rarely, I get a few warning signs of gout,
but by immediately responding to these signs,
I've avoided any flare-ups since the fall of 2000.
However, gout can be a sign of a much more
serious problem, kidney disease. That's why you
should be checked out by a doctor if you have gout.
In my case, I know that every attack was precipitated
by eating too much meat or cheese. Often, I remember
asking myself whether eating this would cause gout,
as I ate the food I suspected might precipitate
another attack.

It seems that with every flare-up, some permanent
damage is done, making subsequent flare-ups more
likely to occur and more painful.

There is a natural drug used for gout -- colchicine.
The corm (tuber-like enlarged underground stem) of
the crocus is rich in colchicine, but dosage control
is important. You'd be nuts to try to self-medicate
for gout with saffron corms. I would be reluctant
to use pharmaceutical colchicine, because it is
believed to work by inhibiting a fundamentally important
cellular function (microtubule assembly), which seems
like an awfully critical system to mess with if you
can avoid it. (Make no mistake -- the pain can be
intense -- I wouldn't fault anyone for grasping at
any possibility for its relief.)

Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.

Here's a good page about colchicine:

http://www.phc.vcu.edu/Feature/oldfe...olchicine.html

And here's a letter about the critical importance of dose:

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/conte...328/7434/288-c

Mark Thorson wrote:

>
> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
>
> Here's a good page about colchicine:

Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.

Curly

CurlyQue wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
> >
> > Here's a good page about colchicine:
>
> Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.

I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
asked for a natural cure.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> CurlyQue wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
>>>
>>> Here's a good page about colchicine:
>> Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.
>
> I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> asked for a natural cure.

Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
won't go anywhere near it myself.

Curly

CurlyQue wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> >
> > I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> > asked for a natural cure.
>
> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> won't go anywhere near it myself.

I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
my gout through diet. I especially would not use
an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
high-risk foods.

On Jul 21, 3:54*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> CurlyQue wrote:
>
> > Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > > I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> > > asked for a natural cure.
>
> > Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> > with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> > won't go anywhere near it myself.
>
> I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
> my gout through diet. *I especially would not use
> an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
> high-risk foods.

My medication includes colchicine & allopurinol. I didn't have an
attack for years so I stop taking them. My current attack happened
after 3 straight days of all you can eat during father's day weekend.
They had all those sales on steaks and shellfish. I thought I'd try
some of the home cures. Bottom line is for me gout is one disease
that is better treated with colchicine & allopurinol.

James > wrote:

>On Jul 21, 3:54*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:

>> > Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
>> > with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
>> > won't go anywhere near it myself.

>> I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
>> my gout through diet. *I especially would not use
>> an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
>> high-risk foods.

>My medication includes colchicine & allopurinol. I didn't have an
>attack for years so I stop taking them. My current attack happened
>after 3 straight days of all you can eat during father's day weekend.
>They had all those sales on steaks and shellfish. I thought I'd try
>some of the home cures. Bottom line is for me gout is one disease
>that is better treated with colchicine & allopurinol.

Just to add a datapoint, I've now used all three classes of
available drugs for acute gout (NSAID's, colchicine, and
corticosteroids), and for me the colchicine has had *far* fewer
side effects than the steroids, and not that much different in
scale from the NSAID's.

I'm hoping they keep working on COX-2 inhibitors, and/or
the U.S. approves some of the ones that are used to treat
gout elsewhere in the civilized world.

I've also learned, I think, that 6 years between attacks doesn't
mean the condition is not continuing to cause damage that
is not immediately apparent. I retrospectively believe I
should have been on allopurinol all along, and hope to be
able to start it soon.

Steve

On 2008-07-21, Steve Pope > wrote:
> Just to add a datapoint, I've now used all three classes of
> available drugs for acute gout (NSAID's, colchicine, and
> corticosteroids), and for me the colchicine has had *far* fewer
> side effects than the steroids, and not that much different in
> scale from the NSAID's.

Lucky you. While colchicine did work for me, it had brutal side effects,
one so bad I ended up getting a spinal tap from a paranoid idiot doctor.
Colchicine is primarily for knocking down the swelling and pain of a full
blown gout attack. I keep some around just in case but will not take it for
longer that 5 days.


> is not immediately apparent. I retrospectively believe I
> should have been on allopurinol all along, and hope to be
> able to start it soon.

Yes, allopurinol works very well. I been taking it for 10 yrs and haven't
had an attack in all that time, despite eating/drinking just about
everything, including an annual anchovie pizza.

nb

l, not -l wrote:

>On 21-Jul-2008, notbob > wrote:
>
>
>
>>On 2008-07-21, >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
>>>with
>>>carbs.
>>>
>>>
>>What the Hell else it there?
>>
>>
>
>Packaging; cardboard and styrofoam.
>
>
>
>
Best part of McDonalds.

CurlyQue wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > CurlyQue wrote:
> >> Mark Thorson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
> >>>
> >>> Here's a good page about colchicine:
> >> Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.
> >
> > I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> > asked for a natural cure.
>
> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>
> Curly

Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
effects.

Sky, who's no doctor

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

> wrote in message
...
On Jul 21, 11:00 am, James > wrote:
> I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. Even if they were
> effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
> effective treatment.
>
> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>
> I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
> didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
> meatless diet.

Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
with
carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
will
vanish.

Just where did you get your medical degree - from a cracker jack box?


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)


http://www.arthritisinsight.com/medi...ease/gout.html

Causes of Gout
This is one of the few types of arthritis where the cause is known. It
results from deposits of needle-like crystals of uric acid in the connective
tissue, joint spaces, or both. Normally this is a byproduct of the breakdown
of purines or waste products in the body. Normally uric acid breaks down in
the blood and is eliminated in urine. When the body increases its production
of uric acid or if the kidneys do not eliminate enough of it from the body,
levels build up. This is called hyperuricemia. Hyperuricemia is not a
disease and is not dangerous. However, if excess uric acid crystals form as
a result of hyperuricemia, gout can develop.

Foods that Cause Gout

Some people may benefit from a reduction of purine rich foods. These include
beer and other alcoholic beverages, anchovies, sardines (in oil), fish roes,
herring, yeast, organ meats (e.g., liver, kidneys), legumes (e.g., dried
beans, peas, and soybeans), meat extracts, consommé, gravies, mushrooms,
spinach, asparagus, cauliflower, and poultry. Weight loss can help reduce
uric acid levels in those people that are overweight.

Gout Treatment

Although there is no cure, most people with gout can keep it under control
and lead normal lives. Treatment may consist of one treatment or a
combination of treatments.

wrote:

>
> If you have gout get Gout Out!

If you've GOT gout get Gout Out. Now.

--
Cheers,
Bev
================================================== ================
"I used to be convinced that MicroSquish shipped crap because they
simply didn't give a flying **** as long as the sheep kept buying
their shit. Now, I'm convinced that they really do ship the best
products they are capable of writing, and *that's* tragic."
- John C. Randolph, about MS quality control.

Sky wrote:

>> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
>> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
>> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>>
>> Curly
>
> Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
> effects.
>
> Sky, who's no doctor
>
For those unaware, colchicine and allopurinol work in entirely different
ways. One helps you pass excess uric acid out of your body, and the
other works to block production of uric acid, which explains why some
folks take one medication routinely and the other on an "as needed" basis.
I can't say I've actually ever had a patient with toxicity issues to the
cochicine? We used to dose it until they hit the point of gastric
distress (diarrhea).
I'd personally take allopurinol and colchacine before steroids, if I had
gout.

wrote:

>Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
> will vanish.



But, but, but...what does that leave to EAT?

;-)
gloria p

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Sky wrote:
>
>>> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
>>> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
>>> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>>>
>>> Curly
>>
>> Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
>> effects. Sky, who's no doctor
>>
> For those unaware, colchicine and allopurinol work in entirely different
> ways. One helps you pass excess uric acid out of your body, and the other
> works to block production of uric acid, which explains why some folks take
> one medication routinely and the other on an "as needed" basis.
> I can't say I've actually ever had a patient with toxicity issues to the
> cochicine? We used to dose it until they hit the point of gastric distress
> (diarrhea).
> I'd personally take allopurinol and colchacine before steroids, if I had
> gout.

Yea but 100MG of (banned) VIOXX and the gout was gone the next morning.

The only thing the worked that quick and they pulled it.

CRAP!


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

On Jul 21, 10:49*pm, "Dimitri" > wrote:
> "Goomba" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sky wrote:
>
> >>> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> >>> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> >>> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>
> >>> Curly
>
> >> Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
> >> effects. *Sky, who's no doctor
>
> > For those unaware, colchicine and allopurinol work in entirely different
> > ways. One helps you pass excess uric acid out of your body, and the other
> > works to block production of uric acid, which explains why some folks take
> > one medication routinely and the other on an "as needed" basis.
> > I can't say I've actually ever had a patient with toxicity issues to the
> > cochicine? We used to dose it until they hit the point of gastric distress
> > (diarrhea).
> > I'd personally take allopurinol and colchacine before steroids, if I had
> > gout.
>
> Yea but 100MG of (banned) VIOXX and the gout was gone the next morning.
>
> The only thing the worked that quick and they pulled it.
>
> CRAP!
>
> --
> Old Scoundrel
>
> (AKA Dimitri)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What about the swelling?

Gloria P wrote:

> wrote:
>
> >Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
> > will vanish.
>
>
>
> But, but, but...what does that leave to EAT?
>
> ;-)


Years ago a doc gave me guidelines for a gout diet, it was, shall we say, on
the "ascetic" side. Virtually *nothing* was allowed...


--
Best
Greg

"Dimitri" > wrote

> Yea but 100MG of (banned) VIOXX and the gout was gone the next morning.
>
> The only thing the worked that quick and they pulled it.
>
> CRAP!

Wasn't that the stuff giving people heart attacks? I'd rather you
deal with the gout than we lose you.

nancy, selfish

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:29:23 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
>
>
>Years ago a doc gave me guidelines for a gout diet, it was, shall we say, on
>the "ascetic" side. Virtually *nothing* was allowed...

Any detailed list of foods containing purine will leave you with
virtually nothing to eat. Sowwy. You have to pick your battles.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

The Real Bev > wrote:

>If you've GOT gout get Gout Out. Now.

Given gout, get Gout Out.

Nick

On 2008-07-22, Gregory Morrow > wrote:

> Years ago a doc gave me guidelines for a gout diet, it was, shall we say, on
> the "ascetic" side. Virtually *nothing* was allowed...

Yeah, between several "medical" websites and lists on med kiosks at the
hospital and kaiser, the only remaining foods allowed are dirt and water.

nb

["Followup-To:" header set to rec.food.cooking.]
On 2008-07-22, > wrote:
> The Real Bev > wrote:
>
>>If you've GOT gout get Gout Out. Now.
>
> Given gout, get Gout Out.

Screw off! It's a scam by crooks not even reputable enough to be called
quacks.

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2008-07-22, > wrote:
> > The Real Bev > wrote:
> >
> >>If you've GOT gout get Gout Out. Now.
> >
> > Given gout, get Gout Out.
>
> Screw off! It's a scam by crooks not even reputable enough
> to be called quacks.

Oh yeah? What's implausible about the mechanism of action?

http://goutout.com/

(Other than it's a coin made of certain
metals that you carry in your pocket. :-)

Mark Thorson wrote:
> CurlyQue wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
>>> asked for a natural cure.
>> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
>> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
>> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>
> I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
> my gout through diet. I especially would not use
> an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
> high-risk foods.


Different strokes.....

Without braunschweiger sandwiches, my life isn't worth living.

Curly

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:25:17 -0400, "Dave" > wrote:

>Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
>with
>carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
>will
>vanish.
>
>
>My diet is almost zero carbs, and I don't drink (haven't since I was a
>teenager). I'm starting to get gout. I guess you've just proved the OP's
>point. -Dave
>

metabolic diseases are among the most idiosyncratic (or idiopathic, if
you prefer). i hope you find something that works for you without too
much hardship, dave.


your pal,
blake

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:51:39 -0500, Vic Smith
> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:42:55 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>If you have gout get Gout Out!
>>
>Why haven't I yet heard Billy Mays say that?
>
>--Vic

he's too busy shouting about oxiclean.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>["Followup-To:" header set to rec.food.cooking.]
>On 2008-07-22, > wrote:
>> The Real Bev > wrote:
>>
>>>If you've GOT gout get Gout Out. Now.
>>
>> Given gout, get Gout Out.
>
>Screw off! It's a scam by crooks not even reputable enough to be called
>quacks.
>
>nb

q: what do you call a quack with a degree?

A: doctor.

your pal,
blake
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:39 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2008-07-21, > wrote:
>
>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
>> with
>> carbs.
>
>What the Hell else it there?

well, you need some water in the mixer.

your pal,
blake
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Mark Thorson > wrote:

>I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
>my gout through diet.

You got some amazing pain tolerance then.

>I especially would not use
>an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
>high-risk foods.

I agree that one can be better off addressing such issues with
diet where possible. But it's unclear whether you can
*know* you're fully controlling it, since disease progress
may not be causing overt symptoms.

Steve