On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:06 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"Orlando Enrique Fiol" > wrote in message
. ..
>> wrote:
>>>As much as you admire communism, it doesn't work in real life and in fact
>>>failed about 20 - odd years ago...
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>>In the meantime the capitalist market system rulz...and it's a system that
>>>is enabling a larger percentage of folks around the world to live better
>>>lives than at any time in history.
>>
>> How do you quantify this when millions are still starving, drinking
>> impure water and dying of diseases cured in the WEst?
>>
>
>He's only counting the white people.
>

i hear the coloreds are creeping up to four-fifths of a person now.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:03:06 -0700, sf wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other options.
>>>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter what...
>>>
>>>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a chance
>>>to succeed here.
>>>
>>>>but there
>>>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see another
>>>>choice.
>>>
>>>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's just
>>>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There is
>>>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too many
>>>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
>>
>>and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn anyone
>>away? where do you live?
>>
>Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.

then i'd say you city is fortunate and not the norm.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
><sf> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other options.
>> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter what...
>> >>
>> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a chance
>> >>to succeed here.
>> >>
>> >>>but there
>> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
>another
>> >>>choice.
>> >>
>> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's just
>> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There is
>> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too many
>> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
>> >
>> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn anyone
>> >away? where do you live?
>> >
>> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
>
>
>Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless Repuglycans:
>
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
>
>July 30, 2008
>
>U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
>
>By RACHEL L. SWARNS
>
>'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the nation
>'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833 from
>175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
>Tuesday.
>

based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
kiss his ass.

blake

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:50:43 GMT, Orlando Enrique Fiol
> wrote:

wrote:
>>Part of the problem was public transportation and having to rely on friends
>>driving them around. Quite seriously, who wants to drive people around when they
>>are that fat? They destroy upholstery and suspension systems. When you put two
>>people who weigh that much in the back seat of your car the seats and the springs
>>and shock absorbers are overloaded.
>
>As usual, these poor women are painted into a class corner. They're too
>poorly educated to work well paying jobs. They're not physically
>equipped to become construction workers, sanitation workers or truck
>drivers. They live too far away from good grocery stores and need
>friends to drive them around, which is apparently problematic because
>they're too fat. What are such people supposed to do besides lay down
>and die?
>
>Orlando

pull themselves up by their own chins, obviously.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:15:20 -0500, Lou Decruss >
wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:34:49 -0400, "cybercat" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>><sf> wrote in message ...
>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:47:02 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Are you white...???
>>>
>>> You don't need to be white to qualify for Healthy Families, Healthy
>>> Kids or MediCal (which is specific to California).
>>>
>>
>>The average welfare mom is white and in her 20s, living in a rural area.
>>
>
>From he
>
>http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>
>Make sure you read the "however" in the last sentence.
>
>----------
>
>Myth: Most Welfare Recipients Are African American Women
>
>Fact: Most Welfare Recipients Are Children-Most Women on Welfare Are
>White
>
>Children, not women, are the largest group of people receiving public
>assistance. Less than 5 million of the 14 million public assistance
>recipients are adults, and 90 percent of those adults are women (U.S.
>Bureau of Census, 1995). The majority of the recipients are White (38
>percent), followed by 37 percent African Americans, and 25 percent
>other minority groups (Latinos, Native Americans, and Asian Americans)
>(McLaughlin, 1997). However, African Americans are disproportionately
>represented on public assistance because they are only 12 percent of
>the population (O'Hare, Pollard, Mann, & Kent, 1991).

i'm not one for reparations, but you have to bear in mind that blacks
have a disadvantage when it comes to building family wealth, a great
deal of which is owning a home. they are definitely playing catch-up
there for a variety of reasons.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:06 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Orlando Enrique Fiol" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >> wrote:
> >>>As much as you admire communism, it doesn't work in real life and in
fact
> >>>failed about 20 - odd years ago...
> >>
> >> Agreed.
> >>
> >>>In the meantime the capitalist market system rulz...and it's a system
that
> >>>is enabling a larger percentage of folks around the world to live
better
> >>>lives than at any time in history.
> >>
> >> How do you quantify this when millions are still starving, drinking
> >> impure water and dying of diseases cured in the WEst?
> >>
> >
> >He's only counting the white people.
> >
>
> i hear the coloreds are creeping up to four-fifths of a person now.
>


Q: How do you prevent five black guys from raping a white woman?

A: Give 'em a basketball...


;-)

--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

blake murphy wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> ><sf> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
options.
> >> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter what...
> >> >>
> >> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
chance
> >> >>to succeed here.
> >> >>
> >> >>>but there
> >> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
> >another
> >> >>>choice.
> >> >>
> >> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's
just
> >> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There is
> >> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too many
> >> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
> >> >
> >> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn anyone
> >> >away? where do you live?
> >> >
> >> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
> >
> >
> >Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
Repuglycans:
> >
> >
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
> >
> >July 30, 2008
> >
> >U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
> >
> >By RACHEL L. SWARNS
> >
> >'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
nation
> >'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833 from
> >175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
> >Tuesday.
> >
>
> based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
> bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
> kiss his ass.


I'm sorry that you HATE America, blake...


--
Best
Greg

"blake murphy" > wrote

> i'm not one for reparations, but you have to bear in mind that blacks
> have a disadvantage when it comes to building family wealth, a great
> deal of which is owning a home. they are definitely playing catch-up
> there for a variety of reasons.
>

An excellent point.

One reason for many social problems is that their strongly matriarchal
culture must be somehow stuffed into our European patriarchal culture in
order for assimilation to work. It's such a fundamental difference, it just
is not happening.

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:13 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
>>> Pan > wrote:
>>>
>>>>The evil done to the member in your family ( My grandfather was a
>>>>slave) do not give you a right to complain now.
>>>
>>> People have every right to complain, regardless. That is part of
>>> the right to free speech.
>>>
>>>
>>Yep. People have a right to complain even if they have no grounds for
>>complaint.
>>
>
> i'd still rather that folks complained that there is much help for
> these people rather than complain that the people are fat and
> shiftless (colored optional).
>
That's reasonable. As for those who have no grounds for complaint but
complain anyway, when you are president, can you see about outlawing free
speech for the stupid?

"blake murphy" > wrote

>>Blake for prez! After what Bush has put us through, nobody will even care
>>if
>>you don't keep your little blakey zipped up!
>>
>
> frankly, there hasn't been to much demand for it lately, so it
> shouldn't be difficult.
>

Surrrre there hasn't. This is an excellent ploy. That sound you here is the
sound of women hastily packing and heading for DC.

"blake murphy" > wrote

> i would be surprised if in many places they don't just give you a fact
> sheet, list of a.a. or n.a. meetings and a hearty 'good luck.'
>

Probably true. My experience with addiction was my 25-year smoking habit
(age 15-40) and it was humbling. It had almost gotten to the point where I
chose the friends and family members I spent time on based upon whether they
were comfortable with me smoking. Ugh. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED my
cigarettes and still miss them at times, but that was just too much. I've
never allowed a human being to control me and I'm going to let a thing
control me? MM mm. Had my addiction been to an illegal substance, I can just
imagine the problems I might have now.

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>><sf> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other options.
>>> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter what...
>>> >>
>>> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a chance
>>> >>to succeed here.
>>> >>
>>> >>>but there
>>> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
>>another
>>> >>>choice.
>>> >>
>>> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's just
>>> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There is
>>> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too many
>>> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
>>> >
>>> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn anyone
>>> >away? where do you live?
>>> >
>>> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
>>
>>
>>Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless Repuglycans:
>>
>>
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
>>
>>July 30, 2008
>>
>>U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
>>
>>By RACHEL L. SWARNS
>>
>>'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
>>nation
>>'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833 from
>>175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
>>Tuesday.
>>
>
> based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
> bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
> kiss his ass.
>

Leave it to Greg to use this source. It's like citing a society of chimps on
nuclear fission.

cybercat wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >><sf> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
options.
> >>> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter what...
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
chance
> >>> >>to succeed here.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>but there
> >>> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
> >>another
> >>> >>>choice.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's
just
> >>> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There is
> >>> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too many
> >>> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
> >>> >
> >>> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn anyone
> >>> >away? where do you live?
> >>> >
> >>> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
> >>
> >>
> >>Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
Repuglycans:
> >>
> >>
> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
> >>
> >>July 30, 2008
> >>
> >>U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
> >>
> >>By RACHEL L. SWARNS
> >>
> >>'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
> >>nation
> >>'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833
from
> >>175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
> >>Tuesday.
> >>
> >
> > based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
> > bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
> > kiss his ass.
> >
>
> Leave it to Greg to use this source. It's like citing a society of chimps
on
> nuclear fission.


Natcherly you and blake aer blinded by hatred and so CAN'T come up with
anything to refute that news article, mon petit cumsquat..."par for the
course", one must say...


<sigh>


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

cybercat wrote:
>
> Probably true. My experience with addiction was my 25-year smoking habit
> (age 15-40) and it was humbling. It had almost gotten to the point where I
> chose the friends and family members I spent time on based upon whether they
> were comfortable with me smoking. Ugh. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED my
> cigarettes and still miss them at times, but that was just too much. I've
> never allowed a human being to control me and I'm going to let a thing
> control me? MM mm. Had my addiction been to an illegal substance, I can just
> imagine the problems I might have now.
>
>

My wife works at a state psych hospital the "cares" for people who have
done the worst and most violent things imaginable. The state passed a
law that would require the patients to give up smoking. I thought that
the switchover might have some bad outcomes given that it's one of their
few allowed indulgences but everything went smoothly. It seems that in a
controlled environment, it's not too difficult to give up certain
addictions and reach 100% compliance.

"dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
news:P8adnY2WFrQfTw3VnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
> cybercat wrote:
>>
>> Probably true. My experience with addiction was my 25-year smoking habit

> My wife works at a state psych hospital the "cares" for people who have
> done the worst and most violent things imaginable. The state passed a law
> that would require the patients to give up smoking. I thought that the
> switchover might have some bad outcomes given that it's one of their few
> allowed indulgences but everything went smoothly. It seems that in a
> controlled environment, it's not too difficult to give up certain
> addictions and reach 100% compliance.

I could have used incarceration last January when I quit. It might still be
a good idea. Seems cruel to lock them up and take their smokes away,
though.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:45:17 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote
>
>> i would be surprised if in many places they don't just give you a fact
>> sheet, list of a.a. or n.a. meetings and a hearty 'good luck.'
>>
>
>Probably true. My experience with addiction was my 25-year smoking habit
>(age 15-40) and it was humbling. It had almost gotten to the point where I
>chose the friends and family members I spent time on based upon whether they
>were comfortable with me smoking. Ugh. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED my
>cigarettes and still miss them at times, but that was just too much. I've
>never allowed a human being to control me and I'm going to let a thing
>control me? MM mm. Had my addiction been to an illegal substance, I can just
>imagine the problems I might have now.
>

So cybercat did you go into a residential rehab or did you quit on
your own. Or did they give you a list of S.A. (smokers Anon.) and wish
you good luck.

"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:P8adnY2WFrQfTw3VnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
>> cybercat wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably true. My experience with addiction was my 25-year smoking habit
>
>> My wife works at a state psych hospital the "cares" for people who have
>> done the worst and most violent things imaginable. The state passed a law
>> that would require the patients to give up smoking. I thought that the
>> switchover might have some bad outcomes given that it's one of their few
>> allowed indulgences but everything went smoothly. It seems that in a
>> controlled environment, it's not too difficult to give up certain
>> addictions and reach 100% compliance.
>
> I could have used incarceration last January when I quit.

I really, really know what you mean.


It might still be
> a good idea. Seems cruel to lock them up and take their smokes away,
> though.

Yeah, that's the thing. They literally couldn't GET smokes. The test is
quitting when you can get them. And it probably helped that the doctors
could adjust their medicines, too, to addres some of the withdrawal
symptoms.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:40:02 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:51:44 GMT, Orlando Enrique Fiol
> wrote:
>
wrote:
>>>I don't think it is antipathy for the poor as much as it is for these two very
>>>large women who compared their situation to the famines in Ethiopia or Biafra. They
>>>aren't starving. They are gigantic.
>>
>>The daughter described how her sister often helps her out when she runs
>>out of food, which suggests near starvation to me.
>>
>>>The mother has never worked and never finished
>>>high school. She claims to have been left depressed and unable to work since she
>>>was involved in a car accident 17 years ago. Being 40, that means the accident
>>>happened when she was 23, well past the age when she should have finished high
>>>school, and even after leaving school she never worked, even when she could have.
>>
>>Okay, let's just come out and say it: the bitch is lazy. Does that mean
>>we, in the most affluent country on Earth, should leave the lazy to die?
>>
>
>for many people here, the answer is emphatically 'yes.' along with
>the stupid or just plain unlucky people.
>
>charming, no?
>
>your pal,
>blake

No the lazy should not be left to die. Hunger would be an incentive to
get a job.
But if she chooses to die, that is her choice, just as anyone who
committed suicide.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:50:43 GMT, Orlando Enrique Fiol
> wrote:

>
>As usual, these poor women are painted into a class corner. They're too
>poorly educated to work well paying jobs. They're not physically
>equipped to become construction workers, sanitation workers or truck
>drivers. They live too far away from good grocery stores and need
>friends to drive them around, which is apparently problematic because
>they're too fat. What are such people supposed to do besides lay down
>and die?
>
>Orlando

Orlando You are just giving excuses for these woman. Both would be
able to walk to a local fast food joint. It would provide them with a
job, (teens will be going back to school soon, opening up jobs) and a
way to lose weight. So between two eight dollar an hour, and the
husband/father's income they would fare better.
And no they are not expected to lay down and die, They are expected to
stand up, work, and live.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:09:00 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:


>Actually, I think it's even more elegant. The First Nations had no concept
>of ownership, sop consequently the land, to them, was both priceless and
>without any value. However, the concept of ownership andvalue are highly
>prized by the white man (kabloona, to the Inuit) and therefore they are
>using the white man's own tools for assimilation against him. Poetic as
>well as restorative justice.

So when the American Indians sold Manhattan island to the white folks,
they were ripping of the Honkies?
The land had no value, was worthless, and the white man nor anyone
else could own the land?

So the white man shouldn't be ****ed?

"Pan" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:45:17 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"blake murphy" > wrote
>>
>>> i would be surprised if in many places they don't just give you a fact
>>> sheet, list of a.a. or n.a. meetings and a hearty 'good luck.'
>>>
>>
>>Probably true. My experience with addiction was my 25-year smoking habit
>>(age 15-40) and it was humbling. It had almost gotten to the point where I
>>chose the friends and family members I spent time on based upon whether
>>they
>>were comfortable with me smoking. Ugh. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED my
>>cigarettes and still miss them at times, but that was just too much. I've
>>never allowed a human being to control me and I'm going to let a thing
>>control me? MM mm. Had my addiction been to an illegal substance, I can
>>just
>>imagine the problems I might have now.
>>
>
> So cybercat did you go into a residential rehab or did you quit on
> your own. Or did they give you a list of S.A. (smokers Anon.) and wish
> you good luck.

I quit using outrageously expensive nicotine patches that the poor cannot
afford. In addition, for the two months I was on these things, I allowed
myself to have literally ANYTHING I wanted except a cigarette. Chocolate,
expensive seafood, collectibles, trips, etc.

Had I been hungry and dirty and constantly anxious about survival I have no
doubt I would still be smoking. You smug, compassionless prick you.

Giusi wrote:
> "dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:P8adnY2WFrQfTw3VnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
>> cybercat wrote:
>>> Probably true. My experience with addiction was my 25-year smoking habit
>
>> My wife works at a state psych hospital the "cares" for people who have
>> done the worst and most violent things imaginable. The state passed a law
>> that would require the patients to give up smoking. I thought that the
>> switchover might have some bad outcomes given that it's one of their few
>> allowed indulgences but everything went smoothly. It seems that in a
>> controlled environment, it's not too difficult to give up certain
>> addictions and reach 100% compliance.
>
> I could have used incarceration last January when I quit. It might still be
> a good idea.


> Seems cruel to lock them up and take their smokes away,
> though.

I thought so too. Although the state did supply them with
give-up-smoking patches.

OTOH, considering their situation, any problems brought on by smoking
would seem to be minor next to mental illness.

"dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
news:CqmdnfRzQ4GHkAzVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
> Giusi wrote:
>> "dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:P8adnY2WFrQfTw3VnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
>>> cybercat wrote:
>>>> Probably true. My experience with addiction was my 25-year smoking
>>>> habit
>>
>>> My wife works at a state psych hospital the "cares" for people who have
>>> done the worst and most violent things imaginable. The state passed a
>>> law that would require the patients to give up smoking. I thought that
>>> the switchover might have some bad outcomes given that it's one of their
>>> few allowed indulgences but everything went smoothly. It seems that in a
>>> controlled environment, it's not too difficult to give up certain
>>> addictions and reach 100% compliance.
>>
>> I could have used incarceration last January when I quit. It might still
>> be a good idea.
>
>
>> Seems cruel to lock them up and take their smokes away, though.
>
> I thought so too. Although the state did supply them with give-up-smoking
> patches.
>
> OTOH, considering their situation, any problems brought on by smoking
> would seem to be minor next to mental illness.

Except they are on top of the mental illness. I was crazed for a part of
the quitting time. I wanted to throw people under a bus or spit in their
eye. If I were a homicidal maniac, I would have done it. I think I would
have set fire to a nurse, probably. One that smelled of smoke from her
break ciggie.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:41:55 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote
>
>>>Blake for prez! After what Bush has put us through, nobody will even care
>>>if
>>>you don't keep your little blakey zipped up!
>>>
>>
>> frankly, there hasn't been to much demand for it lately, so it
>> shouldn't be difficult.
>>
>
>Surrrre there hasn't. This is an excellent ploy. That sound you here is the
>sound of women hastily packing and heading for DC.
>

i'm in the phone book, i think. be prepared for a casual attitude
towards housekeeping.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:39:13 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:13 -0400, "cybercat" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
>>> Pan > wrote:
>>>
>>>>The evil done to the member in your family ( My grandfather was a
>>>>slave) do not give you a right to complain now.
>>>
>>> People have every right to complain, regardless. That is part of
>>> the right to free speech.
>>>
>>>
>>Yep. People have a right to complain even if they have no grounds for
>>complaint.
>>
>
>i'd still rather that folks complained that there is much help for
>these people rather than complain that the people are fat and
>shiftless (colored optional).
>
>your pal,
>blake

yikes, that should read 'isn't much help.'

ypb

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:40:01 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:13 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Pan > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The evil done to the member in your family ( My grandfather was a
>>>>>slave) do not give you a right to complain now.
>>>>
>>>> People have every right to complain, regardless. That is part of
>>>> the right to free speech.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Yep. People have a right to complain even if they have no grounds for
>>>complaint.
>>>
>>
>> i'd still rather that folks complained that there is much help for
>> these people rather than complain that the people are fat and
>> shiftless (colored optional).
>>
>That's reasonable. As for those who have no grounds for complaint but
>complain anyway, when you are president, can you see about outlawing free
>speech for the stupid?
>

nah. i'm pretty much a free speech absolutist. that we have such a
right specifically enumerated is a fairly rare thing.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:21:28 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
>blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> ><sf> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
>options.
>> >> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter what...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
>chance
>> >> >>to succeed here.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>but there
>> >> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
>> >another
>> >> >>>choice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's
>just
>> >> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There is
>> >> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too many
>> >> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
>> >> >
>> >> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn anyone
>> >> >away? where do you live?
>> >> >
>> >> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
>> >
>> >
>> >Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
>Repuglycans:
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
>> >
>> >July 30, 2008
>> >
>> >U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
>> >
>> >By RACHEL L. SWARNS
>> >
>> >'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
>nation
>> >'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833 from
>> >175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
>> >Tuesday.
>> >
>>
>> based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
>> bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
>> kiss his ass.
>
>
>I'm sorry that you HATE America, blake...

george bush is *not* america. yutz.

blake

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:24 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
>cybercat wrote:
>
>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >><sf> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
>options.
>> >>> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter what...
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
>chance
>> >>> >>to succeed here.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>but there
>> >>> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
>> >>another
>> >>> >>>choice.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's
>just
>> >>> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There is
>> >>> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too many
>> >>> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn anyone
>> >>> >away? where do you live?
>> >>> >
>> >>> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
>Repuglycans:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
>> >>
>> >>July 30, 2008
>> >>
>> >>U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
>> >>
>> >>By RACHEL L. SWARNS
>> >>
>> >>'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
>> >>nation
>> >>'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833
>from
>> >>175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
>> >>Tuesday.
>> >>
>> >
>> > based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
>> > bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
>> > kiss his ass.
>> >
>>
>> Leave it to Greg to use this source. It's like citing a society of chimps
>on
>> nuclear fission.
>
>
>Natcherly you and blake aer blinded by hatred and so CAN'T come up with
>anything to refute that news article, mon petit cumsquat..."par for the
>course", one must say...
>
>
><sigh>

the bush administration has a long history of suppressing or 'editing'
information unfavorable to it. you'd know this if you were paying
attention at all. find me some other source saying homelessness is
down and i might listen.

blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:24 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >><sf> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" >
>>> >>> >>wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
>>options.
>>> >>> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter
>>> >>> >>>what...
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
>>chance
>>> >>> >>to succeed here.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>>but there
>>> >>> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
>>> >>another
>>> >>> >>>choice.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's
>>just
>>> >>> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There
>>> >>> >>is
>>> >>> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too
>>> >>> >>many
>>> >>> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn
>>> >>> >anyone
>>> >>> >away? where do you live?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
>>Repuglycans:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
>>> >>
>>> >>July 30, 2008
>>> >>
>>> >>U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
>>> >>
>>> >>By RACHEL L. SWARNS
>>> >>
>>> >>'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
>>> >>nation
>>> >>'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833
>>from
>>> >>175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
>>> >>Tuesday.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
>>> > bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
>>> > kiss his ass.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Leave it to Greg to use this source. It's like citing a society of
>>> chimps
>>on
>>> nuclear fission.
>>
>>
>>Natcherly you and blake aer blinded by hatred and so CAN'T come up with
>>anything to refute that news article, mon petit cumsquat..."par for the
>>course", one must say...
>>
>>
>><sigh>
>
> the bush administration has a long history of suppressing or 'editing'
> information unfavorable to it. you'd know this if you were paying
> attention at all. find me some other source saying homelessness is
> down and i might listen.
>


I kind of liked the "blinded by hatred" part.

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:21:28 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> ><sf> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
>>options.
>>> >> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter what...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
>>chance
>>> >> >>to succeed here.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>but there
>>> >> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
>>> >another
>>> >> >>>choice.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's
>>just
>>> >> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There
>>> >> >>is
>>> >> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too many
>>> >> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn anyone
>>> >> >away? where do you live?
>>> >> >
>>> >> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
>>Repuglycans:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
>>> >
>>> >July 30, 2008
>>> >
>>> >U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
>>> >
>>> >By RACHEL L. SWARNS
>>> >
>>> >'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
>>nation
>>> >'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833
>>> >from
>>> >175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
>>> >Tuesday.
>>> >
>>>
>>> based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
>>> bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
>>> kiss his ass.
>>
>>
>>I'm sorry that you HATE America, blake...
>
> george bush is *not* america. yutz.
>

This is probably as brilliant as Greggie gets. If you don't like George Bush
you HATE America!!

Damn, he's got me there.

I have to go hang my head now.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:35:49 -0700, Pan > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:09:00 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:
>
>
>>Actually, I think it's even more elegant. The First Nations had no concept
>>of ownership, sop consequently the land, to them, was both priceless and
>>without any value. However, the concept of ownership andvalue are highly
>>prized by the white man (kabloona, to the Inuit) and therefore they are
>>using the white man's own tools for assimilation against him. Poetic as
>>well as restorative justice.
>
>So when the American Indians sold Manhattan island to the white folks,
>they were ripping of the Honkies?
>The land had no value, was worthless, and the white man nor anyone
>else could own the land?
>
>So the white man shouldn't be ****ed?

my favorite part of that story is that the canarsee indians really had
no plausible claims to ownership of manhattan in the first place:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_156.html

so that might be the one time they got over on the white man. but
he's been repaying the indians for this swindle at his leisure.

your pal,
blake

cybercat wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:24 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>cybercat wrote:
> >>
> >>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >><sf> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
> >>> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" >
> >>> >>> >>wrote:
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
> >>options.
> >>> >>> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter
> >>> >>> >>>what...
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
> >>chance
> >>> >>> >>to succeed here.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>>but there
> >>> >>> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't
see
> >>> >>another
> >>> >>> >>>choice.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states
(let's
> >>just
> >>> >>> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO:
There
> >>> >>> >>is
> >>> >>> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too
> >>> >>> >>many
> >>> >>> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn
> >>> >>> >anyone
> >>> >>> >away? where do you live?
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
> >>Repuglycans:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
> >>> >>
> >>> >>July 30, 2008
> >>> >>
> >>> >>U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
> >>> >>
> >>> >>By RACHEL L. SWARNS
> >>> >>
> >>> >>'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in
the
> >>> >>nation
> >>> >>'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833
> >>from
> >>> >>175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said
on
> >>> >>Tuesday.
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
> >>> > bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
> >>> > kiss his ass.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Leave it to Greg to use this source. It's like citing a society of
> >>> chimps
> >>on
> >>> nuclear fission.
> >>
> >>
> >>Natcherly you and blake aer blinded by hatred and so CAN'T come up with
> >>anything to refute that news article, mon petit cumsquat..."par for the
> >>course", one must say...
> >>
> >>
> >><sigh>
> >
> > the bush administration has a long history of suppressing or 'editing'
> > information unfavorable to it. you'd know this if you were paying
> > attention at all. find me some other source saying homelessness is
> > down and i might listen.
> >
>
>
> I kind of liked the "blinded by hatred" part.


Be - HAVE yerself, cyberkitty...or we won't clean yer cage for a WEEK...


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

blake murphy wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:24 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >cybercat wrote:
> >
> >> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >><sf> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" >
wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
> >options.
> >> >>> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter
what...
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
> >chance
> >> >>> >>to succeed here.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>but there
> >> >>> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't
see
> >> >>another
> >> >>> >>>choice.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's
> >just
> >> >>> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There
is
> >> >>> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too
many
> >> >>> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn
anyone
> >> >>> >away? where do you live?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
> >Repuglycans:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
> >> >>
> >> >>July 30, 2008
> >> >>
> >> >>U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
> >> >>
> >> >>By RACHEL L. SWARNS
> >> >>
> >> >>'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
> >> >>nation
> >> >>'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833
> >from
> >> >>175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said
on
> >> >>Tuesday.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
> >> > bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
> >> > kiss his ass.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Leave it to Greg to use this source. It's like citing a society of
chimps
> >on
> >> nuclear fission.
> >
> >
> >Natcherly you and blake aer blinded by hatred and so CAN'T come up with
> >anything to refute that news article, mon petit cumsquat..."par for the
> >course", one must say...
> >
> >
> ><sigh>
>
> the bush administration has a long history of suppressing or 'editing'
> information unfavorable to it. you'd know this if you were paying
> attention at all. find me some other source saying homelessness is
> down and i might listen.


Uh, YOU challenged what _I_ posted, Lazy Boi, so it's up to *you* to find
some other source...so have at it.

"blake, I'll have to put a small red "F" by your name..."


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

blake murphy wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:21:28 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >blake murphy wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:03:35 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> ><sf> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:05:01 -0400, blake murphy
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:43:00 -0700, sf wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:54:46 -0700, "Nexis" >
wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>True...but many wouldn't feel they need to if they had other
> >options.
> >> >> >>>Obviously there are people who will be criminals no matter
what...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Not necessarily. We don't have a caste system. Everyone has a
> >chance
> >> >> >>to succeed here.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>but there
> >> >> >>>are plenty of others resorting to stealing because they don't see
> >> >another
> >> >> >>>choice.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Honestly, I think those days are over in the united states (let's
> >just
> >> >> >>keep this to legal citizens and not kitchen sink it). IMO: There
is
> >> >> >>no more crime due to lack of choices. In my city, we have too
many
> >> >> >>social outreach programs for that excuse to hold water anymore.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >and those programs are so well-funded they never have to turn
anyone
> >> >> >away? where do you live?
> >> >> >
> >> >> Food programs, no. Drug programs have a waiting list.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Here's still another reason for blake to hate those Heartless
> >Repuglycans:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html
> >> >
> >> >July 30, 2008
> >> >
> >> >U.S. Reports Drop in Homeless Population
> >> >
> >> >By RACHEL L. SWARNS
> >> >
> >> >'WASHINGTON - The number of chronically homeless people living in the
> >nation
> >> >'s streets and shelters has dropped by about 30 percent - to 123,833
from
> >> >175,914 - between 2005 and 2007, Bush administration officials said on
> >> >Tuesday.
> >> >
> >>
> >> based on seven year's experience, i don't trust a ****ing word the
> >> bush administration say. you'll forgive me if i don't bend down to
> >> kiss his ass.
> >
> >
> >I'm sorry that you HATE America, blake...
>
> george bush is *not* america. yutz.


I apologise, blake...I forgot that you are leftist and so hate ANY good news
that comes down the pike, e.g. a reduction in homelessness or that life is
improving for some folx or even that some peeps are doing pretty well...what
yer REALLY saying is that you'd LOVE to see the streets crawling with
millions more homeless as that would prove how truly evil the "Bush regime"
is. Then you'd be **** - pot happy...

Mebbe you need to get help for your "schadenfreude complex", blake...and
also the problem with cartoon fascistic liberals such as yourself is that
while you "love" mankind, you *hate* people.

I guess your idear of true bliss would have been 50% unemployment and a
severe depression and even the destruction of the US during the this Shrub
presidency. But it DIDN'T happen - doesn't that just **** you off...???

Heehee...

:-)

--
Best
Greg

Giusi wrote:

> Except they are on top of the mental illness. I was crazed for a part of
> the quitting time. I wanted to throw people under a bus or spit in their
> eye. If I were a homicidal maniac, I would have done it. I think I would
> have set fire to a nurse, probably. One that smelled of smoke from her
> break ciggie.
>

It's probably a mixed bag with whether or not they're on top of the
mental illness. I will place you under the "went insane from quiting
smoking" column. My guess is that while they reached 100% compliance
from the patients, the staff's smoking habits would be relatively
unchanged. It don't seem right, do it?

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:35:01 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:


>>
>> So cybercat did you go into a residential rehab or did you quit on
>> your own. Or did they give you a list of S.A. (smokers Anon.) and wish
>> you good luck.
>
>I quit using outrageously expensive nicotine patches that the poor cannot
>afford. In addition, for the two months I was on these things, I allowed
>myself to have literally ANYTHING I wanted except a cigarette. Chocolate,
>expensive seafood, collectibles, trips, etc.
>
>Had I been hungry and dirty and constantly anxious about survival I have no
>doubt I would still be smoking. You smug, compassionless prick you.
>
Numerous people (me included) went cold turkey, yes it is hard, and I
gained weight, but it can be done.

If I was hungry, (which I have been in the past)I would not spend
money on smokes or drinks.

And am I compassionless when I expect those who can, to do for
themselves. Those who can't help themselves get my help.

Am I smug because, I pulled my self up? If I can do it, anyone can.

As for being a prick, It is the best part of a man.

blake murphy > wrote in
:

> my favorite part of that story is that the canarsee indians really had
> no plausible claims to ownership of manhattan in the first place

Essentially, it was the Europeans' mistake that if people lived somewhere,
they automatically had a concept of ownership. Can't blame the Indians.
They probably didn't understand and futhermore the Europeans most likely
embellished the story, making it seem like they had made a great deal,
whereas the natives were in fact merely nodding politely and taking what
was being offered simply because it was being handed to them. If they had
no concept of ownership (generally accepted as a fundamental reality of
North American natives), they cannot have valued, negotiated a sale or even
conceived of a trickery.

There is a story. A priest is living among the Hurons in the Georgian Bay
area and he approaches the chief one day.

He says: I want to go to the next village and I may be gone a month or so.
Can I leave my stuff in the longhouse?

The chief says: Sure, no problem.

The priest, somewhat uncertain, asks: So, you're sure it'll all be safe?
Nobody will steal it?

The chief: Don't worry. There isn't another white man for a hundred miles
around.

"Pan" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> As for being a prick, It is the best part of a man.

Men who believe that frequently don't get as much out of life as they
thought they would.

wrote:
>So when the American Indians sold Manhattan island to the white folks,
>they were ripping of the Honkies?
>The land had no value, was worthless, and the white man nor anyone
>else could own the land?
>So the white man shouldn't be ****ed?

Not at all. Manhattan is one of the places on Earth with a high wealth
concentration. All the po folks is bein' driven out.

Orlando