http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/

" Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
significantly lower a man’s sperm count"

On Jul 28, 8:19*pm, James > wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
>
> " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
> significantly lower a man’s sperm count"

There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
eat soy?

Wil wrote:
> On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
>>
>> " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
>> significantly lower a man’s sperm count"
>
> There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
> eat soy?
By law they are limited to one child per couple. Since they all want a
boy the abortion rate is really high.

In article
>,
Wil > wrote:

> On Jul 28, 8:19*pm, James > wrote:
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
> >
> > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
> > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
>
> There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
> eat soy?

That's 1.3 billion Chinese.

http://chinesefood.about.com/od/heal...erns/a/soy.htm
.. . . the real problem is not whether soy is inherently bad (after all,
people have been consuming plants with hormones for centuries) but that
no one is sure how much soy it is safe to consume. While Asians have
been consuming soy for centuries, there have been conflicting claims
about how much soy they consume. Nonetheless, if soy starts turning up
in everything from cereal to ice cream, we may begin consuming far
higher amounts than is normally found in the Asian diet, without any
real idea of the consequences. An related issue is that modern
preparation methods for soy products may increase the health risks. For
example, some companies use chemical hydrolization instead of
traditional fermentation methods to make soy sauce. It's something to
think about.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

On 29/07/08 17:36, Billy wrote:
> In article
> >,
> Wil > wrote:
>
>> On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
>>>
>>> " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
>>> significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
>> There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
>> eat soy?
>
> That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
>
> http://chinesefood.about.com/od/heal...erns/a/soy.htm
> . . . the real problem is not whether soy is inherently bad (after all,
> people have been consuming plants with hormones for centuries) but that
> no one is sure how much soy it is safe to consume. While Asians have
> been consuming soy for centuries, there have been conflicting claims
> about how much soy they consume. Nonetheless, if soy starts turning up
> in everything from cereal to ice cream, we may begin consuming far
> higher amounts than is normally found in the Asian diet, without any
> real idea of the consequences. An related issue is that modern
> preparation methods for soy products may increase the health risks. For
> example, some companies use chemical hydrolization instead of
> traditional fermentation methods to make soy sauce. It's something to
> think about.

Billy,

What you suggest we do then? Don't eat soy? Tell me.

Ed

Billy wrote:
> In article
> >,
> Wil > wrote:
>
>> On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
>>>
>>> " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
>>> significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
>> There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
>> eat soy?
>
> That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
>
> http://chinesefood.about.com/od/heal...erns/a/soy.htm
> . . . the real problem is not whether soy is inherently bad (after all,
> people have been consuming plants with hormones for centuries) but that
> no one is sure how much soy it is safe to consume. While Asians have
> been consuming soy for centuries, there have been conflicting claims
> about how much soy they consume. Nonetheless, if soy starts turning up
> in everything from cereal to ice cream, we may begin consuming far
> higher amounts than is normally found in the Asian diet, without any
> real idea of the consequences. An related issue is that modern
> preparation methods for soy products may increase the health risks. For
> example, some companies use chemical hydrolization instead of
> traditional fermentation methods to make soy sauce. It's something to
> think about.

And then there was the recent finding of a link between tofu
consumption and dementia. Interestingly, that doesn't hold true
for tempeh.

I am very glad I didn't hop onto the soy bandwagon. I did drink
some soy milk, and I do like tofu though.

--
Jean B.

On Jul 29, 9:36*am, Billy > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> *Wil > wrote:
> > On Jul 28, 8:19*pm, James > wrote:
> > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
>
> > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
> > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
>
> > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. *Do you think they don't
> > eat soy?
>
> That's 1.3 billion Chinese.

That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all over the
world.

>
> http://chinesefood.about.com/od/heal...erns/a/soy.htm
> . . . the real problem is not whether soy is inherently bad (after all,
> people have been consuming plants with hormones for centuries) but that
> no one is sure how much soy it is safe to consume. While Asians have
> been consuming soy for centuries, there have been conflicting claims
> about how much soy they consume. Nonetheless, if soy starts turning up
> in everything from cereal to ice cream, we may begin consuming far
> higher amounts than is normally found in the Asian diet, without any
> real idea of the consequences. An related issue is that modern
> preparation methods for soy products may increase the health risks. For
> example, some companies use chemical hydrolization instead of
> traditional fermentation methods to make soy sauce. It's something to
> think about.
> --
>
> Billy
> Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

In article
>,
rst0wxyz > wrote:

> On Jul 29, 9:36*am, Billy > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > *Wil > wrote:
> > > On Jul 28, 8:19*pm, James > wrote:
> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
> >
> > > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
> > > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
> >
> > > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. *Do you think they don't
> > > eat soy?
> >
> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
>
> That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all over the
> world.
But he said in China.
>
> >
> > http://chinesefood.about.com/od/heal...erns/a/soy.htm
> > . . . the real problem is not whether soy is inherently bad (after all,
> > people have been consuming plants with hormones for centuries) but that
> > no one is sure how much soy it is safe to consume. While Asians have
> > been consuming soy for centuries, there have been conflicting claims
> > about how much soy they consume. Nonetheless, if soy starts turning up
> > in everything from cereal to ice cream, we may begin consuming far
> > higher amounts than is normally found in the Asian diet, without any
> > real idea of the consequences. An related issue is that modern
> > preparation methods for soy products may increase the health risks. For
> > example, some companies use chemical hydrolization instead of
> > traditional fermentation methods to make soy sauce. It's something to
> > think about.
> > --
> >
> > Billy
> > Bush and Pelosi Behind
> > Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.you
> > tube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article >,
Ed <ex@directory> wrote:

> On 29/07/08 17:36, Billy wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > Wil > wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
> >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
> >>>
> >>> " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
> >>> significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
> >> There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
> >> eat soy?
> >
> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
> >
> > http://chinesefood.about.com/od/heal...erns/a/soy.htm
> > . . . the real problem is not whether soy is inherently bad (after all,
> > people have been consuming plants with hormones for centuries) but that
> > no one is sure how much soy it is safe to consume. While Asians have
> > been consuming soy for centuries, there have been conflicting claims
> > about how much soy they consume. Nonetheless, if soy starts turning up
> > in everything from cereal to ice cream, we may begin consuming far
> > higher amounts than is normally found in the Asian diet, without any
> > real idea of the consequences. An related issue is that modern
> > preparation methods for soy products may increase the health risks. For
> > example, some companies use chemical hydrolization instead of
> > traditional fermentation methods to make soy sauce. It's something to
> > think about.
>
> Billy,
>
> What you suggest we do then? Don't eat soy? Tell me.
>
> Ed

My understanding is that it is used as a condiment a meal in Asia, not
the principal course. As the extract that I posted mentioned, it is the
sheer quantity of soy products (tofu) that are being offered for sale
that is the concern. Personally, I intend to continue using soy sauce
and occasionally eat other soy products. I haven't looked into this very
much but there seem to be multiple concerns from mimicking female
hormones to causing thyroid problems.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> rst0wxyz > wrote:
>
>> On Jul 29, 9:36 am, Billy > wrote:
>> > In article
>> > >,
>> >
>> > Wil > wrote:
>> > > On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
>> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
>> >
>> > > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
>> > > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
>> >
>> > > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
>> > > eat soy?
>> >
>> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
>>
>> That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all over the
>> world.
> But he said in China.

Cool! another graduate of the Goomba School of Hairsplitting.

In article >,
"cybercat" > wrote:

> "Billy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article
> > >,
> > rst0wxyz > wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 29, 9:36 am, Billy > wrote:
> >> > In article
> >> > >,
> >> >
> >> > Wil > wrote:
> >> > > On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
> >> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
> >> >
> >> > > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
> >> > > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
> >> >
> >> > > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
> >> > > eat soy?
> >> >
> >> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
> >>
> >> That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all over the
> >> world.
> > But he said in China.
>
> Cool! another graduate of the Goomba School of Hairsplitting.

If you're trying to be humorous or incisive, then you're doing fine at
embarrassing yourself. But your not that self conscious are you?
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> "Billy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article
>> > >,
>> > rst0wxyz > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Jul 29, 9:36 am, Billy > wrote:
>> >> > In article
>> >> > >,
>> >> >
>> >> > Wil > wrote:
>> >> > > On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
>> >> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
>> >> >
>> >> > > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
>> >> >
>> >> > > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they don't
>> >> > > eat soy?
>> >> >
>> >> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
>> >>
>> >> That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all over the
>> >> world.
>> > But he said in China.
>>
>> Cool! another graduate of the Goomba School of Hairsplitting.
>
> If you're trying to be humorous or incisive, then you're doing fine at
> embarrassing yourself. But your not that self conscious are you?
> --

A little sensitve, are we?

Billy wrote:

> In article >,
> "cybercat" > wrote:
>
> > "Billy" > wrote in message
> >
...
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > rst0wxyz > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Jul 29, 9:36 am, Billy > wrote:
> > >> > In article
> > >> >
>,
> > >> >
> > >> > Wil > wrote:
> > >> > > On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
> > >> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
> > >> >
> > >> > > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be
enough to
> > >> > > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
> > >> >
> > >> > > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they
don't
> > >> > > eat soy?
> > >> >
> > >> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
> > >>
> > >> That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all over
the
> > >> world.
> > > But he said in China.
> >
> > Cool! another graduate of the Goomba School of Hairsplitting.
>
> If you're trying to be humorous or incisive, then you're doing fine at
> embarrassing yourself. But your not that self conscious are you?
>

In "cybercat's" own inimitable "words":

hahahaha!


[and BTW Goomba *is* a "hairsplitter", it's a skill that makes her a good
nurse...]


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

In article > ,
"Gregory Morrow" > wrote:

> Billy wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "cybercat" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Billy" > wrote in message
> > >
> ...
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > rst0wxyz > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Jul 29, 9:36 am, Billy > wrote:
> > > >> > In article
> > > >> >
> >,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Wil > wrote:
> > > >> > > On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
> > > >> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be
> enough to
> > > >> > > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they
> don't
> > > >> > > eat soy?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
> > > >>
> > > >> That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all over
> the
> > > >> world.
> > > > But he said in China.
> > >
> > > Cool! another graduate of the Goomba School of Hairsplitting.
> >
> > If you're trying to be humorous or incisive, then you're doing fine at
> > embarrassing yourself. But your not that self conscious are you?
> >
>
> In "cybercat's" own inimitable "words":
>
> hahahaha!
>
>
> [and BTW Goomba *is* a "hairsplitter", it's a skill that makes her a good
> nurse...]

n. Slang
A companion or associate, especially an older friend who acts as a
patron, protector, or adviser.

(Noun) A person that is a close friend and will have your back no matter
what the situation.

You seem to be on a roll "cybercat". What are we to think if you ever
have something important to say? Or is that not a problem?

hahahaha! ;o)

I went to the Lizzy Borden School of Hairsplitting.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>
>> Billy wrote:
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > "cybercat" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Billy" > wrote in message
>> > >
>> ...
>> > > > In article
>> > > > >,
>> > > > rst0wxyz > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> On Jul 29, 9:36 am, Billy > wrote:
>> > > >> > In article
>> > > >> >
>> >,
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Wil > wrote:
>> > > >> > > On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
>> > > >> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be
>> enough to
>> > > >> > > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they
>> don't
>> > > >> > > eat soy?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all over
>> the
>> > > >> world.
>> > > > But he said in China.
>> > >
>> > > Cool! another graduate of the Goomba School of Hairsplitting.
>> >
>> > If you're trying to be humorous or incisive, then you're doing fine at
>> > embarrassing yourself. But your not that self conscious are you?
>> >
>>
>> In "cybercat's" own inimitable "words":
>>
>> hahahaha!
>>
>>
>> [and BTW Goomba *is* a "hairsplitter", it's a skill that makes her a good
>> nurse...]
>
> n. Slang
> A companion or associate, especially an older friend who acts as a
> patron, protector, or adviser.
>
> (Noun) A person that is a close friend and will have your back no matter
> what the situation.
>
> You seem to be on a roll "cybercat". What are we to think if you ever
> have something important to say? Or is that not a problem?
>
> hahahaha! ;o)
>
> I went to the Lizzy Borden School of Hairsplitting.
> --
>
> Billy
> Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

*boggle*

How do you carry a chip that size, asswipe? Making the distinction of
whether the people were IN China or just born in China was a petty,
pointless detail. Hence you were "splitting hairs."

And now you're firmly allied with Greg Morrow the swishy moron. You must be
so proud.

hahahahaha

"James" > wrote in message
...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/

" Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to
significantly lower a man’s sperm count"


Maybe it's a poor mans vasectomy or Catholic birth control.


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

cybercat wrote:

> "Billy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article > ,
> > "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> >
> >> Billy wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "cybercat" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "Billy" > wrote in message
> >> > >
> >>
...
> >> > > > In article
> >> > > >
>,
> >> > > > rst0wxyz > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On Jul 29, 9:36 am, Billy > wrote:
> >> > > >> > In article
> >> > > >> >
> >> >,
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Wil > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > On Jul 28, 8:19 pm, James > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25833435/
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > " Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be
> >> enough to
> >> > > >> > > > significantly lower a man¹s sperm count"
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > There are over 2 billion Chinese in China. Do you think they
> >> don't
> >> > > >> > > eat soy?
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > That's 1.3 billion Chinese.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> That's only in China itself. There are Chinese living in all
over
> >> the
> >> > > >> world.
> >> > > > But he said in China.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cool! another graduate of the Goomba School of Hairsplitting.
> >> >
> >> > If you're trying to be humorous or incisive, then you're doing fine
at
> >> > embarrassing yourself. But your not that self conscious are you?
> >> >
> >>
> >> In "cybercat's" own inimitable "words":
> >>
> >> hahahaha!
> >>
> >>
> >> [and BTW Goomba *is* a "hairsplitter", it's a skill that makes her a
good
> >> nurse...]
> >
> > n. Slang
> > A companion or associate, especially an older friend who acts as a
> > patron, protector, or adviser.
> >
> > (Noun) A person that is a close friend and will have your back no matter
> > what the situation.
> >
> > You seem to be on a roll "cybercat". What are we to think if you ever
> > have something important to say? Or is that not a problem?
> >
> > hahahaha! ;o)
> >
> > I went to the Lizzy Borden School of Hairsplitting.

>
> *boggle*
>
> How do you carry a chip that size, asswipe? Making the distinction of
> whether the people were IN China or just born in China was a petty,
> pointless detail. Hence you were "splitting hairs."
>
> And now you're firmly allied with Greg Morrow the swishy moron. You must
be
> so proud.
>
> hahahahaha


"Seducing the cybercat into sin

Takes but a small snort of gin

An all-out seduction

Is no major production

It takes less than five minutes to get in..."


:-D


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking