On Aug 8, 11:00�am, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> >On Fri 08 Aug 2008 05:45:44a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
> >> Sheldon >
> :
> >> in rec.food.cooking
>
> >>> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. �Porcelainized steel
> >>> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish as
> >>> it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking tomato
> >>> sauce and braising, especially with kraut. �Its only drawback is that
> >>> it chips easily and once chipped it must be discarded because it will
> >>> continue to shed glass slivers... porcelain requires careful hand
> >>> washing and is not for klutzes. �I have a few porcelainized steel
> >>> pieces I've been using for more than 30 years, I love my oval
> >>> roaster. �Every cook needs one of these:
> >>>http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>
> >> OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? �I can't
> >> even remember where I got it. �I don't have any chips on it but thanks
> >> for the link. �At least now I know what it is if I want to replace it
> >> sometime. �I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>
> >> Michael
>
> I've got a few too. �I've never bought one new. �I see them at resale
> stores and garage sales all the time. �Here's a very odd sized one.
> You can do anything from make soup to making Italian beef. �It works
> great for steaming a bunch of tamales. �I've always heard them called
> speckleware.
>
> http://i36.tinypic.com/kecfms.jpg

Speckleware is just another common brand, they made dinnerware too;
plates, bowls, mugs, even eating utensils, they were popular with
campers... I used to have one of their perculator coffee pots.

Years ago porcelain steel pots were very popular, there were many
brands/many configurations, most were plain white... baby bottle
sterilzers were white with blue or pink pin stripe trim.

http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/prod...yword=cookware

Billy wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:32:39 GMT, "CC"
> > wrote:
>
>> I've used cast iron of all types for over 35 years, I cook anything in
>> it I want without any problems,
>
> Me Too!! I use it all the time at home....and when we go camping, I
> take my 12" skillet and dutch oven with lid. I can cook and bake on
> the campfire. Even made a pineapple upside down cake in the dutch
> oven for dessert.

Cast iron is great for deep fat frying, because it will maintain a high
temperature. If you are making fried chicken, you want your oil to stay
hot. I also use it to make cornbread, and like you said, pineapple
upside down cake. Nothing cooks quite like cast iron. I also use Le
Creuset, it is enameled cast iron.

Becca

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>Duh'Wayne Bilgewater LIED:
>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> > Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> >> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. ?Porcelainized steel
>> >> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish as
>> >> it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking tomato
>> >> sauce and braising, especially with kraut. ?Its only drawback is that
>> >> it chips easily and once chipped it must be discarded because it will
>> >> continue to shed glass slivers... porcelain requires careful hand
>> >> washing and is not for klutzes. ?I have a few porcelainized steel
>> >> pieces I've been using for more than 30 years, I love my oval
>> >> roaster. ?Every cook needs one of these:
>> >>http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>>
>> > OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? ?I can't
>> > even remember where I got it. ?I don't have any chips on it but thanks
>> > for the link. ?At least now I know what it is if I want to replace it
>> > sometime. ?I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>>
>> > Michael
>>
>> I have a couple of those in different sizes. ?They always goin the
>> diswasher and have been for longer than you've had yours. ?No hand washing
>> necessary. ?I have a large graniteware stock pot, too.
>
>
>No matter what, the Douche'Wayne has more and better. I don't believe
>him, I've not ever seen anything he claims. And automatic dishwashers
>ruin porcelainized cookware, it will etch the surface the same as it
>will any glassware, the non stick property will be lost, plus the
>roughened surface will absorb odors and stink, that's why bars wash
>all glassware by hand. No cookware should go in the dishwasher.
>Duh'Wayne is a LIAR!
>
Good lord, Sheldon. Get a grip! He explained how he got all that
cookware, apparently you missed the post.

Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the antique
ones. Nothing, nada thing is etched. I don't have hard water, that's
why.

I don't put pot & pans in the dishwasher, but that's so I'll have more
room for dishes. I'll run a glass casserole dish through every now
and then because I'm a terrible hand washer. Slam bam, thank you
m'am. Done.


--
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Mae West

On Aug 8, 1:21�pm, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Duh'Wayne Bilgewater LIED:
> >> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> >> > Sheldon wrote:
>
> >> >> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. ?Porcelainized steel
> >> >> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish as
> >> >> it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking tomato
> >> >> sauce and braising, especially with kraut. ?Its only drawback is that
> >> >> it chips easily and once chipped it must be discarded because it will
> >> >> continue to shed glass slivers... porcelain requires careful hand
> >> >> washing and is not for klutzes. ?I have a few porcelainized steel
> >> >> pieces I've been using for more than 30 years, I love my oval
> >> >> roaster. ?Every cook needs one of these:
> >> >>http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>
> >> > OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? ?I can't
> >> > even remember where I got it. ?I don't have any chips on it but thanks
> >> > for the link. ?At least now I know what it is if I want to replace it
> >> > sometime. ?I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>
> >> > Michael
>
> >> I have a couple of those in different sizes. ?They always goin the
> >> diswasher and have been for longer than you've had yours. ?No hand washing
> >> necessary. ?I have a large graniteware stock pot, too.
>
> >No matter what, the Douche'Wayne has more and better. �I don't believe
> >him, I've not ever seen anything he claims. �And automatic dishwashers
> >ruin porcelainized cookware, it will etch the surface the same as it
> >will any glassware, the non stick property will be lost, plus the
> >roughened surface will absorb odors and stink, that's why bars wash
> >all glassware by hand. �No cookware should go in the dishwasher.
> >Duh'Wayne is a LIAR!
>
> He explained how he got all that cookware.

So did Pinocchio explain... you are a ****ing imbecile.

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:39:26 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>On Aug 8, 1:21?pm, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Duh'Wayne Bilgewater LIED:
>> >> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> >> > Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. ?Porcelainized steel
>> >> >> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish as
>> >> >> it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking tomato
>> >> >> sauce and braising, especially with kraut. ?Its only drawback is that
>> >> >> it chips easily and once chipped it must be discarded because it will
>> >> >> continue to shed glass slivers... porcelain requires careful hand
>> >> >> washing and is not for klutzes. ?I have a few porcelainized steel
>> >> >> pieces I've been using for more than 30 years, I love my oval
>> >> >> roaster. ?Every cook needs one of these:
>> >> >>http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>>
>> >> > OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? ?I can't
>> >> > even remember where I got it. ?I don't have any chips on it but thanks
>> >> > for the link. ?At least now I know what it is if I want to replace it
>> >> > sometime. ?I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>>
>> >> > Michael
>>
>> >> I have a couple of those in different sizes. ?They always goin the
>> >> diswasher and have been for longer than you've had yours. ?No hand washing
>> >> necessary. ?I have a large graniteware stock pot, too.
>>
>> >No matter what, the Douche'Wayne has more and better. ?I don't believe
>> >him, I've not ever seen anything he claims. ?And automatic dishwashers
>> >ruin porcelainized cookware, it will etch the surface the same as it
>> >will any glassware, the non stick property will be lost, plus the
>> >roughened surface will absorb odors and stink, that's why bars wash
>> >all glassware by hand. ?No cookware should go in the dishwasher.
>> >Duh'Wayne is a LIAR!
>>
>> He explained how he got all that cookware.
>
>So did Pinocchio explain... you are a ****ing imbecile.

It's too early in the day for you to be this vile.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Aug 8, 1:55�pm, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:39:26 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 8, 1:21?pm, sf wrote:
> >> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Duh'Wayne Bilgewater LIED:
> >> >> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> >> >> > Sheldon wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. ?Porcelainized steel
> >> >> >> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish as
> >> >> >> it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking tomato
> >> >> >> sauce and braising, especially with kraut. ?Its only drawback is that
> >> >> >> it chips easily and once chipped it must be discarded because it will
> >> >> >> continue to shed glass slivers... porcelain requires careful hand
> >> >> >> washing and is not for klutzes. ?I have a few porcelainized steel
> >> >> >> pieces I've been using for more than 30 years, I love my oval
> >> >> >> roaster. ?Every cook needs one of these:
> >> >> >>http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>
> >> >> > OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? ?I can't
> >> >> > even remember where I got it. ?I don't have any chips on it but thanks
> >> >> > for the link. ?At least now I know what it is if I want to replace it
> >> >> > sometime. ?I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>
> >> >> > Michael
>
> >> >> I have a couple of those in different sizes. ?They always goin the
> >> >> diswasher and have been for longer than you've had yours. ?No hand washing
> >> >> necessary. ?I have a large graniteware stock pot, too.
>
> >> >No matter what, the Douche'Wayne has more and better. ?I don't believe
> >> >him, I've not ever seen anything he claims. ?And automatic dishwashers
> >> >ruin porcelainized cookware, it will etch the surface the same as it
> >> >will any glassware, the non stick property will be lost, plus the
> >> >roughened surface will absorb odors and stink, that's why bars wash
> >> >all glassware by hand. ?No cookware should go in the dishwasher.
> >> >Duh'Wayne is a LIAR!
>
> >> He explained how he got all that cookware.
>
> >So did Pinocchio explain... you are a ****ing imbecile.
>
> It's too early in the day for you to be this vile.

You could have easily skipped over this post.

Doesn't seem to stop you from engaging in your defense of that
deceitful, disingenuous douchebag, you are obviously enjoying
participating. Your callous display of depraved naivety and ignorance
is far more offensive to the sensibilities of basic human morality
than any vileness I could ever display. It's no wonder you align with
that fraudulent *******... birds of a feather... you're a fake too.

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>Your callous display of depraved naivety and ignorance

Naivety and ignorance, based on what???? Your experience is vastly
different from mine, old man.


--
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Mae West

On Fri 08 Aug 2008 08:00:43a, Lou Decruss told us...

> On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:03:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Fri 08 Aug 2008 05:45:44a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>>
>>> Sheldon >
>>> :
>>> in rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. Porcelainized steel
>>>> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish as
>>>> it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking tomato
>>>> sauce and braising, especially with kraut. Its only drawback is that
>>>> it chips easily and once chipped it must be discarded because it will
>>>> continue to shed glass slivers... porcelain requires careful hand
>>>> washing and is not for klutzes. I have a few porcelainized steel
>>>> pieces I've been using for more than 30 years, I love my oval
>>>> roaster. Every cook needs one of these:
>>>> http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>>>
>>> OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? I
can't
>>> even remember where I got it. I don't have any chips on it but thanks
>>> for the link. At least now I know what it is if I want to replace it
>>> sometime. I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I have a couple of those in different sizes. They always goin the
>>diswasher and have been for longer than you've had yours. No hand
washing
>>necessary. I have a large graniteware stock pot, too.
>
> I've got a few too. I've never bought one new. I see them at resale
> stores and garage sales all the time. Here's a very odd sized one.
> You can do anything from make soup to making Italian beef. It works
> great for steaming a bunch of tamales. I've always heard them called
> speckleware.
>
> http://i36.tinypic.com/kecfms.jpg
>
> Lou
>

Yes, that is an odd one, Lou. I've never seen one quite like that. It
looks ideal for the purposes you mentioned.

I think many years ago they make a much larger variety of pieces. Granite
ware was pretty standard cooking equipment back in the day. There were
probably several different names for that type of porcelain finish.

My dad's mother had a large and varied collection of graniteware that she
used on her wood cookstove.

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On Fri 08 Aug 2008 10:21:23a, told us...

> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
> wrote:
>
>>Duh'Wayne Bilgewater LIED:
>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>> > Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. ?Porcelainized steel
>>> >> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish
>>> >> as it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking
>>> >> tomato sauce and braising, especially with kraut. ?Its only
>>> >> drawback is that it chips easily and once chipped it must be
>>> >> discarded because it will continue to shed glass slivers...
>>> >> porcelain requires careful hand washing and is not for klutzes. ?I
>>> >> have a few porcelainized steel pieces I've been using for more than
>>> >> 30 years, I love my oval roaster. ?Every cook needs one of these:
>>> >> http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>>>
>>> > OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? ?I
>>> > can't even remember where I got it. ?I don't have any chips on it
>>> > but thanks for the link. ?At least now I know what it is if I want
>>> > to replace it sometime. ?I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>>>
>>> > Michael
>>>
>>> I have a couple of those in different sizes. ?They always goin the
>>> diswasher and have been for longer than you've had yours. ?No hand
>>> washing necessary. ?I have a large graniteware stock pot, too.
>>
>>
>>No matter what, the Douche'Wayne has more and better. I don't believe
>>him, I've not ever seen anything he claims. And automatic dishwashers
>>ruin porcelainized cookware, it will etch the surface the same as it
>>will any glassware, the non stick property will be lost, plus the
>>roughened surface will absorb odors and stink, that's why bars wash
>>all glassware by hand. No cookware should go in the dishwasher.
>>Duh'Wayne is a LIAR!
>>
> Good lord, Sheldon. Get a grip! He explained how he got all that
> cookware, apparently you missed the post.
>
> Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the antique
> ones. Nothing, nada thing is etched. I don't have hard water, that's
> why.
>
> I don't put pot & pans in the dishwasher, but that's so I'll have more
> room for dishes. I'll run a glass casserole dish through every now
> and then because I'm a terrible hand washer. Slam bam, thank you
> m'am. Done.

Poor Sheldon. He's dumber than a post! We have very hard water where we
live, but I use an additive to the dishwasher that prevent's etchiing
glassware, or anything else for that matter. I have always washed
porcelain coated cast iron, porcelain coated steel, and all manner of
glassware (including our crystal) in the dishwasher, with no ill effect.

Some people just don't get it, but they stil proclaim to sit in the supreme
seat of knowledge.

It's always good for a laugh! :-)

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Sheldon wrote:

>
> You could have easily skipped over this post.
>
> Doesn't seem to stop you from engaging in your defense of that
> deceitful, disingenuous douchebag, you are obviously enjoying
> participating. Your callous display of depraved naivety and ignorance
> is far more offensive to the sensibilities of basic human morality
> than any vileness I could ever display. It's no wonder you align with
> that fraudulent *******... birds of a feather... you're a fake too.

All that diatribe and my spell check didn't even find *one* spelling
mistake... I'm impressed Sheldon.
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Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Aug 8, 10:12*am, Sheldon > wrote:

> No matter what, the Douche'Wayne has more and better. *I don't believe
> him, I've not ever seen anything he claims. *And automatic dishwashers
> ruin porcelainized cookware, it will etch the surface the same as it
> will any glassware, the non stick property will be lost, plus the
> roughened surface will absorb odors and stink, that's why bars wash
> all glassware by hand. *No cookware should go in the dishwasher.
> Duh'Wayne is a LIAR!

Sheldon, are you aware that there is a difference between lying and
simply being wrong about something?

Cindy Hamilton

On Aug 8, 2:56�pm, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> On Fri 08 Aug 2008 10:21:23a, �told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
> > wrote:
>
> >>Duh'Wayne Bilgewater LIED:
> >>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> >>> > Sheldon wrote:
>
> >>> >> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. ?Porcelainized steel
> >>> >> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish
> >>> >> as it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking
> >>> >> tomato sauce and braising, especially with kraut. ?Its only
> >>> >> drawback is that it chips easily and once chipped it must be
> >>> >> discarded because it will continue to shed glass slivers...
> >>> >> porcelain requires careful hand washing and is not for klutzes. ?I
> >>> >> have a few porcelainized steel pieces I've been using for more than
> >>> >> 30 years, I love my oval roaster. ?Every cook needs one of these:
> >>> >>http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>
> >>> > OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? ?I
> >>> > can't even remember where I got it. ?I don't have any chips on it
> >>> > but thanks for the link. ?At least now I know what it is if I want
> >>> > to replace it sometime. ?I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>
> >>> > Michael
>
> >>> I have a couple of those in different sizes. ?They always goin the
> >>> diswasher and have been for longer than you've had yours. ?No hand
> >>> washing necessary. ?I have a large graniteware stock pot, too.
>
> >>No matter what, the Douche'Wayne has more and better. �I don't believe
> >>him, I've not ever seen anything he claims. �And automatic dishwashers
> >>ruin porcelainized cookware, it will etch the surface the same as it
> >>will any glassware, the non stick property will be lost, plus the
> >>roughened surface will absorb odors and stink, that's why bars wash
> >>all glassware by hand. �No cookware should go in the dishwasher..
> >>Duh'Wayne is a LIAR!
>
> > Good lord, Sheldon. �Get a grip! �He explained how he got all that
> > cookware, apparently you missed the post.
>
> > Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the antique
> > ones. �Nothing, nada thing is etched. �I don't have hard water, that's
> > why.
>
> > I don't put pot & pans in the dishwasher, but that's so I'll have more
> > room for dishes. �I'll run a glass casserole dish through every now
> > and then because I'm a terrible hand washer. �Slam bam, thank you
> > m'am. �Done.
>
> Poor Sheldon. �He's dumber than a post! �We have very hard water where we
> live, but I use an additive to the dishwasher that prevent's etchiing
> glassware, or anything else for that matter. �I have always washed
> porcelain coated cast iron, porcelain coated steel, and all manner of
> glassware (including our crystal) in the dishwasher, with no ill effect.

Hard water plays no part in etching glassware, none. The hard water
additive helps prevents spotting is all. It's the dishwasher cleaning
products that etch glassware, those products are caustic.

Dumb'Wayne doesn't have a dishwasher..., he has an asshole washer, his
LYING tongue!

On Aug 8, 3:08�pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > You could have easily skipped over this post.
>
> > Doesn't seem to stop you from engaging in your defense of that
> > deceitful, disingenuous douchebag, you are obviously enjoying
> > participating. �Your callous display of depraved naivety and ignorance
> > is far more offensive to the sensibilities of basic human morality
> > than any vileness I could ever display. �It's no wonder you align with
> > that fraudulent *******... birds of a feather... you're a fake too.
>
> All that diatribe and my spell check didn't even find *one* spelling
> mistake... I'm impressed, Sheldon.

That's not much of a diatribe, I've done much better with much more
deserving individuals... I'm not impressed. I don't use spell check
because many of my unique spellings and grammaticals are deliberate
and all those underlinings annoy me. I often misspell woids 'cause I
can, like using morel for moral just to keep things on topic. I'm a
terrible typist so my misspellings are usually typos that I didn't
want to take teh time to go back adn fix.

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:43:09 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Fri 08 Aug 2008 08:00:43a, Lou Decruss told us...

>> I've got a few too. I've never bought one new. I see them at resale
>> stores and garage sales all the time. Here's a very odd sized one.
>> You can do anything from make soup to making Italian beef. It works
>> great for steaming a bunch of tamales. I've always heard them called
>> speckleware.
>>
>> http://i36.tinypic.com/kecfms.jpg
>>
>> Lou
>>
>
>Yes, that is an odd one, Lou. I've never seen one quite like that. It
>looks ideal for the purposes you mentioned.

I think I paid 3 bucks for it so I guess it was a good score after 10
or so years.

>I think many years ago they make a much larger variety of pieces. Granite
>ware was pretty standard cooking equipment back in the day. There were
>probably several different names for that type of porcelain finish.
>
>My dad's mother had a large and varied collection of graniteware that she
>used on her wood cookstove.

I remember seeing lots of it too. I wish I had the foresight to grab
some when they passed away.

Lou

On Aug 8, 3:51�pm, Cindy Hamilton >
wrote:
> On Aug 8, 10:12�am, Sheldon > wrote:
>
> > No matter what, the Douche'Wayne has more and better. �I don't believe
> > him, I've not ever seen anything he claims. �And automatic dishwashers
> > ruin porcelainized cookware, it will etch the surface the same as it
> > will any glassware, the non stick property will be lost, plus the
> > roughened surface will absorb odors and stink, that's why bars wash
> > all glassware by hand. �No cookware should go in the dishwasher..
> > Duh'Wayne is a LIAR!
>
> Sheldon, are you aware that there is a difference between lying and
> simply being wrong about something?

Those are not tantamount to mathematical errors from transposing
numbers, or spelling errors... those are _deliberate_ LIES... typical
barroom one upmaleship wild exaggerations, and on a steady basis.
Duh'Wayne is no ordinary liar, oh no... Duh'Wayne is a patent liar, a
professional liar, someone who because they've lied throughout their
entire life earnestly believes their right to speak conveys the right
to speak untruths. Cindy, it's you who needs to learn the difference

Talk about thread drift!

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
. ..
> sf : in rec.food.cooking
>
<snip>
>> Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the antique
>> ones. Nothing, nada thing is etched. I don't have hard water, that's
>> why.
<snip>.

> You surely don't put good crystal in the dishwasher... Do you?
>
> Michael <- about to cringe at the thought

Don't know about sf, but I've been putting my good crystal in the dishwasher
as long as I've had one. Even the paper-thin clear goblets look as good as
they did 50-some years ago! I also put antique glassware in there.

And with the exception of hollow-handled pieces, I've been putting my
sterling in there as well (although separated from the stainless).

Maybe a factor is that I don't use the heated drying cycle, I dunno.

Felice

Felice wrote:
> Talk about thread drift!
>
> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> sf : in rec.food.cooking
>>
> <snip>
>>> Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the antique
>>> ones. Nothing, nada thing is etched. I don't have hard water, that's
>>> why.
> <snip>.
>
>> You surely don't put good crystal in the dishwasher... Do you?
>>
>> Michael <- about to cringe at the thought
>
> Don't know about sf, but I've been putting my good crystal in the dishwasher
> as long as I've had one. Even the paper-thin clear goblets look as good as
> they did 50-some years ago! I also put antique glassware in there.
>
> And with the exception of hollow-handled pieces, I've been putting my
> sterling in there as well (although separated from the stainless).
>
> Maybe a factor is that I don't use the heated drying cycle, I dunno.
>
> Felice
>
>
We've done the same for nearly as long. We also don't use the heated
drying cycle.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 8, 11:00?am, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> >On Fri 08 Aug 2008 05:45:44a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
> >> Sheldon >
> :
> >> in rec.food.cooking
>
> >>> Porcelain enamel is glass fired on metal. ?Porcelainized steel
> >>> cookware is very inexpensive; the cookware of choice for shellfish as
> >>> it imparts no metalic taste, is also excellent for cooking tomato
> >>> sauce and braising, especially with kraut. ?Its only drawback is that
> >>> it chips easily and once chipped it must be discarded because it will
> >>> continue to shed glass slivers... porcelain requires careful hand
> >>> washing and is not for klutzes. ?I have a few porcelainized steel
> >>> pieces I've been using for more than 30 years, I love my oval
> >>> roaster. ?Every cook needs one of these:
> >>>http://www.bizrate.com/cooking_baking/oid325300565.html
>
> >> OMG... I have one of these and have used it for maybe 25 years? ?I
> >> can't
> >> even remember where I got it. ?I don't have any chips on it but thanks
> >> for the link. ?At least now I know what it is if I want to replace it
> >> sometime. ?I'm guessing the thing will outlive me
>
> >> Michael
>
> I've got a few too. ?I've never bought one new. ?I see them at resale
> stores and garage sales all the time. ?Here's a very odd sized one.
> You can do anything from make soup to making Italian beef. ?It works
> great for steaming a bunch of tamales. ?I've always heard them called
> speckleware.
>
> http://i36.tinypic.com/kecfms.jpg

Speckleware is just another common brand, they made dinnerware too;
plates, bowls, mugs, even eating utensils, they were popular with
campers... I used to have one of their perculator coffee pots.

Years ago porcelain steel pots were very popular, there were many
brands/many configurations, most were plain white... baby bottle
sterilzers were white with blue or pink pin stripe trim.

http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/prod...yword=cookware


Porcelin pots are common in canning.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> Poor Sheldon. He's dumber than a post!

Well, *that's* quite a generalization -- *my* posts aren't dumb.


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Blinky the Shark > wrote in message
news
> Well, *that's* quite a generalization -- *my* posts
> aren't dumb.

They can talk?

The Ranger

The Ranger wrote:

> Blinky the Shark > wrote in message
> news
> > Well, that's quite a generalization -- my posts
> > aren't dumb.
>
> They can talk?

Can't get 'em to shut up!




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The Ranger wrote:

> Blinky the Shark > wrote in message
> news
>> Well, *that's* quite a generalization -- *my* posts
>> aren't dumb.
>
> They can talk?
>
> The Ranger

Okay, my posts are dumb. Deaf, too, come to think of it. Deaf and dumb.
Yep, that's my posts.


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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:30:12 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\"" >
wrote:

>sf : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Good lord, Sheldon. Get a grip! He explained how he got all that
>> cookware, apparently you missed the post.
>>
>> Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the antique
>> ones. Nothing, nada thing is etched. I don't have hard water, that's
>> why.
>>
>> I don't put pot & pans in the dishwasher, but that's so I'll have more
>> room for dishes. I'll run a glass casserole dish through every now
>> and then because I'm a terrible hand washer. Slam bam, thank you
>> m'am. Done.
>
>You surely don't put good crystal in the dishwasher... Do you?
>
>Michael <- about to cringe at the thought

Actually, I do. Just not the stemware.


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<sf> wrote
>
> Actually, I do. Just not the stemware.
>

There is no reason not to, unless you pack it stupidly so that the stuff
bangs together and gets damaged.

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:30:05 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>Felice wrote:
>> Talk about thread drift!
>>
>> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> sf : in rec.food.cooking
>>>
>> <snip>
>>>> Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the antique
>>>> ones. Nothing, nada thing is etched. I don't have hard water, that's
>>>> why.
>> <snip>.
>>
>>> You surely don't put good crystal in the dishwasher... Do you?
>>>
>>> Michael <- about to cringe at the thought
>>
>> Don't know about sf, but I've been putting my good crystal in the dishwasher
>> as long as I've had one. Even the paper-thin clear goblets look as good as
>> they did 50-some years ago! I also put antique glassware in there.
>>
>> And with the exception of hollow-handled pieces, I've been putting my
>> sterling in there as well (although separated from the stainless).
>>
>> Maybe a factor is that I don't use the heated drying cycle, I dunno.
>>
>> Felice
>>
>>
>We've done the same for nearly as long. We also don't use the heated
>drying cycle.

I sense a theme here and a survey question.

I put in anything that doesn't have a long stem (stems are the weakest
point, so I'm careful about that) and I don't use the heated dry cycle
either.


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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:05:37 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>There is no reason not to, unless you pack it stupidly so that the stuff
>bangs together and gets damaged.

That's the problem. I'm not good at packing stemware.


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On Aug 8, 7:30�pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> The Ranger wrote:
> > Blinky the Shark > wrote in message
> >news
> >> Well, *that's* quite a generalization -- *my* posts
> >> aren't dumb. �
>
> > They can talk?
>
> > The Ranger
>
> Okay, my posts are dumb. �Deaf, too, come to think of it. �Deaf and dumb.
> Yep, that's my posts.

Don't pay those errant lurkers any nevermind... onliest time that
absentee slime comes around is to tear regular posters down thinking
somehow that elevates their low IQ selves, they contribute nothing
useful whatsover.

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:05:37 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>There is no reason not to, unless you pack it stupidly so that the stuff
>>bangs together and gets damaged.
>
> That's the problem. I'm not good at packing stemware.
>
No, I mean regular crystal. I wouldn't wash stemware in the dishwasher.

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
. ..
> sf : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:05:37 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>There is no reason not to, unless you pack it stupidly so that the stuff
>>>bangs together and gets damaged.
>>
>> That's the problem. I'm not good at packing stemware.
>
> Cyberthing is used to her faux Fancy Feast crystal bowl. You can't go by
> anything she says.
>
> Michael
>
>

Aww, look. Now I imagine I am supposed to drop all kinds of expensive name
brands, etc. etc., proving that I hang the hat of my soul upon the dollar
value of my possessions. I'll get right on that, dickface.

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Felice" >
> news >
>>
>> Don't know about sf, but I've been putting my good crystal in the
>> dishwasher as long as I've had one. Even the paper-thin clear goblets
>> look as good as they did 50-some years ago! I also put antique
>> glassware in there.
>>
>> And with the exception of hollow-handled pieces, I've been putting my
>> sterling in there as well (although separated from the stainless).
>>
>> Maybe a factor is that I don't use the heated drying cycle, I dunno.
>
> Other than some antique pieces we've inherited most of our crystal is
> Waterford. I've never put it in the dishwasher and probably never will.
> We hand was them as well as the fine china. Good thing we haven't used
> the
> stuff in about 10 years

ohhh myyyy! WATERFORD. That means you can't possibly be an asshole, right?

On Fri 08 Aug 2008 01:30:12p, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> sf : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Good lord, Sheldon. Get a grip! He explained how he got all that
>> cookware, apparently you missed the post.
>>
>> Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the antique
>> ones. Nothing, nada thing is etched. I don't have hard water, that's
>> why.
>>
>> I don't put pot & pans in the dishwasher, but that's so I'll have more
>> room for dishes. I'll run a glass casserole dish through every now
>> and then because I'm a terrible hand washer. Slam bam, thank you
>> m'am. Done.
>
> You surely don't put good crystal in the dishwasher... Do you?
>
> Michael <- about to cringe at the thought
>

I put all of my crystal in the dishwasher, but I load it very carefully and
very far apart from each other. I use an additive that counteracts our
hard water conditions, and they dry spot free.

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On Fri 08 Aug 2008 06:36:31p, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> sf : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:30:12 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\"" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>sf : in
>>>rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> Good lord, Sheldon. Get a grip! He explained how he got all that
>>>> cookware, apparently you missed the post.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I ALWAYS wash my glasses in the dishwasher - including the
>>>> antique ones. Nothing, nada thing is etched. I don't have hard
>>>> water, that's why.
>>>>
>>>> I don't put pot & pans in the dishwasher, but that's so I'll have
>>>> more room for dishes. I'll run a glass casserole dish through every
>>>> now and then because I'm a terrible hand washer. Slam bam, thank
>>>> you m'am. Done.
>>>
>>>You surely don't put good crystal in the dishwasher... Do you?
>>>
>>>Michael <- about to cringe at the thought
>>
>> Actually, I do. Just not the stemware.
>
> Hmmm... I have always been told that eventually the crystal will become
> cloudy. Must be the heat cycle. Apparently most of the folks responding
> put it in the dishwasher but do not use the heat cycle.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

I even put the stemware in there. Of course, there is some crystal much to
fragile for any dishwasher. I made sure when I bought crystal that I
bought pieces that were stury enough. I've been doing this since the late
1960s and have had a single piece broken or go cloudy.

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On Fri 08 Aug 2008 03:36:32p, Blinky the Shark told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> Poor Sheldon. He's dumber than a post!
>
> Well, *that's* quite a generalization -- *my* posts aren't dumb.
>
>

LOL!!!

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On Fri 08 Aug 2008 06:29:07p, told us...

> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:05:37 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>There is no reason not to, unless you pack it stupidly so that the stuff
>>bangs together and gets damaged.
>
> That's the problem. I'm not good at packing stemware.
>
>

I am. No problem. I've been told by several people that they've never seen
anyone load a dishwasher the way I do. In 40+ years I've never had anything
broken or scratched.

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Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Hmmm... I have always been told that eventually the crystal will
> become cloudy. Must be the heat cycle. Apparently most of the folks
> responding put it in the dishwasher but do not use the heat cycle.

Actually, I think it's the abrasive dishwashing detergent that does
it ... if you've ever looked at an etched glass, it's swirly shallow
scratches going around and around on the inside.

I switched to liquid detergent for a while thinking it would not
cause the etching problem, I don't know if it helps. I don't seem
to have a problem any longer, even though I've gone back to
powdered. Perhaps something has changed in the formulations.

nancy

On Fri 08 Aug 2008 06:34:25p, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> "Felice" >
> news >
>>
>> Don't know about sf, but I've been putting my good crystal in the
>> dishwasher as long as I've had one. Even the paper-thin clear goblets
>> look as good as they did 50-some years ago! I also put antique
>> glassware in there.
>>
>> And with the exception of hollow-handled pieces, I've been putting my
>> sterling in there as well (although separated from the stainless).
>>
>> Maybe a factor is that I don't use the heated drying cycle, I dunno.
>
> Other than some antique pieces we've inherited most of our crystal is
> Waterford. I've never put it in the dishwasher and probably never will.
> We hand was them as well as the fine china. Good thing we haven't used
> the stuff in about 10 years
>
> Michael
>

The only pieces I don't put in are those much older pieces that have 24k
gold trim. That's true for one set of dishes, too, for the same reason.
My stemware is Baccarat, but I also have various pieces of Waterford and
Lalique. It all goes in the DW.

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Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>The only pieces I don't put in are those much older pieces that have 24k
>gold trim. That's true for one set of dishes, too, for the same reason.
>My stemware is Baccarat, but I also have various pieces of Waterford and
>Lalique. It all goes in the DW.

It could be informative to set aside a few pieces of crystal
and never put them through the dishwasher, while routinely
washing in the DW other, identical pieces of
crystal and then comparing them after a few years.

Steve

Felice wrote:

> Don't know about sf, but I've been putting my good crystal in the
> dishwasher as long as I've had one. Even the paper-thin clear goblets look
> as good as they did 50-some years ago! I also put antique glassware in
> there.
>
> And with the exception of hollow-handled pieces, I've been putting my
> sterling in there as well (although separated from the stainless).
>
> Maybe a factor is that I don't use the heated drying cycle, I dunno.

I don't put good crystal into the dishwasher. Even if a piece is in there
all by itself, the dishwasher will jostle it as it cleans, and I'm not
willing to risk its breaking. It's not THAT much trouble to wash crystal by
hand; it's even a bit enjoyable drying and polishing the stuff!

Bob

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:51:16 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
><sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:05:37 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>There is no reason not to, unless you pack it stupidly so that the stuff
>>>bangs together and gets damaged.
>>
>> That's the problem. I'm not good at packing stemware.
>>
>No, I mean regular crystal. I wouldn't wash stemware in the dishwasher.
>
OK, regular crystal isn't a problem. It goes in.


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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:49:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>I am. No problem. I've been told by several people that they've never seen
>anyone load a dishwasher the way I do. In 40+ years I've never had anything
>broken or scratched.

I do short, stem, short, stem.... but I don't like doing it and I
won't sacrifice good crystal to my experiments. LOL


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