Andy <q> wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" said...
>
> > "Gregory Morrow" >
> > m: in
> > rec.food.cooking
> >
> > > Folks, I've recently been reading about the declining health of
> > > Paul Newman...reports give him "weeks" to live.
> > >
> > > I was re - arranging my pantry today and noticed his smiling
> > > face on the labels of his products...
> > >
> > > What's he done for charity with the sale of those products is a
> > > *great* thing...
> > >
> > > Gads, I remember when he and Joanne Woodward were "young" - maybe
> > > I'm getting old, or just waxing nostalgic.
> >
> > We are all getting older every day I don't like it one bit
> > either, but, not a damned thing I can do about it except live every
> > day like it's the last. I've alway been a big fan of Newman.
> > Woodward too. Nostalgia is a good thing. It helps us remember...
> >
> > Michael
>
>
> As seen on TV: the Newman's product line is the brainchild of his
> daughter.

Also seen on TV: Incorrect. The "organics" line is his daughter's doing.
I heard him say so in an interview last year with Jay Leno. He's the one
who started the Newman's product line, not her.

Jill

jmcquown said...

> Andy <q> wrote:
>> Michael "Dog3" said...
>>
>> > "Gregory Morrow" >
>> > m: in
>> > rec.food.cooking
>> >
>> > > Folks, I've recently been reading about the declining health of
>> > > Paul Newman...reports give him "weeks" to live.
>> > >
>> > > I was re - arranging my pantry today and noticed his smiling
>> > > face on the labels of his products...
>> > >
>> > > What's he done for charity with the sale of those products is a
>> > > *great* thing...
>> > >
>> > > Gads, I remember when he and Joanne Woodward were "young" - maybe
>> > > I'm getting old, or just waxing nostalgic.
>> >
>> > We are all getting older every day I don't like it one bit
>> > either, but, not a damned thing I can do about it except live every
>> > day like it's the last. I've alway been a big fan of Newman.
>> > Woodward too. Nostalgia is a good thing. It helps us remember...
>> >
>> > Michael
>>
>>
>> As seen on TV: the Newman's product line is the brainchild of his
>> daughter.
>
> Also seen on TV: Incorrect. The "organics" line is his daughter's
doing.
> I heard him say so in an interview last year with Jay Leno. He's the one
> who started the Newman's product line, not her.
>
> Jill


I stand corrected.

Thanks for the FYI!

Andy

Dimitri wrote:
>
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>
> >> It is, indeed, a reminder that we are all getting older.
> >> I will be 64 next January, and I find it hard to believe. :-)
> >
> > My 50th birthday is tomorrow, and I'd prefer to ignore it.
> >
> > But mom has something arranged for tomorrow afternoon,
> >
> > So, scratch the plan for Grey Goose all day. :-(
>
> So do the Grey Goose today :-)
>
> I'll never tell.
>
> Have a nice birthday.
>
> Dimitri

I just got home. Not enough time left in the day
for that. Also, we went to Todai, an all-you-can-eat
place that offers a free meal on your birthday.
I ate so much meat that I'm in danger of gout
unless I drink a large quantity of water (or
something that contains water, preferably with
malted barley and hops).

Fortunately, I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale,
Widmer Hefeweizen, and Trader Joe's 2007 Vintage
Ale. Sometimes you just gotta force yourself
to take your medicine! :-)

Todai, despite its ridiculously short hours and
insane decor, actually provided rather good food.
The salads and sushi were very good, the hot foods
like tempura and teriyaki chicken less so but
still good.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Dimitri wrote:

<Snip>

> I just got home. Not enough time left in the day
> for that. Also, we went to Todai, an all-you-can-eat
> place that offers a free meal on your birthday.
> I ate so much meat that I'm in danger of gout
> unless I drink a large quantity of water (or
> something that contains water, preferably with
> malted barley and hops).
>
> Fortunately, I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale,
> Widmer Hefeweizen, and Trader Joe's 2007 Vintage
> Ale. Sometimes you just gotta force yourself
> to take your medicine! :-)
>
> Todai, despite its ridiculously short hours and
> insane decor, actually provided rather good food.
> The salads and sushi were very good, the hot foods
> like tempura and teriyaki chicken less so but
> still good.

Todai is one of if not the best all you can eat Japanese buffets I have
found.

It's great place to stuff yourself.

If you're near Torrance there's an all you can eat Korean BBQ called Picnic
Garden

Both not cheap but worth the money.

Dimitri

Nancy Young wrote:
> Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> An excellent reform would be to get rid of defined benefit plans
>> entirely.
>
> That's just about reality the way things stand now, anyway.
> However, defined contribution plans should be mandatory and near
> untouchable.
>
> nancy

I have a family member who got kicked in the face just before he
retired. Years ago companies used to comingle pension funds with their
general funds and we all know the result of that when companies went
bankrupt. Then the government wisely required that the funds be
untouchable and must be held by a trustee. Later some companies made the
right arrangements with the appropriate politicians and claimed that
they should really be able to hold a large portion of the funds and
claimed there would still be sufficient funds with smoke and mirrors
accounting. My family member filed the appropriate notice that he was
going to retire. Not long after the company filed bankruptcy, changed
their name and stayed in business. My family member was informed by the
"new" company that his retirement wasn't their problem. Some government
agency took over and after a year determined that retirees from the
"old" company would get 43% of what they had coming. Also even though
his employment agreement stated that his medical insurance would be paid
the "new" company was not obliged to do it so they didn't.

Dimitri wrote:
>
> Todai is one of if not the best all you can eat Japanese buffets I have
> found.
>
> It's great place to stuff yourself.

Best of a very small field. I know there is (or was)
one in Santa Cruz, but other than that one, I've
never run into another Japanese all-you-can-eat
place.

I generally avoid such places, because I'm usually
a light eater. I figure that I'm subsidizing the
real pigs. It's those 300+ pounders who get the
best value from such restaurants.

Anyway, back to working on my gout prevention.

George > wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:

>> Steve Pope wrote:

>>> An excellent reform would be to get rid of defined benefit plans
>>> entirely.

>> That's just about reality the way things stand now, anyway.
>> However, defined contribution plans should be mandatory and near
>> untouchable.

>I have a family member who got kicked in the face just before he
>retired. Years ago companies used to comingle pension funds with their
>general funds and we all know the result of that when companies went
>bankrupt. Then the government wisely required that the funds be
>untouchable and must be held by a trustee. Later some companies made the
>right arrangements with the appropriate politicians and claimed that
>they should really be able to hold a large portion of the funds and
>claimed there would still be sufficient funds with smoke and mirrors
>accounting. My family member filed the appropriate notice that he was
>going to retire. Not long after the company filed bankruptcy, changed
>their name and stayed in business. My family member was informed by the
>"new" company that his retirement wasn't their problem. Some government
>agency took over and after a year determined that retirees from the
>"old" company would get 43% of what they had coming. Also even though
>his employment agreement stated that his medical insurance would be paid
>the "new" company was not obliged to do it so they didn't.

This kind of behavior is one of the reasons to get rid of
defined benefit plans (which can be underfunded), as well as
any health-care benefits that are unfunded/underfunded.

The taxpayers through the PBGA ("some government agency") guarantee
such pensions up to about $45K/year if the plan goes bust. Perhaps
your family member was expecting a roughly $100K/year pension benefit
and only got 43% of that from the taxpayers. Their expectation was
not realistic.

Steve

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> Todai is one of if not the best all you can eat Japanese buffets I have
>> found.
>>
>> It's great place to stuff yourself.
>
> Best of a very small field. I know there is (or was)
> one in Santa Cruz, but other than that one, I've
> never run into another Japanese all-you-can-eat
> place.
>
> I generally avoid such places, because I'm usually
> a light eater. I figure that I'm subsidizing the
> real pigs. It's those 300+ pounders who get the
> best value from such restaurants.
>
> Anyway, back to working on my gout prevention.

There's a Southern Orange County chain called Shogun however I think it run
by Koreans - certainly not Japanese. Shogun is crap don't bother.

If nothing else Todai is not stingy and has a great variety. My first time
there I was like a kid in a candy store.

Picnic Garden is very good 'cause you get to grill all your food - The
"girls" walk around with scissors.

Dimitri

Steve Pope wrote:
> George > wrote:
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> Steve Pope wrote:
>
>>>> An excellent reform would be to get rid of defined benefit plans
>>>> entirely.
>
>>> That's just about reality the way things stand now, anyway.
>>> However, defined contribution plans should be mandatory and near
>>> untouchable.
>
>> I have a family member who got kicked in the face just before he
>> retired. Years ago companies used to comingle pension funds with their
>> general funds and we all know the result of that when companies went
>> bankrupt. Then the government wisely required that the funds be
>> untouchable and must be held by a trustee. Later some companies made the
>> right arrangements with the appropriate politicians and claimed that
>> they should really be able to hold a large portion of the funds and
>> claimed there would still be sufficient funds with smoke and mirrors
>> accounting. My family member filed the appropriate notice that he was
>> going to retire. Not long after the company filed bankruptcy, changed
>> their name and stayed in business. My family member was informed by the
>> "new" company that his retirement wasn't their problem. Some government
>> agency took over and after a year determined that retirees from the
>> "old" company would get 43% of what they had coming. Also even though
>> his employment agreement stated that his medical insurance would be paid
>> the "new" company was not obliged to do it so they didn't.
>
> This kind of behavior is one of the reasons to get rid of
> defined benefit plans (which can be underfunded), as well as
> any health-care benefits that are unfunded/underfunded.

Why?, just give it to a trustee as before.

>
> The taxpayers through the PBGA ("some government agency") guarantee
> such pensions up to about $45K/year if the plan goes bust. Perhaps
> your family member was expecting a roughly $100K/year pension benefit
> and only got 43% of that from the taxpayers. Their expectation was
> not realistic.
>

It was a lot less than that and about 5 years ago. I don't know the
exact details. I love the way you phrase it like it was his fault. His
expectation was that according to his employment contract he was to get
a certain amount as a pension from his employer. I don't believe he
lobbied congress to lower the reserves that had to be held so things
like that couldn't happen.

> Steve

Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> It is, indeed, a reminder that we are all getting older.
>>>> I will be 64 next January, and I find it hard to believe. :-)
>>> My 50th birthday is tomorrow, and I'd prefer to ignore it.
>>>
>>> But mom has something arranged for tomorrow afternoon,
>>>
>>> So, scratch the plan for Grey Goose all day. :-(
>> Happy Birthday, Mark!
>>
>> You gonna get some more mystery objects perchance?
>
> I keep an eye for them on eBay, but nothing interesting
> has shown up recently.
>
> I did treat myself to some fresh red currants today.
> I've only had them dried before. They looked so
> beautiful fresh -- transparent red like little rubies.
> Rather expensive at $2.99 for a very little container
> of them, but I thought I'd regret not trying them.
>
> They were okay, but disappointing. Not especially
> flavorful, and they have little pits in them. Now,
> I remember that dried currants have those pits, too.
> That's why the first bag of dried currants I bought
> at Trader Joe's was the last.
>
> After buying the currants, I went by the new Asian
> food store to see if I could find that weird bottle
> of "cooking liquor" or the dried fruit I wanted to
> try. I couldn't find either one of them. I guess
> they aren't going to stock them anymore. But after
> trying the currants, and being disappointed, I
> figured I probably would have been even more
> disappointed by the dried fruit. After all, if it
> was such great fruit, why don't all Asian food
> stores carry them?

Try combining red currants with raspberries in some cooked thing.
That is an old combination, that somehow got lost in the last
century or so. It's awesome.

--
Jean B.

On Sun 10 Aug 2008 11:54:59a, Mark Thorson told us...

> "Jean B." wrote:
>>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> >> It is, indeed, a reminder that we are all getting older.
>> >> I will be 64 next January, and I find it hard to believe. :-)
>> >
>> > My 50th birthday is tomorrow, and I'd prefer to ignore it.
>> >
>> > But mom has something arranged for tomorrow afternoon,
>> >
>> > So, scratch the plan for Grey Goose all day. :-(
>>
>> Happy Birthday, Mark!
>>
>> You gonna get some more mystery objects perchance?
>
> I keep an eye for them on eBay, but nothing interesting
> has shown up recently.
>
> I did treat myself to some fresh red currants today.
> I've only had them dried before. They looked so
> beautiful fresh -- transparent red like little rubies.
> Rather expensive at $2.99 for a very little container
> of them, but I thought I'd regret not trying them.
>
> They were okay, but disappointing. Not especially
> flavorful, and they have little pits in them. Now,
> I remember that dried currants have those pits, too.
> That's why the first bag of dried currants I bought
> at Trader Joe's was the last.
>
> After buying the currants, I went by the new Asian
> food store to see if I could find that weird bottle
> of "cooking liquor" or the dried fruit I wanted to
> try. I couldn't find either one of them. I guess
> they aren't going to stock them anymore. But after
> trying the currants, and being disappointed, I
> figured I probably would have been even more
> disappointed by the dried fruit. After all, if it
> was such great fruit, why don't all Asian food
> stores carry them?
>

Fresh red, black, and white currants are not even related to dried
currants, which are actually Zante currents, a type of grape.

http://www.recipezaar.com/library/getentry.zsp?id=236
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zante_currant

--
Date: Aug 10th,2008

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George > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> George > wrote:

>>> I have a family member who got kicked in the face just before he
>>> retired. [..]

>> This kind of behavior is one of the reasons to get rid of
>> defined benefit plans (which can be underfunded), as well as
>> any health-care benefits that are unfunded/underfunded.

>Why?, just give it to a trustee as before.

To my way of thinking, if it's a defined contribution plan,
then you get what was put into it, plus (or minus) the
investment results. There is no real chance of default,
short of outright theft where someone absconds with the
funds. But if it's a defined benefit plan,
you maybe get what you're promised, but maybe not, so the odds
of a dispute (or a taxpayer liability) are a lot higher.

>> The taxpayers through the PBGA ("some government agency") guarantee
>> such pensions up to about $45K/year if the plan goes bust. Perhaps
>> your family member was expecting a roughly $100K/year pension benefit
>> and only got 43% of that from the taxpayers. Their expectation was

>It was a lot less than that and about 5 years ago. I don't know the
>exact details.

The supposed guarantee is (in 2008) up to about $51K/year,
if one retired age 65, but would be smaller if one retired
at a younger age, and it was some smaller amount five years
ago.

If have not heard of settlements of the form "everyone gets a
percentage" but I imagine anything's possible.

> I love the way you phrase it like it was his fault. His
> expectation was that according to his employment contract he
> was to get a certain amount as a pension from his employer.

I don't think it's his fault, but it's certainly not the
taxpayer's fault, and with the taxpayers making good on some
of the defaulted pension in my view he comes out ahead
and the taxpayers (many of whom are struggling to finance
their own retirements) lose.

Why do employees accept a promise of a pension from an
employer anyway, rather than cash up front? There are
two reasons -- the tax advantages of pension plans, and
the fact that they're not given the choice of equivalent cash,
by virtue of the fact that the defined benefit pensions,
while promised, were almost always underfunded. Which
means that the employer/employees never generated enough
value to fund the plan in the first place, which means that if
the taxpayers come in and pay anything (even a fraction) it's
IMO a sweet deal for the recipient and a bad deal for the taxpayers.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
> George > wrote:
>
>> Steve Pope wrote:
>
>>> George > wrote:
>
>>>> I have a family member who got kicked in the face just before he
>>>> retired. [..]
>
>>> This kind of behavior is one of the reasons to get rid of
>>> defined benefit plans (which can be underfunded), as well as
>>> any health-care benefits that are unfunded/underfunded.
>
>> Why?, just give it to a trustee as before.
>
> To my way of thinking, if it's a defined contribution plan,
> then you get what was put into it, plus (or minus) the
> investment results. There is no real chance of default,
> short of outright theft where someone absconds with the
> funds. But if it's a defined benefit plan,
> you maybe get what you're promised, but maybe not, so the odds
> of a dispute (or a taxpayer liability) are a lot higher.

Actually it was really simple. If you were an employer and you had a
pension plan you were required to give the money (it wasn't yours
anyway) to a trustee. That was clean and simple, you could disappear but
the money was still there. Then employers made the proper arrangements
with congress to dilute that requirement so that they could keep money
that wasn't theirs.


>
>>> The taxpayers through the PBGA ("some government agency") guarantee
>>> such pensions up to about $45K/year if the plan goes bust. Perhaps
>>> your family member was expecting a roughly $100K/year pension benefit
>>> and only got 43% of that from the taxpayers. Their expectation was
>
>> It was a lot less than that and about 5 years ago. I don't know the
>> exact details.
>
> The supposed guarantee is (in 2008) up to about $51K/year,
> if one retired age 65, but would be smaller if one retired
> at a younger age, and it was some smaller amount five years
> ago.
>
> If have not heard of settlements of the form "everyone gets a
> percentage" but I imagine anything's possible.
>
>> I love the way you phrase it like it was his fault. His
>> expectation was that according to his employment contract he
>> was to get a certain amount as a pension from his employer.
>
> I don't think it's his fault, but it's certainly not the
> taxpayer's fault,

But congress who is the representative of the taxpayers approved the
change of a solid plan allowing the companies to keep money that wasn't
theirs I am sure after the appropriate envelopes were passed and
guarantees of do nothing $1 Million advisory board seats etc were made.
How do we get rid of corrupt politicians and make them pay?


and with the taxpayers making good on some
> of the defaulted pension in my view he comes out ahead
> and the taxpayers (many of whom are struggling to finance
> their own retirements) lose.
>
> Why do employees accept a promise of a pension from an
> employer anyway, rather than cash up front? There are
> two reasons -- the tax advantages of pension plans, and
> the fact that they're not given the choice of equivalent cash,
> by virtue of the fact that the defined benefit pensions,
> while promised, were almost always underfunded. Which
> means that the employer/employees never generated enough
> value to fund the plan in the first place, which means that if
> the taxpayers come in and pay anything (even a fraction) it's
> IMO a sweet deal for the recipient and a bad deal for the taxpayers.

Actually the plan my family member was in was properly funded until
congress allowed companies to use the pension money according to the
mandatory reporting that had to made by the trustee.

>
> Steve

Andy <q> wrote:
> jmcquown said...
>
> > Andy <q> wrote:
> > > Michael "Dog3" said...
> > >
> > > > "Gregory Morrow" >
> > > > m: in
> > > > rec.food.cooking
> > > >
> > > > > Folks, I've recently been reading about the declining health
> > > > > of Paul Newman...reports give him "weeks" to live.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was re - arranging my pantry today and noticed his smiling
> > > > > face on the labels of his products...
> > > > >
> > > > > What's he done for charity with the sale of those products is
> > > > > a *great* thing...
> > > > >
> > > > > Gads, I remember when he and Joanne Woodward were "young" -
> > > > > maybe I'm getting old, or just waxing nostalgic.
> > > >
> > > > We are all getting older every day I don't like it one bit
> > > > either, but, not a damned thing I can do about it except live
> > > > every day like it's the last. I've alway been a big fan of
> > > > Newman. Woodward too. Nostalgia is a good thing. It helps us
> > > > remember...
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > As seen on TV: the Newman's product line is the brainchild of his
> > > daughter.
> >
> > Also seen on TV: Incorrect. The "organics" line is his daughter's
> > doing. I heard him say so in an interview last year with Jay Leno.
> > He's the one who started the Newman's product line, not her.
> >
> > Jill
>
>
> I stand corrected.
>
> Thanks for the FYI!
>
> Andy

I wouldn't have known if Leno hadn't asked the question! I gather it's a
common misconception. I also got the feeling he was indulging her with the
organics thing. It sounded like he he didn't really think the idea would go
over well.

Jill

jmcquown said...

>> > > As seen on TV: the Newman's product line is the brainchild of his
>> > > daughter.
>> >
>> > Also seen on TV: Incorrect. The "organics" line is his daughter's
>> > doing. I heard him say so in an interview last year with Jay Leno.
>> > He's the one who started the Newman's product line, not her.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>>
>> I stand corrected.
>>
>> Thanks for the FYI!
>>
>> Andy
>
> I wouldn't have known if Leno hadn't asked the question! I gather it's
> a common misconception. I also got the feeling he was indulging her
> with the organics thing. It sounded like he he didn't really think the
> idea would go over well.
>
> Jill


Jill,

I never really followed the Newman product evolution.

The charity end of it is certainly very noble!

Best,

Andy

George > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> I don't think it's his fault, but it's certainly not the
>> taxpayer's fault,

>But congress who is the representative of the taxpayers approved the
>change of a solid plan allowing the companies to keep money that wasn't
>theirs I am sure after the appropriate envelopes were passed and
>guarantees of do nothing $1 Million advisory board seats etc were made.
>How do we get rid of corrupt politicians and make them pay?

Well I don't generally doubt that underregulation results
from Congress being too cozy with the business community,
I'm not aware of outright corruption figuring into loosening of
pension regulations -- at least that has been proven.
Mostly, I think, it's ideological stupidity at work.

>Actually the plan my family member was in was properly funded until
>congress allowed companies to use the pension money according to the
>mandatory reporting that had to made by the trustee.

So, you agree that had it been converted to a defined
contribution plan prior to this de-funding event, he would
have been better off?

That's one of the reasons it's favorable for employers to
convert their plans and give everyone a lump sum with
defined contributions going forward... it avoid future
monkey-business. So, in my opinion, make that transition
mandatory for the remaining such plans. Including the public
sector (police/fire/teachers etc.) because if not the taxpayers
will be on the hook for some astronomical sum.

Steve

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
> On Sun 10 Aug 2008 06:27:23a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
>> (Steve Pope) :
>> in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is, indeed, a reminder that we are all getting older.
>>>> I will be 64 next January, and I find it hard to believe. :-)
>>>
>>> Dude, your extensive career has been too extensive! Retire, Man!!
>>
>> I agree. I retired at around 50. Wayne works too hard. Let's make him
>> do it.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>
> Heh, show me the money! That is absolutely the only reason I go to work.
>
> --
> Date: August(VIII) 10th(X),2008(MMVIII)
>
> *******************************************

Money or Medical Insurance?

Dimitri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Andy <q> wrote:
>> jmcquown said...
>>
>> > Andy <q> wrote:
>> > > Michael "Dog3" said...
>> > >
>> > > > "Gregory Morrow" >
>> > > > m: in
>> > > > rec.food.cooking
>> > > >
>> > > > > Folks, I've recently been reading about the declining health
>> > > > > of Paul Newman...reports give him "weeks" to live.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I was re - arranging my pantry today and noticed his smiling
>> > > > > face on the labels of his products...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What's he done for charity with the sale of those products is
>> > > > > a *great* thing...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Gads, I remember when he and Joanne Woodward were "young" -
>> > > > > maybe I'm getting old, or just waxing nostalgic.
>> > > >
>> > > > We are all getting older every day I don't like it one bit
>> > > > either, but, not a damned thing I can do about it except live
>> > > > every day like it's the last. I've alway been a big fan of
>> > > > Newman. Woodward too. Nostalgia is a good thing. It helps us
>> > > > remember...
>> > > >
>> > > > Michael
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > As seen on TV: the Newman's product line is the brainchild of his
>> > > daughter.
>> >
>> > Also seen on TV: Incorrect. The "organics" line is his daughter's
>> > doing. I heard him say so in an interview last year with Jay Leno.
>> > He's the one who started the Newman's product line, not her.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>>
>> I stand corrected.
>>
>> Thanks for the FYI!
>>
>> Andy
>
> I wouldn't have known if Leno hadn't asked the question! I gather it's a
> common misconception. I also got the feeling he was indulging her with
> the organics thing. It sounded like he he didn't really think the idea
> would go over well.
>
> Jill

here is how it works;

Newman's Own is a food company that was founded by Paul Newman in 1982. The
company makes all-natural salad dressing, pasta sauce, salsa, lemonade and
steak sauce.

Newman's Own Organics was founded in 1993 by Paul Newman's daughter, Nell
Newman, as a division of Newman's Own. It became a separate company in late
2000. Their motto is "Great Tasting Products That Happen to Be Organic."
Their products include organic pretzels, cookies, popcorn, chocolate bars,
peppermint cups, peanut butter cups, olive oil and vinegar, dried fruit,
fair trade coffee and pet food.

For more information about Newman's Own Organics and their products, please
visit www.newmansownorganics.com.

BTW so far they have given over 250 million dollars.
http://www.newmansown.com/camps.cfm



Dimitri

On Mon 11 Aug 2008 10:44:09a, Dimitri told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>> On Sun 10 Aug 2008 06:27:23a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>>
>>> (Steve Pope) :
>>> in rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is, indeed, a reminder that we are all getting older.
>>>>> I will be 64 next January, and I find it hard to believe. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Dude, your extensive career has been too extensive! Retire, Man!!
>>>
>>> I agree. I retired at around 50. Wayne works too hard. Let's make
him
>>> do it.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Heh, show me the money! That is absolutely the only reason I go to
work.
>>
>> --
>> Date: August(VIII) 10th(X),2008(MMVIII)
>>
>> *******************************************
>
> Money or Medical Insurance?
>
> Dimitri
>
>

Both, actually. We need the two incomes, and we each have insurance where
we work. The company I work for has recently added the option of including
domestic partners under our health insurance; however, David's insurance is
better than mine, and does not have that option, so we have each kept our
own.

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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.250...
> On Mon 11 Aug 2008 10:44:09a, Dimitri told us...

<snip>

>>>
>>> Heh, show me the money! That is absolutely the only reason I go to
> work.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: August(VIII) 10th(X),2008(MMVIII)
>>>
>>> *******************************************
>>
>> Money or Medical Insurance?
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
>>
>
> Both, actually. We need the two incomes, and we each have insurance where
> we work. The company I work for has recently added the option of
> including
> domestic partners under our health insurance; however, David's insurance
> is
> better than mine, and does not have that option, so we have each kept our
> own.
>
> --
> Date: Monday, 08(VIII)/11(XI)/08(MMVIII)


I actually decided to retire early in mach of 06 when I figured between
COBRA & CAL COBRA I could cover the medical insurance at decent rates (what
the employer pays). As it turns out I kept working on a consulting basis.

The insurance gap for couples unless they have the same birthday is horrid
if you have to buy private insurance. Lets say you could get $2,000.00 per
month from SS. A private medical policy could run from 500+ to $1,000.00 per
month. Its insane,

Dimitri

Dimitri wrote:

> Todai is one of if not the best all you can eat Japanese buffets I have
> found.
>
> It's great place to stuff yourself.
>
> If you're near Torrance there's an all you can eat Korean BBQ called
> Picnic Garden
>
> Both not cheap but worth the money.
>
> Dimitri

The Todai in Houston and Las Vegas was pretty good. Kirin in Houston is
also a buffet, they are my favorite of the two. They have sushi on one
side and hot Japanese food on the other side. Todai is good, though, I
enjoyed it.

Becca

On Mon 11 Aug 2008 11:09:11a, Dimitri told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.250...
>> On Mon 11 Aug 2008 10:44:09a, Dimitri told us...
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>
>>>> Heh, show me the money! That is absolutely the only reason I go to
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Date: August(VIII) 10th(X),2008(MMVIII)
>>>>
>>>> *******************************************
>>>
>>> Money or Medical Insurance?
>>>
>>> Dimitri
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Both, actually. We need the two incomes, and we each have insurance
>> where we work. The company I work for has recently added the option of
>> including domestic partners under our health insurance; however,
>> David's insurance is better than mine, and does not have that option,
>> so we have each kept our own.
>>
>> --
>> Date: Monday, 08(VIII)/11(XI)/08(MMVIII)
>
>
> I actually decided to retire early in mach of 06 when I figured between
> COBRA & CAL COBRA I could cover the medical insurance at decent rates
> (what the employer pays). As it turns out I kept working on a consulting
> basis.
>
> The insurance gap for couples unless they have the same birthday is
> horrid if you have to buy private insurance. Lets say you could get
> $2,000.00 per month from SS. A private medical policy could run from
> 500+ to $1,000.00 per month. Its insane,
>
> Dimitri
>
>

That's one of the reasons why I decided to keep working. At the age when
Medicare kicks in, my gap coverage will only run about $75/mo. Until the,
I will still have my full medical coverage from work.

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Dimitri wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Andy <q> wrote:
>>> jmcquown said...
>>>
>>> > Andy <q> wrote:
>>> > > Michael "Dog3" said...
>>> > >
>>> > > > "Gregory Morrow" >
>>> > > > m: in
>>> > > > rec.food.cooking
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Folks, I've recently been reading about the declining health
>>> > > > > of Paul Newman...reports give him "weeks" to live.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I was re - arranging my pantry today and noticed his smiling
>>> > > > > face on the labels of his products...
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > What's he done for charity with the sale of those products is
>>> > > > > a *great* thing...
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Gads, I remember when he and Joanne Woodward were "young" -
>>> > > > > maybe I'm getting old, or just waxing nostalgic.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > We are all getting older every day I don't like it one bit
>>> > > > either, but, not a damned thing I can do about it except live
>>> > > > every day like it's the last. I've alway been a big fan of
>>> > > > Newman. Woodward too. Nostalgia is a good thing. It helps us
>>> > > > remember...
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Michael
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > As seen on TV: the Newman's product line is the brainchild of his
>>> > > daughter.
>>> >
>>> > Also seen on TV: Incorrect. The "organics" line is his daughter's
>>> > doing. I heard him say so in an interview last year with Jay Leno.
>>> > He's the one who started the Newman's product line, not her.
>>> >
>>> > Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> I stand corrected.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the FYI!
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> I wouldn't have known if Leno hadn't asked the question! I gather
>> it's a common misconception. I also got the feeling he was indulging
>> her with the organics thing. It sounded like he he didn't really
>> think the idea would go over well.
>>
>> Jill
>
> here is how it works;
>
> Newman's Own is a food company that was founded by Paul Newman in 1982.
> The company makes all-natural salad dressing, pasta sauce, salsa,
> lemonade and steak sauce.
>
> Newman's Own Organics was founded in 1993 by Paul Newman's daughter,
> Nell Newman, as a division of Newman's Own. It became a separate company
> in late 2000. Their motto is "Great Tasting Products That Happen to Be
> Organic." Their products include organic pretzels, cookies, popcorn,
> chocolate bars, peppermint cups, peanut butter cups, olive oil and
> vinegar, dried fruit, fair trade coffee and pet food.
>
> For more information about Newman's Own Organics and their products,
> please visit www.newmansownorganics.com.
>
> BTW so far they have given over 250 million dollars.
> http://www.newmansown.com/camps.cfm
>
>
>
> Dimitri

So I gather the HFCS is considered to be "all natural"!

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Jean B.