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Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac & Cheese).

In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips. The Scots
often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!

But who imported it where?

Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?


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"Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
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> Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac & Cheese).
>
> In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips. The Scots
> often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
>
> But who imported it where?
>
> Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?
>
>


I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:

http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor

Macaroni and cheese was invented by the third president of the United
States, Thomas Jefferson. It continues to be a favorite Presidential dish.


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Chris Marksberry wrote:
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> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor


Isn't weird how the red headlines seem to be floating
in front of the background and the rest of the text.
I wonder how that works.
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Chris Marksberry wrote:
> "Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
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>> Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac & Cheese).
>>
>> In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips. The Scots
>> often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
>>
>> But who imported it where?
>>
>> Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?
>>
>>

>
> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor
>
> Macaroni and cheese was invented by the third president of the United
> States, Thomas Jefferson. It continues to be a favorite Presidential dish.
>
>

It's extremely dangerous to say someone invented such a dish.
There are precedents that go back at least as far as the
14th-century Forme of Cury!

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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
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> Chris Marksberry wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor

>
> Isn't weird how the red headlines seem to be floating
> in front of the background and the rest of the text.
> I wonder how that works.


It looked like normal font color red on a black background to me. Nothing
floating there. lol



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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Chris Marksberry wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
>>>
>>> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor

>>
>> Isn't weird how the red headlines seem to be floating
>> in front of the background and the rest of the text.
>> I wonder how that works.

>
> It looked like normal font color red on a black background to me. Nothing
> floating there. lol


I know the food purists will jeer, but one of my guilty pleasures - i.e.
comfort foods - is chili mac. I don't know where *that* macaroni dish
originated - probably on some turn-of-the century N. American homestead.

- nilita


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On Aug 10, 6:40*pm, "La N" > wrote:

> I know the food purists will jeer, but one of my guilty pleasures - i.e.
> comfort foods - is chili mac. *I don't know where *that* macaroni dish
> originated - probably on some turn-of-the century N. American homestead.
>
> - nilita



My family gets on a Macaroni and Cheese kick every once in awhile. I
have a couple grandkids, who are Mac and Cheese addicts, but they like
that awful stuff that comes in Kraft boxes. If I try to make my own
recipe from scratch, they will flat out tell me, they want their Mac
and Cheese "unmessed" with!

Myrl Jeffcoat



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Mark Thorson > wrote:

:Chris Marksberry wrote:
:>
:> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
:>
:> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor
:
:Isn't weird how the red headlines seem to be floating
:in front of the background and the rest of the text.
:I wonder how that works.
:

You aren't by chance using a monitor with a tube in it rather than a
flat panel, are you?

Sounds like tube collimation error to me...

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:14:44 -0700, Fred J. McCall
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>You aren't by chance using a monitor with a tube in it rather than a
>flat panel, are you?
>
>Sounds like tube collimation error to me...


Sounds more like he needs glasses - or a new prescription.


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Chris Marksberry > wrote:
> "Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac &
> > Cheese). In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips. The
> > Scots often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
> >
> > But who imported it where?
> >
> > Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?
> >
> >

>
> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor
>
> Macaroni and cheese was invented by the third president of the United
> States, Thomas Jefferson. It continues to be a favorite Presidential
> dish.


By all accounts Thomas Jefferson ate something very similar while in Italy.
He started having the the cooks at Monticello make it (he called it
"macaroni pie" probably because it was baked) and served it to many guests.

Jill



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jmcquown said...

> Chris Marksberry > wrote:
>> "Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac &
>> > Cheese). In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips.
>> > The Scots often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
>> >
>> > But who imported it where?
>> >
>> > Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?
>> >
>> >

>>
>> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor
>>
>> Macaroni and cheese was invented by the third president of the United
>> States, Thomas Jefferson. It continues to be a favorite Presidential
>> dish.

>
> By all accounts Thomas Jefferson ate something very similar while in
> Italy. He started having the the cooks at Monticello make it (he called
> it "macaroni pie" probably because it was baked) and served it to many
> guests.
>
> Jill



Jill,

Nice anecdote!

Thanks!

If only I could've been there, I could've changed the course of history!
LOL!

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On Mon 11 Aug 2008 05:43:52a, Andy told us...

> jmcquown said...
>
>> Chris Marksberry > wrote:
>>> "Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac &
>>> > Cheese). In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips.
>>> > The Scots often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
>>> >
>>> > But who imported it where?
>>> >
>>> > Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
>>>
>>> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor
>>>
>>> Macaroni and cheese was invented by the third president of the United
>>> States, Thomas Jefferson. It continues to be a favorite Presidential
>>> dish.

>>
>> By all accounts Thomas Jefferson ate something very similar while in
>> Italy. He started having the the cooks at Monticello make it (he called
>> it "macaroni pie" probably because it was baked) and served it to many
>> guests.
>>
>> Jill

>
>
> Jill,
>
> Nice anecdote!
>
> Thanks!
>
> If only I could've been there, I could've changed the course of history!
> LOL!
>
> Andy
> M&C Fool
>


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Wayne Boatwright said...

> On Mon 11 Aug 2008 05:43:52a, Andy told us...
>
>> jmcquown said...
>>
>>> Chris Marksberry > wrote:
>>>> "Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac &
>>>> > Cheese). In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips.
>>>> > The Scots often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
>>>> >
>>>> > But who imported it where?
>>>> >
>>>> > Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't say this is written in stone, but here's what I found:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.geocities.com/macandchees....html#inventor
>>>>
>>>> Macaroni and cheese was invented by the third president of the United
>>>> States, Thomas Jefferson. It continues to be a favorite Presidential
>>>> dish.
>>>
>>> By all accounts Thomas Jefferson ate something very similar while in
>>> Italy. He started having the the cooks at Monticello make it (he called
>>> it "macaroni pie" probably because it was baked) and served it to many
>>> guests.
>>>
>>> Jill

>>
>>
>> Jill,
>>
>> Nice anecdote!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> If only I could've been there, I could've changed the course of history!
>> LOL!
>>
>> Andy
>> M&C Fool
>>

>
> Yankee Doodle Andy!



LOLOLOL!!!

Good one, Wayne!!!

LOLOLOL!!!

Best,

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Lets face it, the scots use tomato ketchup and chips with everything,
including cornflakes.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:56:19 -0700 (PDT), Myrl Jeffcoat wrote:

> On Aug 10, 6:40*pm, "La N" > wrote:
>
>> I know the food purists will jeer, but one of my guilty pleasures - i.e.
>> comfort foods - is chili mac. *I don't know where *that* macaroni dish
>> originated - probably on some turn-of-the century N. American homestead.
>>
>> - nilita

>
>
> My family gets on a Macaroni and Cheese kick every once in awhile. I
> have a couple grandkids, who are Mac and Cheese addicts, but they like
> that awful stuff that comes in Kraft boxes. If I try to make my own
> recipe from scratch, they will flat out tell me, they want their Mac
> and Cheese "unmessed" with!
>
> Myrl Jeffcoat


time to revise your will.

your pal,
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:16:54 +0100, "Starbuck"
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>Lets face it, the scots use tomato ketchup and chips with everything,
>including cornflakes.


Not quite, but I do find the deep-fried pies and battered everything
unappetising.

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Myrl Jeffcoat wrote:
> On Aug 10, 6:40 pm, "La N" > wrote:
>
>> I know the food purists will jeer, but one of my guilty pleasures - i.e.
>> comfort foods - is chili mac. I don't know where *that* macaroni dish
>> originated - probably on some turn-of-the century N. American homestead.
>>
>> - nilita

>
>
> My family gets on a Macaroni and Cheese kick every once in awhile. I
> have a couple grandkids, who are Mac and Cheese addicts, but they like
> that awful stuff that comes in Kraft boxes. If I try to make my own
> recipe from scratch, they will flat out tell me, they want their Mac
> and Cheese "unmessed" with!
>
> Myrl Jeffcoat
>

For many years, my daughter would only eat Annie's. Now she will
eat homemade sometimes.

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On Aug 10, 7:17*pm, Corey Richardson >
wrote:
> Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac & Cheese).
>
> In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips. The Scots
> often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
>
> But who imported it where?
>
> Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?



When did the proper "macaroni AND cheese" become "macaroni cheese?"
There is no such kind of cheese called "macaroni." This is one of
those things that just drives me nuts. Sorry.

Let's put the "and" back in "macaroni and cheese."

N.
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"Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:16:54 +0100, "Starbuck"
> > wrote:
>
>>Lets face it, the scots use tomato ketchup and chips with everything,
>>including cornflakes.

>
> Not quite, but I do find the deep-fried pies and battered everything
> unappetising.
>


You mean like battered icecream?


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:11:43 +0100, "Starbuck"
> wrote:

>
>"Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:16:54 +0100, "Starbuck"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Lets face it, the scots use tomato ketchup and chips with everything,
>>>including cornflakes.

>>
>> Not quite, but I do find the deep-fried pies and battered everything
>> unappetising.
>>

>
>You mean like battered icecream?


Yes, and:

Sausages
Mars Bars
Burgers
Haggis
Pizza

etc.


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On Aug 10, 7:17 pm, Corey Richardson >
wrote:
> Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac & Cheese).
>
> In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips. The Scots
> often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
>
> But who imported it where?
>
> Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?



When did the proper "macaroni AND cheese" become "macaroni cheese?"
There is no such kind of cheese called "macaroni." This is one of
those things that just drives me nuts. Sorry.

Let's put the "and" back in "macaroni and cheese."

N.

I agree, but Brits and Canadians seem to like to leave words out that
Americans include... They go to University instead of "The University" and
Hospital instead of "the hospital". At least we can still understand each
other!

Chris


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Chris Marksberry wrote:

>
> When did the proper "macaroni AND cheese" become "macaroni cheese?"
> There is no such kind of cheese called "macaroni." This is one of
> those things that just drives me nuts. Sorry.
>
> Let's put the "and" back in "macaroni and cheese."
>
> N.
>
> I agree, but Brits and Canadians seem to like to leave words out that
> Americans include... They go to University instead of "The University" and
> Hospital instead of "the hospital". At least we can still understand each
> other!


We do? Canadians who go to university go to (a) university, as opposed to
other post secondary students who go to (a) college, There is a difference
between the two. We go to "the hospital". and BTW..... Out is pronounced out,
not oot., thought route rhymes with root.

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On Aug 11, 3:34*pm, "Chris Marksberry"
> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 7:17 pm, Corey Richardson >
> wrote:
>
> > Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac & Cheese)..

>
> > In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips. The Scots
> > often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!

>
> > But who imported it where?

>
> > Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?

>
> When did the proper "macaroni AND cheese" become "macaroni cheese?"
> There is no such kind of cheese called "macaroni." *This is one of
> those things that just drives me nuts. *Sorry.
>
> Let's put the "and" back in "macaroni and cheese."
>
> N.
>
> I agree, but Brits and Canadians seem to like to leave words out that
> Americans include... *They go to University instead of "The University" and
> Hospital instead of "the hospital". *At least we can still understand each
> other!
>
> Chris


But in your examples, here's where it gets crazy: Americans go "to
school," but "to the university," and "to the hospital." Makes no
sense whatsoever. LOL.

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Nancy2 wrote:
> On Aug 11, 3:34 pm, "Chris Marksberry"
> > wrote:
>> I agree, but Brits and Canadians seem to like to leave words out that
>> Americans include... They go to University instead of "The University" and
>> Hospital instead of "the hospital". At least we can still understand each
>> other!
>>
>> Chris

>
> But in your examples, here's where it gets crazy: Americans go "to
> school," but "to the university," and "to the hospital." Makes no
> sense whatsoever. LOL.


Actually, Americans tend to say they're going "to college" or are "in
college" rather than "university." We rarely state that we are attending
a "university" or "the university" unless asked what college we go to
and it happens to "university" in it's name.

I attended two colleges in a university system. At neither time did I
say that I was attending the university, and in fact we were instructed
specifically that we were NOT attending a university.
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Pennyaline wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Aug 11, 3:34 pm, "Chris Marksberry"
>> > wrote:
>>> I agree, but Brits and Canadians seem to like to leave words out
>>> that Americans include... They go to University instead of "The
>>> University" and Hospital instead of "the hospital". At least we
>>> can still understand each other!
>>>
>>> Chris

>>
>> But in your examples, here's where it gets crazy: Americans go "to
>> school," but "to the university," and "to the hospital." Makes no
>> sense whatsoever. LOL.

>
> Actually, Americans tend to say they're going "to college" or are "in
> college" rather than "university." We rarely state that we are
> attending a "university" or "the university" unless asked what
> college we go to and it happens to "university" in it's name.
>
> I attended two colleges in a university system. At neither time did I
> say that I was attending the university, and in fact we were
> instructed specifically that we were NOT attending a university.


We just used to say Uni.





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On Mon 11 Aug 2008 11:59:37p, Ophelia told us...

> Pennyaline wrote:
>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>> On Aug 11, 3:34 pm, "Chris Marksberry"
>>> > wrote:
>>>> I agree, but Brits and Canadians seem to like to leave words out
>>>> that Americans include... They go to University instead of "The
>>>> University" and Hospital instead of "the hospital". At least we
>>>> can still understand each other!
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> But in your examples, here's where it gets crazy: Americans go "to
>>> school," but "to the university," and "to the hospital." Makes no
>>> sense whatsoever. LOL.

>>
>> Actually, Americans tend to say they're going "to college" or are "in
>> college" rather than "university." We rarely state that we are
>> attending a "university" or "the university" unless asked what
>> college we go to and it happens to "university" in it's name.
>>
>> I attended two colleges in a university system. At neither time did I
>> say that I was attending the university, and in fact we were
>> instructed specifically that we were NOT attending a university.

>
> We just used to say Uni.


I was taught phrasing like the following:

to the hospital
in the hospital
to school
at school
to college
in college
at the university
in the United States
to the United States
in the United Kingdom
to the United Kingdom
in Russia
to Russia
in Ukraine
to Ukraine

To some degree I understand the differentiation in the use of the article
"the". To another degree, I don't. :-)

At some point I remember beginning to hear people saying "in hospital". It
still sounds strange to me.

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:37:00 -0600, Pennyaline wrote:

> Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Aug 11, 3:34 pm, "Chris Marksberry"
>> > wrote:
>>> I agree, but Brits and Canadians seem to like to leave words out that
>>> Americans include... They go to University instead of "The University" and
>>> Hospital instead of "the hospital". At least we can still understand each
>>> other!
>>>
>>> Chris

>>
>> But in your examples, here's where it gets crazy: Americans go "to
>> school," but "to the university," and "to the hospital." Makes no
>> sense whatsoever. LOL.

>
> Actually, Americans tend to say they're going "to college" or are "in
> college" rather than "university." We rarely state that we are attending
> a "university" or "the university" unless asked what college we go to
> and it happens to "university" in it's name.
>
> I attended two colleges in a university system. At neither time did I
> say that I was attending the university, and in fact we were instructed
> specifically that we were NOT attending a university.


i usually dispense with either 'college' or 'university,' saying instead
something like 'when i was at school.' of course, some people, reflecting
on my barbarous aspect, assume i'm referring to reform school.

your pal,
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"blake murphy" > wrote
> i usually dispense with either 'college' or 'university,' saying instead
> something like 'when i was at school.'


That's what I say, too. It's natural to assume people will know you're
talking about the *last time* you were at school, not high school.

>of course, some people, reflecting
> on my barbarous aspect, assume i'm referring to reform school.
>


Did they want to send you, too?


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"Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
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> Macaroni Cheese is extremely popular in Scotland (like US Mac & Cheese).
>
> In Scotland it's often eaten with tomato ketchup and chips. The Scots
> often eat Cheese Macaroni Cheese pies too!
>
> But who imported it where?
>
> Did the Scots export this cuisine to the US, or was it the Italians?
>
>


The English-or rather the 'first English-Americans.
Mac cheese is synonymous with 'college kids' and/or 'bachelors'.


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blake murphy wrote:
i usually dispense with either 'college' or 'university,' saying
> instead something like 'when i was at school.' of course, some
> people, reflecting on my barbarous aspect, assume i'm referring to
> reform school.


... and you are not???

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> blake murphy wrote:
> i usually dispense with either 'college' or 'university,' saying
>> instead something like 'when i was at school.' of course, some
>> people, reflecting on my barbarous aspect, assume i'm referring to
>> reform school.

>
> .. and you are not???
>


I know. There is something so sexy about a man who has been behind bars.









I'm KIDDING.

That one was for my fan club.


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cybercat wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>> blake murphy wrote:
>> i usually dispense with either 'college' or 'university,' saying
>>> instead something like 'when i was at school.' of course, some
>>> people, reflecting on my barbarous aspect, assume i'm referring to
>>> reform school.

>>
>> .. and you are not???
>>

>
> I know. There is something so sexy about a man who has been behind
> bars.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm KIDDING.
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> That one was for my fan club.


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>The English-or rather the 'first English-Americans.
>Mac cheese is synonymous with 'college kids' and/or 'bachelors'.


That's why we call it "Baked Ziti" in my household.

Steve
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> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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> > blake murphy wrote:
> > i usually dispense with either 'college' or 'university,' saying
> >> instead something like 'when i was at school.' of course, some
> >> people, reflecting on my barbarous aspect, assume i'm referring to
> >> reform school.

> >
> > .. and you are not???
> >

>
> I know. There is something so sexy about a man who has been behind bars.
>
>



In your next life you'll be the whore at the prison R-0-D-E-O ...


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> wrote:

>(Steve Pope) wrote:


>>Kswck > wrote:


>>>The English-or rather the 'first English-Americans.
>>>Mac cheese is synonymous with 'college kids' and/or 'bachelors'.


>>That's why we call it "Baked Ziti" in my household.


>I thought baked ziti had a red sauce.


>Obviously I'm not Italian.



Yes, when I make baked ziti and/or macaroni and cheese,
it includes a red sauce.

French people might include a white sauce instead.

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> > But in your examples, here's where it gets crazy: Americans go "to
> > school," but "to the university," and "to the hospital." Makes no
> > sense whatsoever. LOL.

>
> Actually, Americans tend to say they're going "to college" or are "in
> college" rather than "university." We rarely state that we are attending
> a "university" or "the university" unless asked what college we go to
> and it happens to "university" in it's name.
>


In Canada, university and college are two different forms of post secondary
education. Colleges tend to be more career oriented, offering courses like
Computer Studies or Computer Engineering Technology. Hospitality and Tourism,
Mechanical Studies, Culinary Studies and various apprenticeships, and upon
completion you receive a diploma. University are more likely to have course in
the arts, sciences and social sciences and tend to emphasize research skills. Upon
graduation you are given a degree rather than a diploma.

> I attended two colleges in a university system. At neither time did I
> say that I was attending the university, and in fact we were instructed
> specifically that we were NOT attending a university.


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>Sorry, my mind isn't wrapping around this.... your mac & cheese has a
>red sauce?


For sure. That's how my mother made it -- with tomatos or tomato
sauce, and cheddar cheese.

Steve
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