In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
or 25ml respectively.

What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?

Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +0100:

> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub
> is 35ml or 25ml respectively.

> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?

I'm not sure how consistent it is in the US. It is usually agreed that a
"shot" is 1.5 oz (44ml) but there are all sorts of strange things like
"jigger" and "pony". I usually stick to beer :-)


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Corey Richardson wrote:
> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
> or 25ml respectively.
>
>
Ummm....
Surely you meant to say 'in Scotland and in England'?

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:35:24 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>Corey Richardson wrote:
>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
>> or 25ml respectively.
>>
>>
>Ummm....
>Surely you meant to say 'in Scotland and in England'?

Whoops! Sorry yes!

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +0100:
>
>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub
>> is 35ml or 25ml respectively.
>
>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>
>I'm not sure how consistent it is in the US. It is usually agreed that a
>"shot" is 1.5 oz (44ml) but there are all sorts of strange things like
>"jigger" and "pony". I usually stick to beer :-)

Thanks. Interesting. I wondered why Americans looked at single shot in
the UK funny.

Corey Richardson wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:35:24 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>>Corey Richardson wrote:
>>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
>>> or 25ml respectively.
>>>
>>>
>>Ummm....
>>Surely you meant to say 'in Scotland and in England'?
>
> Whoops! Sorry yes!

Wait. The Scots are more generous?


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Corey Richardson wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
>> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +0100:
>>
>>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub
>>> is 35ml or 25ml respectively.
>>
>>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>>
>>I'm not sure how consistent it is in the US. It is usually agreed that a
>>"shot" is 1.5 oz (44ml) but there are all sorts of strange things like
>>"jigger" and "pony". I usually stick to beer :-)
>
> Thanks. Interesting. I wondered why Americans looked at single shot in
> the UK funny.

Here's a good USan example. Shot glass, showing 1.5oz/45ml to be a shot,
next to a pony/jigger measurer that doesn't say how much either of those
are.

http://www.homebarsupplys.com/mix_ac...measuring.html

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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Corey Richardson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT, "James Silverton"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +0100:
>>>
>>>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub
>>>> is 35ml or 25ml respectively.
>>>
>>>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>>>
>>>I'm not sure how consistent it is in the US. It is usually agreed that a
>>>"shot" is 1.5 oz (44ml) but there are all sorts of strange things like
>>>"jigger" and "pony". I usually stick to beer :-)
>>
>> Thanks. Interesting. I wondered why Americans looked at single shot in
>> the UK funny.
>
> Here's a good USan example. Shot glass, showing 1.5oz/45ml to be a shot,
> next to a pony/jigger measurer that doesn't say how much either of those
> are.
>
> http://www.homebarsupplys.com/mix_ac...measuring.html

And down blow is a measuring bottle spout that gives 1oz (2/3 shot?) of
booze at a time.


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Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +0100:

> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?

Depends who you ask. "Joy of Cooking" says to never put less
than 2 fluid ounces (U.S.) of liquor into a mixed drink.
Most American bartenders would agree. The exceptions are
places like many airport bars, and other captive vendors like bars
at concert venues and music festivals, where they often measure
1.5 ounces, just to be cheap.

"Time Out", in its New York City guidebook, suggests that most drinks
in NYC would be a "treble" by U.K. standards; that suggests at least
75 millliters, or close to three ounces, or possibly more.

There may be some jurisdictions within the U.S. where measured
pours are required, but if so they are uncommon.

Steve

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>I'm not sure how consistent it is in the US. It is usually agreed that a
>"shot" is 1.5 oz (44ml) but there are all sorts of strange things like
>"jigger" and "pony". I usually stick to beer :-)

I used to think a shot was one ounce and a jigger is 1.5 ounce. I
think a typical drink is supposed to be 1.5 ounce.
--
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In article >,
EZ Larry > wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
> >I'm not sure how consistent it is in the US. It is usually agreed that a
> >"shot" is 1.5 oz (44ml) but there are all sorts of strange things like
> >"jigger" and "pony". I usually stick to beer :-)
>
> I used to think a shot was one ounce and a jigger is 1.5 ounce. I
> think a typical drink is supposed to be 1.5 ounce.

In my part of the world (N. Calif.), most bartenders don't pre-measure
with shot glasses but "count" instead. They count silently to
themselves as the pour through that standard sort of spout that bars
have on all their bottles. Some drink might be a "two count" or a "three
count" depending on the recipe. As you might expect, there is some
variability here. Reputations for generosity or stinginess are easily
established here in my smallish college town.

D.M.
--
greatvalleyimages.com

Blinky the Shark > wrote:

>Wait. The Scots are more generous?

Under the previous order, a shot was 1/6 gill in England,
1/5 gill in Scotland outside of Glasgow, and 1/4 gill in
Glasgow.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:

> Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>
>>Wait. The Scots are more generous?
>
> Under the previous order, a shot was 1/6 gill in England,
> 1/5 gill in Scotland outside of Glasgow, and 1/4 gill in
> Glasgow.

So much for all those jokes.

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Blinky the Shark > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Blinky the Shark > wrote:

>>>Wait. The Scots are more generous?

>> Under the previous order, a shot was 1/6 gill in England,
>> 1/5 gill in Scotland outside of Glasgow, and 1/4 gill in
>> Glasgow.

>So much for all those jokes.

I think, in the past, it had more to do with proximity to
distilleries.

Steve

On 2008-08-12, S Viemeister wrote:

> Corey Richardson wrote:
>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
>> or 25ml respectively.
>>
>>
> Ummm....
> Surely you meant to say 'in Scotland and in England'?

And Wales.


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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:47:56 +0100, Corey Richardson wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
>> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +0100:
>>
>>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub
>>> is 35ml or 25ml respectively.
>>
>>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>>
>>I'm not sure how consistent it is in the US. It is usually agreed that a
>>"shot" is 1.5 oz (44ml) but there are all sorts of strange things like
>>"jigger" and "pony". I usually stick to beer :-)
>
> Thanks. Interesting. I wondered why Americans looked at single shot in
> the UK funny.

it may be the mechanical dispenser, if that's what your talking about.
very rare in the u.s.

your pal,
blake

"Donald Martinich" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> EZ Larry > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT, "James Silverton"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I'm not sure how consistent it is in the US. It is usually agreed that a
>> >"shot" is 1.5 oz (44ml) but there are all sorts of strange things like
>> >"jigger" and "pony". I usually stick to beer :-)
>>
>> I used to think a shot was one ounce and a jigger is 1.5 ounce. I
>> think a typical drink is supposed to be 1.5 ounce.
>
> In my part of the world (N. Calif.), most bartenders don't pre-measure
> with shot glasses but "count" instead. They count silently to
> themselves as the pour through that standard sort of spout that bars
> have on all their bottles. Some drink might be a "two count" or a "three
> count" depending on the recipe. As you might expect, there is some
> variability here. Reputations for generosity or stinginess are easily
> established here in my smallish college town.
>
> D.M.
> --
> greatvalleyimages.com

Not necessarily.

Today most of the bar pour spouts are metered.

http://www.foodservicedirect.com/ind...sured_Pour.htm

:-(

Bummer.

Dimitri

Dimitri > wrote:

>"Donald Martinich" > wrote in message

>> In my part of the world (N. Calif.), most bartenders don't pre-measure
>> with shot glasses but "count" instead. They count silently to
>> themselves as the pour through that standard sort of spout that bars
>> have on all their bottles. Some drink might be a "two count" or a "three
>> count" depending on the recipe. As you might expect, there is some
>> variability here. Reputations for generosity or stinginess are easily
>> established here in my smallish college town.

>Not necessarily.
>
>Today most of the bar pour spouts are metered.

>http://www.foodservicedirect.com/ind...sured_Pour.htm

While this is an interesting link, it hardly establishes any
claim that "most bar pour spouts are metered". Or, if the
spouts do have a metering feature, the bartender is paying
attention to it.

IMO most local bartenders pour to some visual level, they neither
count nor measure.

Steve

Corey Richardson wrote:
> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
> or 25ml respectively.
>
> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?

We had this topic about 4 months ago. You need to go back in
Google to find topics more than a year old to continue your sad
trolling for people to talk to.

Have you tried tying a pork chop around your neck so the family
dog will play with you?

-sw

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Dimitri > wrote:
>
>>"Donald Martinich" > wrote in message
>
>>> In my part of the world (N. Calif.), most bartenders don't pre-measure
>>> with shot glasses but "count" instead. They count silently to
>>> themselves as the pour through that standard sort of spout that bars
>>> have on all their bottles. Some drink might be a "two count" or a "three
>>> count" depending on the recipe. As you might expect, there is some
>>> variability here. Reputations for generosity or stinginess are easily
>>> established here in my smallish college town.
>
>>Not necessarily.
>>
>>Today most of the bar pour spouts are metered.
>
>>http://www.foodservicedirect.com/ind...sured_Pour.htm
>
> While this is an interesting link, it hardly establishes any
> claim that "most bar pour spouts are metered". Or, if the
> spouts do have a metering feature, the bartender is paying
> attention to it.
>
> IMO most local bartenders pour to some visual level, they neither
> count nor measure.
>
> Steve

Depends on the location and who owns it. In many venues the profit on food
is incidental to the bar. The control of the pour is extremely important as
it is the (in California) the liquor board that uses liquor purchases as a
gauge against taxes paid and/or knocking down on the register to hide profit
and not pay taxes.

You're correct however in the fact the a good bartender knows his ice filled
old fashioned glass and how full it will be with whatever amount they pour.
If they consistently over pour out the door they go.


Dimitri

Dimitri > wrote:

>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message

>> While this is an interesting link, it hardly establishes any
>> claim that "most bar pour spouts are metered". Or, if the
>> spouts do have a metering feature, the bartender is paying
>> attention to it.

>> IMO most local bartenders pour to some visual level, they neither
>> count nor measure.

> Depends on the location and who owns it. In many venues
> the profit on food is incidental to the bar. The control of
> the pour is extremely important as it is the (in California)
> the liquor board that uses liquor purchases as a gauge against
> taxes paid and/or knocking down on the register to hide profit
> and not pay taxes.

> You're correct however in the fact the a good bartender knows
> his ice filled old fashioned glass and how full it will be with
> whatever amount they pour. If they consistently over pour out
> the door they go.

Right. Certainly the scam is to buy some fraction of the
liquor from Costco rather than from beverage distributors
and hide this fact.

Tax authorities are pretty adept at asessing whether a business
is underreporting revenues by purchasing some of its stock
outside of normal distribution chains. For example, water
usage in toilet facilities in bars is a good correlate with
booze sales, and can be use to challenge lowball tax returns.

Steve

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:35:37 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>Corey Richardson wrote:
>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
>> or 25ml respectively.
>>
>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>
>We had this topic about 4 months ago. You need to go back in
>Google to find topics more than a year old to continue your sad
>trolling for people to talk to.
>
>Have you tried tying a pork chop around your neck so the family
>dog will play with you?
>
>-sw

*PLONK*

Adam Funk wrote:

>On 2008-08-12, S Viemeister wrote:
>
>> Corey Richardson wrote:
>>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
>>> or 25ml respectively.
>>>
>>>
>> Ummm....
>> Surely you meant to say 'in Scotland and in England'?
>
>And Wales.

And Norn Iron (Northern Ireland)...

--
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Steve Pope wrote:

>
> Tax authorities are pretty adept at asessing whether a business
> is underreporting revenues by purchasing some of its stock
> outside of normal distribution chains. For example, water
> usage in toilet facilities in bars is a good correlate with
> booze sales, and can be use to challenge lowball tax returns.
>

Okay..... how do they know how much of the water used is being used for
toilets and urinals. There are too m any variables, like the water used
per flush, whether it is a urinal or a toilet, automatic or manual,
cycle rate. Women pee in toilets and men generally use urinals, the
latter using much less water per flush. If the place has a kitchen it
will be using more water for cleaning and rinsing.

Sqwertz wrote:
> Corey Richardson wrote:
>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is
>> 35ml or 25ml respectively.
>>
>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>
> We had this topic about 4 months ago. You need to go back in
> Google to find topics more than a year old to continue your sad
> trolling for people to talk to.
>
> Have you tried tying a pork chop around your neck so the family
> dog will play with you?

<g>

Dave Smith > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Tax authorities are pretty adept at asessing whether a business
>> is underreporting revenues by purchasing some of its stock
>> outside of normal distribution chains. For example, water
>> usage in toilet facilities in bars is a good correlate with
>> booze sales, and can be use to challenge lowball tax returns.

>Okay..... how do they know how much of the water used is being used for
>toilets and urinals. There are too m any variables, like the water used
>per flush, whether it is a urinal or a toilet, automatic or manual,
>cycle rate. Women pee in toilets and men generally use urinals, the
>latter using much less water per flush. If the place has a kitchen it
>will be using more water for cleaning and rinsing.

I think you have a second career ahead of you defending
cases in tax court.

Steve

On 2008-08-13, Phil Cook wrote:

> Adam Funk wrote:
>
>>On 2008-08-12, S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>>> Corey Richardson wrote:
>>>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
>>>> or 25ml respectively.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ummm....
>>> Surely you meant to say 'in Scotland and in England'?
>>
>>And Wales.
>
> And Norn Iron (Northern Ireland)...

And Cornwall.

Well, not legally, but I read somewhere that people sending mail from
abroad often used to end the address with "Cornwall via England" to
avoid offence.


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Corey Richardson wrote:

> *PLONK*

Plonked by a a troll? Damn - I'm good.

-sw

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:30:08 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

> Dimitri > wrote:
>
>>"Donald Martinich" > wrote in message
>
>>> In my part of the world (N. Calif.), most bartenders don't pre-measure
>>> with shot glasses but "count" instead. They count silently to
>>> themselves as the pour through that standard sort of spout that bars
>>> have on all their bottles. Some drink might be a "two count" or a "three
>>> count" depending on the recipe. As you might expect, there is some
>>> variability here. Reputations for generosity or stinginess are easily
>>> established here in my smallish college town.
>
>>Not necessarily.
>>
>>Today most of the bar pour spouts are metered.
>
>>http://www.foodservicedirect.com/ind...sured_Pour.htm
>
> While this is an interesting link, it hardly establishes any
> claim that "most bar pour spouts are metered". Or, if the
> spouts do have a metering feature, the bartender is paying
> attention to it.
>
> IMO most local bartenders pour to some visual level, they neither
> count nor measure.
>
> Steve

i don't think many of them explicitly count. after a point, they can just
pour a 'jigger' without thinking about it. you get pretty good at doing
something after the thousandth time or two.

some years ago when i was friendly with one bartender in particular, he
claimed to be able to do this, and i told him he was full of shit. he did
a blind pour, and it measured out perfectly. (he did have a heavier hand
for his friends and some creative ideas on what your tab might be.)

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:10:09 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> Steve Pope wrote:
>
>>
>> Tax authorities are pretty adept at asessing whether a business
>> is underreporting revenues by purchasing some of its stock
>> outside of normal distribution chains. For example, water
>> usage in toilet facilities in bars is a good correlate with
>> booze sales, and can be use to challenge lowball tax returns.
>>
>
> Okay..... how do they know how much of the water used is being used for
> toilets and urinals. There are too m any variables, like the water used
> per flush, whether it is a urinal or a toilet, automatic or manual,
> cycle rate. Women pee in toilets and men generally use urinals, the
> latter using much less water per flush. If the place has a kitchen it
> will be using more water for cleaning and rinsing.

don't forget to factor in people ****ing in the bathroom.

your pal,
blake

Corey Richardson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:35:37 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> Corey Richardson wrote:
>>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
>>> or 25ml respectively.
>>>
>>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>> We had this topic about 4 months ago. You need to go back in
>> Google to find topics more than a year old to continue your sad
>> trolling for people to talk to.
>>
>> Have you tried tying a pork chop around your neck so the family
>> dog will play with you?
>>
>> -sw
>
> *PLONK*

Poor Steve, first Jerry, and now Corey. I hope you make it to the liquor
store before they close tonight.

Scott wrote:

> Corey Richardson wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:35:37 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Corey Richardson wrote:
> >>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
> >>> or 25ml respectively.
> >>>
> >>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
> >> We had this topic about 4 months ago. You need to go back in
> >> Google to find topics more than a year old to continue your sad
> >> trolling for people to talk to.
> >>
> >> Have you tried tying a pork chop around your neck so the family
> >> dog will play with you?
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > *PLONK*
>
> Poor Steve, first Jerry, and now Corey. I hope you make it to the liquor
> store before they close tonight.


Ya know, I am wondering if this Corey is simply another of Steve's
"avatars"...


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On Aug 14, 5:42 pm, Thomas Mertz > wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:10:09 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > > Steve Pope wrote:
>
> > >> Tax authorities are pretty adept at asessing whether a business
> > >> is underreporting revenues by purchasing some of its stock
> > >> outside of normal distribution chains. For example, water
> > >> usage in toilet facilities in bars is a good correlate with
> > >> booze sales, and can be use to challenge lowball tax returns.
>
> > > Okay..... how do they know how much of the water used is being used for
> > > toilets and urinals. There are too m any variables, like the water used
> > > per flush, whether it is a urinal or a toilet, automatic or manual,
> > > cycle rate. Women pee in toilets and men generally use urinals, the
> > > latter using much less water per flush. If the place has a kitchen it
> > > will be using more water for cleaning and rinsing.
>
> > don't forget to factor in people ****ing in the bathroom.
>
> How much water does that take?

Lots42 if they run the faucets to cover some of the noise.

Or so I'm told.


Dr. HotSalt

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:42:44 -0600 (MDT), Thomas Mertz wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:10:09 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Pope wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tax authorities are pretty adept at asessing whether a business
>>>> is underreporting revenues by purchasing some of its stock
>>>> outside of normal distribution chains. For example, water
>>>> usage in toilet facilities in bars is a good correlate with
>>>> booze sales, and can be use to challenge lowball tax returns.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Okay..... how do they know how much of the water used is being used for
>>> toilets and urinals. There are too m any variables, like the water used
>>> per flush, whether it is a urinal or a toilet, automatic or manual,
>>> cycle rate. Women pee in toilets and men generally use urinals, the
>>> latter using much less water per flush. If the place has a kitchen it
>>> will be using more water for cleaning and rinsing.
>>
>> don't forget to factor in people ****ing in the bathroom.
>
> How much water does that take?

depends on what you like to do.

your pal,
blake

"Corey Richardson" > wrote in message
...
> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the pub is 35ml
> or 25ml respectively.
>
> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>

Perhaps this will help:


http://www.onlineconversion.com/volume.htm

Kswck wrote on Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:59:29 -0400:


> "Corey Richardson" > wrote in
> message ...
>> In Scotland and the UK, a single measure of spirits at the
>> pub is 35ml or 25ml respectively.
>>
>> What's a single measure of spirits in the USA and Canada?
>>
> Perhaps this will help:

Thanks very much for the interesting and comprehensive link. I'm going
to have to investigate whether "jiggers" etc. are legally defined as are
pints and gallons.

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