http://www.recfoodcooking.com
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g81gn9$plo$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com



Damn it!! Missed another cap by this <--> much :-/



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com

Who's the shit for brains that came up with this charmer.

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com

We scrape up money for the cats, but we feed the rats our leftovers as long
as there's no meat in it. Believe it or not, pet rats will NOT eat meat.
They'll eat peas, corn, cereal, crackers, cheese and chips.

kili

"kilikini" > wrote in
:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> We scrape up money for the cats, but we feed the rats our leftovers as
> long as there's no meat in it. Believe it or not, pet rats will NOT
> eat meat. They'll eat peas, corn, cereal, crackers, cheese and chips.
>
> kili
>
>
>


I s'pose if it *really* gets tough, you can feed the rats to the cats. Then
eat the cats.




;-P



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

PeterLucas wrote:
> ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g81gn9$plo$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
>
>
> Damn it!! Missed another cap by this <--> much :-/
>

Don't feel bad. I went to the site recently, saw a new poll, answered it
and the results showed only one response. That would have been mine, so
I should have got a tin foil hat, but that honour was never posted :-(


:-)

PeterLucas wrote:
> "kilikini" > wrote in
> :
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> We scrape up money for the cats, but we feed the rats our leftovers
>> as long as there's no meat in it. Believe it or not, pet rats will
>> NOT eat meat. They'll eat peas, corn, cereal, crackers, cheese and
>> chips.
>>
>> kili
>>
>
> I s'pose if it *really* gets tough, you can feed the rats to the
> cats. Then eat the cats.
>
> ;-P

Dang it man, you can be heartless! LOL.

kili

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:52:40 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com

I'll pass on the hat. I voted to find a new home. We currently don't
have pets and don't plan on any in the near future. But if money was
even a remote problem I'd never think even about a pet. I've heard
many stories about people with money problems having a hard time
buying pet food. I feel no pity for them. I feel for the animals
though.

Lou

Sheldon wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Who's the shit for brains that came up with this charmer.

You called, sir?

Would there exist a small possibility that there are posters around here
that are afraid to admit they would revert to playing their assigned
part in the food chain when times get tough?

2D Jack

--
Cats have nine lives, which is why they rarely post to Usenet.

Dave Smith wrote:

> PeterLucas wrote:
>> ChattyCathy > wrote in news:g81gn9$plo$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Damn it!! Missed another cap by this <--> much :-/
>>
>
> Don't feel bad. I went to the site recently, saw a new poll, answered
> it and the results showed only one response. That would have been
> mine, so
> I should have got a tin foil hat, but that honour was never posted
> :-(
>
>
> :-)

Which survey was that Dave, do you remember? I can't award a TFH unless
somebody 'owns up' to being the first voter for a particular survey
here on r.f.c. - and I don't remember you doing that. If I missed your
post, I apologize - and I can still award you a TFH for the survey in
question if you'd like ;-)
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy - still skimming through over 400 posts...

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:52:40 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com

Petfood is not THAT expensive compared to people food - I don't think
you'd actually save any money at all by feeding the little darlings
human food unless they're accustomed to eating the fancy super-premium
stuff. Our three cats do just fine on FancyFeast (55c a day) and
mid-range kibble ($5 every two weeks). If it came down to us or them
eating at all, I'd just have to find them a new home...

kilikini wrote:

> PeterLucas wrote:
>> "kilikini" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>> We scrape up money for the cats, but we feed the rats our leftovers
>>> as long as there's no meat in it. Believe it or not, pet rats will
>>> NOT eat meat. They'll eat peas, corn, cereal, crackers, cheese and
>>> chips.
>>>
>>> kili
>>>
>>
>> I s'pose if it *really* gets tough, you can feed the rats to the
>> cats. Then eat the cats.
>>
>> ;-P
>
> Dang it man, you can be heartless! LOL.
>
> kili

<grin>

At the moment we have two (outside) cats. I *think* they might be able
to feed themselves - as they have shown me (over and over) when they
get 'fussy' about the pet food/leftovers we feed them - that they can
catch and eat birds, mice, rats (sorry kili) etc. But... if it got to
the point where we couldn't afford to buy them pet food, I'd find other
separate homes for them (because they sure don't like each other as it
is <lol>) and that is no life for a 'domesticated animal' in my book.

Taking older pets to a pet shelter, again IMHO, is often just handing
them a death sentence, because most of the shelters around here keep
them for a week or two and if nobody takes them in they get put down...
i.e. kittens find homes much faster than 'older' cats.

As for dogs (yet again IMHO) - unless they're 'pavement specials' to
begin with - stand much less chance of feeding themselves than cats. So
I'd go for 'find new homes' for them too.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com

MCINL

If I could afford food for myself, I could afford
pet food. I'd have to switch to a cheaper brand and
feed them a little less (most cats and dogs get overfed
these days anyway) and I'd supplement it with any
leftovers I had. (But if I could barely afford to
feed myself and my pets I probably wouldn't have any
leftovers!)

Anyway, cat food is relatively cheap - even the premium
stuff - so if I were that poor I might be eating it along
with them.

I don't really believe in feeding pet human food except
as the occasional treat. As a regular diet it's not good
for them - especially cats. They need a food formulated
for their nutritional needs which are not the same as
humans. However, rather than give up my pets I would
supplement it with human food to the extent that it would
not do them harm. If I couldn't do that I would try to
find good homes for them. If they were really old and
it didn't seem possible to find a decent home for them
I would have them put down rather than give them to someone
who wouldn't care for them properly or maybe not at all.

I would not turn them over to a animal shelter. Although
there are good ones. I might consider turning them over to
a good no-kill shelter. But if they're older they are probably
going to be put down at the other type of shelter and they
way they do it is not good. I would rather do it myself and
make sure they have a calm and peaceful, unstressful death.
(The last time I had a cat who was too sick to recover I had
the vet come to the house and put her to sleep rather than
stress her out toting her to the clinic where the noises and
smells and strange surroundings would stress her out. I know
how that is because over the years I've had to have a number
of cats put to sleep and unless they're totally out of it from
the illness, they are very stressed out at the vet's office.
I'm glad I have a veterinary group now which makes house calls
in extreme circumstances.)

Anyway, I would never "let them fend for themselves". That
is cruel. I assume feed them smaller pets was a joke. ;-)
At least I really hope so. (BTW, did you mean feed hamsters,
gerbils, rabbits, etc. to cats/dogs or could you have meant
feed small dogs and cats to large dogs and cats? Horrors!)

Change my eating habits? Hmmm? Well, the most
sensible thing for a cat owner would be to change to
the Atkins diet as cats are obligate carnivores. But
meat is one of the most expensive foods to that really
wouldn't work very well. I guess if you had a rabbit
you could go on a vegetarian/vegan diet. Blecch! No
way I'd do that, much as I love my pets. But then it's
not an issue as I have 2 cats so it would have to be the
Atkins thing which would be too expensive. I guess I'd
end up eating cat food. I remember that when I was a
kid I really loved those Gaines dog biscuits!

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> ChattyCathy > news:g81gn9$plo$1
> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Well, I'm not rich but I'll always be able to afford food for the dog,
> cats
> and horse. I will also be able to afford the vet bills.
>
> Michael
>
>
Note, the question was "*If* you could no longer afford to buy pet
food..."

I sincerely hope that I never end up in that situation, but you never
know.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

Kate Connally wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> MCINL

Why am I not surprised?


--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy > news:g81gn9$plo$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Well, I'm not rich but I'll always be able to afford food for the
>> dog, cats
>> and horse. I will also be able to afford the vet bills.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
> Note, the question was "*If* you could no longer afford to buy pet
> food..."
>
> I sincerely hope that I never end up in that situation, but you never
> know.

We're just 'bout there, Cathy. My husband has worked about 8 weeks this
YEAR so far and he's officially unemployed. I'm getting a little worried,
but he has my full support.

kili

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Lou Decruss >
> news:n8j8a4pim3gg21v9god6755ge7lg3p87d4@ 4ax.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:52:40 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> I'll pass on the hat. I voted to find a new home. We currently
>> don't have pets and don't plan on any in the near future. But if
>> money was even a remote problem I'd never think even about a pet.
>> I've heard many stories about people with money problems having a
>> hard time buying pet food. I feel no pity for them. I feel for the
>> animals though.
>
> I agree Lou. If you can't make the commitment... don't adopt or buy a
> pet. Too many animals are abandoned or dumped in shelters because
> people either can't afford the animals or no longer want them.
>
> I almost adopted a dog a couple of weeks ago named Zoe. She is a
> Benji type animal. The owners gave her back to the rescue group
> after having her for a year. Poor dog was absolutely lost sitting in
> her crate. These people were moving and decided taking the dog would
> be too much trouble. ****wits...
>
> Michael

Yep, I agree with you Michael, that's not right. I won't abandon my animals
no matter how poor we get. We'll figure it out. Gosh, back on Maui, I'd
watch people load their shopping carts and I was cringing over a $.33 cent
can of cat food and that was *all* I was checking out. It's like you're
going to give up your kid because you're having income problems? I look at
my little creatchtures (as my husband would say) as my kids. I love them.
I will always find a way to feed them. That's just now it is. They're my
family.

kili

"kilikini" > wrote

> I look at my little creatchtures (as my husband would say) as my kids. I
> love them. I will always find a way to feed them. That's just now it is.
> They're my family.
>

Same here. It is when people feel animals are pretty much disposable that
they do otherwise.

ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> Don't feel bad. I went to the site recently, saw a new poll, answered
>> it and the results showed only one response. That would have been
>> mine, so
>> I should have got a tin foil hat, but that honour was never posted
>> :-(
>>
>>
>> :-)
>
> Which survey was that Dave, do you remember? I can't award a TFH unless
> somebody 'owns up' to being the first voter for a particular survey
> here on r.f.c. - and I don't remember you doing that. If I missed your
> post, I apologize - and I can still award you a TFH for the survey in
> question if you'd like ;-)

I don't remember which one it was. It is the one that was about a week
ago, maybe two weeks, the one that doesn't show up on the list. I just
happened to go to the web site, saw the poll and answered and there was
only one response so far. It wasn't on very long.

Not to worry, unless there is acash prize I lost out on :-)

Dave Smith wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> Don't feel bad. I went to the site recently, saw a new poll,
>>> answered it and the results showed only one response. That would
>>> have been mine, so
>>> I should have got a tin foil hat, but that honour was never posted
>>> :-(
>>>
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Which survey was that Dave, do you remember? I can't award a TFH
>> unless somebody 'owns up' to being the first voter for a particular
>> survey here on r.f.c. - and I don't remember you doing that. If I
>> missed your post, I apologize - and I can still award you a TFH for
>> the survey in question if you'd like ;-)
>
> I don't remember which one it was. It is the one that was about a week
> ago, maybe two weeks, the one that doesn't show up on the list. I
> just happened to go to the web site, saw the poll and answered and
> there was only one response so far. It wasn't on very long.
>
> Not to worry, unless there is acash prize I lost out on :-)

Alas, any cash I have is 'tied up' in pet food ;-)

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:

>
>
> I agree Lou. If you can't make the commitment... don't adopt or buy a
> pet. Too many animals are abandoned or dumped in shelters because people
> either can't afford the animals or no longer want them.
>
> I almost adopted a dog a couple of weeks ago named Zoe. She is a Benji
> type animal. The owners gave her back to the rescue group after having
> her for a year. Poor dog was absolutely lost sitting in her crate.
> These people were moving and decided taking the dog would be too much
> trouble. ****wits...

The last dog I adopted from the pound was a loser. He was an incredible
looking dog and we fell in love with him at first sight, half Bouvier and
half German Shepherd. the pound said he was an Irish Wolfhound cross, but I
saw one just like him, same size, shape, fur, temperament and age, and they
had seen the parents. This guy had issues and he was clueless. I almost
took him back because he was absolutely uncontrollable. It was months before
he would walk properly on a leash and at least six months before I dared to
let him off the leash to run and burn off some energy. When we adopted a
Groenendahl through a friend the new dog taught him how to behave and he
settled down a bit and after 7 years he became enjoyable, though I still
couldn't take him in the car. He was a big guy and would bark and jump
around in the car.

Last summer our neighbours moved to a smaller house and tried to get me to
take one of their pit bulls. they had two of them and a young child. The
wife didn't trust him, though I thought he was the more mellow of the two
and thought it was the other one they should get rid of. I already had two
dogs and didn't want the hassle of a pit bull,. which BTW are now illegal
here. You cannot breed, import or buy one. They ended up taking him to the
pound and he was "destroyed".

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:52:40 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com

I'm pretty sure that Shadow (brown/gray tabby, biiiig cat) would be
able to fend for himself pretty well. I've found pieces of bird,
squirrel, mole, and baby rabbit (argh!) in the yard and under the
house from time to time... eventually he'd probably start helping to
feed us. He *really likes* to hunt.

But as others have pointed out, if I got so poor that I couldn't
afford el-cheapo-brand cat food, I'd probably be eating it myself.

Best -- Terry
....wondering why we don't have 'Purina People Chow' yet...

Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:52:40 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> I'll pass on the hat. I voted to find a new home. We currently don't
> have pets and don't plan on any in the near future. But if money was
> even a remote problem I'd never think even about a pet. I've heard
> many stories about people with money problems having a hard time
> buying pet food. I feel no pity for them. I feel for the animals
> though.



Many of the "hard luck" economic stories in the media feature families with
*multiple* pets. In April ABC had a story about people in Wisconsin getting
their electricity shut off for non - payment, several of these families had
multiple pets. One guy said, "I didn't know we had to pay for power in the
winter..." [!!!]. Not only should these people not have had pets, but they
should NOT be allowed to have kids...

Recently on WBEZ (local Chicawgo NPR station) there was a story about some
family, the mother had a job offer but couldn't "afford" gas - and if she
took the job they'd have to give up food stamps. Of course this family had
FIVE yappy chihuahuas...

Pets are a commitment and that includes financial - wise, many don't seem to
understand that. If it was between having pets and paying the light bill or
getting a job I sure know what I'd do...

The cost of vet care *alone* is scary. I've got friends with two Dobermans,
one is diabetic and so needs insulin injections, the other has kidney
problems and needs some sorta daily drip thing; another friend took her cat
to the vet and wound up having to pay a thousand bux for dental work. These
people do okay but even for them the vet bills somewhat crimp their
"style"...both are homeowners and there is always maintenance 'n repair
stuff they need to spend money on.


--
Best
Greg

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
> I had 2 diabetic Scotties and I know what your friend is going through. My
> current dog, Missy, is 19 years old. Her prescriptions run $102 per month.
> It's about $60 more a month than the copays for my own medications. The
> veterinary bills for the horse are astronomical. Then there are the cats.
> There is heartworm and flea medications for the 4 cats and dog. It's
> expensive to have multiple pets. Oh... I forgot the cat litter which ain't
> so cheap anymore. Then of course, there is the food for them all. We are
> lucky. There is enough money to go around for us and believe me, we thank
> our lucky stars every day for it. We are grateful.
>
My brother used to dog sit a friend's poodle for months at a time when
the friend (Bob) and his wife went to Costa Rica for the winter. The dog
developed a medical problem that could be treated with medication that
would cost about $80 per month. Rather than pay $80 per month to keep
their pet in good health, they had it put down.

That might be understandable if they were poor, but Bob was earning over
$200,000 per year. He was a **** tank and spent more than that each
weekend on booze, along with a lot of cocaine and pot. Being drunk and
stoned most of the time, Bob's conscience went down the tubes. He was
one of the most intolerant people I ever knew and never had any sympathy
for anyone in an unfortunate position. The day my mother died he showed
up at my brothers and was so rude and obnoxious that my brother kicked
him out and told him never to come back.

Last year on vacation Bob overdid the drinking and drugs while at his
vacation home, fell on the tile floor and cracked his head open. He was
just recovering from that when he suddenly started losing weigh. It
turned out that he had cancer of the esophagus, a tumor so big that
nothing could pass into his stomach. He died a within a month.

Normally, I would feel sorry for the guy. But when I think about having
his pet put down rather than pay for medication which was quite
affordable for him, I have a heard time feeling sorry for him. Last
week I was at my brother's when his widow showed up. I suppose I should
have said something in the way of consolation, but I just couldn't think
of anything nice to say about him. Since she was so busy talking about
the pool she is ordering and the big trip she is going on, I didn't see
the point.

"kilikini" > wrote in news:g81hs0$rl2$1
@news.datemas.de:

> PeterLucas wrote:
>> "kilikini" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>> We scrape up money for the cats, but we feed the rats our leftovers
>>> as long as there's no meat in it. Believe it or not, pet rats will
>>> NOT eat meat. They'll eat peas, corn, cereal, crackers, cheese and
>>> chips.
>>>
>>> kili
>>>
>>
>> I s'pose if it *really* gets tough, you can feed the rats to the
>> cats. Then eat the cats.
>>
>> ;-P
>
> Dang it man, you can be heartless! LOL.
>


No Kili, just practical :-)

When my pooch is playing up I'll give her a serious look and say the
words "$35 a kilo at the Korean restaurant in town. Keep doing what
you're doing, bitch, that's where you'll end up."

That always seems to calm her down :-)


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy
>
> Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

Really stupid survey.

ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy
>
> Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

We'd cut back on our own rations before not feeding our 1.5 kitties.
They eat less in a week than we eat per day anyway.

On Aug 14, 10:52 am, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com

That's a tough one! My BIL had a cat that fed herself on the local
mouse population for 22 years. Mine knows how to catch critters, and
as long as she was managing to feed herself, I'd keep her around. If
she started losing weight, I'd look for another home for her. I had
to put down one cat, and wouldn't want to have to go through that
again. Especially since if I couldn't afford to feed her, how would I
pay the vet???

maxine in ri

"Kajikit" > wrote in message
>>Obviously Bob and his wife could afford the medication. Why they wouldn't
>>do it is anyone's guess. People think animals are toys to play with and
>>then discard when they get tired of them.
>>
>>Michael
>
> Sounds like the world would have been a better place if the wife had
> kept the poodle and put HIM down! People like that make me sick to my
> stomach...

People who condemn others when they don't know the whole story or
circumstances make me sick to my stomach.

"Sheldon" wrote

> Who's the shit for brains that came up with this charmer.

Hehe I'd use other words but this one did come out of the blue didnt it?

No answers really 'fit' as this one isnt a sort of one answer sort of thing.
I regularily augment my beloved 4foots with home cooked meals (just like you
do). A bit ago, I got caught low on wet food (not due to lack of money,
just hadnt noticed was low) so they got my pork loin and I ate some canned
soup ;-)

I'm still re-training my cat to take to wet food as it's better for her and
she's doing well, but it's important to keep to a regular schedule of wet
for that to happen. She gets wet or fresh cooked meats every morning and
night, and Cash (dog) gets dry in morning and a mix of dry/wet at night.
They often get a lunch treat of dashi with fish added or chicken broth with
a little chicken added.

(Dashi for those who are not familiar with it is a fish stock and my vet
highly approves of it for getting added water into the cat to prevent
problems).

I'm still experimenting on what they like best. Cash-pup will eat
*anything* (beagle mix) but likes best to have pulled pork before the sauce
is added. Daisy-the-cat loves (you guessed it) seafood and a dibble of
roasted sesame oil. She's also particular that the olive oil (good for her
coat) be a first pressed one vice my normal Bertoli which I use in cooking.
She doesnt mind bertoli, but she's kinda like 'oh, that stuff again' vice
'oh! She used the good stuff! Gimmie more!!!!!!'

Daisy likes red wine vinegar in small amounts in her water (wards off fleas,
just a few drops) and will not touch basalmic vinegar. Cash is so-so about
the basalmic and wont touch the red wine vinegar but is quite partial to
sushi types and sukim Maasim (a spiced sort).

Daisy and Cash are both rescue animals and we are having a ball with them.
He was badly underweight when we got him (35 lbs vice his right weight of
55, mix is beagle and presumed bull mastiff which in his case is a large
beagle look). Daisy was overweight for her frame at almost 12 lbs but she's
trimming down nicely and is at 10 now, perfect for her is probably 9 or 8.5.

Yeah, I'd go hungry before I let them starve. They already get our food, so
if was out of that I'd eat theirs if it was cheaper. Last resort, I'd find
them a good home.

"Lou Decruss" wrote

> I'll pass on the hat. I voted to find a new home. We currently don't
> have pets and don't plan on any in the near future. But if money was
> even a remote problem I'd never think even about a pet. I've heard
> many stories about people with money problems having a hard time
> buying pet food. I feel no pity for them. I feel for the animals
> though.

I agree Lou. Some folks have no sense. I have never adopted a pet without
first being sure I could handle the vet and feeding bills. I took on 2
lovely 4foots as soon as we got stateside again and I am very happy with
them, but i expected and worked out the finances first. Especially with
Cash-pup as he had heartworms and heart damage (known in advance, he's a
1,000$ annual insurance for medical sort).

Daisy-cat? She's medically healthy but has behavioral issues and we were
the only ones to apply for her in 18 months of showing. Will not accept
another cat easily (one cat in house sort) nor kids (Charlotte is an
exception and she's 14) and cant be picked up but loves to lounge around
near you and get a belly rub. Uses the dog as a step stool to get on the
sofa (grin). She and he get along great even if she's almost half feral
acting at times.

"kilikini" wrote


> no matter how poor we get. We'll figure it out. Gosh, back on Maui, I'd
> watch people load their shopping carts and I was cringing over a $.33 cent
> can of cat food and that was *all* I was checking out. It's like you're
> going to give up your kid because you're having income problems? I look
> at my little creatchtures (as my husband would say) as my kids. I love
> them. I will always find a way to feed them. That's just now it is.
> They're my family.

Yes, and your situation is a simple to figure out 'change in job market'
which can happen to any one.

Don wants to get another rescue dog but he wants a bigger one and i am
resisting as I look at the food and vet bills. Not financially stressed now
and do not want to be in the future.

kilikini wrote:

> Yep, I agree with you Michael, that's not right. I won't abandon my animals
> no matter how poor we get. We'll figure it out. Gosh, back on Maui, I'd
> watch people load their shopping carts and I was cringing over a $.33 cent
> can of cat food and that was *all* I was checking out. It's like you're
> going to give up your kid because you're having income problems? I look at
> my little creatchtures (as my husband would say) as my kids. I love them.
> I will always find a way to feed them. That's just now it is. They're my
> family.
>
> kili

My pets are like children to me. When I hear that people have to give
up their pets, they must be devastated at the loss.

IMO, having a pet is like having a child. You are responsible for their
food and medical care. My cat, Louie, would not be able to fend for
himself, he couldn't catch a cold in the Klondike.

Becca

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Kajikit" > wrote in message
>>> Obviously Bob and his wife could afford the medication. Why they wouldn't
>>> do it is anyone's guess. People think animals are toys to play with and
>>> then discard when they get tired of them.
>>>
>>> Michael
>> Sounds like the world would have been a better place if the wife had
>> kept the poodle and put HIM down! People like that make me sick to my
>> stomach...
>
> People who condemn others when they don't know the whole story or
> circumstances make me sick to my stomach.


That was the whole story. The dog had a condition that could be easily
treated with medication for $80 a month. He could easily afford the
medication. It was a fraction of his weekly booze expenditure. The man
had no compassion, no sympathy for anyone else's problems.

Janet Baraclough wrote:

> I've had cats and kids and can assure you, those cats would be
> casserole before my kids went hungry. When we were poor, only working 8
> weeks a year was never an option. There are *always* some horrible lousy
> jobs that nobody else wants to do, and we've done most of them. Mortuary
> assistant; garbage collector, and every unsocial-hours skivvying and
> bottom-wiping job known to man.
>
> Janet.

You found a way to work and pay your bills, good for you. If you are
professional at whatever you do, it does not matter what job you are
doing.

At a dinner meeting during a convention, the board was sitting on the
dais, and we could see 200 people in the ballroom, being served dinner.
There was one waiter standing tall and proud with a towel draped over
his arm, and he would quickly refill someone's glass or take someone's
plate away. It was a joy to watch him work and you could tell he was
proud of the job he was doing. We do not have enough people like him.

Becca

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:41:43 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>Kate Connally wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> MCINL
>
>Why am I not surprised?

LOLOL. It is amazing with all the crap she typed that one of the
options didn't fit the "best." What a weirdo.

Lou

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:32:36 -0400, Kate Connally >
wrote:

> I remember that when I was a
>kid I really loved those Gaines dog biscuits!
>
>Kate

You really are a strange one.

Lou

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:31:19 -0400, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "Kajikit" > wrote in message
>>>Obviously Bob and his wife could afford the medication. Why they wouldn't
>>>do it is anyone's guess. People think animals are toys to play with and
>>>then discard when they get tired of them.
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>> Sounds like the world would have been a better place if the wife had
>> kept the poodle and put HIM down! People like that make me sick to my
>> stomach...
>
> People who condemn others when they don't know the whole story or
> circumstances make me sick to my stomach.

hmm, lotta sickness going around today...

your pal,
blake

"Michael "Dog3"" wrote
> "cshenk"

>> Don wants to get another rescue dog but he wants a bigger one and i am
>> resisting as I look at the food and vet bills. Not financially
>> stressed now and do not want to be in the future.
>
> That's where I'm at right now. With remodeling the house and the animals
> we have, we just can't take on any more responsibility and financial
> obligations right now. I would like to but for once my brain is
> functioning
> and saying no. Maybe when the dog dies (I suspect it will be soon) I'll
> think about it but not right now.

I'm with ya. Close to 25,000$ to repair renters damage (some was just
normal wear and tear and some was stuff that wasnt maintained right, but a
lot was just senseless damage). Thats since Oct07 when we got back. It
would have been far worse except Don and I are pretty handy at repairs.
Estimate if we had contracted it all out, 45,000$ at least. (We contracted
fireplace repair, sunroom rebuild of 2 exterior walls, 2 window
replacements, and a new tub that rusted out so it leaked under it).

We replaced ourselves, 2 screen doors, rescreened the back porch, replaced 7
exterior flood lights (some are motion detectors on a separate circuit), 2
exterior doors, and 2 interior ones (with 2 more interior to go and a
re-frame of one that leads to the sunroom), 1 toilet, 1 sink, 1 sliding
glass patio door, one dishwasher, one washing machine, 2 wood fence portions
(had help from handyman for one gate section), one wood enclosure (heck if I
know what they did with the old one!), one garage door, some 70ft worth of
baseboards, paneled 2 walls, replaced the kitchen dropped ceiling, and are
in progress of rebuilding the brick BBQ then wallpapering the kitchen. We
also had a hell of a mess with the yard (sapling trees seeming everywhere
and 15 large garbage bags of broken rum bottles and beer cans).

Wow. I left alot off the list too <g>. So, no second dog in the plans. We
can well handle the 2 pets but adding more just now isnt wise. The food
cost isnt a concern (about 40$ a month in wet and another 25$ in dry for
Cash-pup) but the vet bills if i didnt have good pet insurance would have
already cost me close to 3,000$.

Yes, grin, we adopted knowingly, 2 rescue pets one with heartworms and still
in the first 2 months of treatment. Cash-pup was known in advance to have
heart damage from them. Daisy-cat has teeth problems which will be fixed 6
Sept when Cash gets neutered.

Cash had to wait for that due to the heart worms but now they are ready and
we agree the danger of him getting over excited by a girl doggie in heat now
exceeds the danger of the procedure. He's slated for the day when the heart
specialist is at our local clinic and he's going to be the one doing it.
The procedure itself won't be covered by insurance (but the plan does reduce
the cost a bit). The plan *will* cover any complications due to his heart
condition including extended hospital stay if things go wrong. I'm scared
but the vet says he should be fine now. He's been turned down 4 times for
this due to health. He's the rare instance of when a pet is adopted from
the local rescue center before being 'fixed' because the vets kept turning
him down (2 times before we got him so they know it's legit and we had the
vet email them the records the 2 times with us he was not ready yet).

Cash came to us at 34.5 lbs and now is 55 (give or take 1 as he fluctuates
normally just like any of us do). Per vet, he is almost perfect weight, if
shy of perfect by 1-2 lbs. We are to keep him at this weight and he's been
stable for 10 weeks at this. His eyes are bright, his coat softly glossy,
and he's now allowed to jog at my human speed for 1/2 mile a day! He's a
little breathless when we do it but he loves it. We walk back gently and he
also enjoys peeing on all the interesting stuff on the route back <g>.

To keep at least minimally on topic, his diet is: 3/4 cup quality dry in
morning and evening, and an added 1/2 can wet in evening. He gets about 7
dog treats a day, and most days at 'lunch time' he and Daisy get home made
broth or dashi, with a little nibble of whatever meat bits we may have that
have been fixed in such a way as to be ok (salt free, no onions etc). He's
not allowed rawhide as he eats it completely, even the biggest strongest
ones, in about 30 mins. He gets real bones (cow leg ones) and I worry about
splinters but the vet says with his build and nature, this is the only thing
that will work for him and dogs have been etating such in the wild since
before domestication. It takes him 2 days to eat (and I mean *eat* as in
nothing left) one calf leg bone with knee and hip joint.

Cash is by everyone's best guess, part beagle and part bull mastiff with
looks to any but a dog specialist of beagle but second glance is 'my gosh
thats a huge muscular beagle!'. Measure of 'points' leads to strong
relation to a short legged bull mastiff. His actions are largely beagle
(scent hound). He has to be walked on a harness vice neck collar as his
neck width is very close to his head width so you either choke him or he can
slip free (grin).

Gosh, I do run on! All pet fanatics do though!

"Janet Baraclough" wrote

> Which could well be medical. There are plenty of highly distressing
> conditions which can't be cured, only slightly relieved by medication.
> The medication makes the owner feel better , but the animal will still
> suffer for the rest of its life.

Thats true. One day sadly, we will have to have Cash-pup put down. We knew
that too. His heart damage means when he gets older, his quality of life
will slip and once he can no longer have 'fun' we will let him peacefully
go. We are told by the heart specialist that he probably has 5 good years
if we keep his weight where it is, have him neutered, and never exceed the
recommended jogging distance plus keep the house cool and not walk him when
temps are over 90F (except the simple, 'gotta pee Mom so can we go out in
the backyard for 3 mins?'). He may make 7 good years. He is possibly with
the most excellent of care, going to see 9.

I plan to enjoy all the years he has and make them the best I can, then when
the time comes, let him go over the rainbow softly.

> People think animals are toys to play with and
>> then discard when they get tired of them.
>
> And some people love their pets so much, they would not put their
> own feelings ahead of the animal's suffering.

True. Its a hard thing to decide. I've had to do it before. I cried alot,
but had the vet do the right thing when the time came.