first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
them.
Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

Roughrider50 wrote:
>
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

Go with gas. One you use gas, you'll never go back to electric again!
Instant heat with gas. No waiting for any electric "element" to heat up
or cool down.

Sky, who's used both and has had a gas range for nearly 20 years
(woohoo!) ;D

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

Roughrider50 wrote:
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

Both have advantages, but my preference is gas. When you have to lower
the heat, the electric does not lower the heat as quickly as gas does.

Becca

On Aug 14, 10:32*am, Becca > wrote:
> Roughrider50 wrote:
> > first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> > like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> > Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> > Whirlpool range with *a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> > electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric(http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> > I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> > to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> > them.
> > Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!
>
> Both have advantages, but my preference is gas. When you have to lower
> the heat, the electric does not lower the heat as quickly as gas does.
>
> Becca

Boy. I would kill to be able to use gas. It's faster, more responsive
and much more flexible - wit electric there's no place between medium
and high. Unfortunately, I use supplemental oxygen almost all the
time and I'd blow myself to kingdom come!

Lynn in Fargo
Cooling more carefully these days!

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:18:26 -0500, Roughrider50 >
wrote:

>first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
>like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
>Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
>Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
>electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
>I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
>to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
>them.
>Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

The best solution I've found is gas hobs and an electric fan assisted
oven.

Roughrider50 wrote:
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

It's gas for me. I would consider range with a gas cooktop and
electric oven. If you ever see chefs cooking in restaurants on TV,
you'll see they prefer gas cooktops, for what that's worth.

nancy

In article >,
Nina > wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:18:26 -0500, Roughrider50
> > wrote:
>
> >first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> >like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> >Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> >Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> >electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> >I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> >to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> >them.
> >Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!
>
> I'm sure you'll get a tons of answers on this but to me, this comes
> down primarily to two things: consistency and ease of adjustment.
> There are lots of other things you can consider, but this is pretty
> much it for me.
>

For me it comes down to money.

Our house is three stories. Gas comes in under the house. Kitchen is
on the top floor. When we moved in husband said he'd love a gas stove.
When the got the bids for increasing the pipe size from the street to
under the house, ripping out the wall all the way up (for the inspectors
to inspect easily) run the pipe up to the kitchen and hook up. Oh, and
permits, the city loves residents to pay large sums of money for
permits. Well....10 years later we still have the electric stove.

Maybe some day.

It sounds nice as the original poster said to take out the electric and
replace it with gas from the Sears sale, but for us it was much more
complicated than just that.

marcella

"Roughrider50" > wrote in message
...
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!
'

Gas, gas, gas! When I moved into a home with a new electric range I got rid
of it within a week.

Felice

On 2008-08-14, Roughrider50 > wrote:

> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.

We can no more recommend a stove type than a favorite color. Only you can
decide.

Having said that, I must relate my disapointment with my recent change from
electric to gas. After using an electric for most of the last 30 yrs, I
finally get back to gas (propane) and am not exactly thrilled to tears
(well, almost but not like you might think). First, it's almost impossible
to get down to a low enough heat. Any attempt to do so has the flame
sputtering back and forth between still-too-hot and off. Never a problem
with electric. Yes, it heats a bit faster. In fact, the btu output is so
prodigious, I no longer find it necessary to shave my arms, all the hair
from my knuckles to my elbo having been graciously removed. Just stiring a
small diameter pot is invitation to a denuding.

I'm learning to live with it (longer spoons!), but it would not bother me
one bit to go back to electric. EV might be a bit slower out of the gate, but
infinitely kinder and gentler in the back stretch.

nb


> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

"Felice" > wrote :

>
> Gas, gas, gas! When I moved into a home with a new electric range I got
> rid of it within a week.
>

I always loved cooking with gas, and always had a gas stove until we bought
this house about ten years ago. As I've mentioned, we have an old smoothtop.
It was hard to get used to, but now I love it. I don't find the process or
the results any different from cooking on a gas stove, and the clean up is
just so much easier.

What I miss the most: when the storms roll in and the electric goes out, I
can't cook on the stove, whereas with gas I could.

"notbob" > wrote in message
> electric to gas. After using an electric for most of the last 30 yrs, I
> finally get back to gas (propane) and am not exactly thrilled to tears
> (well, almost but not like you might think). First, it's almost
> impossible
> to get down to a low enough heat. Any attempt to do so has the flame
> sputtering back and forth between still-too-hot and off. Never a problem
> with electric.

What you need is a different gas range. Mine will get down to 750 Btu, just
the tiniest bit of even flame. All ranges are not created equal, no matter
the fuel.

"Roughrider50" > wrote in message
...
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

If you are going to Sears, it won't make much difference. They don't sell
the top brands and models. A cheap gas or a cheap electric is still not
going to be a big deal.

OTOH, if you want to pay $2500 and up, gas is the way to go. My choice was
a Bertazzoni, but a Bosch duel fuel or anything by Viking, Wolf, or
Thermodore is going to be excellent.

The electric ranges do heat faster when doing the pot of water test. A
typical gas range has burners with 9,000 Btu. The ones I mentions have
burners with 15,000 Btu or more.

Electric ovens are often though of as better and more consistent
temperature. Compared to the average gas, yes, they are. But the high end
gas ranges have precise temperatures and convection. When we bought our new
range back in May, the oven was not a big consideration. A heated box is a
heated box, right? Wrong. We were pleasantly surprised to find the new
convection oven is far superior in cooking the same foods we've done for
years.

This is ours
http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47

I don't know your budget, but if you look at the cost over the next 10 or
20years you will be living witht he range, get the best you can afford. My
choice was to not get the fancy electronics that go bad and are expensive to
repair, but instead a very high quality mechanical system. Performance
rather than gadgets.

Visit your local appliance dealer. With the co-op buying they do these days
they are very price competitive and have superior service.

"Roughrider50" > wrote in message
...
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

Gas, in a heartbeat.

On Aug 14, 2:43*pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Roughrider50" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> > like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> > Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> > Whirlpool range with *a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> > electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric(http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> > I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> > to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> > them.
> > Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!
>
> If you are going to Sears, it won't make much difference. They don't sell
> the top brands and models. *A cheap gas or a cheap electric is still not
> going to be a big deal.
>
> OTOH, if you want to pay $2500 and up, gas is the way to go. *My choice was
> a Bertazzoni, but a Bosch duel fuel or anything by Viking, Wolf, or
> Thermodore is going to be excellent.
>

>
> This is ourshttp://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Product/detail.aspx?CatID=PS&ID=47
>

What width is yours? Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.

Thanks.
Dee Dee

Janet replied to Roughrider50:

> Gas, in a heartbeat.

Gas, without skipping a heartbeat. ;-)

--Lin

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT), Dee Dee
> wrote:


>What width is yours? Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.
>
>Thanks.
>Dee Dee
>

Dee Dee!!!!!

Welcome back!! I have missed your posts here!!!

Christine

"Dee Dee" > wrote in message
>
> This is ours
> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>

What width is yours? Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.

Thanks.
Dee Dee
*****************************

The 30" Four burners, no grill. The entire top has a cast iron grate that
is even all the way across so you don't have to lift a pot if you want to
move it.

The paint is put on in the same factory that paints the Lamborghini. We
have hte black.

"Dee Dee" > wrote

>What width is yours? Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.

Hey! You must have read my mind, I have been wondering
how you were doing.

nancy

Janet wrote:
> "Roughrider50" > wrote in message
> ...
>> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
>> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
>> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
>> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
>> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
>> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
>> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
>> them.
>> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!
>
> Gas, in a heartbeat.
>
>

The interesting thing about gas is that one of the byproducts of a gas
flame is water vapor. My guess is that it makes a difference in baked
goods but I've not done any side by side comparisons nor have I read
anything about this. My perception is that it does and I prefer an
electric oven. For the cooktop, my preference is anything that gets good
and hot. :-)

On Aug 14, 3:42*pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Dee Dee" > wrote in message
>
> > This is ours
> >http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> What width is yours? *Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.
>
> Thanks.
> Dee Dee
> *****************************
>
> The 30" *Four burners, no grill. *The entire top *has a cast iron grate that
> is even all the way across so you don't have to lift a pot if you want to
> move it.
>
> The paint is put on in the same factory that paints the Lamborghini. *We
> have hte black.



Ooops, I read your sentence incorrectly. I read "grid" as "grill."


>bought the range for the more powerful burners, for the full cast
iron
grid to make sliding pots easier, as well as the stylish looks.


DH moves the pans (must to my dismay) across the glass cooktop. I
don't say anything, but do grit my teeth each time. He knows it is not
recommended.

I always ask him (if he is available) to lift and move the pans when I
need to move them from on burner to another burner.
So far, he hasn't caught on -- ;-))


The stove that I have now will have to last me unless and until we
move from here. And if we move, it will because I can no longer get
out of bed to even lift a pan -- hence my dreaming about yours. I
know you are enjoying it so much.
Dee Dee

On Aug 14, 3:57*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Dee Dee" > wrote
>
> >What width is yours? *Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.
>
> Hey! *You must have read my mind, I have been wondering
> how you were doing.
>
> nancy


Hello, Nancy.
I'm just great - have been reading once in a while rfc, not too
often. The postings are so voluminous and it is hard not to answer
when I do subscribe.

I am posting at alt.coffee, read the wine group and sourdough group
sometimes; and sometimes post to the bread group which isn't too
active. Equipment and coffee are generally fun for me and that's what
it's all about.

Hope you are well and happy, my friend.
Dee Dee

notbob wrote:
> On 2008-08-14, Roughrider50 > wrote:
>
> > electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric(http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> > I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> > to 1-1� on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> > them.
>
> We can no more recommend a stove type than a favorite color. �Only you can
> decide.
>
> Having said that, I must relate my disapointment with my recent change from
> electric to gas. �After using an electric for most of the last 30 yrs, I
> finally get back to gas (propane) and am not exactly thrilled to tears
> (well, almost but not like you might think). �First, it's almost impossible
> to get down to a low enough heat. �Any attempt to do so has the flame
> sputtering back and forth between still-too-hot and off. �Never a problem
> with electric. �Yes, it heats a bit faster. �In fact, the btu output is so
> prodigious, I no longer find it necessary to shave my arms, all the hair
> from my knuckles to my elbo having been graciously removed. �Just stiring a
> small diameter pot is invitation to a denuding.
>
> I'm learning to live with it (longer spoons!), but it would not bother me
> one bit to go back to electric. �EV might be a bit slower out of the gate, but
> infinitely kinder and gentler in the back stretch.

It sounds like your gas stove is set for natural gas, or you have the
incorrect regulator... when changing from one gas to the other both
the orifices and the regulator need to be changed, and then the air
shuttles need adjustment... call your propane dealer and have them
send someone who knows what they're doing. There should be detailed
instructions with your stove, in fact there should be a kit attached
somewhere on your stove containing the parts and instructions,
typically in a heavy envlope taped to the rear of the stove, or
somewhere on the chassis. If you go to the manufacturer's web site
you will find instructions... it's not the stove, it's not set up
correctly.

Janet wrote on Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:29:15 -0400:


> "Roughrider50" > wrote in message
> ...
>> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook)
>> but I like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise
>> myself. Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr
>> old Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide
>> between a gas or electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric(
>> http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t) I'm really drawn toward. She loves it.
>> Boils water fast, as
>> compared to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas
>> stoves & really liked them. Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need
>> to decide which. TIA!

> Gas, in a heartbeat.

I wonder how many times this question has been asked without convincing
anyone? There are relative advantages and advantages to both!

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

notbob > wrote:

> First, it's almost impossible
> to get down to a low enough heat. Any attempt to do so has the flame
> sputtering back and forth between still-too-hot and off.

If you cannot get your stove adjusted, just use a flame tamer.

Victor

Nina > wrote:

> Gas stoves are far easier to get good control on. If you adjust the
> heat on an electric stove, you have to wait for it to adjust, lose
> heat, whatever. With a gas stove, it's instant.

It has to be said that the very same thing applies to induction ranges
(which are electric). Here is what I posted befo

I do not have an induction range, but I have cooked on one at friends'.
I can say that if I were in the market for a new range now, an induction
one would be at the top of my list. Given suitable (i.e.
magnetic-based) cookware, "normal" cooking is as comfortable and
efficient as on a gas range. Induction ranges are as responsive and
fast as any gas ones. Their great advantages are the absence of the
potentially dangerous open flame or the heat of the range itself, as
only the cookware gets hot, and also of the dirt coming from burning gas
(as *some* dirt is always produced). They are rather safer to use than
any conventional alternative. Their disadvantages are the necessity of
suitable cookware with flat, smooth bottoms, so such vessels as woks and
cauldrons with concave bottoms used for such dishes as the Uzbek plov
are effectively out. Also, one has no open flame for singing peppers,
for example, or pin feathers of poultry or game, should it become
necessary. You also have to consider a higher initial cost of an
induction range. It is more economical in actual use, though.

See also <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooker>.

Victor

Roughrider50 wrote:
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!



If I had my choice, I'd have gas burners and electric oven(s).

Gas is much more responsive for stovetop cooking, heating up and cooling
down at the touch of the dial. My sealed electric burners are great for
cleaning purposes, but they take a while to heat and a long time to cool.

In my experience an electric oven has more even heat and better
self-cleaning.

gloria p

Roughrider50 wrote:
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

Gas stove; electric oven.

--
Jean B.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:18:26 -0500, Roughrider50
> wrote:

>first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
>like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
>Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
>Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
>electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
>I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
>to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
>them.
>Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

Buy what you want. This is an old topic around here, and there are
avid (rabid?) proponents of each. You say you're not even a good cook,
so buy what you will be most comfortable with.

If you aspired to be an excellent cook, or do the kind of cooking that
demands the precision that a high-end gas stove will give you, then
buy gas. But if you just need to heat stuff up, boil water, make
hamburger helper, and the like, get the Kenmore electric one like your
daughter's that you're drawn toward. The cheapest electric range will
typically boil water faster than the cheapest gas range.

Personally, I have cooked with both, probalby about 20 years with
each, and I just bought a ceramic smoothtop. It works for me. I walk
out in the morning, turn the burner to 4, and make eggs. With gas, I
have to be awake, bend over and see how high the flame is, and it's
never exactly the same. When I crank up the high-power burner to boil
water, it boils in less than 10 minutes. To get a gas stove that would
do that would cost me ten times as much as I paid for the electric
cooktop, because I would have to pay to have gas run the length of the
house to get it into the kitchen first.

Anyway, I'm sure some folks will flame this post, and that's fine.
That's what filters were made for.

Bottom line is, regardless of what advice you get here, buy what you
want, not what somebody says you should buy.

--
EZ Larry from St. Louis

EZ Larry wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:18:26 -0500, Roughrider50
> > wrote:
>
> >first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> >like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> >Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> >Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> >electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> >I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> >to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> >them.
> >Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!
>
> Buy what you want. This is an old topic around here, and there are
> avid (rabid?) proponents of each. You say you're not even a good cook,
> so buy what you will be most comfortable with.
>
> If you aspired to be an excellent cook, or do the kind of cooking that
> demands the precision that a high-end gas stove will give you, then
> buy gas. But if you just need to heat stuff up, boil water, make
> hamburger helper, and the like, get the Kenmore electric one like your
> daughter's that you're drawn toward. The cheapest electric range will
> typically boil water faster than the cheapest gas range.
>
> Personally, I have cooked with both, probalby about 20 years with
> each, and I just bought a ceramic smoothtop. It works for me. I walk
> out in the morning, turn the burner to 4, and make eggs. With gas, I
> have to be awake, bend over and see how high the flame is, and it's
> never exactly the same. When I crank up the high-power burner to boil
> water, it boils in less than 10 minutes. To get a gas stove that would
> do that would cost me ten times as much as I paid for the electric
> cooktop, because I would have to pay to have gas run the length of the
> house to get it into the kitchen first.
>
> Anyway, I'm sure some folks will flame this post, and that's fine.
> That's what filters were made for.
>
> Bottom line is, regardless of what advice you get here, buy what you
> want, not what somebody says you should buy.
>
> --
> EZ Larry from St. Louis

VBG! Good advice -- after all, "cook's choice" is what counts

Sky

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:43:29 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

>http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47

Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.

-- Larry (I think...)

EZ Larry wrote:

> Bottom line is, regardless of what advice you get here, buy what you
> want, not what somebody says you should buy.

Hey, they asked for opinions, they got opinions and reasons
for those opinions.

nancy

On Aug 14, 11:01*pm, pltrgyst > wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:43:29 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> >http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.
>
> -- Larry (I think...)


Damn, I hate to agree, but .... ;-)
Dee Dee

In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> OTOH, if you want to pay $2500 and up, gas is the way to go. My choice was
> a Bertazzoni, but a Bosch duel fuel or anything by Viking, Wolf, or
> Thermodore is going to be excellent.

I'll never buy Viking again and would recommend thinking twice before a
Viking purchase. My $4000 Viking broke down constantly. I can't think
of a single part, other than the racks, that did not have to be
replaced--- some more than once--- in the first two years I owned it.
By far, this is the worst appliance company I've ever had to deal with.
They don't know the meaning of quality control, warranty support or
customer service. I hold my nose when anyone mentions Viking to me.
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

On Aug 15, 12:01*am, Isabella Woodhouse > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
> > OTOH, if you want to pay $2500 and up, gas is the way to go. *My choice was
> > a Bertazzoni, but a Bosch duel fuel or anything by Viking, Wolf, or
> > Thermodore is going to be excellent.
>
> I'll never buy Viking again and would recommend thinking twice before a
> Viking purchase. *My $4000 Viking broke down constantly. *I can't think
> of a single part, other than the racks, that did not have to be
> replaced--- some more than once--- in the first two years I owned it. *
> By far, this is the worst appliance company I've ever had to deal with. *
> They don't know the meaning of quality control, warranty support or
> customer service. *I hold my nose when anyone mentions Viking to me.
> --
> "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" *
> -T.S. Eliot


Ahh, how disappointing, and what a nuisance. Darn, they are good
looking, tho.

I love to see the monster stoves sitting on foodnetwork sets. I wait
to see them used. I wonder if they are there as a part of the
ambience/set deco.


Dee Dee

"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:43:29 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.
>
> -- Larry (I think...)

Well it has two ovens side by side and I've not had two orgasms side by side
since my 20's.
My wife suggested we build a new house to accommodate the 48" in red. One
store had the 36" on display and it was gorgeous.
Ed


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:55:51 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:43:29 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>>
>> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.
>>
>> -- Larry (I think...)
>
>Well it has two ovens side by side and I've not had two orgasms side by side
>since my 20's.
>My wife suggested we build a new house to accommodate the 48" in red. One
>store had the 36" on display and it was gorgeous.

Ed, why'd you decide to buy this gem? $2,500 is a lot of change, so
I'm curious what convinced you to part with the $$ instead of just
spending less than half that for a proletarian range.

"KLS" > wrote in message
>
> Ed, why'd you decide to buy this gem? $2,500 is a lot of change, so
> I'm curious what convinced you to part with the $$ instead of just
> spending less than half that for a proletarian range.

Let's not forget that you can buy a range that will cook food and boil water
for tea for $500. Your choice of gas or electric. Many people would be
very happy with that.

We had a Roper for the past 20 years and it was starting to show its age.
The oven needed repair, timer was shot for the past few years. So, we
decided that a Viking/Wolf/DCS for $5000 was out of our range and we set a
budget of $1200 or so. I looked at some models on line and thought he
Kitchen Aid was probably the best for our needs.

I had to stop at the grocery store on the way home from work and our local
appliance dealer is across the street. Since I was close, I figured I'd
take a peek at what they had on display. They sell all varieties from low
end to high end. He did have a KA similar to what I'd want. I also looked
at a Bosch dual fuel that was in the 2k range. Then I spotted the
Bertazzoni sitting by itself and the style caught my eye. Up to that point,
I never heard of the brand and it is relatively new in the US in spite of
120 years in Italy. Just for fun I did some research on the company and
found them to be of good quality. Three days later I took my wife to the
store and she saw and fell in love with the range too.

While a stretch of the budget, we figured it is the last stove we will ever
buy so why not get the best possible. It had the features we wanted, the
powerful burners, the grid over the top, sealed burners etc. So we bought.

I'm glad we did. It cooks well, the flame is perfect on every burner, the
oven is fantastic. Bertazzoni is more than we expected. I mentioned the
paint is applied at the same factory that paints the Lamborghini. Cooking
on this thing is like the difference between driving to work in the family
mini van or a fine crafted sports car. Responsive? A pot of boiling
potatoes can be controlled as fine and as quick from full boil to nothing
and back to boil the same as turning the volume knob on a radio.

pltrgyst wrote on Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:01:14 -0400:

>> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47

> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an
> orgasm.

Your standards are like what Joseph Henry Shorthouse (1834-1903) said
about Wordsworth’s admission that he might have gotten drunk at
Cambridge: “In all probability, Wordsworth’s standard of intoxication
was miserably low’ “



My sympathies!


--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:28:48 -0400, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "notbob" > wrote in message
>> electric to gas. After using an electric for most of the last 30 yrs, I
>> finally get back to gas (propane) and am not exactly thrilled to tears
>> (well, almost but not like you might think). First, it's almost
>> impossible
>> to get down to a low enough heat. Any attempt to do so has the flame
>> sputtering back and forth between still-too-hot and off. Never a problem
>> with electric.
>
> What you need is a different gas range. Mine will get down to 750 Btu, just
> the tiniest bit of even flame. All ranges are not created equal, no matter
> the fuel.

or invest in a flame-tamer.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:40:02 -0600, Christine Dabney wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT), Dee Dee
> > wrote:
>
>
>>What width is yours? Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>Dee Dee
>>
>
> Dee Dee!!!!!
>
> Welcome back!! I have missed your posts here!!!
>
> Christine

let me add a hearty yoo-hoo as well.

your pal,
blake