I have a special favor to ask of you, please!

My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.

Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
her:

http://getpublished.news-leader.com/...php?PhotoID=42
(scroll down to vote)

She is #42 and has been holding 1st place for some time.
She’s slipped into 2nd this evening, so the pressure is on !!

I would appreciate your help so very much!
I put up a webpage where voters can acknowledge themselves for their
support (if they chose). http://www.robbinsdale1963.com/kitchen/addresses.asp

If Betty wins, I’ll be adding ‘before and after’ photos to the
webpage
so people can see the joy your vote helped to bring.

Thank you, thank you, for your consideration,

Coleah

On Aug 15, 2:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>
> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
> Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
> which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>
> Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
> and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
> her:
>
> http://getpublished.news-leader.com/...php?PhotoID=42
> (scroll down to vote)
>
> She is #42 and has been holding 1st place for some time.
> She’s slipped into 2nd this evening, so the pressure is on !!
>
> I would appreciate your help so very much!
> I put up a webpage where voters can acknowledge themselves for their
> support (if they chose). http://www.robbinsdale1963.com/kitchen/addresses.asp
>
> If Betty wins, I’ll be adding ‘before and after’ photos to the
> webpage
> so people can see the joy your vote helped to bring.
>
> Thank you, thank you, for your consideration,
>
> Coleah

Freaking spammer! Why would we bother doing anything for you when you
only posted this to 17000 other groups?

Cooche wrote:
> I have a special favor to ask of you.
>
> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called
> The Ugly Odiferous Vagina Contest. �
>
> Thank you for your consideration.
>
> Cooche

Sheldon wrote:
> Cooche wrote:
> >
> > I have a special favor to ask of you.
>
> > My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called
> > The Ugly Odiferous Vagina Contest.
>
> > Thank you for your consideration.
>
> > Cooche

The Butterfly Joke

Q. How can you tell when a butterfly farts?
A. It flies in a straight line.




---

On Aug 15, 2:50�am, Coleah > wrote:


PU!

On Aug 15, 1:50*am, Coleah > wrote:
> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>
> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
> Kitchen Contest. *The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
> which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>
> Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
> and I’m asking you to please take a quick *moment to cast a vote for
> her:
>
> http://getpublished.news-leader.com/...php?PhotoID=42
> (scroll down to vote)
>
> She is #42 and has been holding 1st place for some time.
> She’s slipped into 2nd this evening, so the pressure is on !!
>
> I would appreciate your help so very much!
> I put up a webpage where voters can acknowledge themselves for their
> support (if they chose). *http://www.robbinsdale1963.com/kitchen/addresses.asp
>
> If Betty wins, I’ll be adding ‘before and after’ photos to the
> webpage
> so people can see the joy your vote helped to bring.
>
> Thank you, thank you, for your consideration,
>
> Coleah

--------------------------------------------------------
I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
confrontive. I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have her
kitchen updated.

As I originally said:
I have a special favor to ask of you, please!

My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.


Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
her:

http://getpublished.news-leader.com/...php?PhotoID=42
(scroll down to vote)


She is #42 and has been holding 1st place for some time.
She’s slipped into 2nd this evening, so the pressure is on !!


I would appreciate your help so very much!
I put up a webpage where voters can acknowledge themselves for their
support (if they chose). http://www.robbinsdale1963.com/kitchen/addresses.asp


If Betty wins, I’ll be adding ‘before and after’ photos to the
webpage so people can see the joy your vote helped to bring.

Thank you, thank you, for your consideration,


Coleah

Coleah > wrote:
> On Aug 15, 1:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
> > I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
> >
> > My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
> > Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
> > which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
> >
> > Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
> > and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
> > her:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
> confrontive. I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
> heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have her
> kitchen updated.
>
> As I originally said:

Did it bear repeating? No. You aren't targeting cooking newsgroups. You
posted it to alt.social-security-disability, alt.support.breast-implant,
alt.home.repair, misc.kids.health... You aren't interested in this "friend"
and her need for a new kitchen. You want people to visit your web site,
asshole.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Coleah > wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 1:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
>>> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>>>
>>> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
>>> Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
>>> which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>>>
>>> Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
>>> and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
>>> her:
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
>> confrontive. I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
>> heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have
>> her kitchen updated.
>>
>> As I originally said:
>
> Did it bear repeating? No. You aren't targeting cooking newsgroups.
> You posted it to alt.social-security-disability,
> alt.support.breast-implant, alt.home.repair, misc.kids.health... You
> aren't interested in this "friend" and her need for a new kitchen. You
> want people to visit your web site, asshole.
>
> Jill

Yeah, this person should see how ugly MY kitchen is. Dang, at least I
actually use mine. Poor taste. Very poor taste.

kili

Sheldon wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>> Cooche wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a special favor to ask of you.
>>
>>> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called
>>> The Ugly Odiferous Vagina Contest.
>>
>>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>
>>> Cooche
>
> The Butterfly Joke
>
> Q. How can you tell when a butterfly farts?
> A. It flies in a straight line.
>

Dang, a word of warrning would have been nice, Sheldon. I had a mouthful of
water. I can't believe I've never heard that one before! That's too funny!
Thanks for the smile. :~)

kili

Coleah wrote:
> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>
> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
> Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
> which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>


DESERVES? Why does she "deserve" it more than anyone else with an ugly
kitchen?

gloria p

Gloria P wrote:
> Coleah wrote:
>> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>>
>> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
>> Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
>> which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>>
>
>
> DESERVES? Why does she "deserve" it more than anyone else with an
> ugly kitchen?
>
> gloria p

She doesn't. Most of us probably have ugly kitchens. Sheesh.

kili

kilikini > wrote:

>Gloria P wrote:

>> Coleah wrote:

>>> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!

>>> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
>>> Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
>>> which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.

>> DESERVES? Why does she "deserve" it more than anyone else with an
>> ugly kitchen?

>She doesn't. Most of us probably have ugly kitchens. Sheesh.

Anyone with a 100-year old home has a moral duty to preserve
and maintain their 100-year-old kitchen architectural features.

I shudder at the thought of folks ripping this stuff out and
thinking they're doing the right thing.

Steve

Steve Pope > wrote:
> kilikini > wrote:
>
> > Gloria P wrote:
>
> > > Coleah wrote:
>
> > > > I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>
> > > > My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The
> > > > Ugly Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and
> > > > counters, which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>
> > > DESERVES? Why does she "deserve" it more than anyone else with
> > > an ugly kitchen?
>
> > She doesn't. Most of us probably have ugly kitchens. Sheesh.
>
> Anyone with a 100-year old home has a moral duty to preserve
> and maintain their 100-year-old kitchen architectural features.
>
> I shudder at the thought of folks ripping this stuff out and
> thinking they're doing the right thing.
>
> Steve

Depends on whether or not the stuff was junk to begin with. Just because
it's old doesn't mean it was well-constructed. Chances are it was but we
really don't know. Even if it was, it's entirely possible the original
cabinetry and such was ripped out in a kitchen rehab years ago and replaced
with more modern crap

Jill

On Aug 15, 10:46*am, "kilikini" > wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Coleah > wrote:
> >> On Aug 15, 1:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
> >>> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>
> >>> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
> >>> Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
> >>> which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>
> >>> Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
> >>> and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
> >>> her:
>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
> >> confrontive. *I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
> >> heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have
> >> her kitchen updated.
>
> >> As I originally said:
>
> > Did it bear repeating? *No. *You aren't targeting cooking newsgroups.
> > You posted it to alt.social-security-disability,
> > alt.support.breast-implant, alt.home.repair, misc.kids.health... *You
> > aren't interested in this "friend" and her need for a new kitchen. You
> > want people to visit your web site, asshole.
>
> > Jill
>
> Yeah, this person should see how ugly MY kitchen is. *

Just how ugly is your kitchen. Mine's so ugly the skim milk curdles
when I take it out of the grocery bag.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

John Kane wrote:
> On Aug 15, 10:46 am, "kilikini" > wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Coleah > wrote:
>>>> On Aug 15, 1:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
>>>>> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>>
>>>>> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The
>>>>> Ugly Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and
>>>>> counters, which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>>
>>>>> Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
>>>>> and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote
>>>>> for her:
>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>> I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
>>>> confrontive. I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
>>>> heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have
>>>> her kitchen updated.
>>
>>>> As I originally said:
>>
>>> Did it bear repeating? No. You aren't targeting cooking newsgroups.
>>> You posted it to alt.social-security-disability,
>>> alt.support.breast-implant, alt.home.repair, misc.kids.health... You
>>> aren't interested in this "friend" and her need for a new kitchen.
>>> You want people to visit your web site, asshole.
>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Yeah, this person should see how ugly MY kitchen is.
>
> Just how ugly is your kitchen. Mine's so ugly the skim milk curdles
> when I take it out of the grocery bag.
>
> John Kane Kingston ON Canada

Okay, we're tied. LOL.

kili

On 2008-08-15, John Kane > wrote:

> Just how ugly is your kitchen. Mine's so ugly the skim milk curdles
> when I take it out of the grocery bag.

heh heh....

My kitchen is so ugly, flavors refuse to "come together".

nb

"kilikini" > wrote in news:g84ef6$ajm$1
@news.datemas.de:

> John Kane wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 10:46 am, "kilikini" > wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Coleah > wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 15, 1:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
>>>>>> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>>>
>>>>>> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The
>>>>>> Ugly Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and
>>>>>> counters, which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>>>
>>>>>> Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
>>>>>> and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote
>>>>>> for her:
>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
>>>>> confrontive. I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
>>>>> heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have
>>>>> her kitchen updated.
>>>
>>>>> As I originally said:
>>>
>>>> Did it bear repeating? No. You aren't targeting cooking newsgroups.
>>>> You posted it to alt.social-security-disability,
>>>> alt.support.breast-implant, alt.home.repair, misc.kids.health... You
>>>> aren't interested in this "friend" and her need for a new kitchen.
>>>> You want people to visit your web site, asshole.
>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Yeah, this person should see how ugly MY kitchen is.
>>
>> Just how ugly is your kitchen. Mine's so ugly the skim milk curdles
>> when I take it out of the grocery bag.
>>
>> John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>
> Okay, we're tied. LOL.
>
> kili
>
>
>

HAH! you at least can get the milk outa the bag.

--

The house of the burning beet-Alan

jmcquown > wrote:

>Steve Pope > wrote:

>> Anyone with a 100-year old home has a moral duty to preserve
>> and maintain their 100-year-old kitchen architectural features.
>>
>> I shudder at the thought of folks ripping this stuff out and
>> thinking they're doing the right thing.

>Depends on whether or not the stuff was junk to begin with. Just because
>it's old doesn't mean it was well-constructed. Chances are it was but we
>really don't know. Even if it was, it's entirely possible the original
>cabinetry and such was ripped out in a kitchen rehab years ago and replaced
>with more modern crap

Good points.

Steve

jmcquown wrote:
> Coleah > wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 1:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
>> > I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>> >
>> > My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
>> > Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
>> > which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>> >
>> > Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
>> > and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
>> > her:
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
>> confrontive. I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
>> heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have her
>> kitchen updated.
>>
>> As I originally said:
>
> Did it bear repeating? No. You aren't targeting cooking newsgroups.
> You posted it to alt.social-security-disability,
> alt.support.breast-implant, alt.home.repair, misc.kids.health... You
> aren't interested in this "friend" and her need for a new kitchen. You
> want people to visit your web site, asshole.
>
> Jill

I'd be more inclined to do this for a poster I actually recognized!

--
Jean B.

On Aug 15, 6:52 pm, "Jean B." > wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Coleah > wrote:
> >> On Aug 15, 1:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
> >> > I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>
> >> > My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
> >> > Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
> >> > which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>
> >> > Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
> >> > and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
> >> > her:
>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
> >> confrontive. I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
> >> heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have her
> >> kitchen updated.
>
> >> As I originally said:
>
> > Did it bear repeating? No. You aren't targeting cooking newsgroups.
> > You posted it to alt.social-security-disability,
> > alt.support.breast-implant, alt.home.repair, misc.kids.health... You
> > aren't interested in this "friend" and her need for a new kitchen. You
> > want people to visit your web site, asshole.
>
> > Jill
>
> I'd be more inclined to do this for a poster I actually recognized!
>
> --
> Jean B.

Of course! Or even if it was a FOAP we recognized! I have a friend
whose
kitchen would likely get into the to 10 if not win the contest.

maxine in ri

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Aug 15, 6:52 pm, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Coleah > wrote:
>>>> On Aug 15, 1:50 am, Coleah > wrote:
>>>>> I have a special favor to ask of you, please!
>>>>> My friend Betty in Springfield, MO entered a contest called The Ugly
>>>>> Kitchen Contest. The prize is new kitchen cabinets and counters,
>>>>> which she really deserves for her 100 yr old home.
>>>>> Voting ends Friday at 4:59 p.m. CDT
>>>>> and I’m asking you to please take a quick moment to cast a vote for
>>>>> her:
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>> I apologize to those who found my very sincere request as something
>>>> confrontive. I believed that anyone who enjoys cooking might have a
>>>> heart to support the cause of a fellow 'cook' in a contest to have her
>>>> kitchen updated.
>>>> As I originally said:
>>> Did it bear repeating? No. You aren't targeting cooking newsgroups.
>>> You posted it to alt.social-security-disability,
>>> alt.support.breast-implant, alt.home.repair, misc.kids.health... You
>>> aren't interested in this "friend" and her need for a new kitchen. You
>>> want people to visit your web site, asshole.
>>> Jill
>> I'd be more inclined to do this for a poster I actually recognized!
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> Of course! Or even if it was a FOAP we recognized! I have a friend
> whose
> kitchen would likely get into the to 10 if not win the contest.
>
> maxine in ri

Yes, assuming you meant friend of a poster, and posted by someone
we recognize. I hate people who come here just for this or that
purpose.

--
Jean B.

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:38:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>Anyone with a 100-year old home has a moral duty to preserve
>and maintain their 100-year-old kitchen architectural features.
>
>I shudder at the thought of folks ripping this stuff out and
>thinking they're doing the right thing.

A number of years ago, the DH and I looked at buying a house in
Collierville TN that was over 100 years old and had actually been used
as a field hospital during the Battle of Shiloh, or so we were told.
Very pretty setting, very pretty house - traditional four rooms down
and four rooms up with central hall, stunning double staircase, but
the kitchen would have had to be just about gutted and joined to the
next room to work for a contemporary family. I just hated the thought
of busting through all that old lathe and plaster work. Although the
kitchen had certainly been somewhat updated over the years since the
Civil War, it was still cramped and bad original design didn't help.
We finally decided that the place would be a remodeling and
maintenance nightmare (had an oil furnace that looked as if the oil
was piped in from Saudi Arabia with ancient ductwork to boot) and the
cost would outweigh the charm.

It also had a couple of old slave quarters out back that were still in
decent shape and I was certainly of two minds about *that*! I mean, I
couldn't see making guest quarters or childrens' playrooms out of
them. Or even storage sheds. And tearing them down would have also
seemed disrespectful.

I often wonder what I could have done with the place given enough
time, money and imagination, though.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...who still misses Corky's
--
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> It also had a couple of old slave quarters out back that were still in
> decent shape and I was certainly of two minds about *that*! I mean, I
> couldn't see making guest quarters or childrens' playrooms out of
> them. Or even storage sheds. And tearing them down would have also
> seemed disrespectful.
>
> I often wonder what I could have done with the place given enough
> time, money and imagination, though.

The property would have made for a lovely bed and breakfast. The
servant's quarters could be cottages.

Folks are doing that with barns as well. This is an example in Mendocino
that I think was a wonderful idea. I'd love to stay there sometime and
their in-house chef, Alan Kantor sounds wonderful with his philosophy
and approach to food. I've read a few interviews he was the subject of.

http://maccallumhouse.com/

http://maccallumhouse.com/pages/acco...ions_info.html

They do have an online auction for their rooms with dinner one night and
two mornings worth the breakfast. Most of the bids have been going for
$600-$650 (the package is worth nearly $1,200 for two nights). I might
add that even though this sounds like a pricey affair, it's very
laid-back, and as elegant as the dining can be, you will see more people
in jeans and sweaters than jackets and dresses.

It could have been you!

--Lin (jonesing for a coastal drive)

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:56:52 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...who still misses Corky's

Heh, I know you're a military brat... but it seems like you've live a
hundred lives since then. I'm always amazed by your stories!



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:16:16 -0700, Lin >
wrote:

>Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>
>> It also had a couple of old slave quarters out back that were still in
>> decent shape and I was certainly of two minds about *that*! I mean, I
>> couldn't see making guest quarters or childrens' playrooms out of
>> them. Or even storage sheds. And tearing them down would have also
>> seemed disrespectful.
>>
>> I often wonder what I could have done with the place given enough
>> time, money and imagination, though.
>
>The property would have made for a lovely bed and breakfast. The
>servant's quarters could be cottages.
>
>Folks are doing that with barns as well. This is an example in Mendocino
>that I think was a wonderful idea. I'd love to stay there sometime and
>their in-house chef, Alan Kantor sounds wonderful with his philosophy
>and approach to food. I've read a few interviews he was the subject of.
>
>http://maccallumhouse.com/
>
>http://maccallumhouse.com/pages/acco...ions_info.html
>
>They do have an online auction for their rooms with dinner one night and
>two mornings worth the breakfast. Most of the bids have been going for
>$600-$650 (the package is worth nearly $1,200 for two nights). I might
>add that even though this sounds like a pricey affair, it's very
>laid-back, and as elegant as the dining can be, you will see more people
>in jeans and sweaters than jackets and dresses.
>
>It could have been you!
>
>--Lin (jonesing for a coastal drive)

Mendocino is still a place where many people dress for dinner "in the
right place". BTDT. Love the town of Mendocino! A couple of places
in Ft. Brag are equally as quaint and the driving distance isn't as
far as it seems on a map.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:38:33 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> > Anyone with a 100-year old home has a moral duty to preserve
> > and maintain their 100-year-old kitchen architectural features.
> >
> > I shudder at the thought of folks ripping this stuff out and
> > thinking they're doing the right thing.
>
> A number of years ago, the DH and I looked at buying a house in
> Collierville TN that was over 100 years old and had actually been used
> as a field hospital during the Battle of Shiloh, or so we were told.

I think I know the house you mean!

> Very pretty setting, very pretty house - traditional four rooms down
> and four rooms up with central hall, stunning double staircase, but
> the kitchen would have had to be just about gutted and joined to the
> next room to work for a contemporary family. I just hated the thought
> of busting through all that old lathe and plaster work. Although the
> kitchen had certainly been somewhat updated over the years since the
> Civil War, it was still cramped and bad original design didn't help.
>
Seems a lot of kitchens in older homes are like that. My paternal
grandmother's house was a victorian era Craftsman bungalow style. All the
rooms were spacious... except the kitchen. Even my apartment kitchen seems
spacious in comparison. There was virtually no counter space, just a little
on each side of the sink. She had a small work table (might have seated two
people) where she'd knead dough for bread.

> It also had a couple of old slave quarters out back that were still in
> decent shape and I was certainly of two minds about *that*! I mean, I
> couldn't see making guest quarters or childrens' playrooms out of
> them. Or even storage sheds. And tearing them down would have also
> seemed disrespectful.
>
I can understand the dilemma about that.

> I often wonder what I could have done with the place given enough
> time, money and imagination, though.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...who still misses Corky's

I forget where you are now... you can order and have it shipped:

http://www.corkysbbq.com/store.htm

Jill

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:38:33 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>> Anyone with a 100-year old home has a moral duty to preserve
>> and maintain their 100-year-old kitchen architectural features.
>>
>> I shudder at the thought of folks ripping this stuff out and
>> thinking they're doing the right thing.
>
> A number of years ago, the DH and I looked at buying a house in
> Collierville TN that was over 100 years old and had actually been used
> as a field hospital during the Battle of Shiloh, or so we were told.
> Very pretty setting, very pretty house - traditional four rooms down
> and four rooms up with central hall, stunning double staircase, but
> the kitchen would have had to be just about gutted and joined to the
> next room to work for a contemporary family. I just hated the thought
> of busting through all that old lathe and plaster work. Although the
> kitchen had certainly been somewhat updated over the years since the
> Civil War, it was still cramped and bad original design didn't help.
> We finally decided that the place would be a remodeling and
> maintenance nightmare (had an oil furnace that looked as if the oil
> was piped in from Saudi Arabia with ancient ductwork to boot) and the
> cost would outweigh the charm.
>
> It also had a couple of old slave quarters out back that were still in
> decent shape and I was certainly of two minds about *that*! I mean, I
> couldn't see making guest quarters or childrens' playrooms out of
> them. Or even storage sheds. And tearing them down would have also
> seemed disrespectful.
>
> I often wonder what I could have done with the place given enough
> time, money and imagination, though.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...who still misses Corky's

I am in the process of house-hunting, and, with any luck, I will
end up in a non-gutted antique house with its character intact.
Of course, it will have plumbing and electricity. Part of my
motive is that I grew up in an antique house and have always
wanted to live in one again. In fact, it has become a burning
desire--and the only thing that would prevent that is my
daughter's needs.

The other motive is that I am just sickened by folks buying the
really old houses and gutting them. I want to contribute some
more decades to an antique house's life without being gutted--and
I suspect my daughter would take it many more decades beyond what
I could do.

--
Jean B.

jmcquown > wrote:

>Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:

>> (Steve Pope) fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>>> Anyone with a 100-year old home has a moral duty to preserve
>>> and maintain their 100-year-old kitchen architectural features.

>> A number of years ago, the DH and I looked at buying a house in
>> Collierville TN that was over 100 years old [..]
>> the kitchen would have had to be just about gutted and joined to the
>> next room to work for a contemporary family. I just hated the thought
>> of busting through all that old lathe and plaster work. Although the
>> kitchen had certainly been somewhat updated over the years since the
>> Civil War, it was still cramped and bad original design didn't help.

>Seems a lot of kitchens in older homes are like that. My paternal
>grandmother's house was a victorian era Craftsman bungalow style. All the
>rooms were spacious... except the kitchen. Even my apartment kitchen seems
>spacious in comparison. There was virtually no counter space, just a little
>on each side of the sink. She had a small work table (might have seated two
>people) where she'd knead dough for bread.

Tangentially, I knew a guy (originally from the British Isles) who
wanted to custom-build a large house with a small kitchen. I'm
not sure what his reasoning was -- perhaps he didn't want the kitchen
to become a center of social activity, or perhaps he felt whoever
was working in the kitchen should not feel they had it too nice.

In any case, he could not find an architect willing to design
such a house. The once-standard small kitchen is now a legal
liability.

Some of the local older houses do not even have a sink in the
kitchen -- it's in a even-smaller room off to the side. Presumably
this was so you could station an individual to work there as a
dishwasher, and he/she would have even lower status then the cook,
and wouldn't normally enter the kitchen.

In any case, it's a relatively recent concept that the "lady of
the house" would ever submit to work in the kitchen, which I
think is why the older ones are so small.

Steve

Jean B. wrote:

> I am in the process of house-hunting, and, with any luck, I will end up
> in a non-gutted antique house with its character intact. Of course, it
> will have plumbing and electricity. Part of my motive is that I grew up
> in an antique house and have always wanted to live in one again. In
> fact, it has become a burning desire--and the only thing that would
> prevent that is my daughter's needs.
>
> The other motive is that I am just sickened by folks buying the really
> old houses and gutting them. I want to contribute some more decades to
> an antique house's life without being gutted--and I suspect my daughter
> would take it many more decades beyond what I could do.

This is not for everyone, but I believe it is a wonderful goal, if you
have the knowledge, the desire and the money. It sounds like you would
really enjoy doing this.

My sister worked for a couple of years on an antique house, only to give
it to her ex-DIL who moved back, needed a place to live and wanted to
mother her children again. My sister was worn out from taking care of
the children, so she let her have the house.

Wednesday morning, I am taking my sister's granddaughter to the hair
salon. She is 15, so she is getting highlights, a haircut, a manicure
and a pedicure. She will be surprised, she thinks she is just getting a
haircut, but my sister told me that she would love highlights and it is
ok with her Mom. I am the youngest in the family and I do not have any
grandchildren, so I get to spoil my sisters.

Becca

Becca wrote:>
> This is not for everyone, but I believe it is a wonderful goal, if you
> have the knowledge, the desire and the money. It sounds like you would
> really enjoy doing this.

I have the desire and some knowledge (and the sense to research
and find knowledgeable folks if necessary). I am NOT capable of
dealing with a house that is about to fall down, alas, and have
found an agent to help me in that regard. I just saw one house
that was nicely buttressed and in sturdy condition, but
unfortunately it didn't have a decent second bedroom, and the
setup wasn't quite right for our purposes. I also didn't like the
covered fireplaces....
>
> My sister worked for a couple of years on an antique house, only to give
> it to her ex-DIL who moved back, needed a place to live and wanted to
> mother her children again. My sister was worn out from taking care of
> the children, so she let her have the house.

That is quite a gift.... I hope the house has not suffered.
>
> Wednesday morning, I am taking my sister's granddaughter to the hair
> salon. She is 15, so she is getting highlights, a haircut, a manicure
> and a pedicure. She will be surprised, she thinks she is just getting a
> haircut, but my sister told me that she would love highlights and it is
> ok with her Mom. I am the youngest in the family and I do not have any
> grandchildren, so I get to spoil my sisters.

Fun, fun! Is she about to go back to school in this spiffy
condition?

--
Jean B.

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:07:10 -0400, "jmcquown" >
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>I think I know the house you mean!

It truly was one of a kind and we were sorely tempted. IIRC, it was
right near where the train station is/was, which is why it reputedly
had been used as a field hospital after the Battle of Shiloh.

>I forget where you are now... you can order and have it shipped:
>
>http://www.corkysbbq.com/store.htm

We're in SoCal and I've actually ordered from Corky's online, but it
just isn't the same. My old law firm was right across the street
(Poplar, about 5 mins. from the Germantown line) from a Corky's and
our runner was constantly going back and forth to get our orders, esp.
when we were working overtime (#1 on the letterhead hated the smell of
food in an office and you wouldn't catch *him* working overtime).
There are olfactory memories crankin' out here and I'm jonesin' for
ribs!

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...who just has spaghetti sauce in the
crockpot for tonight
--
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

Jean B. wrote:

>> Wednesday morning, I am taking my sister's granddaughter to the hair
>> salon. She is 15, so she is getting highlights, a haircut, a manicure
>> and a pedicure. She will be surprised, she thinks she is just getting
>> a haircut, but my sister told me that she would love highlights and it
>> is ok with her Mom. I am the youngest in the family and I do not have
>> any grandchildren, so I get to spoil my sisters.
>
> Fun, fun! Is she about to go back to school in this spiffy condition?

This will be her freshman year in high school, so she is very excited.
She is a sweetheart and she is gorgeous. This is her birthday gift and
I will be getting a haircut at the same time. It will be fun. We will
go out to lunch and have girl talk.

She is a good kid, the oldest with 4 younger brothers and her parents
are divorced. Her mother was an alcoholic who stopped drinking 4 years
ago and her father is a drug addict. When her Mom, who was living in
Indiana, came home to visit, she told my sister that she was sober and
wanted to move back. This is why my sister moved out of the house and
her ex-DIL moved in (the kids were already living there). She has been
sober for 4 years and she is like a daughter to my sister. My sister has
5 sons.

Becca

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:02:58 -0500, Becca >
wrote:

>Jean B. wrote:
>
>>> Wednesday morning, I am taking my sister's granddaughter to the hair
>>> salon. She is 15, so she is getting highlights, a haircut, a manicure
>>> and a pedicure. She will be surprised, she thinks she is just getting
>>> a haircut, but my sister told me that she would love highlights and it
>>> is ok with her Mom. I am the youngest in the family and I do not have
>>> any grandchildren, so I get to spoil my sisters.
>>
>> Fun, fun! Is she about to go back to school in this spiffy condition?
>
>This will be her freshman year in high school, so she is very excited.
>She is a sweetheart and she is gorgeous. This is her birthday gift and
>I will be getting a haircut at the same time. It will be fun. We will
>go out to lunch and have girl talk.
>
>She is a good kid, the oldest with 4 younger brothers and her parents
>are divorced. Her mother was an alcoholic who stopped drinking 4 years
>ago and her father is a drug addict. When her Mom, who was living in
>Indiana, came home to visit, she told my sister that she was sober and
>wanted to move back. This is why my sister moved out of the house and
>her ex-DIL moved in (the kids were already living there). She has been
>sober for 4 years and she is like a daughter to my sister. My sister has
>5 sons.
>
Your sister sounds like a wonderful person, as do you!



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:02:58 -0500, Becca >
> wrote:
>
>> Jean B. wrote:
>>
>>>> Wednesday morning, I am taking my sister's granddaughter to the hair
>>>> salon. She is 15, so she is getting highlights, a haircut, a manicure
>>>> and a pedicure. She will be surprised, she thinks she is just getting
>>>> a haircut, but my sister told me that she would love highlights and it
>>>> is ok with her Mom. I am the youngest in the family and I do not have
>>>> any grandchildren, so I get to spoil my sisters.
>>> Fun, fun! Is she about to go back to school in this spiffy condition?
>> This will be her freshman year in high school, so she is very excited.
>> She is a sweetheart and she is gorgeous. This is her birthday gift and
>> I will be getting a haircut at the same time. It will be fun. We will
>> go out to lunch and have girl talk.
>>
>> She is a good kid, the oldest with 4 younger brothers and her parents
>> are divorced. Her mother was an alcoholic who stopped drinking 4 years
>> ago and her father is a drug addict. When her Mom, who was living in
>> Indiana, came home to visit, she told my sister that she was sober and
>> wanted to move back. This is why my sister moved out of the house and
>> her ex-DIL moved in (the kids were already living there). She has been
>> sober for 4 years and she is like a daughter to my sister. My sister has
>> 5 sons.
>>
> Your sister sounds like a wonderful person, as do you!

Aw shucks <blushing>

Becca

Becca wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>
>>> Wednesday morning, I am taking my sister's granddaughter to the hair
>>> salon. She is 15, so she is getting highlights, a haircut, a
>>> manicure and a pedicure. She will be surprised, she thinks she is
>>> just getting a haircut, but my sister told me that she would love
>>> highlights and it is ok with her Mom. I am the youngest in the family
>>> and I do not have any grandchildren, so I get to spoil my sisters.
>>
>> Fun, fun! Is she about to go back to school in this spiffy condition?
>
> This will be her freshman year in high school, so she is very excited.
> She is a sweetheart and she is gorgeous. This is her birthday gift and
> I will be getting a haircut at the same time. It will be fun. We will
> go out to lunch and have girl talk.
>
> She is a good kid, the oldest with 4 younger brothers and her parents
> are divorced. Her mother was an alcoholic who stopped drinking 4 years
> ago and her father is a drug addict. When her Mom, who was living in
> Indiana, came home to visit, she told my sister that she was sober and
> wanted to move back. This is why my sister moved out of the house and
> her ex-DIL moved in (the kids were already living there). She has been
> sober for 4 years and she is like a daughter to my sister. My sister has
> 5 sons.
>
> Becca

Give us a report on Wednesday's outcome.

I am glad things are turning around for the mother--and the kids....

--
Jean B.