http://www.recfoodcooking.com

Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:23 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
>Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.

I've made jam and chutney and sauces... but I've never attempted to
preserve actual food, so no, I've never canned.

Kajikit wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:23 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>>Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>
> I've made jam and chutney and sauces... but I've never attempted to
> preserve actual food, so no, I've never canned.

I thought Terry meant those as well, because he did say jars were
included. Who knows?

So don't you consider jam, chutney and sauces to be food? I do LOL! If I
can eat it, it's food ;-)
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On Wed 27 Aug 2008 07:40:23a, ChattyCathy told us...

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.

Each year I usually make small batches of jams, preserves, corn relish, and
various pickles. As far as canning food, other than tomatoes, I don't care
for canned food, be it home canned or commercial.

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Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> ChattyCathy > news:g93orm$3e9$1
> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>
> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
> newsgroup. Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
> probably be the reverse. I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners will
> vote later.
>
> Michael
>
>
Just got home and saw the survey Michael and did vote. I'm one of the
two who voted that they can a lot so far. Probably either Wayne or Barb
is the other one.

On Wed 27 Aug 2008 08:48:23a, George Shirley told us...

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> ChattyCathy > news:g93orm$3e9$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>>
>> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
>> newsgroup. Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
>> probably be the reverse. I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners
>> will vote later.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
> Just got home and saw the survey Michael and did vote. I'm one of the
> two who voted that they can a lot so far. Probably either Wayne or Barb
> is the other one.
>

Must have been Barb, George. I picked MCINL because I don't typically can
vegetables as in "putting food by", and I mostly make small batches of
various, jams, preserves, and pickles, although I do it fairly often. If I
run onto a glut of really good tomatoes, I will either can them or make
tomato juice, but that isn't often. I'm not overly fond of other canned
vegetables. They're usually too "cooked" for my taste. :-)

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George Shirley wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> ChattyCathy > news:g93orm$3e9$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>>
>> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
>> newsgroup. Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
>> probably be the reverse. I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners
>> will vote later.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
> Just got home and saw the survey Michael and did vote. I'm one of the
> two who voted that they can a lot so far. Probably either Wayne or Barb
> is the other one.


What is the MCINL?

BTW, I'm one of the "occasionally"s. Used to can all the time when I
lived in Texas. Up here, not so much because I seldom grow a surplus of
anything, and we don't eat all that much jams and jellies.

Bob

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
> newsgroup.
> Michael

Not to mention real life. :-)
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"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> What is the MCINL?
>

My Choice Is Not Listed

In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Wed 27 Aug 2008 08:48:23a, George Shirley told us...
>
> > Just got home and saw the survey Michael and did vote. I'm one of the
> > two who voted that they can a lot so far. Probably either Wayne or Barb
> > is the other one.
> >
>
> Must have been Barb, George.

Not me; I rarely visit the site and haven't seen it. Maybe The Cook.
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On Aug 27, 11:10�am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> ChattyCathy > �news:g93orm$3e9$1
> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> > Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>
> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
> newsgroup. �Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
> probably be the reverse. �I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners will
> vote later.


I've done canning but that was a long time ago and didn't think it was
worth the effort. Instead I freeze foods... I don't even bother to
grow many vegetables anymore because buying frozen is easier and they
are better quality... no more greenbean growing for me, this was my
last year... large bags of frozen are inexpensive, totally labor free,
and better/uniform quality. These days canning is strictly a hobby,
except for highly specialized recipes has no utilitarian value
whatsoever... like what's the point in growing/buying tomatoes to can
when canned tomatoes of every variety are so readily available and so
inexpensively. This year I only planted salad tomatoes, growing
tomatoes for making sauce from scratch is not worth it... I always end
up making far more than I can use, requires a tremendous amount of
time and effort, and all things considered are expensive, growing
tomatoes is much more expensive than buying canned. I can reasdily
buy excellent tinned tomatoes at the store to make sauce as I need
it. I've decided on a policy of only growing produce I eat fresh.
Growing produce people used to grow to "put up" doesn't make sense
anymore, nowadays everything people grow to can is available already
frozen, much better quality, no effort involved, far less costly, and
no waste and no risk.

In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> various pickles. As far as canning food, other than tomatoes, I don't care
> for canned food, be it home canned or commercial.

Canned peaches elicit fond memories of a dear friend from my youth.
She's into her 90s now. Unexpected company never phased her. She
could make a lovely meal of not much and I remember canned peach or pear
halves on a lettuce leaf, cut side up, with cottage cheese in the center
and a maraschino cherry on top.

I love you, Edna B.
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On Wed 27 Aug 2008 09:27:41a, Melba's Jammin' told us...

> In article 7>,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>> various pickles. As far as canning food, other than tomatoes, I don't
>> care for canned food, be it home canned or commercial.
>
> Canned peaches elicit fond memories of a dear friend from my youth.
> She's into her 90s now. Unexpected company never phased her. She
> could make a lovely meal of not much and I remember canned peach or pear
> halves on a lettuce leaf, cut side up, with cottage cheese in the center
> and a maraschino cherry on top.
>
> I love you, Edna B.

I should say that I do like home canned peaches. Also home canned grape
juice and tomato juice. It's mostly home canned vegetables that I don't
care for.

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Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> ChattyCathy > news:g93orm$3e9$1
> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>
> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
> newsgroup. Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
> probably be the reverse. I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners will
> vote later.

rec.food.puttingstuffawayforwinter ?


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Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article >,
> "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>
>> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
>> newsgroup.
>> Michael
>
> Not to mention real life. :-)

I would think that the further we get from the The Great Depression, the
lower the home-canner numbers will be. Other influences: freezers and
refrigerators becoming commonplace in the first world, improvements in
transportation and distribution, etc.


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Sheldon wrote:
> On Aug 27, 11:10�am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>> ChattyCathy > �news:g93orm$3e9$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
>> newsgroup. �Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
>> probably be the reverse. �I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners will
>> vote later.
>
>
> I've done canning but that was a long time ago and didn't think it was
> worth the effort. Instead I freeze foods... I don't even bother to
> grow many vegetables anymore because buying frozen is easier and they
> are better quality... no more greenbean growing for me, this was my
> last year... large bags of frozen are inexpensive, totally labor free,
> and better/uniform quality. These days canning is strictly a hobby,
> except for highly specialized recipes has no utilitarian value
> whatsoever... like what's the point in growing/buying tomatoes to can
> when canned tomatoes of every variety are so readily available and so
> inexpensively. This year I only planted salad tomatoes, growing
> tomatoes for making sauce from scratch is not worth it... I always end
> up making far more than I can use, requires a tremendous amount of
> time and effort, and all things considered are expensive, growing
> tomatoes is much more expensive than buying canned. I can reasdily
> buy excellent tinned tomatoes at the store to make sauce as I need
> it. I've decided on a policy of only growing produce I eat fresh.
> Growing produce people used to grow to "put up" doesn't make sense
> anymore, nowadays everything people grow to can is available already
> frozen, much better quality, no effort involved, far less costly, and
> no waste and no risk.
>

Good points. I think of growing or purchasing local produce and
canning (have never done it), spurred on as I see more and more of
our food coming from China and other places that I don't
particularly want to buy food from.

--
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:23 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
>Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.

I've never canned but would like to and plan on doing it sometime in
the near future. I spoke here recently about a bunch of berries I
have and I want to try something with them. I'd also like to try
making dill pickles.

Unfortunately right now I'm in the middle of a honey-do week/month and
it's going to be awhile before I can spend much time in the kitchen
other than throwing a quick dinner together.

Painter Lou

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.

I wish there was an option for the past tense. When we lived in New
Jersey and had a garden (before the coming of the voracious deer) I
planted 100 plum tomato (a/k/a Roma) plants and canned my own tomatoes.
I also took the kids to the local apple orchard in the Fall and let them
pick apples which I mixed with some purchased bushels and I did pints of
apple sauce.

I could probably can tomatoes here in way-the-heck-south Texas, as they
are inexpensive at the farmer's market, but with just the two of us, why
bother.

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Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:23 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>
> I've never canned but would like to and plan on doing it sometime in
> the near future. I spoke here recently about a bunch of berries I
> have and I want to try something with them. I'd also like to try
> making dill pickles.
>
> Unfortunately right now I'm in the middle of a honey-do week/month and
> it's going to be awhile before I can spend much time in the kitchen
> other than throwing a quick dinner together.
>
> Painter Lou
Let me recommend a site for you to consider Lou.

http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/index.html

The National Food Safety site with lots of details on preserving food.
They even have an on line food preserving course you can take at no
charge. There is also a good bit of information on the
rec.food.preserving FAQ site at:

http://rfpfaq.jaclu.com/rfpFAQ.htm

In addition you can read and post on rec.food.preserving and there a
number of very competent home canners who post there.

Good luck.

Blinky the Shark wrote:

> I would think that the further we get from the The Great Depression, the
> lower the home-canner numbers will be. Other influences: freezers and
> refrigerators becoming commonplace in the first world, improvements in
> transportation and distribution, etc.

Okra, green beans, corn and peas will go in the freezer, but some foods
are better canned. Fresh, blackberry jelly, grandma's corn relish,
chow-chow, pickles. These are better canned.

Becca

Becca wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> I would think that the further we get from the The Great Depression, the
>> lower the home-canner numbers will be. Other influences: freezers and
>> refrigerators becoming commonplace in the first world, improvements in
>> transportation and distribution, etc.
>
> Okra, green beans, corn and peas will go in the freezer, but some foods
> are better canned. Fresh, blackberry jelly, grandma's corn relish,
> chow-chow, pickles. These are better canned.

Yeah, I wasn't thinking about jam and pickles. I was thinking about
survival canning.

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George Shirley wrote:

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> > ChattyCathy > news:g93orm$3e9$1
> > @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
> >
> >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> >>
> >> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
> >
> > Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
> > newsgroup. Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
> > probably be the reverse. I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners
will
> > vote later.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> Just got home and saw the survey Michael and did vote. I'm one of the
> two who voted that they can a lot so far. Probably either Wayne or Barb
> is the other one.


I used to can a lot some years ago, but it was more a "hobby" thing, not a
"necessity" thing...


====> still have a boatload of cannning jars, equipment, and cookbooks...


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ChattyCathy wrote on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:23 +0200:

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com

> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.

Looks lke I am in the majority: I don't!
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Becca wrote:
>
> > Blinky the Shark wrote:
> >
> >> I would think that the further we get from the The Great Depression,
the
> >> lower the home-canner numbers will be. Other influences: freezers and
> >> refrigerators becoming commonplace in the first world, improvements in
> >> transportation and distribution, etc.
> >
> > Okra, green beans, corn and peas will go in the freezer, but some foods
> > are better canned. Fresh, blackberry jelly, grandma's corn relish,
> > chow-chow, pickles. These are better canned.
>
> Yeah, I wasn't thinking about jam and pickles. I was thinking about
> survival canning.


Which is what my parents and many others did on the farm during the
Depression (folks married in '34). Summer was canning time, autumn was
hog - butchering time...the root cellar was full of things. Many quarts of
meat would be canned (beef...). Many did not have electricity 'til '40 or
so when the REA came in...putting stuff by was a necessity.

I remember the root cellar when I was little kid in the late '50's but by
then it was barely used. The big black iron cauldron used for hog
butchering was by then used as a flower planter. I remember my folks
killing chickens, but by c. '61 or so that was a thing of the past...our
income was going up and we didn't have to kill our own fowl.

My dad became fairly prosperous during the war from farming (even bought mom
a fur coat!), when production controls were lifted after the war the first
thing they bought was a big deep freeze, at the time they were expensive
enough to be a real luxury item...having a deep freeze c. 1947 meant that
you had "arrived", it was almost as prestigious as having a new car (new
cars were in short supply 'til 49 or so IIRC) It was the International
Harvester brand IIRC...

During the Truman years of the late 40's there were some lobbyist -type
scandals, I don't remember the exact details, but among the "gifts" given to
grease the corruption were fur coats, jewelry - and deep freezes...!!!


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I can stuff. Just canned tons of tomatoes today. I also make tons of jam.
I do it because I like to buy my produce locally when it is in season. It
was much easier in California but now that I am in Mass. it is more of a
necessity if I want the local produce in the winter.

J.


On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:31:43 -0400, Michael \Dog3\ wrote
(in article >):

> Melba's Jammin' > news:barbschaller-
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> In article >,
>> "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
>>> newsgroup.
>>> Michael
>>
>> Not to mention real life. :-)
>
> More than likely. I can't think of anyone right off hand that is a canner
> that I know besides you. That I've met in RL anyway.
>
> Michael
>
>

Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Becca wrote:
>>
>> > Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> >
>> >> I would think that the further we get from the The Great Depression,
> the
>> >> lower the home-canner numbers will be. Other influences: freezers and
>> >> refrigerators becoming commonplace in the first world, improvements in
>> >> transportation and distribution, etc.
>> >
>> > Okra, green beans, corn and peas will go in the freezer, but some foods
>> > are better canned. Fresh, blackberry jelly, grandma's corn relish,
>> > chow-chow, pickles. These are better canned.
>>
>> Yeah, I wasn't thinking about jam and pickles. I was thinking about
>> survival canning.
>
> Which is what my parents and many others did on the farm during the
> Depression (folks married in '34). Summer was canning time, autumn was
> hog - butchering time...the root cellar was full of things. Many quarts of
> meat would be canned (beef...). Many did not have electricity 'til '40 or
> so when the REA came in...putting stuff by was a necessity.

I know what you're talking about, but you just reminded me of another bit
of history. Do you remember the REA that was the Railway Express Agency?
Kind of an early UPS that the railroads created to deliver
rails-transported packages to the business or home?

> I remember the root cellar when I was little kid in the late '50's but
> by then it was barely used. The big black iron cauldron used for hog
> butchering was by then used as a flower planter. I remember my folks
> killing chickens, but by c. '61 or so that was a thing of the past...our
> income was going up and we didn't have to kill our own fowl.

I lived in a small town (barely: three or four blocks from the city
limits), but we had a "fruit cellar" for back stock on supermarket stuff
and the canning my grandmother (who lived with us) and mother would do.
It was originally our coal bin -- a room off the (very unfinished)
basement with a door and with a window at ground level next to the
driveway, that the coal truck stuck its chute into. After we got oil
heat, that got cleaned out and became food storage.

> My dad became fairly prosperous during the war from farming (even bought
> mom a fur coat!), when production controls were lifted after the war the
> first thing they bought was a big deep freeze, at the time they were
> expensive enough to be a real luxury item...having a deep freeze c. 1947
> meant that you had "arrived", it was almost as prestigious as having a
> new car (new cars were in short supply 'til 49 or so IIRC) It was the
> International Harvester brand IIRC...

I didn't know they made appliances.

> During the Truman years of the late 40's there were some lobbyist -type
> scandals, I don't remember the exact details, but among the "gifts"
> given to grease the corruption were fur coats, jewelry - and deep
> freezes...!!!

Heh!

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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:

>> I know what you're talking about, but you just reminded me of another
>> bit of history. Do you remember the REA that was the Railway Express
>> Agency? Kind of an early UPS that the railroads created to deliver
>> rails-transported packages to the business or home?
>
> Yup, I remember using them in the early 70's when I ordered some hi - fi
> equipment from a place in Chicago (I lived in downstate Illinois), it
> was just about the only way to safely ship larger items (in this case a
> pair of Advent speakers). Even at that I had to drive 30 miles to their
> facility to pick them up...
>
> Back in the day REA was ubiquitous, kinda like Western Union...it was
> basically "the only game in town"...

Aye. Kinda darkish green trucks, weren't they?

> Reminds me of when we'd order stuff through Sears or other catalog
> places, our little county seat had a Sears "catalog agency", you'd order
> the goods and pick them up at the place. We did have a small J. C.
> Penney store where you'd do the same thing...

Yeppers.

> What did we do before the spread of UPS, Fedex, etc.? Has been a boon
> for rural areas especially. I can order stuff for my family who live in
> the sticks and everything is electronically tracked, down to the minute
> of delivery.

More Antiquity: I was just telling boli, last night in chat, that I sent
a telegram once. (Trivia: Western Union moved its last telegram on
January 27, 2006, shutting down the service on that date.)

> I watch a lot of old movies and if there is a train station scene there
> is invariably an "REA" logo...last I remember was a few weeks ago when I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...gency_sign.jpg

> saw _Abbot & Costello Meet Frankenstein_, the boys were REA agents who
> accepted delivery of a big box containing the body of Frankenstein,
> lol...



>> I lived in a small town (barely: three or four blocks from the city
>> limits), but we had a "fruit cellar" for back stock on supermarket
>> stuff and the canning my grandmother (who lived with us) and mother
>> would do. It was originally our coal bin -- a room off the (very
>> unfinished) basement with a door and with a window at ground level next
>> to the driveway, that the coal truck stuck its chute into. After we
>> got oil heat, that got cleaned out and became food storage.
>
> Argh, coal...!!! We were SO glad to get "city gas" c. 1966, no more of
> that nasty and dirty coal, having to go down and feed the furnace on
> cold mornings...
>
> The clinkers were great to put on the gravel driveway, though...gave a
> lot of "traction" in the cold winter...

I'll bet!

> People pine for the old days, but I'll take this time when we have great
> parcel deliveries, clean heating systems, and relatively affordable deep
> freezes...

I'm kind of partial to the braless early 1970s.


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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:23 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
>Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.

Mom used to can all the time. We had a garden in the back of our lot
and Mom put up a lot of vegetables so we could have "fresh" vegetables
in the winter. Mom and Dad used to make their own root beer too,
until a batch blew up in the basement. That kind of slowed the root
beer project.

My wife's mother used to can all the time too. Same reason. Although
they never tried the root beer production.

Since we've been married, my wife and I have never canned anything. We
find the fresh and frozen vegetables at the market much easier to
manage, and much less work.

Ron Kelley

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:03:27 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>Kajikit wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:23 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>>Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>>
>> I've made jam and chutney and sauces... but I've never attempted to
>> preserve actual food, so no, I've never canned.
>
>I thought Terry meant those as well, because he did say jars were
>included. Who knows?
>
>So don't you consider jam, chutney and sauces to be food? I do LOL! If I
>can eat it, it's food ;-)

Yup. I figure that if it started as food and you put it on the shelf
after it's been put up, it's "canned".

I come from a family of 14. Mom put up well over a hundred quarts of
tomatoes, a similar amount of corn, about sixty quarts of strawberry
preserves, also black raspberry and cherry and some grape juice
occasionally. But once we could afford a freezer, canning mostly went
by the boards. Except for the raspberry preserves... we clamored for
those.

Best -- Terry
.... ticked off that I can't grow black raspberries down here in Parts
Unknown, Kaintucky...

In article >,
Ron > wrote:

> Since we've been married, my wife and I have never canned anything. We
> find the fresh and frozen vegetables at the market much easier to
> manage, and much less work.
>
> Ron Kelley

Sure. When Mom was cooking for 13 people every night, she had a huge
garden and grew, then canned, the vegetables we ate. Store bought was
seasonal fruit, lugs of peaches and pears to be canned for winter use,
canned plums, cherries, and raspberries for after-school snacks. Fresh
fruit was only available in season and I don't know about commercially
frozen vegetables--we had a big deep freeze that was also put to use.
This was before the US imported much, if anything, from other countries
in the way of produce. If I think too much about her life taking care
of us, I cry. She worked harder than any woman I've known.

There is some effort involved in home preserving but I think it's hard
to beat good home-canned peaches or pears. :-) I'm glad I know how to
do it.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, blahblahblog is back and
most recently updated last night, 8-17-2008. Fair entries are DONE!

In article >,
Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
> I've never canned but would like to and plan on doing it sometime in
> the near future. I spoke here recently about a bunch of berries I
> have and I want to try something with them. I'd also like to try
> making dill pickles.

When you're ready, Lou, by all means check in at rec.food.preserving.
Knowledgeable and generally congenial contributors there. Or get
yourself a Ball Blue Book, study the basics, and follow the
instructions. That's what I did about 35-40 years ago. :-)

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, blahblahblog is back and
most recently updated last night, 8-17-2008. Fair entries are DONE!

> Sheldon > news:1d9f62f4-17ad-402f-919f-47c4404e8d24
> @t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: in rec.food.cooking

>
> > like what's the point in growing/buying tomatoes to can
> > when canned tomatoes of every variety are so readily available and so
> > inexpensively.

I'm guessing better taste is a big reason along with a certain amount of
pride in simply being able to and knowing how to.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, blahblahblog is back and
most recently updated last night, 8-17-2008. Fair entries are DONE!

Terry wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:03:27 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>Kajikit wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've made jam and chutney and sauces... but I've never attempted to
>>> preserve actual food, so no, I've never canned.
>>
>>I thought Terry meant those as well, because he did say jars were
>>included. Who knows?
>>
>>So don't you consider jam, chutney and sauces to be food? I do LOL! If
>>I can eat it, it's food ;-)
>
> Yup. I figure that if it started as food and you put it on the shelf
> after it's been put up, it's "canned".
>
> I come from a family of 14. Mom put up well over a hundred quarts of
> tomatoes, a similar amount of corn, about sixty quarts of strawberry
> preserves, also black raspberry and cherry and some grape juice
> occasionally. But once we could afford a freezer, canning mostly went
> by the boards. Except for the raspberry preserves... we clamored for
> those.
>
> Best -- Terry
> ... ticked off that I can't grow black raspberries down here in Parts
> Unknown, Kaintucky...

I never bothered much with home 'canning' until Dad showed me 'how it's
done'. He also comes from a fairly big family - he grew up on a farm -
and they did a lot of it and relied on it heavily for meals too.

So, when he came to live with us he showed me how he makes dill pickles
and what you guys call 'bread and butter pickles'. We have quite a few
fig trees in the yard, so there might be some fig jam on the horizon
when they produce fruit shortly (almost that time of year here) - if we
can pick the figs before the birds get at them ;-)

I must admit I enjoy his home made goodies far more than the 'store
bought' stuff. IMHO, even if a company uses somebody's 'home recipe' to
make their preserves etc., it never tastes quite as good as when it's
*really* made at home.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Egg tastes better when it's not on your face...

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 27, 11:10?am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> ChattyCathy > ?news:g93orm$3e9$1
> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> > Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>
> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
> newsgroup. ?Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
> probably be the reverse. ?I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners will
> vote later.


I've done canning but that was a long time ago and didn't think it was
worth the effort. Instead I freeze foods... I don't even bother to
grow many vegetables anymore because buying frozen is easier and they
are better quality... no more greenbean growing for me, this was my
last year... large bags of frozen are inexpensive, totally labor free,
and better/uniform quality. These days canning is strictly a hobby,
except for highly specialized recipes has no utilitarian value
whatsoever... like what's the point in growing/buying tomatoes to can
when canned tomatoes of every variety are so readily available and so
inexpensively. This year I only planted salad tomatoes, growing
tomatoes for making sauce from scratch is not worth it... I always end
up making far more than I can use, requires a tremendous amount of
time and effort, and all things considered are expensive, growing
tomatoes is much more expensive than buying canned. I can reasdily
buy excellent tinned tomatoes at the store to make sauce as I need
it. I've decided on a policy of only growing produce I eat fresh.
Growing produce people used to grow to "put up" doesn't make sense
anymore, nowadays everything people grow to can is available already
frozen, much better quality, no effort involved, far less costly, and
no waste and no risk.


But don't you get a sense of satisfaction from the stuff you do grow
yourself?

"Kswck" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Aug 27, 11:10?am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>> ChattyCathy > ?news:g93orm$3e9$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>>
>> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> > Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>>
>> Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
>> newsgroup. ?Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
>> probably be the reverse. ?I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners
>> will
>> vote later.
>
>
> I've done canning but that was a long time ago and didn't think it was
> worth the effort. Instead I freeze foods... I don't even bother to
> grow many vegetables anymore because buying frozen is easier and they
> are better quality... no more greenbean growing for me, this was my
> last year... large bags of frozen are inexpensive, totally labor free,
> and better/uniform quality. These days canning is strictly a hobby,
> except for highly specialized recipes has no utilitarian value
> whatsoever... like what's the point in growing/buying tomatoes to can
> when canned tomatoes of every variety are so readily available and so
> inexpensively. This year I only planted salad tomatoes, growing
> tomatoes for making sauce from scratch is not worth it... I always end
> up making far more than I can use, requires a tremendous amount of
> time and effort, and all things considered are expensive, growing
> tomatoes is much more expensive than buying canned. I can reasdily
> buy excellent tinned tomatoes at the store to make sauce as I need
> it. I've decided on a policy of only growing produce I eat fresh.
> Growing produce people used to grow to "put up" doesn't make sense
> anymore, nowadays everything people grow to can is available already
> frozen, much better quality, no effort involved, far less costly, and
> no waste and no risk.
>
>
> But don't you get a sense of satisfaction from the stuff you do grow >
> yourself?

Most would. I am not so sure that agribusiness is going to go n all cheap
and nice forever. I am also more concerned about chemicals and pollutants
than some and worried about the levels of pesticides that are doing us and
the bees no good. I don't preserve a lot, but I grow a lot, buy drom
neighbors and preserve what does well.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > Sheldon writes:
>
> > > like what's the point in growing/buying tomatoes to can
> > > when canned tomatoes of every variety are so readily available and so
> > > inexpensively. �
>
> I'm guessing better taste is a big reason

Putting up a huge batch all at once tastes no different from sauce
made from canned as needed, in fact with a huge batch I'm pretty much
stuck with gallons all the same but by making smaller batches
periodically I can alter the recipe to suit as desired.

> along with a certain amount of
> pride in simply being able to and knowing how to. �

Well, that encompasses the part I meant when I said unless it's a
hobby... even when I do make up a huge batch I still wouldn't can, I
prefer to freeze... I have no disire to line up jars to look at, I
have enough hobbies collecting stuff.

I've decided I no longer need to grow ten times more than I can
consume but I still enjoy gardening as a hobby so I'm not giving that
up, I'm simply fine tuning. Vegetable gardening is a lot of labor and
is definitely an expence... anyone thinks they'll save money by
growing their own is in for an awakening because so many, myself
included, tend to grow too much. So unless one finds a market for the
surplus and is desirous of going into the produce business it really
doesn't pay to grow more than you can consume. And everything ripens
at once, this year I composted ten times more lettuce than I could eat
or give away. Right now I'm trying to give away tomatoes as fast as I
can. Can I assume you don't grow your own?

On Aug 28, 6:13�am, "Kswck" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Aug 27, 11:10?am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>
> > ChattyCathy > ?news:g93orm$3e9$1
> > @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>
> > >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> > > Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>
> > Interesting. So far the non-canner types are in the majority in this
> > newsgroup. ?Now if the survey was posted in RFP the results would most
> > probably be the reverse. ?I was a bit surprised but maybe the canners will
> > vote later.
>
> I've done canning but that was a long time ago and didn't think it was
> worth the effort. �Instead I freeze foods... I don't even bother to
> grow many vegetables anymore because buying frozen is easier and they
> are better quality... no more greenbean growing for me, this was my
> last year... large bags of frozen are inexpensive, totally labor free,
> and better/uniform quality. �These days canning is strictly a hobby,
> except for highly specialized recipes has no utilitarian value
> whatsoever... like what's the point in growing/buying tomatoes to can
> when canned tomatoes of every variety are so readily available and so
> inexpensively. �This year I only planted salad tomatoes, growing
> tomatoes for making sauce from scratch is not worth it... I always end
> up making far more than I can use, requires a tremendous amount of
> time and effort, and all things considered are expensive, growing
> tomatoes is much more expensive than buying canned. �I can reasdily
> buy excellent tinned tomatoes at the store to make sauce as I need
> it. �I've decided on a policy of only growing produce I eat fresh..
> Growing produce people used to grow to "put up" doesn't make sense
> anymore, nowadays everything people grow to can is available already
> frozen, much better quality, no effort involved, far less costly, and
> no waste and no risk.
>
> But don't you get a sense of satisfaction from the stuff you do grow
> yourself?

Not when I have to toss it into the composter.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:19:32 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:23 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>
>>> Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>>
>> I've never canned but would like to and plan on doing it sometime in
>> the near future. I spoke here recently about a bunch of berries I
>> have and I want to try something with them. I'd also like to try
>> making dill pickles.
>>
>> Unfortunately right now I'm in the middle of a honey-do week/month and
>> it's going to be awhile before I can spend much time in the kitchen
>> other than throwing a quick dinner together.
>>
>> Painter Lou
>Let me recommend a site for you to consider Lou.
>
>http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/index.html
>
>The National Food Safety site with lots of details on preserving food.
>They even have an on line food preserving course you can take at no
>charge. There is also a good bit of information on the
>rec.food.preserving FAQ site at:
>
>http://rfpfaq.jaclu.com/rfpFAQ.htm
>
>In addition you can read and post on rec.food.preserving and there a
>number of very competent home canners who post there.
>
>Good luck.

Great links George. Thank you.

Lou

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:30:30 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Ron > wrote:
>
>> Since we've been married, my wife and I have never canned anything. We
>> find the fresh and frozen vegetables at the market much easier to
>> manage, and much less work.
>>
>> Ron Kelley
>
>Sure. When Mom was cooking for 13 people every night, she had a huge
>garden and grew, then canned, the vegetables we ate. Store bought was
>seasonal fruit, lugs of peaches and pears to be canned for winter use,
>canned plums, cherries, and raspberries for after-school snacks. Fresh
>fruit was only available in season and I don't know about commercially
>frozen vegetables--we had a big deep freeze that was also put to use.
>This was before the US imported much, if anything, from other countries
>in the way of produce. If I think too much about her life taking care
>of us, I cry. She worked harder than any woman I've known.
>
>There is some effort involved in home preserving but I think it's hard
>to beat good home-canned peaches or pears. :-) I'm glad I know how to
>do it.

Sounds like my grandmother. Very little came from the store. Flour,
sugar, salt, etc. They had cows so she made butter. Beef and pork
came from their own barn. I don't know how many acres they planted
for the market but her personal garden was 5 acres. She grew grapes,
strawberries, currants, corn and many other things. I was to young to
remember much of what was in the commercial fields but I do remember
acres of plum tomatoes and peas because I loved to go out and pick
them off the vine and eat them on the spot.

She's 95 now and lives in a place that serves meals but she still
makes her meals sometimes in her modest kitchen.

Lou

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:33:00 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>
>> I've never canned but would like to and plan on doing it sometime in
>> the near future. I spoke here recently about a bunch of berries I
>> have and I want to try something with them. I'd also like to try
>> making dill pickles.
>
>When you're ready, Lou, by all means check in at rec.food.preserving.
>Knowledgeable and generally congenial contributors there. Or get
>yourself a Ball Blue Book, study the basics, and follow the
>instructions. That's what I did about 35-40 years ago. :-)

I plan on getting the book. I've been lurking over in RFP and saving
all the messages for reference. Someday I'll jump in there.

Thanks,

Lou