On Thu 28 Aug 2008 08:59:52a, cshenk told us...

> "notbob" wrote
>
>> Turns out I don't really have carpel tunnel. It's something else. So,
>> I'll
>> be typing as best I can. OTOH, since several of you are above being
>> bothered by someone with an physical affliction that inconveniences
>> you, please continue to ignore me. You'll not be missed.
>
> notbob, is it affecting your hands and 'like' carpal tunnel but numb
> along thumb and palm below it with possibly first 2 fingers affected on
> the underside and sides? My be affecting just one hand and not the
> other or could be both? On onset shoulder pain and elbow then after
> much time, mostly wrist and elbow with pervasive numbness?
>
> Describe it please. I think I know what it is and you need a spinal MRI
> of the neck and down to mid-shoulders to ID it. It's very very easy to
> mis-diagnose because the symptoms mimic other nerve compression
> problems. Ruling out carpal tunnel is not a bad idea as it's more
> common.

As a result of Type II diabetes, I have a certain degree of neuropathy in
some of my toes and fingers, causing varying degrees of numbness. It's not
bad, and I still have pretty good sensation, but I think it occasionally
causes me to mis-key when I'm typing.

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On Aug 28, 8:23*am, "Ms P" > wrote:
>
> It isn't gibberish! *Want me to translate?
>
> He said "If you look at my past posts, you'll see I have always taken great
> care to be grammatically correct. *I've recently come to the conclusion the
> pain in my right arm is carpal tunnel. *Sorry if my new style inconveniences
> you."
>
> Find a kid to text you on a regular basis and you'll pick it up in no time!
>
Decades ago when I rode public transit as a kid there were ubiquitous
ads for a type of shorthand called, I think, Speedwriting. It went
something like:
"f u cn rd ths, u cn lrn spdwrtg n gt a gd payg jb as a stngrfr."

It seems appropriate somehow to use extreme shortcuts to describe
commercial kitchen work. I've long maintained that the two big
lessons from restaurants are the usefulness of good prep work and the
harmful effects of the need for shortcuts. The reason home cooking
can be superior to restaurants is that you can have the benefits of
the first while being able to avoid the second. It'll be interesting
to see whether his observations bear this out. -aem

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:21 -0400, in rec.food.cooking, Billy wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:02:13 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>I c grt ingreds used 4 fst fd tchnqs. lota saute (sklt) dshes, both ital nd
>>orintl. otoh, bacn wrp sea sclps, huge scampi plates, ny stks, etc. lota
>>grt meals, but room 4 improv. $6k wrth of sprsso eqpt, but no clue of how
>>to use. the eggs beny with holnday mix aproch.
>
>You English will have to improve....don't do ebonics here.

Did you miss where he said he had carpal tunnel syndrome which was why he
was using mobile txt English?
Doug
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On 2008-08-28, aem > wrote:

> "f u cn rd ths, u cn lrn spdwrtg n gt a gd payg jb as a stngrfr."

Perfectly readable to me.

> It seems appropriate somehow to use extreme shortcuts to describe
> commercial kitchen work. I've long maintained that the two big
> lessons from restaurants are the usefulness of good prep work and the
> harmful effects of the need for shortcuts. The reason home cooking
> can be superior to restaurants is that you can have the benefits of
> the first while being able to avoid the second. It'll be interesting
> to see whether his observations bear this out. -aem

I've seen some, already. Most of the food here entails extensive prep work,
as it is mostly flash cooking on the fly. For example, stuff like pasta,
chicken, and shrimp are pre-cooked, cut, and portioned in readiness for
flash saute (stir-fry, if you prefer) skillet dishes, which make up most of
the menu. Same with all the veggies, etc, that go into the food. But, none
of this is low quality food. The best portabela mushrooms and fresh red
bell and pablano chiles, etc, are prepped for immediate use. NY steaks
are cut in house as needed. Fresh soups are made each morning.

There are a few corners cut. The Thai fusion stuff relies heavily on Mae
Ploy canned goods, both for dipping sauces and red curry paste. But, we
roll our own springrolls. They also use a canned hollandaise (??) for Sun
brunch. I'll try and change that. It's a very specilized menu, one that
is geared to the way the restaurant physically evolved, but it works well
and business is good and consistent. It's also not cheap, but an order of
peel-n-eat shrip is over a lb of shrimp. A burger is 1/2lb of buffalo. All
portions are huge. None of that scimpy vertical stacked silliness, here. It's
not cooking at the CIA, but it is cooking and it's good food. I learn
something every day.

nb

Sqwertz wrote:
> notbob > wrote:
>
>> Where to start? OK, I've just taken a job at a restaurant.
>
> Se habla espanol?
>
> Most kitchens around here you wouldn't survive unless you spoke
> Mexican.
>
> Gringo.
>
> -sw

It is that way in my little corner of Louisiana. One lady who manages a
restaurant is from Vietnam, she speaks to us in English and to the
kitchen workers in Spanish.

Becca

On 2008-08-28, Goomba > wrote:

> I'm fascinated! How do they pre-cook this stuff, and then how is it
> stored for later finishing off cooking? Is it pre-cooked that day or
> another?

Another surprise. All bacon and chicken breasts (for salads, stir-fry) are
cooked on sheet pans and put in an upright oven designed specifically for
holding sheet pans. The oven is like an upright refrigerator, except it has glass
doors and is an oven. Who knew!? We also bake our own quiches and other
goodies. Other desserts, like cheesecake, are pre-fab from a vendor.

http://tinyurl.com/6mw8aw

After baking till done, baked goods like chicken are removed and the ckicken
is sliced into salad size and portioned and bacon is put on line in "food
pans", pans of a myriad of shapes and sizes for holding everything from oil
to cooked beef, both hot and cold, but mostly cold. When I say "portioned",
I mean bagged in simple baggies of 4/6/8 ozs, etc, and put in rows in these
food pans to grab and throw in pan or whatever.

Everything is put in these "food pans". Freshly sliced tomatoes and onions
to cooked chicken and shrimp. They are labeled and dated when prepped and
held in a huge "walk-in" refrigerator. Most of the food is fresh within
2-4 days, but occasionally a stray creeps under the radar. We recently
tossed a bad pan of scallops. But, overall, I have to say the ppl here are
proud to be cooks and will not tolerate bad food on the line.

More later........

nb






> Will you be able to add new items to the menu? Is it locally owned so
> that the owner is receptive to ideas?
> I look forward to learning more. Don't quit!!

"notbob" > wrote in message
...

> Another surprise. All bacon and chicken breasts (for salads, stir-fry)
> are
> cooked on sheet pans and put in an upright oven designed specifically for
> holding sheet pans. The oven is like an upright refrigerator, except it
> has glass
> doors and is an oven. Who knew!? We also bake our own quiches and other
> goodies. Other desserts, like cheesecake, are pre-fab from a vendor.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6mw8aw
>
> After baking till done, baked goods like chicken are removed and the
> ckicken
> is sliced into salad size and portioned and bacon is put on line in "food
> pans", pans of a myriad of shapes and sizes for holding everything from
> oil
> to cooked beef, both hot and cold, but mostly cold. When I say
> "portioned",
> I mean bagged in simple baggies of 4/6/8 ozs, etc, and put in rows in
> these
> food pans to grab and throw in pan or whatever.
>
> Everything is put in these "food pans". Freshly sliced tomatoes and
> onions
> to cooked chicken and shrimp. They are labeled and dated when prepped and
> held in a huge "walk-in" refrigerator. Most of the food is fresh within
> 2-4 days, but occasionally a stray creeps under the radar. We recently
> tossed a bad pan of scallops. But, overall, I have to say the ppl here
> are
> proud to be cooks and will not tolerate bad food on the line.
>

Years and years and years ago I was a night manager in a sub shop. Not like
a Subway, but more like a Mom and Pop shop that had homemade soup and
specials, but the main items were subs at lunch and breakfast quickies for
the local working class, and a greasy pre-hangover meal. I learned a lot
there but one thing I hated was that as a manager it was MY job to clean the
grease fryer because they couldn't trust the regular employees to do it
right and it was a hot item with the health department. It was one of the
nastiest jobs I've ever had to do. I really liked the fast pace of lunch
hours before I became night manager, and some of the customers late at night
were very interesting when the bars closed.

"Cheryl" > fnord:

> I learned a lot there but one thing I hated was that as a manager it
> was MY job to clean the grease fryer because they couldn't trust the
> regular employees to do it right and it was a hot item with the health
> department. It was one of the nastiest jobs I've ever had to do.
>
>

Ugh, I agree. I hope I never have to do that again

--
Saerah

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On 2008-08-29, Saerah Gray > wrote:
> "Cheryl" > fnord:
>
>> I learned a lot there but one thing I hated was that as a manager it
>> was MY job to clean the grease fryer because they couldn't trust the
>> regular employees to do it right and it was a hot item with the health
>> department. It was one of the nastiest jobs I've ever had to do.
>>
>>
>
> Ugh, I agree. I hope I never have to do that again

A sore spot with me, here.

We don't do much deep fry. Only the occasional home fries. But, when they
are going, like at lunch, they need to be done and we don't have a serious
deep fryer. We have a double table top model that holds about 2 gals oil
per side. Neither is enough to hold heat if more than 2 orders are dumped
in. On the good side, nothing is held under heat lamps. It's cooked and
out or dumped.

nb

notbob > wrote:

> On 2008-08-28, Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>> Most kitchens around here you wouldn't survive unless you spoke
>> Mexican.
>
> The area I live in is so white..... wow, no cliche joke for that one.

Weren't you just 'bragging' the other day about how many Mexicans
you have in Livermore? Specifically, that it's "half-mexican?"

Message-ID: >

Or do we have two notbobs, one with multiple personality disorder?

-sw

On 2008-08-29, Sqwertz > wrote:

> Weren't you just 'bragging' the other day about how many Mexicans
> you have in Livermore? Specifically, that it's "half-mexican?"

???

I haven't lived in Livermore since last Oct. C'mon Steve, get it together!


nb

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:15:39 -0400, "cshenk" > wrote:

>
>"notbob"
>
>> Turns out I don't really have carpel tunnel. It's something else. So,
>> I'll
>> be typing as best I can.
>
>I have a bad habit of over deleting by accident so if you reply to me and
>dont get an answer, I messed up. My email is not grunged though and if you
>want to email me, feel free!
>
I'd like to know the beginning of this too. It was either buried in
another thread, I never got the OP or it was chat related.

I have a bad elbow right now. It only hurts if I barely touch
anything (clothing doesn't bother it). I'm not sure if I should see a
Dr. or just let it heal.


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cshenk wrote:
> "Ms P" wrote
>
>>>> if u look at my past posts, u'll c I hav alwys taken grt care 2 b
>>>> grmatcly
>>>> crrct. I've recently *** to the conclusn the pain in my rt arm is
>>>> carpl tunl.
>
>> He said "If you look at my past posts, you'll see I have always taken
>> great care to be grammatically correct. I've recently come to the
>> conclusion the pain in my right arm is carpal tunnel. Sorry if my
>> new style inconveniences you."
>
> Snicker yes, and sudden onset of carpal tunnel isnt how it works. There
> are other things with rapid onset (treatable, not talking
> cancer etc) that can be percieved by many as carpal tunnel. I was
> treated for carpal tunnel and tested several times (no surgery). It
> was not carpal tunnel at all. Sadly it took them 6 years to get me
> to a spinal doc who tagged it from the symptoms before the MRI was
> even back.

I love nb (thanks for the chat yesterday!) but carpal tunnel is no excuse
for "txt-talk". Hell, I did my job with carpal tunnel for years. And it
required a lot of heavy, fast typing. BTW, his typing in chat last night
wasn't txt speak.

Jill

On 2008-08-29, jmcquown > wrote:

> I love nb (thanks for the chat yesterday!) but carpal tunnel is no excuse
> for "txt-talk". Hell, I did my job with carpal tunnel for years. And it
> required a lot of heavy, fast typing. BTW, his typing in chat last night
> wasn't txt speak.

It appears I'm not so afflicted, after all.

nb

<sf> wrote
> "cshenk" wrote:

>> Turns out I don't really have carpel tunnel. It's something else. So,
>>> I'll
>>> be typing as best I can.
>>
> I'd like to know the beginning of this too. It was either buried in
> another thread, I never got the OP or it was chat related.

Yes, other thread. nb thought he had carpal tunnel but now seems to have
ruled it out. CT is not all that uncommon, but once ruled out, can be very
perplexing for causation.

> I have a bad elbow right now. It only hurts if I barely touch
> anything (clothing doesn't bother it). I'm not sure if I should see a
> Dr. or just let it heal.

Well, long as you know I'm not a Doc! Not even a nurse! Is it like the
Funny Bone seems a little (or alot) too sensitive? Any pain from elbow to
wrist (or at wrist, dull constant throb, some numbness possibly in fingers),
or elbow to shoulder?

This could (once CT is ruled out) be a pinched nerve which is what CT is
anyways. Just not pinched at the wrist but above it. Classic spots to have
a pinched nerve a at wrist (carpal tunnel narrows and pinches nerves to
fingers, normally outer ones but can affect more); Elbow (may or may not
affect hand, if it does I believe it's supposed to cause a general tingling
and overall numbness but you'd need to run that by a Doc to find out);
shoulder (only person I know with that had elbow pain with it and random
tingles and finger spasms). Here's the good news, often it will in time
just go away. Here's the bad news, needs to be seen by a Doc fast if it
gets worse, or is a repeat after getting better, or doesnt show obvious
signs of getting better within a few weeks.

For non-surgical treatment of lighter cases, it's often a supportive brace
worn at night or with CT, may be daytime as well if xrays dont show any
serious narrowing of the tunnel. CT can be very easy to mis-diagnose as it
can be a pinch at the wrist which as the nerves heal, cause pain to travel
up (elbow, possibly shoulder).

Once CT is ruled out, if there is shoulder and elbow involvement, a spinal
specialist is indicated with an MRI (thats the tubelike thing that buzzes
and takes a bit of time to do it). I had to have the full series due to
apparent herniated lower back disc. Because of the arm/shoulder/number
twitchy fingers they'd been chasing with no success for 6 years, they did
the full spinal to check from tailbone to base of skull. Low and behold,
the whole arm issue was a herniation at the neck disc sets with narrowing of
spine there (not radical but was noticed even by a junior xray tech who of
course didnt discuss it, just looked at me sadly and said to wait for the
doc to read'em). Got 2 bad ones in the lower back too. Identified early,
lots of options but this isnt one you want to get overtly surgical about at
the start. Lots of other treatments first.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:43:29 -0400, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Well, long as you know I'm not a Doc! Not even a nurse! Is it like the
>Funny Bone seems a little (or alot) too sensitive? Any pain from elbow to
>wrist (or at wrist, dull constant throb, some numbness possibly in fingers),
>or elbow to shoulder?

Not really. Sometimes my wrist and hand feels weird, but nothing I get
worried about.
>
>This could (once CT is ruled out) be a pinched nerve which is what CT is
>anyways. Just not pinched at the wrist but above it. Classic spots to have
>a pinched nerve a at wrist (carpal tunnel narrows and pinches nerves to
>fingers, normally outer ones but can affect more); Elbow (may or may not
>affect hand, if it does I believe it's supposed to cause a general tingling
>and overall numbness but you'd need to run that by a Doc to find out);
>shoulder (only person I know with that had elbow pain with it and random
>tingles and finger spasms). Here's the good news, often it will in time
>just go away. Here's the bad news, needs to be seen by a Doc fast if it
>gets worse, or is a repeat after getting better, or doesnt show obvious
>signs of getting better within a few weeks.

You know, it *could* be a pinched nerve! I'm already taking meds for
a pinched nerve in my shoulder (same side). Hubby said with all the
boxes I've packed and moved around this summer, I could have injured
something. Maybe he's right.
>
>For non-surgical treatment of lighter cases, it's often a supportive brace
>worn at night or with CT, may be daytime as well if xrays dont show any
>serious narrowing of the tunnel. CT can be very easy to mis-diagnose as it
>can be a pinch at the wrist which as the nerves heal, cause pain to travel
>up (elbow, possibly shoulder).

I should email my Dr. The funny thing is I can't make it hurt by
touch, which is what they do. It's only when I bump a certain part of
my elbow against something hard and then it's a sharp pain. I've been
very careful not to lift anything remotely heavy for the past few days
and it seems to be getting better today. I'll see how it goes after
this weekend.

<snipped for brevity>

Thanks for the input!


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Mae West

On Fri 29 Aug 2008 09:02:14p, told us...

> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:43:29 -0400, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Well, long as you know I'm not a Doc! Not even a nurse! Is it like the
>>Funny Bone seems a little (or alot) too sensitive? Any pain from elbow
>>to wrist (or at wrist, dull constant throb, some numbness possibly in
>>fingers), or elbow to shoulder?
>
> Not really. Sometimes my wrist and hand feels weird, but nothing I get
> worried about.
>>
>>This could (once CT is ruled out) be a pinched nerve which is what CT is
>>anyways. Just not pinched at the wrist but above it. Classic spots to
>>have a pinched nerve a at wrist (carpal tunnel narrows and pinches
>>nerves to fingers, normally outer ones but can affect more); Elbow (may
>>or may not affect hand, if it does I believe it's supposed to cause a
>>general tingling and overall numbness but you'd need to run that by a
>>Doc to find out); shoulder (only person I know with that had elbow pain
>>with it and random tingles and finger spasms). Here's the good news,
>>often it will in time just go away. Here's the bad news, needs to be
>>seen by a Doc fast if it gets worse, or is a repeat after getting
>>better, or doesnt show obvious signs of getting better within a few
>>weeks.
>
> You know, it *could* be a pinched nerve! I'm already taking meds for
> a pinched nerve in my shoulder (same side). Hubby said with all the
> boxes I've packed and moved around this summer, I could have injured
> something. Maybe he's right.
>>
>>For non-surgical treatment of lighter cases, it's often a supportive
>>brace worn at night or with CT, may be daytime as well if xrays dont
>>show any serious narrowing of the tunnel. CT can be very easy to
>>mis-diagnose as it can be a pinch at the wrist which as the nerves heal,
>>cause pain to travel up (elbow, possibly shoulder).
>
> I should email my Dr. The funny thing is I can't make it hurt by
> touch, which is what they do. It's only when I bump a certain part of
> my elbow against something hard and then it's a sharp pain. I've been
> very careful not to lift anything remotely heavy for the past few days
> and it seems to be getting better today. I'll see how it goes after
> this weekend.
>
> <snipped for brevity>
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>

Also, try not sleeping on that side for a few days.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:09:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>
>Also, try not sleeping on that side for a few days.

Easier said than done, but thanks for the advice!




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I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Fri 29 Aug 2008 09:23:49p, told us...

> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:09:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Also, try not sleeping on that side for a few days.
>
> Easier said than done, but thanks for the advice!
>
>
>
>

I know, but I speak from experience. I had a shoulder injury that damaged
some nerves to my hand. It was on the side I normally slept on at the
time. I had to force myself to reverse my position, and support the
injured arm as comfortably as possible on top of a pillow. Meanwhile I was
having adjustments from a chiropracter. The changed sleeping position
really worked to my benefit, although even years later I still have a
slight numbness in my thumb and forefinger.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:37:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Fri 29 Aug 2008 09:23:49p, told us...
>
>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:09:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Also, try not sleeping on that side for a few days.
>>
>> Easier said than done, but thanks for the advice!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>I know, but I speak from experience. I had a shoulder injury that damaged
>some nerves to my hand. It was on the side I normally slept on at the
>time. I had to force myself to reverse my position, and support the
>injured arm as comfortably as possible on top of a pillow.

I've been doing that for my shoulder, but I still have to roll over.
I just can't stay on one side all night long!

>Meanwhile I was
>having adjustments from a chiropracter. The changed sleeping position
>really worked to my benefit, although even years later I still have a
>slight numbness in my thumb and forefinger.

Yeah, at least my shoulder doesn't wake me up when I roll over on
it... but I always have a dull pain there.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

<sf> wrote

>>Well, long as you know I'm not a Doc! Not even a nurse! Is it like the
>>Funny Bone seems a little (or alot) too sensitive? Any pain from elbow to
>>wrist (or at wrist, dull constant throb, some numbness possibly in
>>fingers),
>>or elbow to shoulder?
>
> Not really. Sometimes my wrist and hand feels weird, but nothing I get
> worried about.

>>anyways. Just not pinched at the wrist but above it. Classic spots to
>>have
>>a pinched nerve a at wrist (carpal tunnel narrows and pinches nerves
>>to
>>fingers, normally outer ones but can affect more); Elbow (may or may not
>>affect hand, if it does I believe it's supposed to cause a general
>>tingling
>>and overall numbness but you'd need to run that by a Doc to find out);
>>shoulder (only person I know with that had elbow pain with it and random
>>tingles and finger spasms). Here's the good news, often it will in time

> You know, it *could* be a pinched nerve! I'm already taking meds for
> a pinched nerve in my shoulder (same side). Hubby said with all the
> boxes I've packed and moved around this summer, I could have injured
> something. Maybe he's right.

That would definately cause the elbow to be sensitive as well. Normal, and
as long as it seems to be healing with the shoulder, just a part of the
shoulder pinch. Now, if it gets worse suddenly, you'd want to see a doc who
specializes in such injuries. A GP will not cut it for this one (no slam on
them, but it's not common for them to know such. Look for a sports medicine
doc if cant get a spinal specialist).

Dont worry too much, these things usually heal up fine but are slow to heal.
Only worry if they do not heal or get worse. If you start develping a
stiff neck and pain at neck or just above the shoulder blades, get it
tested. It can act like you are describing but is *not* as common as a
normal shoulder pinch (means pinch is actually at the cerical column vice in
the shoulder).

When mine goes out, feels like someone embedded glass in the joint of my
shoulder and serious pain under the collar bone. Mines caused by a
herniated disc at the neck. More serious but can be lived with well once
used to what 'not to do'.

> I should email my Dr. The funny thing is I can't make it hurt by
> touch, which is what they do. It's only when I bump a certain part of
> my elbow against something hard and then it's a sharp pain. I've been
> very careful not to lift anything remotely heavy for the past few days
> and it seems to be getting better today. I'll see how it goes after
> this weekend.

Good! Lifting though worries me. If lifting sets it off, may not be in the
shoulder. Dont worry, a good chiro can often fix a milder (caught early)
spinal situation if that is what it is.

I know what you mean about the elbow, but I know just where to touch it hard
and make me howl. Heheh even a spot that pressed makes my finger twitch
like a mad-man dancing. Go for just above the elbow on the inner back side.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
> > sf wrote:
>
> > You know, it *could* be a pinched nerve! �I'm already taking meds for
> > a pinched nerve in my shoulder (same side).
>
> � When I had that �my doc gave me a course of acupuncture.. In my ear :-)
> �When the needles went �in, instant, magic pain relief �


Yeah, right... and a needle in your eyeball will make hemorrhoidal
pain go bye bye.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:04:00 +0100, Janet Baraclough
> wrote:

>The message >
>from sf contains these words:
>
>> You know, it *could* be a pinched nerve! I'm already taking meds for
>> a pinched nerve in my shoulder (same side).
>
> When I had that my doc gave me a course of acupuncture. In my ear :-)
> When the needles went in, instant, magic pain relief like a switch
>being turned off. On the first session the pain relief lasted only a few
>hours, but with successive treatments the pain relief lasts longer each
>time. After 6 treatments I was pain free and had full arm mobility
>again.
>
Wow! That's amazing! It's also amazing that your Western Dr. knows
Eastern medicine. How'd you luck into such a combo?



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Mae West

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:02:14 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:43:29 -0400, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Well, long as you know I'm not a Doc! Not even a nurse! Is it like the
>>Funny Bone seems a little (or alot) too sensitive? Any pain from elbow to
>>wrist (or at wrist, dull constant throb, some numbness possibly in fingers),
>>or elbow to shoulder?
>
> Not really. Sometimes my wrist and hand feels weird, but nothing I get
> worried about.
>>
>>This could (once CT is ruled out) be a pinched nerve which is what CT is
>>anyways. Just not pinched at the wrist but above it. Classic spots to have
>>a pinched nerve a at wrist (carpal tunnel narrows and pinches nerves to
>>fingers, normally outer ones but can affect more); Elbow (may or may not
>>affect hand, if it does I believe it's supposed to cause a general tingling
>>and overall numbness but you'd need to run that by a Doc to find out);
>>shoulder (only person I know with that had elbow pain with it and random
>>tingles and finger spasms). Here's the good news, often it will in time
>>just go away. Here's the bad news, needs to be seen by a Doc fast if it
>>gets worse, or is a repeat after getting better, or doesnt show obvious
>>signs of getting better within a few weeks.
>
> You know, it *could* be a pinched nerve! I'm already taking meds for
> a pinched nerve in my shoulder (same side). Hubby said with all the
> boxes I've packed and moved around this summer, I could have injured
> something. Maybe he's right.

i had a pinched nerve in my shoulder that sometimes produced numbness of
the little and ring fingers and thumb, and upper arm pain.

your pal,
blake

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> Where to start? OK, I've just taken a job at a restaurant. I've talked
> the
> talk and now need to walk... yada. Despite being in a cooking school 35+
> yrs ago, I decided then cooking was not a prof I wanted to persue. Now,
> things are diff. In this area, cooking is a job to be counted on. So....
>
> Started about 10 days ago, as a dishwasher. Jes got promoted to prep cook
> yesterday. I see things that are an eye opener. Some good, some not so.
> A
> pretty good restaurant, but.....
>
> I will be reporting on the life and times of a geezer foodie taking up the
> career of an aspiring cook-to-be. Should be interesting. Also, this is
> the last time I will be typing like a kid. Discovered I have carpel
> tunnel
> yada, so will be going into afflicted cel fon txt mod.
>
> Luv U al!
> nb

Congratulations - I hope you find the sense of accomplishment you are
looking for.

In a recent promo or episode of No reservations the host explained cooking
and learning to cook is and always has been a one on one tutelage. i.e. one
chef teaching another.

I hope you work for someone you admire and can learn form.

Dimitri

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2008-08-27, Sheldon > wrote:
>
>> Inquiring minds need to know, what kind of joint?
>
> Shel..
>
> supsdly, best in twn, but......
>
> I c grt ingreds used 4 fst fd tchnqs. lota saute (sklt) dshes, both ital
> nd
> orintl. otoh, bacn wrp sea sclps, huge scampi plates, ny stks, etc. lota
> grt meals, but room 4 improv. $6k wrth of sprsso eqpt, but no clue of how
> to use. the eggs beny with holnday mix aproch.
>
> nb

Answering from a phone? texting on a break?

TTYL.

Dimitri

Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message >
> from sf contains these words:
>
>
>>You know, it *could* be a pinched nerve! I'm already taking meds for
>>a pinched nerve in my shoulder (same side).
>
>
> When I had that my doc gave me a course of acupuncture. In my ear :-)
> When the needles went in, instant, magic pain relief like a switch
> being turned off. On the first session the pain relief lasted only a few
> hours, but with successive treatments the pain relief lasts longer each
> time. After 6 treatments I was pain free and had full arm mobility
> again.


I was treated with acupuncture for intractable back pain subsequent to a
car accident. Needles were inserted into my back, arms and ears. It
gave very good immediate relief but the benefits were temporary, lasting
at most 3 hours. Repeated sessions helped but never lasted. After
maybe 7 or 8 treatments I gave up on it. My experience with
chiropractic treatment went pretty much the same way.

However, my teenaged daughter has TMJ which developed after her impacted
wisdom teeth were removed in preparation for orthodontic work.
Treatment by a chiropractor was the only thing that gave her any relief.
When she experiences a reoccurrence of symptoms I make her an
appointment and the chiro is able to give her good relief that is not
only immediate but lasting.

A year ago this weekend DD received amateur acupuncture treatment. She
was down in Clinton, Arkansas for the chuckwagon races and had a sudden
flare of TMJ symptoms, probably due to excitement and tension (she's a
clencher). Her jaw locked up. She could open her mouth wide enough to
drink from a straw but solid food was out of the question.

DD was watching the races with the paramedics stationed there to provide
immediate medical attention in the event of an accident, and mentioned
her problem. One of the medics piped up, saying that he had a horse
with the same trouble. Called it "cold jaw" - muscle spasm restricting
opening of the mouth. It's actually a good deal more serious in a horse
than in a human because you generally can't convince a horse to drink
from a straw.

Given that the massive doses of ibuprofen she'd taken hadn't helped at
all, and with the three day weekend looming ahead of her, she let him
apply the treatment that always worked for his horse.

He washed his hands, cleaned the skin in front of her ears with an
alcohol wipe, unwrapped a sterile IV needle. Felt for the hinge of her
jaw and went tap tap tap POINK. Grabbed her chin, tilted her head and
repeated the procedure on the opposite side.

DD said the relief was immediate and complete. Full range of motion, no
pain. I was appalled but it's hard to argue with success. I had
expected our family doctor to disapprove but she was fascinated, made
notes and said, basically, whatever works is good.

On Sat 30 Aug 2008 04:15:52p, Janet Baraclough told us...

> The message >
> from Kathleen > contains these words:
>
> One of the medics piped up, saying that he had a horse
>> with the same trouble. Called it "cold jaw" - muscle spasm restricting
>> opening of the mouth. It's actually a good deal more serious in a horse
>> than in a human because you generally can't convince a horse to drink
>> from a straw.
>
>> Given that the massive doses of ibuprofen she'd taken hadn't helped at
>> all, and with the three day weekend looming ahead of her, she let him
>> apply the treatment that always worked for his horse.
>
>> He washed his hands, cleaned the skin in front of her ears with an
>> alcohol wipe, unwrapped a sterile IV needle. Felt for the hinge of her
>> jaw and went tap tap tap POINK. Grabbed her chin, tilted her head and
>> repeated the procedure on the opposite side.
>
>> DD said the relief was immediate and complete. Full range of motion, no
>> pain. I was appalled but it's hard to argue with success. I had
>> expected our family doctor to disapprove but she was fascinated, made
>> notes and said, basically, whatever works is good.
>
> What convinced me to try acupuncture myself , was the amazing result
> our vet had treating our very arthritic old dog with it. (Conventional
> meds were no longer working). This was a dog who hated needles and was a
> real wimp at the vet anyway, so I was sceptical he would accept
> acupuncture needles or that it would work, but the vet said he'd had a
> lot of success using it for animal pain relief and his own after rugby
> injuries. The dog went in a stiff sore limping old dog, as soon as the
> first needle went in he relaxed; then with 24 needles in pairs down his
> spine he sat there grinning and wagging completely blissed out for 20
> mins (no sedation or restraint). It triggers a big endorphin rush. Right
> away he could happily run about like an energetic young dog again; I
> got him topped up once a month or so when he started to stiffen up
> again. It completely transformed his quality of life.
>
> Janet
>

Maybe I should go to your vet. :-)

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:54:45 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote:

>
> It's not all that unusual among Drs in the British National Health
> Service (mine also offers Homeopathy)

That's pure quackery!
Graham

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:26:27 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message >
> from Graham > contains these words:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:54:45 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It's not all that unusual among Drs in the British National Health
>>> Service (mine also offers Homeopathy)
>
>> That's pure quackery!
>
> The Royal family, who have access to the finest medical expertise the
> world can offer, choose homeopathy.

Oh, come on!! That bunch of intellectual light-weights?



>I've seen the positive, permanent
> results in seriously ill patients who have already tried the full gamut
> of conventional medical treatment and been written off as incurable.


Placebo effect!
>
>In
> the NHS we have had specialist Homeopathic hospitals for 50 years,
> staffed only by fully qualified doctors and nurses who are also
> hospital-trained in homeopathy.

That's an appaling waste of resources!!!!!


Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital is one of
> the Glasgow University Hospitals group, world famous for medical
> expertise, research and training. (That's where my GP did her homeopathy
> training and qualification.)
>
> http://www.adhom.com/adh_download/EV....0_Sept_06.pdf
>
> Janet

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ics/homeo.html

Graham

"Janet Baraclough" wrote

>> > When I had that my doc gave me a course of acupuncture. In my ear :-)
>> > When the needles went in, instant, magic pain relief like a switch

Something about 'sympathetic nerves' and stimulating them. I'm suprized it
was the ear though for that.

>> Wow! That's amazing! It's also amazing that your Western Dr. knows
>> Eastern medicine. How'd you luck into such a combo?
>
> It's not all that unusual among Drs in the British National Health
> Service (mine also offers Homeopathy) Complementary therapies are also
> used at many hospitals here.

And here. My Chiro comes from Malasia.

"Graham" wrote

>> It's not all that unusual among Drs in the British National Health
>> Service (mine also offers Homeopathy)
>
> That's pure quackery!

Naw, though some 'fly by night' acupunture folks are. It's proven to be
effective at pain control in lesser situations.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:17:46 -0400, cshenk wrote:

> "Graham" wrote
>
>>> It's not all that unusual among Drs in the British National Health
>>> Service (mine also offers Homeopathy)
>>
>> That's pure quackery!
>
> Naw, though some 'fly by night' acupunture folks are. It's proven to be
> effective at pain control in lesser situations.

I was referring to homeopathy.

"Graham" wrote
> cshenk wrote:

>>>> It's not all that unusual among Drs in the British National Health
>>>> Service (mine also offers Homeopathy)
>>>
>>> That's pure quackery!
>>
>> Naw, though some 'fly by night' acupunture folks are. It's proven to be
>> effective at pain control in lesser situations.
>
> I was referring to homeopathy.

Ah sorry, missed that since it seemed a sidebar to her post (in parens).
Dunno much about that one, except some of it may be based in 'placebo
effect' which can be somewhat effective in making you feel better if you
believe in it. Not to be used for clearly medical things though like
appendicitus!

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> notbob > wrote:
>
> > On 2008-08-28, Sqwertz > wrote:
> >
> >> Most kitchens around here you wouldn't survive unless you spoke
> >> Mexican.
> >
> > The area I live in is so white..... wow, no cliche joke for that one.
>
> Weren't you just 'bragging' the other day about how many Mexicans
> you have in Livermore? Specifically, that it's "half-mexican?"
>
> Message-ID: >
>
> Or do we have two notbobs, one with multiple personality disorder?
>
> -sw

He's moved to Colorado, I think.
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In article >,
"Dimitri" > wrote:

> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2008-08-27, Sheldon > wrote:
> >
> >> Inquiring minds need to know, what kind of joint?
> >
> > Shel..
> >
> > supsdly, best in twn, but......
> >
> > I c grt ingreds used 4 fst fd tchnqs. lota saute (sklt) dshes, both ital
> > nd
> > orintl. otoh, bacn wrp sea sclps, huge scampi plates, ny stks, etc. lota
> > grt meals, but room 4 improv. $6k wrth of sprsso eqpt, but no clue of how
> > to use. the eggs beny with holnday mix aproch.
> >
> > nb
>
> Answering from a phone? texting on a break?
>
> TTYL.
>
> Dimitri


Carpal tunnel syndrome. Shortcuts. Pay attention! "-)
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most recently updated last night, 8-17-2008. Fair entries are DONE!

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> notbob > wrote:
>
> > On 2008-08-27, Sheldon > wrote:
> >
> >> Inquiring minds need to know, what kind of joint?
> >
> > Shel..
> >
> > supsdly, best in twn, but......
> >
> > I c grt ingreds used 4 fst fd tchnqs. lota saute (sklt) dshes, both ital nd
> > orintl. otoh, bacn wrp sea sclps, huge scampi plates, ny stks, etc. lota
> > grt meals, but room 4 improv. $6k wrth of sprsso eqpt, but no clue of how
> > to use. the eggs beny with holnday mix aproch.
>
> I'll miss you, nb. But I will not read posts like this. I've
> actually killfiled a girl at work because she writes email like
> this.
>
> -sw


He's trying to conserve motion -- carpal tunnel syndrome is what he
reported. From his OP: "I will be reporting on the life and times of
a geezer foodie taking up the career of an aspiring cook-to-be. Should
be interesting. Also, this is the last time I will be typing like a
kid. Discovered I have carpel tunnel yada, so will be going into
afflicted cel fon txt mod."

I hope you'll cut him some slack.
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most recently updated last night, 8-17-2008. Fair entries are DONE!

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:15:52 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
> What convinced me to try acupuncture myself , was the amazing result
> our vet had treating our very arthritic old dog with it. (Conventional
> meds were no longer working). This was a dog who hated needles and was a
> real wimp at the vet anyway, so I was sceptical he would accept
> acupuncture needles or that it would work, but the vet said he'd had a
> lot of success using it for animal pain relief and his own after rugby
> injuries. The dog went in a stiff sore limping old dog, as soon as the
> first needle went in he relaxed; then with 24 needles in pairs down his
> spine he sat there grinning and wagging completely blissed out for 20
> mins (no sedation or restraint). It triggers a big endorphin rush. Right
> away he could happily run about like an energetic young dog again; I
> got him topped up once a month or so when he started to stiffen up
> again. It completely transformed his quality of life.
>
> Janet

that's very interesting, i had never heard of acupuncture for dogs. maybe
you can even discount any possible placebo effect.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:17:46 -0400, cshenk wrote:

> "Graham" wrote
>
>>> It's not all that unusual among Drs in the British National Health
>>> Service (mine also offers Homeopathy)
>>
>> That's pure quackery!
>
> Naw, though some 'fly by night' acupunture folks are. It's proven to be
> effective at pain control in lesser situations.

i'm not a fan of 'alternative' medicine, but if it gives a good result...

i did know one vietnamese guy who found it enormously helpful in quitting
smoking, of all things.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:36:46 GMT, Graham wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:17:46 -0400, cshenk wrote:
>
>> "Graham" wrote
>>
>>>> It's not all that unusual among Drs in the British National Health
>>>> Service (mine also offers Homeopathy)
>>>
>>> That's pure quackery!
>>
>> Naw, though some 'fly by night' acupunture folks are. It's proven to be
>> effective at pain control in lesser situations.
>
> I was referring to homeopathy.

i do think acupuncture is on a whole different plane than that, or even
chiropractic. with homeopathy you get into a whole lot of woo-woo about
the water 'remembering' molecular structure and whatnot.

your pal,
blake