In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
a link to www.HFCSfacts.com

They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!

Jill

jmcquown > wrote:

> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
> made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
> a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
>
> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!

Supposedly any corn not used for HFCS can be used for ethanol
production and bring in the same price, or more.

This is probably just a cover for ADM and Big Soda, not the corn
farmers producers themselves.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:
> jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards
>> warding off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in
>> foods. I finally made note of the URL:
>> http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's a link to
>> www.HFCSfacts.com
>>
>> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of
>> HFCS since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
>
> Supposedly any corn not used for HFCS can be used for ethanol
> production and bring in the same price, or more.
>
> This is probably just a cover for ADM and Big Soda, not the corn
> farmers producers themselves.
>
> -sw

You can read into it: corn lobbyists.

I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
else I wanted to add it to. I don't drink soda pop (Coca Cola, Sprite,
yada, yada). And I don't care to drink ethanol, even though it could be
construed as "corn squeezin's".

Jill

On Sep 6, 3:05*pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. *I finally
> made note of the URL: *http://www.sweetsurprise.com/*From that site there's
> a link towww.HFCSfacts.com
>
> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
>
Fight back? Against what? They have never ever before made as much
as they're making right now. Who should be fighting back are those
who want them to grow corn to eat, not to be made into HFCS and not to
be made into ethanol. -aem

aem wrote:
>
> On Sep 6, 3:05 pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> > In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
> > off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
> > made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
> > a link towww.HFCSfacts.com
> >
> > They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> > since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
> >
> Fight back? Against what? They have never ever before made as much
> as they're making right now. Who should be fighting back are those
> who want them to grow corn to eat, not to be made into HFCS and not to
> be made into ethanol. -aem

It's sugar price supports which make U.S. sugar
2X to 4X the world price. We would not have a domestic
beet sugar industry without these price supports,
and only a small cane sugar industry (mostly in P.R.).

Sugar price supports have decimated the U.S. candy
industry, with most of it moving to Canada and Mexico.

You can't use HFCS to make most forms of candy, because
it doesn't easily set up into a solid, unlike sucrose.
However, HFCS is perfectly adaptable to liquid products
like soda, so we have this weird situation in which
sucrose is price-controlled at very high prices, but
a new product (HFCS) makes an end-run around the price
controls for the big cola companies. You have major
interests supporting the continuation of price supports,
and then other interests which support the loophole.

Who gets screwed is the U.S. small- to mid-size candy
manufacturers, and all U.S. candy manufacturers are
small- to mid-size manufacturers compared to the cola
companies.

"jmcquown" > wrote in
:

> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making
> peanut brittle. I cannot think of anything else I purposely
> purchased it for nor anything else I wanted to add it to.

corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
a lab.
lee

--
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I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
>I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
>else I wanted to add it to.

I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
cane sugar.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC), enigma >
wrote:

> corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
>as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
>a lab.

Thanks! Many of us didn't know that.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC), enigma >
> wrote:
>
>> corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
>>as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
>>a lab.
>
> Thanks! Many of us didn't know that.
>

I've seen those ads, too, that Jill posted about and I didn't know the
difference either.

enigma wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in
> :
>
>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making
>> peanut brittle. I cannot think of anything else I purposely
>> purchased it for nor anything else I wanted to add it to.
>
> corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
> as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
> a lab.
> lee
>
Everthing your wanted to know about HFCS....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fr..._.22natural.22

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
> made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
> a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
>
> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
>
> Jill

It also is famous for contributing to Insulin resistance which can lead
to type II diabetes...

They need to just use whole corn for what it's meant to be used for.

Food.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

jmcquown wrote:
> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards
> warding off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in
> foods. I finally made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/
> From that site there's a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
>
> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
>
> Jill

Interesting. And one would think with corn's use for ethanol (and
I won't get into the wisdom of that), they wouldn't care so much
about its use in food. *I* hope that as corn and HFCS become more
expensive, manufacturers will turn back to sugar--or (gasp!) they
could stop putting sweetener into everything. But, as I type
this, I can see that the younger folks would think that is how the
savory foods should taste, and they would be unhappy if they
weren't sweet!!!!!

--
Jean B.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:

>I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
>choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
>cane sugar.

Hmm... IIRC white table sugar, whether from sugar beets or sugarcane,
is >96% sucrose, though the two can be distinguished by careful lab
tests. (Probably not by me, it's been too many years since I did any
real analytical chemistry...)

I'm not saying beet sugar is better or worse than cane sugar, just
wondering the basis of a claim that one is better/worse than the
other.

Molasses from the two apparently are significantly different.

Best -- Terry

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
>>I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
>>else I wanted to add it to.
>
> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
> cane sugar.

good luck with that.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:28:45 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> aem wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 6, 3:05 pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
>>> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
>>> made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
>>> a link towww.HFCSfacts.com
>>>
>>> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
>>> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
>>>
>> Fight back? Against what? They have never ever before made as much
>> as they're making right now. Who should be fighting back are those
>> who want them to grow corn to eat, not to be made into HFCS and not to
>> be made into ethanol. -aem
>
> It's sugar price supports which make U.S. sugar
> 2X to 4X the world price. We would not have a domestic
> beet sugar industry without these price supports,
> and only a small cane sugar industry (mostly in P.R.).
>
> Sugar price supports have decimated the U.S. candy
> industry, with most of it moving to Canada and Mexico.
>
> You can't use HFCS to make most forms of candy, because
> it doesn't easily set up into a solid, unlike sucrose.
> However, HFCS is perfectly adaptable to liquid products
> like soda, so we have this weird situation in which
> sucrose is price-controlled at very high prices, but
> a new product (HFCS) makes an end-run around the price
> controls for the big cola companies. You have major
> interests supporting the continuation of price supports,
> and then other interests which support the loophole.
>
> Who gets screwed is the U.S. small- to mid-size candy
> manufacturers, and all U.S. candy manufacturers are
> small- to mid-size manufacturers compared to the cola
> companies.

and to a lesser extent, individual consumers who buy sugar. it's kind of a
classic scam; rip off millions of people for just a few cents, and they
won't really notice enough to mind. but for the folks collecting those
cents, it's pretty good money.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:48:35 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
>> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
>> made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
>> a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
>>
>> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
>> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
>>
>> Jill
>
> It also is famous for contributing to Insulin resistance which can lead
> to type II diabetes...
>
> They need to just use whole corn for what it's meant to be used for.
>
> Food.

don't you mean 'whisky'?

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
>>> else I wanted to add it to.
>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
>> cane sugar.
>
> good luck with that.
>

How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
of beet sugar?


--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
>>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
>>>> else I wanted to add it to.
>>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
>>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
>>> cane sugar.
>>
>> good luck with that.
>>
>
>How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
>of beet sugar?

Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
can bet money it's really beet sugar.




--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:51:51 -0700, sf wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:
>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
>>>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
>>>>> else I wanted to add it to.
>>>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
>>>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
>>>> cane sugar.
>>>
>>> good luck with that.
>>>
>>
>>How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
>>of beet sugar?
>
>Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
>can bet money it's really beet sugar.
>
>

Hot off the presses:

"As the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned many cane sugar companies
switch between processes and the processes are not indicated on the
bag. And if you were to purchase a bag of sugar in a western state, it
is most likely to be beet sugar whereas in the southeast it is most
likely to be cane sugar (thus the advertisement of pure cane sugar on
the bag). This can be problematic to those wishing to make a specific
purchase."


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
>>>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
>>>>> else I wanted to add it to.
>>>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
>>>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
>>>> cane sugar.
>>> good luck with that.
>>>
>> How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
>> of beet sugar?
>
> Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
> can bet money it's really beet sugar.

Thanks.

Next question: If the beet sugar is mixed with other stuff, is there
still a taste difference?

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:18:04 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Next question: If the beet sugar is mixed with other stuff, is there
>still a taste difference?

Apparently it doesn't cook the same, especially in candy making.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:48:35 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "jmcquown" > wrote:
> >
> >> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
> >> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I
> >> finally
> >> made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site
> >> there's
> >> a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
> >>
> >> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> >> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > It also is famous for contributing to Insulin resistance which can lead
> > to type II diabetes...
> >
> > They need to just use whole corn for what it's meant to be used for.
> >
> > Food.
>
> don't you mean 'whisky'?
>
> your pal,
> blake

<lol> Good point!
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

In article >, sf wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:51:51 -0700, sf wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
> >
> >>blake murphy wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut
> >>>>> brittle.
> >>>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor
> >>>>> anything
> >>>>> else I wanted to add it to.
> >>>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
> >>>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
> >>>> cane sugar.
> >>>
> >>> good luck with that.
> >>>
> >>
> >>How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
> >>of beet sugar?
> >
> >Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
> >can bet money it's really beet sugar.
> >
> >
>
> Hot off the presses:
>
> "As the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned many cane sugar companies
> switch between processes and the processes are not indicated on the
> bag. And if you were to purchase a bag of sugar in a western state, it
> is most likely to be beet sugar whereas in the southeast it is most
> likely to be cane sugar (thus the advertisement of pure cane sugar on
> the bag). This can be problematic to those wishing to make a specific
> purchase."

It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:08:39 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >, sf wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:51:51 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>blake murphy wrote:
>> >>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut
>> >>>>> brittle.
>> >>>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor
>> >>>>> anything
>> >>>>> else I wanted to add it to.
>> >>>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
>> >>>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
>> >>>> cane sugar.
>> >>>
>> >>> good luck with that.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
>> >>of beet sugar?
>> >
>> >Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
>> >can bet money it's really beet sugar.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Hot off the presses:
>>
>> "As the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned many cane sugar companies
>> switch between processes and the processes are not indicated on the
>> bag. And if you were to purchase a bag of sugar in a western state, it
>> is most likely to be beet sugar whereas in the southeast it is most
>> likely to be cane sugar (thus the advertisement of pure cane sugar on
>> the bag). This can be problematic to those wishing to make a specific
>> purchase."
>
>It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.

I didn't find what you found.
http://www.hummingbirds.net/feeders.html
Care to enlighten me?


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Omelet > wrote:

> In article >, sf wrote:
>
>> "As the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned many cane sugar companies
>> switch between processes and the processes are not indicated on the
>> bag. And if you were to purchase a bag of sugar in a western state, it
>> is most likely to be beet sugar whereas in the southeast it is most
>> likely to be cane sugar (thus the advertisement of pure cane sugar on
>> the bag). This can be problematic to those wishing to make a specific
>> purchase."
>
> It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.

I feed my hummingbirds HFCS (with FD&C Red #40 of course).

-sw

In article >, sf wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:08:39 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, sf wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:51:51 -0700, sf wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>blake murphy wrote:
> >> >>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut
> >> >>>>> brittle.
> >> >>>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor
> >> >>>>> anything
> >> >>>>> else I wanted to add it to.
> >> >>>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
> >> >>>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
> >> >>>> cane sugar.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> good luck with that.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
> >> >>of beet sugar?
> >> >
> >> >Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
> >> >can bet money it's really beet sugar.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hot off the presses:
> >>
> >> "As the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned many cane sugar companies
> >> switch between processes and the processes are not indicated on the
> >> bag. And if you were to purchase a bag of sugar in a western state, it
> >> is most likely to be beet sugar whereas in the southeast it is most
> >> likely to be cane sugar (thus the advertisement of pure cane sugar on
> >> the bag). This can be problematic to those wishing to make a specific
> >> purchase."
> >
> >It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.
>
> I didn't find what you found.
> http://www.hummingbirds.net/feeders.html
> Care to enlighten me?

Mom used to feed about 4 liters of formula to hummingbirds daily when we
lived in California. I need to find the pics and scan them. ;-)

She found that it got ropy and clogged her feeders.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote:
>
> > In article >, sf wrote:
> >
> >> "As the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned many cane sugar companies
> >> switch between processes and the processes are not indicated on the
> >> bag. And if you were to purchase a bag of sugar in a western state, it
> >> is most likely to be beet sugar whereas in the southeast it is most
> >> likely to be cane sugar (thus the advertisement of pure cane sugar on
> >> the bag). This can be problematic to those wishing to make a specific
> >> purchase."
> >
> > It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.
>
> I feed my hummingbirds HFCS (with FD&C Red #40 of course).
>
> -sw

I'd never feed them anything but cane sugar. ;-(
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

Omelet wrote:

>
> It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.

Does it make them sick?

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:08:39 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>

<snip>

> >> "As the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned many cane sugar companies
> >> switch between processes and the processes are not indicated on the
> >> bag. And if you were to purchase a bag of sugar in a western state, it
> >> is most likely to be beet sugar whereas in the southeast it is most
> >> likely to be cane sugar (thus the advertisement of pure cane sugar on
> >> the bag). This can be problematic to those wishing to make a specific
> >> purchase."
> >
> >It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.
>
> I didn't find what you found.
> http://www.hummingbirds.net/feeders.html
> Care to enlighten me?
>


Apparently one species of hummingbird, black-chinned (which are the most
common at our feeder), prefer *beet* sugar:

http://ortegobirds.com/articles/humm...-hummingbirds/

and dislike HFCS.

Arri London > wrote:

> Apparently one species of hummingbird, black-chinned (which are the most
> common at our feeder), prefer *beet* sugar:
>
> http://ortegobirds.com/articles/humm...-hummingbirds/
>
> and dislike HFCS.

Pepsi is working on a new, low-cost species of hummingbird to fix
that problem.

=-sw

Jean B. wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards
>> warding off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in
>> foods. I finally made note of the URL:
>> http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's a link to
>> www.HFCSfacts.com
>>
>> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of
>> HFCS since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
>>
>> Jill
>
> Interesting. And one would think with corn's use for ethanol (and I
> won't get into the wisdom of that), they wouldn't care so much about its
> use in food. *I* hope that as corn and HFCS become more expensive,
> manufacturers will turn back to sugar--or (gasp!) they could stop
> putting sweetener into everything. But, as I type this, I can see that
> the younger folks would think that is how the savory foods should taste,
> and they would be unhappy if they weren't sweet!!!!!
>

Personally, I think it's a crack-up that people are suddenly calling
refined sucrose "healthy".

Sucrose (table sugar) is half fructose and half glucose, with a weak
molecular bond between the two, which the acid in your stomach will
immediately break into separate fructose and glucose molecules. In fact,
in an acidic beverage, the molecular bond will be broken before you
drink it. Put sucrose into lemonade - it turns into fructose and glucose.

High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup is a half-and-half mix of fructose and glucose,
without the molecular bond.

Ordinary corn syrup is corn starch converted into glucose with enzymes.
Adding another enzyme converts part of the glucose into fructose.

Fructose is the sugar commonly found in fruit.
Glucose is the sugar your muscles use.
The enzymes that break down starch into sugar are found in nature. Your
own saliva contains such enzymes.

But HFCS is supposed to be worse for you than refined table sugar always
has been?

In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> >
> > It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.
>
> Does it make them sick?

No, it clogs the feeders. That was mom's experience anyway.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Sep 6, 7:37*pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > jmcquown > wrote:
>
> >> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards
> >> warding off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in
> >> foods. *I finally made note of the URL:
> >>http://www.sweetsurprise.com/*From that site there's a link to
> >>www.HFCSfacts.com
>
> >> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of
> >> HFCS since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
>
> > Supposedly any corn not used for HFCS can be used for ethanol
> > production and bring in the same price, or more.
>
> > This is probably just a cover for ADM and Big Soda, not the corn
> > farmers producers themselves.
>
> > -sw
>
> You can read into it: *corn lobbyists.
>
> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
> else I wanted to add it to. *I don't drink soda pop (Coca Cola, Sprite,
> yada, yada). *And I don't care to drink ethanol, even though it could be
> construed as "corn squeezin's".
>
> Jill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I use corn syrup in fudge and other candies, in the topping for
caramel rolls, and in chocolate (fudge) sauce.

N.

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:44:04 -0700, none <""Mark\"@(none)"> wrote:

>Personally, I think it's a crack-up that people are suddenly calling
>refined sucrose "healthy".
>
>Sucrose (table sugar) is half fructose and half glucose, with a weak
>molecular bond between the two, which the acid in your stomach will
>immediately break into separate fructose and glucose molecules. In fact,
>in an acidic beverage, the molecular bond will be broken before you
>drink it. Put sucrose into lemonade - it turns into fructose and glucose.

Mark,

I don't think it's quite *that* fast. We do an inversion-of-sucrose
experiment that takes about a week for complete reaction. Depends
partly on the concentration of acid but even in fairly concentrated
hydrochloric, it takes several hours or more, if memory serves.

Cordial cherries take several weeks to go from sucrose (soft solid
inside) to fructose/glucose (liquid inside).

>High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup is a half-and-half mix of fructose and glucose,
>without the molecular bond.

*Some* of the sugars are broken down into fructose and glucose.

>
>Ordinary corn syrup is corn starch converted into glucose with enzymes.
>Adding another enzyme converts part of the glucose into fructose.

>But HFCS is supposed to be worse for you than refined table sugar always
>has been?

I agree, it does sound a bit squirrelly...

Best -- Terry

Terry wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:44:04 -0700, none <""Mark\"@(none)"> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I think it's a crack-up that people are suddenly calling
>> refined sucrose "healthy".
>>
>> Sucrose (table sugar) is half fructose and half glucose, with a weak
>> molecular bond between the two, which the acid in your stomach will
>> immediately break into separate fructose and glucose molecules. In fact,
>> in an acidic beverage, the molecular bond will be broken before you
>> drink it. Put sucrose into lemonade - it turns into fructose and glucose.
>
> Mark,
>
> I don't think it's quite *that* fast. We do an inversion-of-sucrose
> experiment that takes about a week for complete reaction. Depends
> partly on the concentration of acid but even in fairly concentrated
> hydrochloric, it takes several hours or more, if memory serves.
>
> Cordial cherries take several weeks to go from sucrose (soft solid
> inside) to fructose/glucose (liquid inside).
>
>> High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup is a half-and-half mix of fructose and glucose,
>> without the molecular bond.
>
> *Some* of the sugars are broken down into fructose and glucose.
>
>> Ordinary corn syrup is corn starch converted into glucose with enzymes.
>> Adding another enzyme converts part of the glucose into fructose.
>
>> But HFCS is supposed to be worse for you than refined table sugar always
>> has been?
>
> I agree, it does sound a bit squirrelly...
>
> Best -- Terry

So were the studies that have come out over the years sponsored by
the sugar industry?

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> It can also be a problem for those that feed it to hummingbirds.
>> Does it make them sick?
>
> No, it clogs the feeders. That was mom's experience anyway.

Thanks.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> Arri London > wrote:
>
> > Apparently one species of hummingbird, black-chinned (which are the most
> > common at our feeder), prefer *beet* sugar:
> >
> > http://ortegobirds.com/articles/humm...-hummingbirds/
> >
> > and dislike HFCS.
>
> Pepsi is working on a new, low-cost species of hummingbird to fix
> that problem.
>
> =-sw

LOL. Sadly enough...wouldn't put it past them.

Arri London wrote:
>
> Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > Arri London > wrote:
> >
> > > Apparently one species of hummingbird, black-chinned (which are the most
> > > common at our feeder), prefer *beet* sugar:
> > >
> > > http://ortegobirds.com/articles/humm...-hummingbirds/
> > >
> > > and dislike HFCS.
> >
> > Pepsi is working on a new, low-cost species of hummingbird to fix
> > that problem.
> >
> > =-sw
>
> LOL. Sadly enough...wouldn't put it past them.

Except that Pepsi is a victim of the sugar racket,
not one of its perpetrators. They have to buy HFCS
because U.S. price controls make sucrose so expensive.
Pepsi and the other soft drink manufacturers would
love to have these price controls lifted.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:32:18 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Arri London wrote:
>>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> Arri London > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Apparently one species of hummingbird, black-chinned (which are the most
>>> > common at our feeder), prefer *beet* sugar:
>>> >
>>> > http://ortegobirds.com/articles/humm...-hummingbirds/
>>> >
>>> > and dislike HFCS.
>>>
>>> Pepsi is working on a new, low-cost species of hummingbird to fix
>>> that problem.
>>>
>>> =-sw
>>
>> LOL. Sadly enough...wouldn't put it past them.
>
> Except that Pepsi is a victim of the sugar racket,
> not one of its perpetrators. They have to buy HFCS
> because U.S. price controls make sucrose so expensive.
> Pepsi and the other soft drink manufacturers would
> love to have these price controls lifted.

they must not want it bad enough. surely coke, pepsi, and the other soft
drink manufacturers could gin up the lobbying muscle to defeat the domestic
sugar interests if they really wanted to.

your pal,
blake