"none" <""Mark\"@(none)"> wrote in message
t...
> cybercat wrote:
>> "none" <""Mark\"@(none)"> wrote
>>> I live in Washington State, and so when my clock radio woke me that
>>> morning, it was an awakening to a changed world. I had never before been
>>> fully aware of the true depth of the hatred that some barbarian
>>> "civilizations" have oh-so-carefully cultivated toward the US.
>>
>> You don't have any friend raised in what we charmingly call "the Third
>> World," do you?
> This discussion has become distinctly unsavory.
> So, in the interest of politeness...
>

Nonsense. There are perspectives different from the accepted United States
perspectives. Many different perspectives. Try shutting your mouth long
enough to open your mind.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:58:44 -0400, TFM®
> wrote:

>> ************************************************** ************
>> ...I had been watching the NYC Fox station on satellite when
>> the first plane hit. I thought it was a small plane accident.
>>
>> I left the trailer to go use the pay phone and when I got back,....
>> ************************************************** ************
>>
>> Fox and a trailer - perfect together.
>>
>> Boron
>
>Speaking of bigotry...
>That rings of Sheldon.
>
>
>TFM®

What it speaks of is the menatlity that lumps Arabs/Muslims in a
negative way, spreads the kinds of bullshit that Fox is notorious for,
then responds to objection to such classification and rumor mongering
by accusations of harboring terrorists.

I've got a side you can take, sweetie. Pick my left cheek.

Boron

I was at home getting ready to drive my kids (ages 10 and 6) to school;
the bus drivers were on strike. My daughter called to me, "Mom, a plane
hit the World Trade Center."

I remember exactly what I said, the same stupid thing I said when the
women from the Admitting Office called upstairs to Finance and said the
space shuttle, Challenger, had exploded...

"Oh no, surely not."

I thought maybe she'd stumbled onto some sort of sci-fi flick on one of
the cable channels. It was CNN.

I debated keeping the kids at home. It was only a half day so I took
them to school and rushed back home in time to see the strike on the
north tower in real time. Saw the towers fall. And heard about the
Pentagon. And the deaths of the first responders. And Flight 93, whose
crew and passengers knew they were as good as dead and fought back and
rode that plane into the ground rather than take a single extra soul
with them.

The sheer scope of the disaster and the blackhearted malice behind it
were overwhelming. I packed a cooler, loaded up the dogs. I picked up
my kids and a couple of their friends and took them to a local
wilderness area to play in the woods and swim in the creek. When they
piled into the van I grabbed a CD at random, stuck it in the player. It
was "Live - Throwing Copper". Fine, whatever, anything but more news.
But I can't listen to that album without remembering.

If we'd just seen the start of WWIII, at least I could give them one
perfect afternoon. Time enough later to witness the fears of the people
who were supposed to keep them safe, to see the planes hit, to watch the
towers fall again and again and again.

On the way back home, with the smell of sunscreen, bug spray, sweaty
kids and wet dogs in my nose, I turned the radio back on and we listened
in silence to the shock and pain and terror of an outraged nation.


This post was written by a friend who witnessed the attack on the towers
firsthand:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.m...cdbf57bd?hl=en
-or-
http://tinyurl.com/gotham-burns

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Saerah Gray >
> news:Xns9B16DF04A156Danisaerahoohaycom@ 207.115.17.102: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> Plus, they run the some of the only markets around here where I can
>> buy goat!
>
> Goat... something I've never eaten. How do you prepare it?
>
> Michael

>
Can't remember if you're into curries? Well, goat is ideal for that
sorta thing (long slow cooking). Some folks roast it too. If you can
get kid goat, it's pretty tender - a lot like lamb but a bit leaner,
IIRC.

Take a look at this too:

http://www.greatgoats.com/cooking.html
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Google is my Friend (GIMF)

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Janet Wilder >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> I had been in New York City just a few days earlier. I had taken
>> photos of the WTC from the Staten Island Ferry. When I heard the news
>> we were in a campground outside of Hershey, PA.
>>
>> My mother lived in Paterson, NJ and she told me that the Arab
>> community was celebrating by dancing in the streets. To this day, I
>> cannot imagine anyone living in this country rejoicing at such death
>> and destruction.
>
> I don't recall any of this "dancing in the streets" by the Arab community.
> Where did your mother get this information?

She and several neighbors saw it happening. Paterson, NJ has one of the
largest Arab-American populations in the country.

My mother has been dead for 5 years, so I can't please any doubters by
resurrecting her and then teaching her how to get onto Usenet.

I'm really done with this. It's obvious that there are people here who
don't want to hear a little truth. It upsets their little world.


--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Janet Wilder > fnord
:

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> Janet Wilder >
>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> I had been in New York City just a few days earlier. I had taken
>>> photos of the WTC from the Staten Island Ferry. When I heard the
>>> news we were in a campground outside of Hershey, PA.
>>>
>>> My mother lived in Paterson, NJ and she told me that the Arab
>>> community was celebrating by dancing in the streets. To this day, I
>>> cannot imagine anyone living in this country rejoicing at such death
>>> and destruction.
>>
>> I don't recall any of this "dancing in the streets" by the Arab
>> community. Where did your mother get this information?
>
> She and several neighbors saw it happening. Paterson, NJ has one of
> the largest Arab-American populations in the country.
>
> My mother has been dead for 5 years, so I can't please any doubters by
> resurrecting her and then teaching her how to get onto Usenet.
>
> I'm really done with this. It's obvious that there are people here who
> don't want to hear a little truth. It upsets their little world.
>
>

Please explain *how* the government "kept" this information from getting
out *somewhere*.

Your mother and her friends may have succumbed to a group hallucination,
but I won't believe that there were crowds of people dancing unless you
can come up with some evidence.

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

On Sep 11, 8:04*pm, Saerah Gray > wrote:

(gentle snip)

> I remember a military plane (presumably from Selfridge ANG base) flying
> over head a few days later and it freaking me the **** out.
>
> --
> Saerah
>
> "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! *Adapt or haul ass!"
> - some hillbilly from FL

===============================================

The planes that were flying over the Capitol and the White House on
9/11 were fighter jets (F17s??) from a unit based in Fargo, ND.

We didn't find this out until a long time later. There was a really
good article published in our daily paper, I'll see if I can find it
in their archives and post the URL
Lynn in Fargo

Saerah Gray wrote:
> Janet Wilder > fnord
>
>>
>> My mother has been dead for 5 years, so I can't please any doubters by
>> resurrecting her and then teaching her how to get onto Usenet.
>>
>> I'm really done with this. It's obvious that there are people here who
>> don't want to hear a little truth. It upsets their little world.
>>
>>
>
> Please explain *how* the government "kept" this information from getting
> out *somewhere*.
>
> Your mother and her friends may have succumbed to a group hallucination,
> but I won't believe that there were crowds of people dancing unless you
> can come up with some evidence.


Lots of people were misinformed by the media and government. While some
of those lies were later retracted, some people still think they are
true. For instance, within a day of the attacks there were claims that
the terrorists had snuck into the US from Canada the night before.
Hillary Clinton repeated that lie a few months ago. They did not sneak
in from Canada. They had been in the US for many months, and had arrived
with passports and had visas.

Look at the number of people who still think that Saddam was behind the
attacks. Many people believed Bush's claims about Saddam having vast
stores of WMDs. Worse yet, they not only still believe it but they think
that their troops actually found them. Bush repeated the lie about
Saddam trying to get Niger yellow cake, and when someone publicly
exposed that lie the administration got its revenge by outing the man's
wife as a CIA agent.

The really sad thing here is that after the government sources and media
aired their rumours they followed the route of urban legends. People
started recounting them as first hand or second hand accounts. It is
like the stories of a friend or friend of a friend who lived in a town
house and heard noises in the attic which turned out to be illegal
immigrants or a bunch of people from some ethnic group who had moved
into the attics.

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:58:25 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:16:18 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>
>>> Yes, you're quite right about the food. I had wanted to take David
>>> there
>>> just for the experience, as he had never been there. There was
>>> nothing quite like the view.
>>
>> still, it seems a long way for the saudis to go just to destroy a
>> mediocre restaurant.
>
>
> Two words:
>
> douglas adams

omgomg!!! i *knew* he had a hand in 9/11!!!

your pal,
arthur

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:52:09 GMT, Saerah Gray wrote:

> ChattyCathy > fnord news:gaekvt$uk4$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:16:18 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, you're quite right about the food. I had wanted to take David
>>>> there
>>>> just for the experience, as he had never been there. There was
>>>> nothing quite like the view.
>>>
>>> still, it seems a long way for the saudis to go just to destroy a
>>> mediocre restaurant.
>>
>>
>> Two words:
>>
>> douglas adams
>>
>
> I guess we should be thankful we don't have Vogons to worry about

in any case, i don't think they have room to complain about cruddy
restaurants.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:32:35 -0400, TFM® wrote:

> "Saerah Gray" > wrote in message
> . 102...
>> ChattyCathy > fnord news:gaekvt$uk4$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:16:18 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Yes, you're quite right about the food. I had wanted to take David
>>>>> there
>>>>> just for the experience, as he had never been there. There was
>>>>> nothing quite like the view.
>>>>
>>>> still, it seems a long way for the saudis to go just to destroy a
>>>> mediocre restaurant.
>>>
>>>
>>> Two words:
>>>
>>> douglas adams
>>>
>>
>> I guess we should be thankful we don't have Vogons to worry about
>
>
> Best movie *ever*.
>
> TFM® - I only read when I'm in jail. Thankfully I've been illiterate for a
> number of years.

i didn't see the movie, but the b.b.c. t.v. serial was excellent.

your pal,
marvin

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:09:51 -0600, Pennyaline wrote:

>
> I tend to be dismissive of those who went "on autopilot," "walked around
> in a daze" or "a haze" or any other manner of bludgeoned existence in
> the days following the attacks, unless of course they had friends and/or
> family involved in it or experienced it personally. It was shocking and
> certainly effecting when it happened, but it's extreme drama to insist
> that the shock carried on as a personal matter for weeks on end when one
> was not even a third-hand involved party. Most people as far removed as
> that carried on immediately and recovered rapidly. Sometimes, someone
> would mention a sudden feeling of guilt when they realized that they had
> recovered so well they had forgotten all about it as they went about
> their lives very normally.
>
> So understand why I gag when I see "I finally fell to my knees and
> cried" and "I would give all that I am and all that I have," especially
> this late in the game.

i'm glad to hear you say this, penny. i was pretty underwhelmed, too,
thinking, 'christ, another fruitcake,' same as when the murrah building in
oklahoma city blew up, and that the f.b.i. et al. would catch the
perpetrators and they would go to jail.

i had no idea bush would use it to launch an idiotic war on the wrong
people and eviscerate the constitution in the process.

live and learn, i suppose.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:58:25 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:16:18 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, you're quite right about the food. I had wanted to take David
>>>> there
>>>> just for the experience, as he had never been there. There was
>>>> nothing quite like the view.
>>>
>>> still, it seems a long way for the saudis to go just to destroy a
>>> mediocre restaurant.
>>
>>
>> Two words:
>>
>> douglas adams
>
> omgomg!!! i *knew* he had a hand in 9/11!!!
>
> your pal,
> arthur

Still got your towel handy?

--
Cheers
Ford

Google is my Friend (GIMF)

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:49:46 -0400, TFM® wrote:

> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I don't lie and the people who told me their first hand experiences didn't
>> lie either. They had no reason to lie, just as you have no reason to call
>> them or me a liar.
>
>
> Isn't it amazing how a keyboard can be used so effectively as a wedge
> between potential friends?
>
> TFM® - remaining neutral.

the keyboard is also amazing in its ability to aid in mind-reading.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:36:55 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:58:22 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>I also wonder why you are so agitated over my little statements. Are you
>>protecting terrorists or something like that?
>
>
> Yes, indeed. There is a terrorist cell living in my basement right
> this very minute. The sole purpose of the organization is to eliminate
> lying bigots. Better watch your ass, honey,
>

what kind of stuff do they cook? anything good?

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:06:12 -0500, Janet Wilder wrote:

> Saerah Gray wrote:
>> "Gregory Morrow" > fnord
>> m:
>>
>>
>>> IIRC Boron is Jewish - she should take a gander at what is said about
>>> Jews - or in fact *any* non - muzlims - at any mosque in her
>>> area...what they spew would make a Julius Streicher orgasm in gleeful
>>> delight.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> IIRC, so is Janet. As am I. The fact that there is much anti-Jewish
>> rhetoric displayed in the Muslim community has little to do with whether
>> or not people were actually dancing in the streets on 9/11.
>>
>> Being aware that a group of people may be prejudiced against me and mine
>> does not give me the right to be a bigot.
>>
>
> I reported what eye witnesses had told me. I'm sure we all know of
> things the government has "swept under the rug" over the years.

frankly, in recent years most of the things the government has 'swept under
the rug' concern its own activities.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:27:51 -0500, Janet Wilder wrote:

> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>> The message >
>> from Janet Wilder > contains these words:
>>
>>
>>> The fact that it was only one particular ethnic group that the eye
>>> witnesses I know reported, probably speaks for itself.
>>
>> You still haven't answered the question; how did your eye witness
>> mother know what they were celebrating? How did she know it wasn't a
>> birthday or marriage party having fun?
>>
>> Janet
>
> I think I posted that they were shouting things about the WTC.

i don't think i've noticed the government being all that solicitous of
arabs.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:30:33 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:13:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>
>>We all take for granted that all Muslims will side with their fellow
>>Muslims. We have to accept that most Jews will side with Israel, and
>>that a lot of Christians will side with their churches on issues over
>>the constitutional provisions.
>>
>
> Pretty good there...a jaundiced view of three major religions in one
> fell swoop.
>
> Boron

maybe jaundiced, but not unreasonable. especially with the 'most' and 'a
lot' qualifiers.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:09:51 -0600, Pennyaline wrote:
>
>>
>> I tend to be dismissive of those who went "on autopilot," "walked around
>> in a daze" or "a haze" or any other manner of bludgeoned existence in
>> the days following the attacks, unless of course they had friends and/or
>> family involved in it or experienced it personally. It was shocking and
>> certainly effecting when it happened, but it's extreme drama to insist
>> that the shock carried on as a personal matter for weeks on end when one
>> was not even a third-hand involved party. Most people as far removed as
>> that carried on immediately and recovered rapidly. Sometimes, someone
>> would mention a sudden feeling of guilt when they realized that they had
>> recovered so well they had forgotten all about it as they went about
>> their lives very normally.
>>
>> So understand why I gag when I see "I finally fell to my knees and
>> cried" and "I would give all that I am and all that I have," especially
>> this late in the game.
>
> i'm glad to hear you say this, penny. i was pretty underwhelmed, too,
> thinking, 'christ, another fruitcake,' same as when the murrah building in
> oklahoma city blew up, and that the f.b.i. et al. would catch the
> perpetrators and they would go to jail.
>
> i had no idea bush would use it to launch an idiotic war on the wrong
> people and eviscerate the constitution in the process.
>
> live and learn, i suppose.
>
Best exchange of the day. I give it two horns up.

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:10:33 -0500, Janet Wilder wrote:

> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>> The message >
>> from Janet Wilder > contains these words:
>>
>>
>>> My mother lived in Paterson, NJ and she told me that the Arab community
>>> was celebrating by dancing in the streets. To this day, I cannot imagine
>>> anyone living in this country rejoicing at such death and destruction.
>>
>> How did your mother know what it was she saw them celebrating? How
>> could she tell it was not a wedding, or birth, or religious festival?
>>
>> Janet in Scotland.
>
> My mother, who, BTW passed away in 2003, was with a group of friends who
> had gone to an Arab neighborhood in Paterson to get something in a
> particular shop, IIRC, said that they heard many references to the WTC
> being shouted in the streets.
>
> I don't think it was a wedding. No one saw a bride and groom or anything
> like that.

and even if true, so ****ing what? it's still (or used to be) a free
country, even for aliens or immigrants.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:29:38 -0500, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> Sorry if I offended you, but the truth is the truth to me and I really
> don't care how you want to warp it. Those people were shouting and
> cheering the destruction of American lives and an attack on American
> soil. I know it to be a fact and I don't really care what little dances
> you want to do to get around it.
>
> Bye.

sorry if this offends you, but i think america is strong enough to tolerate
a few nuts cheering the destruction of american lives. they weren't flying
the planes.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:35:24 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:10:33 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My mother, who, BTW passed away in 2003, was with a group of friends who
>>>> had gone to an Arab neighborhood in Paterson to get something in a
>>>> particular shop, IIRC, said that they heard many references to the WTC
>>>> being shouted in the streets.
>>>
>>> What an interesting outing to undertake on 9-11.
>>>
>>> I call bullshit again.
>>
>> BIOYA
>>
>
> Ooo! Ooo! I know what that means! I know! oo! oo!
>
> BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS.
>
> I'm right, aren't I?

i hadn't seen that initialism before, but i think you're right. damned
texting teenagers.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:22:54 -0400, TFM® wrote:
>
> It was a day that knocked a country to it's knees. It was a day that our
> government took control of our lives, because we weren't responsible enough.
>
>
> TFM®

and a mighty fine job they did of it, too.

your pal,
blake

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> "jmcquown" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> concerns about their own safety or the safety of their families
>> should feel free to leave the office (nearly everyone with children
>> did). At least HE recognized it was not going to be "business as
>> usual" that day.
>
> The people you worked with sound like fools.
>
Some were fools. Most weren't. I don't know what those people were
thinking, Michael. You can't pretend everything is okay when two planes hit
the WTC and the friggin buildings collapsed, one hit the Petagon and another
hijacked plane went down in Pennsylvania bound for who knows where. Bast
bless those heroic people who wrested that plane out of terrorist hands.
They died so others could live.

Jill

blake wrote on Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:30:05 GMT:

>> Saerah Gray wrote:
>>> "Gregory Morrow" > fnord
>>> m:
>>>
>>>> IIRC Boron is Jewish - she should take a gander at what is
>>>> said about Jews - or in fact *any* non - muzlims - at any
>>>> mosque in her area...what they spew would make a Julius
>>>> Streicher orgasm in gleeful delight.
>>>>
>>> IIRC, so is Janet. As am I. The fact that there is much
>>> anti-Jewish rhetoric displayed in the Muslim community has
>>> little to do with whether or not people were actually
>>> dancing in the streets on 9/11.
>>>
>>> Being aware that a group of people may be prejudiced against
>>> me and mine does not give me the right to be a bigot.
>>>
>> I reported what eye witnesses had told me. I'm sure we all
>> know of things the government has "swept under the rug" over
>> the years.

> frankly, in recent years most of the things the government has
> 'swept under the rug' concern its own activities.

This is a possibly suspect source but can anyone read the banner in
Arabic?

http://www.israelpolitik.org/wp-cont...after-9-11.JPG

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:41:18 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Boron Elgar >
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> As I do ever year, I watched the name reading this morning (on TV) at
>> ground zero. As in every year, it still tears me up.
>>
>> I used to live very close to the towers. I served on a jury there for
>> over 6 months, ate at Windowns on the World many times, and took lots
>> out of town friends and family to the observation deck. Before the
>> towers were open, I used the plaza as my personal roller-rink.
>
>A close friend of mine has an apartment on Montgomery, pretty close to the
>towers. She watched the entire thing unfold from her terrace. She still
>has her apartment but now resides in California. She says she just can't
>bring herself to sell the apartment but she refuses to go back. She is
>still in therapy. That horrible day will be etched in the memory of so many
>of us forever.
>
>Michael

The loss of life was horrible. To this day, only about half of those
lost have even had remains identified. What those people endured in
their last moments is unimaginable to the rest of us , and thankfully
so.

There are, of course,]many, as your friend, who were so close to it
that they became part of it themselves. Many neighborhood residences
were lost, many area workers were caught up in it all. Some I know
cannot easily speak of their experiences at all, while others seem to
be comforted by being able to talk about it.

To those of us here, who had our day to day living affected by it, by
the very the nearness of it, the smell of it, the sight of it, the
re-routing of all transportation in and out of and through the city,
it was a rough time. Seeing armed National Guard all over was spooky.
That went on for ages at the tunnels and bridges.

Some of it is almost dream-like now. I still look over to the
downtown skyline and think I'll see the towers. I have pictures of
family and friends taken there, my favorite menorah, a ceramic NYC
skyline, has the towers anchoring one side of it. I have a hand
painted denim jacket from old, old disco days that has the towers
outlined in rhinestones - having lived in the city for so long, a lot
of things seem to have a representation of the towers connected with
them. Before 9-11 it was all just "stuff," but now it is just
different.

Boron

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:36:24 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:30:33 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:13:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We all take for granted that all Muslims will side with their fellow
>>>Muslims. We have to accept that most Jews will side with Israel, and
>>>that a lot of Christians will side with their churches on issues over
>>>the constitutional provisions.
>>>
>>
>> Pretty good there...a jaundiced view of three major religions in one
>> fell swoop.
>>
>> Boron
>
>maybe jaundiced, but not unreasonable. especially with the 'most' and 'a
>lot' qualifiers.
>
>your pal,
>blake
>


And "all Muslims."

Boron

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:13:04 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> blake wrote on Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:30:05 GMT:
>
>>> Saerah Gray wrote:
>>>> "Gregory Morrow" > fnord
>>>> m:
>>>>
>>>>> IIRC Boron is Jewish - she should take a gander at what is
>>>>> said about Jews - or in fact *any* non - muzlims - at any
>>>>> mosque in her area...what they spew would make a Julius
>>>>> Streicher orgasm in gleeful delight.
>>>>>
>>>> IIRC, so is Janet. As am I. The fact that there is much
>>>> anti-Jewish rhetoric displayed in the Muslim community has
>>>> little to do with whether or not people were actually
>>>> dancing in the streets on 9/11.
>>>>
>>>> Being aware that a group of people may be prejudiced against
>>>> me and mine does not give me the right to be a bigot.
>>>>
>>> I reported what eye witnesses had told me. I'm sure we all
>>> know of things the government has "swept under the rug" over
>>> the years.
>
>> frankly, in recent years most of the things the government has
>> 'swept under the rug' concern its own activities.
>
>This is a possibly suspect source but can anyone read the banner in
>Arabic?
>
>http://www.israelpolitik.org/wp-cont...after-9-11.JPG


That is not Paterson, NJ, either. That is Reuters film of East
Jerusalem.

Boron

ChattyCathy > fnord news:gagss6$ocr$3
@registered.motzarella.org:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:58:25 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:16:18 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Yes, you're quite right about the food. I had wanted to take
David
>>>>> there
>>>>> just for the experience, as he had never been there. There was
>>>>> nothing quite like the view.
>>>>
>>>> still, it seems a long way for the saudis to go just to destroy a
>>>> mediocre restaurant.
>>>
>>>
>>> Two words:
>>>
>>> douglas adams
>>
>> omgomg!!! i *knew* he had a hand in 9/11!!!
>>
>> your pal,
>> arthur
>
> Still got your towel handy?
>

Whe I was in high school, I bought a good friend of mine a towel for his
birthday. I ran into him a few months ago, and he mentioned that he
still had it

--
Saerah (don't panic!)

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

blake murphy > fnord news:ydzvieo693h3
:

> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:52:09 GMT, Saerah Gray wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy > fnord news:gaekvt$uk4$1
>> @registered.motzarella.org:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:16:18 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Yes, you're quite right about the food. I had wanted to take
David
>>>>> there
>>>>> just for the experience, as he had never been there. There was
>>>>> nothing quite like the view.
>>>>
>>>> still, it seems a long way for the saudis to go just to destroy a
>>>> mediocre restaurant.
>>>
>>>
>>> Two words:
>>>
>>> douglas adams
>>>
>>
>> I guess we should be thankful we don't have Vogons to worry about
>
> in any case, i don't think they have room to complain about cruddy
> restaurants.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

As long as they don't show up at open mic!

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

Boron Elgar > fnord
:

> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:13:04 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
>> blake wrote on Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:30:05 GMT:
>>
>>>> Saerah Gray wrote:
>>>>> "Gregory Morrow" > fnord
>>>>> m:
>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC Boron is Jewish - she should take a gander at what is
>>>>>> said about Jews - or in fact *any* non - muzlims - at any
>>>>>> mosque in her area...what they spew would make a Julius
>>>>>> Streicher orgasm in gleeful delight.
>>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC, so is Janet. As am I. The fact that there is much
>>>>> anti-Jewish rhetoric displayed in the Muslim community has
>>>>> little to do with whether or not people were actually
>>>>> dancing in the streets on 9/11.
>>>>>
>>>>> Being aware that a group of people may be prejudiced against
>>>>> me and mine does not give me the right to be a bigot.
>>>>>
>>>> I reported what eye witnesses had told me. I'm sure we all
>>>> know of things the government has "swept under the rug" over
>>>> the years.
>>
>>> frankly, in recent years most of the things the government has
>>> 'swept under the rug' concern its own activities.
>>
>>This is a possibly suspect source but can anyone read the banner in
>>Arabic?
>>
>>http://www.israelpolitik.org/wp-cont.../palestinians-
af
>>ter-9-11.JPG
>
>
> That is not Paterson, NJ, either. That is Reuters film of East
> Jerusalem.
>
> Boron
>

And they broadcast that on the news. I remember that.

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

"James Silverton" > wrote in
news:4hUyk.89$Yw1.12@trnddc03:

> This is a possibly suspect source but can anyone read the banner in
> Arabic?

What makes you think that "the banner" (which looks more like a sign of
sorts) has anything to do with what else is portrayed there?

And it's unreadable, even enlarged, so it's not evidence of anything.

none wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
>> "none" <""Mark\"@(none)"> wrote
>>> I live in Washington State, and so when my clock radio woke me that
>>> morning, it was an awakening to a changed world. I had never before
>>> been fully aware of the true depth of the hatred that some barbarian
>>> "civilizations" have oh-so-carefully cultivated toward the US.
>>
>> You don't have any friend raised in what we charmingly call "the Third
>> World," do you?
>>
> This discussion has become distinctly unsavory.

No, it began with your unsavory comment about "barbarian 'civilizations.'"




> So, in the interest of politeness...
>
> I have friends and acquaintances from many places. My next door neighbor
> Ali is from Nigeria, for instance. He came here because he likes it
> better here. Nice guy, though his youngest toddler-age kid can be really
> REALLY noisy (grin).
> Cute kid, though. He keeps doing that "HI!" thing little kids do. He's
> so proud of knowing a word in the English language, and he should be! I
> know nothing at all of the language of Nigeria, and I'm over 50!
> I won't hold it against him that he stole the knob off of the water tap
> for my lawn sprinkler for a play-toy, just 'cause.

My god. You are an asshole.



> If someone from whatever you call a "third world country" told me of the
> terrible oppression his country had suffered from the US, I would regard
> him as I do a co-worker who believes the World Trade Center was blown up
> by American conspirators...

It was. Some BYU professor has the proof.


>... or the woman who told me she has seen UFOs ...

Can you prove she didn't?



>... and
> went on to tell me how to tell whether your car's headlights are
> reflecting from an ordinary animal's eyes, or those of a Sasquach...

Sasquatch is dead, or haven't you heard? He's in that box over there.


>... Or
> perhaps the online discussion elsewhere accusing our military of
> disguising explosives as food packets...

Brilliant!



>...Or even the work acquaintance who
> confided to me the astounding story of cars running on water via the use
> of "Brown's Gas". There are a large number of people out there who
> believe in such foolishness, probably for the sheer entertainment value
> of it.
>
> Go ahead and believe whatever you want.
>
> Me? I let some of my broccoli stay in the garden too long before
> harvesting it, and now it has a lot more fiber than one would hope to
> find in one's broccoli.

You'll be the most popular guy on the block. The alien invaders like
their broccoli that way.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:25:18 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:58:25 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:16:18 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Yes, you're quite right about the food. I had wanted to take David
>>>>> there
>>>>> just for the experience, as he had never been there. There was
>>>>> nothing quite like the view.
>>>>
>>>> still, it seems a long way for the saudis to go just to destroy a
>>>> mediocre restaurant.
>>>
>>>
>>> Two words:
>>>
>>> douglas adams
>>
>> omgomg!!! i *knew* he had a hand in 9/11!!!
>>
>> your pal,
>> arthur
>
> Still got your towel handy?

i *always* have my towel handy.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:25:18 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

>>
>> Still got your towel handy?
>
> i *always* have my towel handy.
>

Clever man.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Google is my Friend (GIMF)

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:19:01 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:36:24 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:30:33 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:13:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>We all take for granted that all Muslims will side with their fellow
>>>>Muslims. We have to accept that most Jews will side with Israel, and
>>>>that a lot of Christians will side with their churches on issues over
>>>>the constitutional provisions.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Pretty good there...a jaundiced view of three major religions in one
>>> fell swoop.
>>>
>>> Boron
>>
>>maybe jaundiced, but not unreasonable. especially with the 'most' and 'a
>>lot' qualifiers.
>>
>>your pal,
>>blake
>>
>
>
> And "all Muslims."
>
> Boron


there is that.

your pal,
blake

<sf> wrote in message

> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:03:17 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:

>>In real time, it was much earlier in the morning here in Phoenix.

> It was even earlier here in San Francisco.

Not possible. Mountain Standard Time is the same as Pacific Daylight Time.

"cat" > wrote in message
...
> <sf> wrote in message
>
>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:03:17 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>
>>>In real time, it was much earlier in the morning here in Phoenix.
>
>> It was even earlier here in San Francisco.
>
> Not possible. Mountain Standard Time is the same as Pacific Daylight
> Time.

Depending on the time of the year - Remember but I would venture to day
9-11-2001 would be the same time.

Dimitri

"sf" wrote in message news
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:03:17 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>In real time, it was much earlier in the morning here in Phoenix.
>
> It was even earlier here in San Francisco. My alarm was getting ready
> to go off, I was half awake and the phone rang. It was my next door
> neighbor (shouting and in tears) telling us to turn on the TV to ANY
> station. To this day, I don't know if I actually watched the first
> tower hit in real time... but I do know I watched the second tower in
> real time.


As soon as I realized what was going on - (I was in Jersey) I called home
and told the girls to wake up their mom & to tell her to turn on the TV &
that I was OK. By that time all the land lines were clogged & I finally
got through on my cell phone.

Dimitri

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 03:36:58p, cat told us...

> <sf> wrote in message
>
>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:03:17 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>
>>>In real time, it was much earlier in the morning here in Phoenix.
>
>> It was even earlier here in San Francisco.
>
> Not possible. Mountain Standard Time is the same as Pacific Daylight
> Time.
>
>

And Arizona doesn't observe DST.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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