wrote:
>First, nigs on welfare. Because
>these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.

Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
white men. What would you suggest we do with them?

Orlando

Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
> wrote:
>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>
> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?

This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.

Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.

In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
actually single white males is absolutely false.

http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...

> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>
>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
>> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>
> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
> sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
> recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.
>
> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
> the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
> for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
> than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
> Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>
> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>
> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>

Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most is
seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare office
with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping
out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
benefits for each child they have.

There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
seem to be in the vast minority.

--
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>>>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>>>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>>>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
>>> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
>> sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
>> recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.
>>
>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
>> the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
>> for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
>> than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
>> Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>
>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>
>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most is
> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare office
> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping
> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> benefits for each child they have.
>
> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> seem to be in the vast minority.

I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
> > actually single white males is absolutely false.
> >
> > http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
> >
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most is
> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare office
> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping
> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> benefits for each child they have.
>
> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.

It needs a serious overhaul.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> > bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> > seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.

Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?

Yah, right.

<sigh>

The solution is education. Truly.

Statistically, educated women have fewer children. That's especially
been proven in India.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs
>>>>> to any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the
>>>>> bill for the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all
>>>>> benefits after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can
>>>>> find a real job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our
>>>>> nation's welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass
>>>>> polyps in suits out there lobbying for even more rights for these
>>>>> lazy sloths.
>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that
>>> the most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of
>>> blacks on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only
>>> 12% of the population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are
>>> women.
>>>
>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>
>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient
>> could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What
>> you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there
>> are so many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that
>> irritates me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother
>> marching into the welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of
>> these people are unemployed by choice or lack of even the most
>> rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work. With our present
>> system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping out kids
>> like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional benefits
>> for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves
> and those who cannot support themselves and then have more children
> than they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate
> that those who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and
> racist by claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men.
> The facts do not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>

professional people have children who usually become professional people.
Parents who have been to college usually have children who go to college.
Smokers children usually smoke. Welfare babies usually go on welfare. This
isn't 100% true but true enough.

The idea is to break this cycle in welfare recipience. It is a well known
cycle...the problem is the fix hasn't been found yet.

--

The beet goes on -Alan

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>>>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>>>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>>>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>>
>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
>>> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>
>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
>> sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
>> recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.
>>
>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
>> the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
>> for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
>> than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
>> Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>
>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>
>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most
> is
> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare
> office
> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep
> popping
> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> benefits for each child they have.
>
> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> seem to be in the vast minority.
>

Are all of you bitches forgetting how drastically the welfare rolls were
reduced during President Clinton's two administrations?

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
>>> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
>>> seem to be in the vast minority.
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
>> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
>> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
>> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
>> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
>> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.
>
> Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?
>
> Yah, right.
>
> <sigh>

Well, that was certainly not my suggestion. I had no children out of
wedlock. I accepted responsibility for raising my son and have never
collected welfare.


> The solution is education. Truly.
>
> Statistically, educated women have fewer children. That's especially
> been proven in India.

That certainly seems to be the case in North America where a lot of
women go on to post secondary education and postpone motherhood until
after they have established a career. Meanwhile, lots of women are
dropping out of school and having children and lack the financial means
to raise their children. Then they face hurdles finding a job because
they need to go back to school to upgrade their education and skills or
end up in minimum wage jobs where they earn so little they cannot afford
day care.

Sadly, welfare has become a viable alternative to working for some
people. For many people it is short term relief and they get back on
their feet within a few months or a few years. For many others it
becomes a way of life and gets passed on to their children.

FWIW.... a little anecdotal tidbit.... I knew a family on welfare. The
father had a few short term jobs but sabotaged his employment when he
had enough time in to collect unemployment insurance, which would then
run out and they would be back on welfare. One of the daughters moved
out to live on her own..... on welfare. The other daughter was a little
brighter and went on to college. Half way through her first year at
college she set out to get pregnant. She did not want to finish her two
year college course and then get pregnant. She wanted to have a baby and
then go back to school. She was successful, if you can call getting
pregnant and not being able to complete college success. She and her
boyfriend ended up on welfare, and the last I heard she was a single
parent living on welfare. So much for education.


What do you do in a case like that. He is a woman who was raised on
welfare, whose college education subsidized and received student grants,
who had the opportunity to get education and training to help her find
meaningful employment. But she knew that the system would support her,
so she intentionally got herself pregnant knowing that she could stay
home and not have to work. That was the way she was raised, and there is
a good chance that her kid will grow up with the same mind set.

"hahabogus" > wrote

> The idea is to break this cycle in welfare recipience. It is a well known
> cycle...the problem is the fix hasn't been found yet.

Where I live they put a 5 year lifetime limit on welfare. Last
I heard, you didn't get extra funds if you had additional children
after you were on welfare. That's a simple overview, but you
get the idea. Training programs were set up for people who
needed it.

It might not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
Nothing wrong with If you can work, work.

nancy

Wayne Boatwright > fnord
5.247:

> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs
>>>> to any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill
>>>> for the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all
>>>> benefits after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can
>>>> find a real job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our
>>>> nation's welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass
>>>> polyps in suits out there lobbying for even more rights for these
>>>> lazy sloths.
>>>
>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>
>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that
>> the most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>> racist.
>>
>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks
>> on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the
>> population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>
>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>
>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient
> could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What
> you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there
> are so many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that
> irritates me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother
> marching into the welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of
> these people are unemployed by choice or lack of even the most
> rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work. With our present
> system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping out kids
> like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional benefits
> for each child they have.
>

Most adults on AFDC only have one or two children.

> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>

When welfare gives you a higher net income, why work a minimum wage job?


--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> What do you do in a case like that. He is a woman who was raised on
> welfare, whose college education subsidized and received student grants,
> who had the opportunity to get education and training to help her find
> meaningful employment. But she knew that the system would support her,
> so she intentionally got herself pregnant knowing that she could stay
> home and not have to work. That was the way she was raised, and there is
> a good chance that her kid will grow up with the same mind set.

That appears to be the problem in New Orleans...

The Answer?

No welfare. Period. Government home work programs! If you get welfare,
you do SOMETHING to earn it! Even if it's just sewing military uniforms
at home...

NO free ride!
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:35:19a, Omelet told us...

> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> > their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> > Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves
>> and those who cannot support themselves and then have more children
>> than they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that
>> those who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
>> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts
>> do not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.
>
> Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?

Simple choice, enforced birth control and receive welfare, or no welfare.
I don't give a damn if they're lying in the gutters. I'm sick of paying
for benefits that others receive. Welfare recipients in AZ have the
benefit of AHCCCS, which provide absolutely free health care to any extent.
Many times I cannot even afford the copay for my medications.

That's fair?

BS

It's almost an inviting proposition to quit my job and live off the dole.

> Yah, right.
>
> <sigh>
>
> The solution is education. Truly.
>
> Statistically, educated women have fewer children. That's especially
> been proven in India.

We not in India, and we hardly have the same culture.

--
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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:27:29a, Dave Smith told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real
>>>>> job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's
>>>>> welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits
>>>>> out there lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
>>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks
>>> on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the
>>> population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>>
>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>
>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
>> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you
>> can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so
>> many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates
>> me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
>> welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are
>> unemployed by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and
>> have no desire to work. With our present system they know they don't
>> have to, yet they keep popping out kids like it ws a hobby, and they
>> know they'll receive additional benefits for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

Indeed, and I don't know what the solution is either. I just know that the
current system is grossly unfair to those who make every effort to support
themselves and their families and end up paying for those who don't.

Too bad there isn't an unpopulated island somewhere where they could all be
shipped.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:37:48a, hahabogus told us...

> Dave Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>>
>>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs
>>>>>> to any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the
>>>>>> bill for the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all
>>>>>> benefits after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can
>>>>>> find a real job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our
>>>>>> nation's welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass
>>>>>> polyps in suits out there lobbying for even more rights for these
>>>>>> lazy sloths.
>>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that
>>>> the most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>>>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>>>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>>>> racist.
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>>>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>>>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of
>>>> blacks on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only
>>>> 12% of the population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are
>>>> women.
>>>>
>>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient
>>> could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What
>>> you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there
>>> are so many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that
>>> irritates me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother
>>> marching into the welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of
>>> these people are unemployed by choice or lack of even the most
>>> rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work. With our present
>>> system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping out kids
>>> like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional benefits
>>> for each child they have.
>>>
>>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves
>> and those who cannot support themselves and then have more children
>> than they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate
>> that those who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and
>> racist by claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men.
>> The facts do not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>>
>
> professional people have children who usually become professional people.
> Parents who have been to college usually have children who go to college.
> Smokers children usually smoke. Welfare babies usually go on welfare.
This
> isn't 100% true but true enough.
>
> The idea is to break this cycle in welfare recipience. It is a well known
> cycle...the problem is the fix hasn't been found yet.
>

No more welfare. Work or starve.

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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 10:46:26a, Nancy Young told us...

>
> "hahabogus" > wrote
>
>> The idea is to break this cycle in welfare recipience. It is a well
known
>> cycle...the problem is the fix hasn't been found yet.
>
> Where I live they put a 5 year lifetime limit on welfare. Last
> I heard, you didn't get extra funds if you had additional children
> after you were on welfare. That's a simple overview, but you
> get the idea. Training programs were set up for people who
> needed it.
>
> It might not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
> Nothing wrong with If you can work, work.
>
> nancy
>
>

Yes, that is certainly a step in the right direction. I wish that were
true nationally.

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In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:35:19a, Omelet told us...
>
> > In article >,
> > Dave Smith > wrote:
> >
> >> > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
> >> > their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
> >> > Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
> >>
> >> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> >> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves
> >> and those who cannot support themselves and then have more children
> >> than they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that
> >> those who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> >> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts
> >> do not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
> >
> > The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.
> >
> > Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?
>
> Simple choice, enforced birth control and receive welfare, or no welfare.
> I don't give a damn if they're lying in the gutters. I'm sick of paying
> for benefits that others receive. Welfare recipients in AZ have the
> benefit of AHCCCS, which provide absolutely free health care to any extent.
> Many times I cannot even afford the copay for my medications.
>
> That's fair?
>
> BS
>
> It's almost an inviting proposition to quit my job and live off the dole.

With my current health issues, I could probably qualify for SSI
disability... but I'd not make anywhere near as much money. What ever
happened to ambition? Sheesh!

I'm not selling my property to live in an apt. or trailer, thank you!
I'll put up with the pain. <g> And use a TENS unit. And live in my
almost paid for house. 3 years left on the morgage. Yay!

>
> > Yah, right.
> >
> > <sigh>
> >
> > The solution is education. Truly.
> >
> > Statistically, educated women have fewer children. That's especially
> > been proven in India.
>
> We not in India, and we hardly have the same culture.

That was not my point babe.
Educated women don't end up on welfare as OFTEN as high school dropouts.

With our current welfare system, you get paid by the unsupported child.
It rewards unwed fecundity.
--
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"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:32:28a, Omelet told us...

> In article 7>,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>> > actually single white males is absolutely false.
>> >
>> > http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>> >
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
>> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you
>> can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so
>> many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates
>> me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
>> welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are
>> unemployed by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and
>> have no desire to work. With our present system they know they don't
>> have to, yet they keep popping out kids like it ws a hobby, and they
>> know they'll receive additional benefits for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.

It does, indeed!

> It needs a serious overhaul.

And it needs to be at shock level. Boom! No more freeloading. Get a damn
job or don't eat.

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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 10:52:15a, Saerah Gray told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > fnord
> 5.247:
>
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs
>>>>> to any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill
>>>>> for the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all
>>>>> benefits after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can
>>>>> find a real job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our
>>>>> nation's welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass
>>>>> polyps in suits out there lobbying for even more rights for these
>>>>> lazy sloths.
>>>>
>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>>
>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that
>>> the most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks
>>> on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the
>>> population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>>
>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>
>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient
>> could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What
>> you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there
>> are so many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that
>> irritates me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother
>> marching into the welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of
>> these people are unemployed by choice or lack of even the most
>> rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work. With our present
>> system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping out kids
>> like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional benefits
>> for each child they have.
>>
>
> Most adults on AFDC only have one or two children.

Not in AZ.

>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>
> When welfare gives you a higher net income, why work a minimum wage job?

Reduce or eliminate welfare altogether. Let them fend for themselves.

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On Sep 14, 1:57*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
> *Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > What do you do in a case like that. He is a woman who was raised on
> > welfare, whose college education subsidized and received student grants,
> > who had the opportunity to get education and training to help her find
> > meaningful employment. But she knew that the system would support her,
> > so she intentionally got herself pregnant knowing that she could stay
> > home and not have to work. That was the way she was raised, and there is
> > a good chance that her kid will grow up with the same mind set.
>
> That appears to be the problem in New Orleans...
>
> The Answer?
>
> No welfare. Period. Government home work programs! *If you get welfare,
> you do SOMETHING to earn it! Even if it's just sewing military uniforms
> at home...
>
> NO free ride!

And if you think you've got a crime problem now, just wait. Starve
or shoot the lady in the mink coat?

John Kane Kingson ON Canada

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

My proposal is that we agree to pay for their upkeep,
but they are required to move somewhere where those costs
are cheapest, and we can contract out the upkeep to the
lowest bidder. Russia and Mexico come to mind.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> What do you do in a case like that. He is a woman who was raised on
>> welfare, whose college education subsidized and received student grants,
>> who had the opportunity to get education and training to help her find
>> meaningful employment. But she knew that the system would support her,
>> so she intentionally got herself pregnant knowing that she could stay
>> home and not have to work. That was the way she was raised, and there is
>> a good chance that her kid will grow up with the same mind set.
>
> That appears to be the problem in New Orleans...
>
> The Answer?
>
> No welfare. Period. Government home work programs! If you get welfare,
> you do SOMETHING to earn it! Even if it's just sewing military uniforms
> at home...

And if they don't perform?? Fire them and let them starve? I don't
think so.

In the good old days they had debtors prisons, and babies were taken
from poor single mothers and put up for adoption. I hope there is ahappy
medium.


>
> NO free ride!

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 12:21:24p, Omelet told us...

> In article 7>,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:35:19a, Omelet told us...
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > Dave Smith > wrote:
>> >
>> >> > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up
>> >> > by their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> >> > Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> >> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves
>> >> and those who cannot support themselves and then have more children
>> >> than they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate
>> >> that those who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and
>> >> racist by claiming that most welfare recipients are single white
>> >> men. The facts do not support that. In fact, it is the exact
>> >> opposite.
>> >
>> > The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.
>> >
>> > Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?
>>
>> Simple choice, enforced birth control and receive welfare, or no
>> welfare. I don't give a damn if they're lying in the gutters. I'm
>> sick of paying for benefits that others receive. Welfare recipients in
>> AZ have the benefit of AHCCCS, which provide absolutely free health
>> care to any extent. Many times I cannot even afford the copay for my
>> medications.
>>
>> That's fair?
>>
>> BS
>>
>> It's almost an inviting proposition to quit my job and live off the
>> dole.
>
> With my current health issues, I could probably qualify for SSI
> disability... but I'd not make anywhere near as much money. What ever
> happened to ambition? Sheesh!
>
> I'm not selling my property to live in an apt. or trailer, thank you!
> I'll put up with the pain. <g> And use a TENS unit. And live in my
> almost paid for house. 3 years left on the morgage. Yay!
>
>>
>> > Yah, right.
>> >
>> > <sigh>
>> >
>> > The solution is education. Truly.
>> >
>> > Statistically, educated women have fewer children. That's especially
>> > been proven in India.
>>
>> We not in India, and we hardly have the same culture.
>
> That was not my point babe.
> Educated women don't end up on welfare as OFTEN as high school dropouts.
>
> With our current welfare system, you get paid by the unsupported child.
> It rewards unwed fecundity.

It certainly does. The "rewards" should be eliminated altogether. The more
kids you have, the less money you should get.

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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 12:26:21p, Mark Thorson told us...

> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
>> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
>> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
>> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
>> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
>> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> My proposal is that we agree to pay for their upkeep,
> but they are required to move somewhere where those costs
> are cheapest, and we can contract out the upkeep to the
> lowest bidder. Russia and Mexico come to mind.
>

Or an unpopulated island.

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In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> > The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
>
> It does, indeed!
>
> > It needs a serious overhaul.
>
> And it needs to be at shock level. Boom! No more freeloading. Get a damn
> job or don't eat.

No argument there...
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In article
>,
John Kane > wrote:

> On Sep 14, 1:57*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *Dave Smith > wrote:
> >
> > > What do you do in a case like that. He is a woman who was raised on
> > > welfare, whose college education subsidized and received student grants,
> > > who had the opportunity to get education and training to help her find
> > > meaningful employment. But she knew that the system would support her,
> > > so she intentionally got herself pregnant knowing that she could stay
> > > home and not have to work. That was the way she was raised, and there is
> > > a good chance that her kid will grow up with the same mind set.
> >
> > That appears to be the problem in New Orleans...
> >
> > The Answer?
> >
> > No welfare. Period. Government home work programs! *If you get welfare,
> > you do SOMETHING to earn it! Even if it's just sewing military uniforms
> > at home...
> >
> > NO free ride!
>
> And if you think you've got a crime problem now, just wait. Starve
> or shoot the lady in the mink coat?
>
> John Kane Kingson ON Canada

You may note that I offered a Government work program as an
alternative... or were you not paying attention?

Peace corps or Civilian Corps of Engineers.

Work for the money for the public.

No free ride.

Fcuk the "mink coat".

Geeze.
--
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On Sep 14, 1:46*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "hahabogus" > wrote
>
> > The idea is to break this cycle in welfare recipience. It is a well known
> > cycle...the problem is the fix hasn't been found yet.
>
> Where I live they put a 5 year lifetime limit on welfare. *Last
> I heard, you didn't get extra funds if you had additional children
> after you were on welfare. *That's a simple overview, but you
> get the idea. *Training programs were set up for people who
> needed it.
>
> It might not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
> Nothing wrong with If you can work, work.
>
> nancy

Where do you live and has anyone actually looked at the results of
this idea?

Every once in a while some state or province or country tries
something this dumb and it flops because it is a stupid political
response to a complex socio-economic problem.

It really sound like a good idea until you start to think of what
happens when people get tosssed off welfare.

Of course, a lot just die so that helps solve the problem. This is
what happens when you just cut welfare payments not stop them
completely. http://www.math.yorku.ca/SCS/Gallery...evolution6.pdf

Or you can die of heat stroke in an apartment in Sudbury if you make a
mistake and illegally combine welfare and student loans.

Of course, a lot of the kids can go into the enterainment industry-
kiddy porn sells well,

As the kids get older they can move into real prostitution and perhaps
some mugging and B&Es, often a favourite carreer path for young
males.

Drug dealing is always an attractive option particularly if it is
combined with membership in a elite gang with cool colours.

John Kane Kingston

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Dave Smith > wrote:
> >
> >> What do you do in a case like that. He is a woman who was raised on
> >> welfare, whose college education subsidized and received student grants,
> >> who had the opportunity to get education and training to help her find
> >> meaningful employment. But she knew that the system would support her,
> >> so she intentionally got herself pregnant knowing that she could stay
> >> home and not have to work. That was the way she was raised, and there is
> >> a good chance that her kid will grow up with the same mind set.
> >
> > That appears to be the problem in New Orleans...
> >
> > The Answer?
> >
> > No welfare. Period. Government home work programs! If you get welfare,
> > you do SOMETHING to earn it! Even if it's just sewing military uniforms
> > at home...
>
> And if they don't perform?? Fire them and let them starve? I don't
> think so.

It's called "training" babe.

>
> In the good old days they had debtors prisons, and babies were taken
> from poor single mothers and put up for adoption. I hope there is ahappy
> medium.

My own father is a product of that. Don't think I have no personal
experience. Dad is an adopted state confiscated orphan. It's made my
family tree searches somewhat complicated.

He has no regrets.

Don't have babies you cannot support. I know that sounds ruthless, but
people need to grow the hell up.

>
>
> >
> > NO free ride!

I still stand by that.

I worked my ass off to get where I am. Pardon me if I don't want my tax
dollars to support lazy freeloaders!
--
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"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> > With our current welfare system, you get paid by the unsupported child.
> > It rewards unwed fecundity.
>
> It certainly does. The "rewards" should be eliminated altogether. The more
> kids you have, the less money you should get.

You wish. <g>
--
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On Sep 14, 3:18*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:27:29a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>
> >>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
> >>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
> >>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
> >>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
> >>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
> >>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real
> >>>>> job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's
> >>>>> welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits
> >>>>> out there lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
> >>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
> >>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
> >>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
> >>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
> >>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
> >>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
> >>> racist.
>
> >>> Many of them are neither men nor women. *They are children. *Five
> >>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
> >>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans *who
> >>> account for 37%. *Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks
> >>> on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the
> >>> population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>
> >>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
> >>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>
> >>> * *http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>
> >> Whatever... *Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> >> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> >> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. *What you
> >> can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. *It's no wonder there are so
> >> many children on the welfare rolls. *One of the things that irritates
> >> me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
> >> welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are
> >> unemployed by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and
> >> have no desire to work. *With our present system they know they don't
> >> have to, yet they keep popping out kids like it ws a hobby, and they
> >> know they'll receive additional benefits for each child they have.
>
> >> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
> >> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
> >> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> > I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> > resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> > those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> > they cannot afford. * I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> > who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> > claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> > not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> Indeed, and I don't know what the solution is either. *I just know that the
> current system is grossly unfair to those who make every effort to support
> themselves and their families and end up paying for those who don't.

Reform the education system, put a lot , and I mean a lot, of money
into neo-natal cre and early childhood education, change some of the
labour and welfare laws that usually work to make it better to stay on
welfare, institute a decent health care system that covers the working
poor.

Try spending money on programs to rehabilitate prisonners, rather than
warehousing them. Include real vocational training.


> Too bad there isn't an unpopulated island somewhere where they could all be
> shipped.
>
Australia is not accepting new immigrants. Oh and the Brits still have
crime and welfare problems

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Sep 14, 12:32*pm, Omelet > wrote:
>
> The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.

Cite?

And if it does, why? Has society made it so difficult to excape that
it is not even worth trying?

What is the breakdown of the people on welfare in your community?

Just how much money do they get?

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote

> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 10:46:26a, Nancy Young told us...

>> Where I live they put a 5 year lifetime limit on welfare. Last
>> I heard, you didn't get extra funds if you had additional children
>> after you were on welfare. That's a simple overview, but you
>> get the idea. Training programs were set up for people who
>> needed it.
>>
>> It might not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
>> Nothing wrong with If you can work, work.

> Yes, that is certainly a step in the right direction. I wish that were
> true nationally.

I think it might explain the seriously sullen cashiers I've had
to deal with in some stores ... hey, I'm just buying stuff, I
can't help it your job is to ring up my items. I know there
was a lot of resistance to the whole Get a job thing, and yet
there were people who were happy to get out of that life and
appreciated the opportunity to work. Welfare can be something
of a trap.

nancy

On Sep 14, 3:22*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:

> > It needs a serious overhaul.
>
> And it needs to be at shock level. *Boom! *No more freeloading. *Get a damn
> job or don't eat.

It's a lot faster to get a gun. Starve or shoot ?

I remember a a quote from a poor black kid in Detroit from 20-25 years
ago which went something like : If I have a choice between shooting
the guy or not eating , I'll kill the F....!

I always thought that made quite a bit of sense.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

"John Kane" > wrote

On Sep 14, 1:46 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> Where I live they put a 5 year lifetime limit on welfare. Last
>> I heard, you didn't get extra funds if you had additional children
>> after you were on welfare. That's a simple overview, but you
>> get the idea. Training programs were set up for people who
>> needed it.
>
>> It might not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
>> Nothing wrong with If you can work, work.

>Where do you live and has anyone actually looked at the results of
>this idea?

>Every once in a while some state or province or country tries
>something this dumb and it flops because it is a stupid political
>response to a complex socio-economic problem.

You really seem to like the welfare solution. I wonder why.

>It really sound like a good idea until you start to think of what
>happens when people get tosssed off welfare.

>Of course, a lot just die so that helps solve the problem. This is
>what happens when you just cut welfare payments not stop them
>completely.

I said it was a simple overview. The plan is not a simplistic
as you have latched onto.

>Drug dealing is always an attractive option particularly if it is
>combined with membership in a elite gang with cool colours.

You're right. Welfare is the cure for drug dealing.

nancy

In article
>,
John Kane > wrote:

> Reform the education system, put a lot , and I mean a lot, of money
> into neo-natal cre and early childhood education, change some of the
> labour and welfare laws that usually work to make it better to stay on
> welfare, institute a decent health care system that covers the working
> poor.
>
> Try spending money on programs to rehabilitate prisonners, rather than
> warehousing them. Include real vocational training.

Wouldn't that be nice... :-)
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In article
>,
John Kane > wrote:

> On Sep 14, 12:32*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> >
> > The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
>
> Cite?

Oh please!

>
> And if it does, why? Has society made it so difficult to excape that
> it is not even worth trying?

Yes.

>
> What is the breakdown of the people on welfare in your community?

I live in South Texas.

>
> Just how much money do they get?

Enough to survive, but I'm not happy about supporting freeloaders. Are
you?

>
> John Kane Kingston ON Canada

The USA is not as socialist as Canada is, yet.

What is your income tax rate?
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In article
>,
John Kane > wrote:

> On Sep 14, 3:22*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
> wrote:
>
> > > It needs a serious overhaul.
> >
> > And it needs to be at shock level. *Boom! *No more freeloading. *Get a damn
> > job or don't eat.
>
> It's a lot faster to get a gun. Starve or shoot ?
>
> I remember a a quote from a poor black kid in Detroit from 20-25 years
> ago which went something like : If I have a choice between shooting
> the guy or not eating , I'll kill the F....!
>
> I always thought that made quite a bit of sense.
>
> John Kane Kingston ON Canada

Oh. My gods...
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"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> You're right. Welfare is the cure for drug dealing.
>
> nancy

<lol> Good insight Nancy!
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> Or an unpopulated island.

These people can't take care of themselves.
They wouldn't survive on an unpopulated island.
That would be more cruel than gassing them.

The only way to maintain their upkeep is to
out-source it to people who know how to take
care of themselves and others.

For what we pay, they could live a very good
life and provide a very good income for their
handlers in places where the cost of living
is cheap. If we are also paying for their
medical, it needs to be some place with a
good and cost-effective medical system.
Like Cuba. If they want to earn some spending
money, there's always cutting sugar cane.

I suppose this could be offered as an option.
Stay here and scrape along on as little as
we can pay you, or move to Cuba/Russia/Mexico
and have a nice apartment and maybe maid service.

"Saerah Gray" > wrote in message
>
> When welfare gives you a higher net income, why work a minimum wage job?
>

That is one problem. The Federal minimum wage is ridiculously low and some
states are not much better. There should be a time limit though, and
possibly some training - job skills help. The other problem is that you
have to WANT to do well, educate yourself, be trained and try to earn a
living.

OH, dignity and self esteem play here too. Or the lack of it.