wrote:
>First, nigs on welfare. Because
>these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.

Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
white men. What would you suggest we do with them?

Orlando

Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
> wrote:
>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>
> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?

This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.

Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.

In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
actually single white males is absolutely false.

http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...

> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>
>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
>> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>
> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
> sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
> recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.
>
> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
> the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
> for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
> than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
> Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>
> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>
> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>

Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most is
seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare office
with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping
out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
benefits for each child they have.

There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
seem to be in the vast minority.

--
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>>>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>>>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>>>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
>>> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
>> sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
>> recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.
>>
>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
>> the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
>> for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
>> than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
>> Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>
>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>
>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most is
> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare office
> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping
> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> benefits for each child they have.
>
> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> seem to be in the vast minority.

I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> > bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> > seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.

Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?

Yah, right.

<sigh>

The solution is education. Truly.

Statistically, educated women have fewer children. That's especially
been proven in India.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
>>> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
>>> seem to be in the vast minority.
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
>> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
>> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
>> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
>> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
>> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.
>
> Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?
>
> Yah, right.
>
> <sigh>

Well, that was certainly not my suggestion. I had no children out of
wedlock. I accepted responsibility for raising my son and have never
collected welfare.


> The solution is education. Truly.
>
> Statistically, educated women have fewer children. That's especially
> been proven in India.

That certainly seems to be the case in North America where a lot of
women go on to post secondary education and postpone motherhood until
after they have established a career. Meanwhile, lots of women are
dropping out of school and having children and lack the financial means
to raise their children. Then they face hurdles finding a job because
they need to go back to school to upgrade their education and skills or
end up in minimum wage jobs where they earn so little they cannot afford
day care.

Sadly, welfare has become a viable alternative to working for some
people. For many people it is short term relief and they get back on
their feet within a few months or a few years. For many others it
becomes a way of life and gets passed on to their children.

FWIW.... a little anecdotal tidbit.... I knew a family on welfare. The
father had a few short term jobs but sabotaged his employment when he
had enough time in to collect unemployment insurance, which would then
run out and they would be back on welfare. One of the daughters moved
out to live on her own..... on welfare. The other daughter was a little
brighter and went on to college. Half way through her first year at
college she set out to get pregnant. She did not want to finish her two
year college course and then get pregnant. She wanted to have a baby and
then go back to school. She was successful, if you can call getting
pregnant and not being able to complete college success. She and her
boyfriend ended up on welfare, and the last I heard she was a single
parent living on welfare. So much for education.


What do you do in a case like that. He is a woman who was raised on
welfare, whose college education subsidized and received student grants,
who had the opportunity to get education and training to help her find
meaningful employment. But she knew that the system would support her,
so she intentionally got herself pregnant knowing that she could stay
home and not have to work. That was the way she was raised, and there is
a good chance that her kid will grow up with the same mind set.

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:35:19a, Omelet told us...

> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> > their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> > Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves
>> and those who cannot support themselves and then have more children
>> than they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that
>> those who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
>> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts
>> do not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.
>
> Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?

Simple choice, enforced birth control and receive welfare, or no welfare.
I don't give a damn if they're lying in the gutters. I'm sick of paying
for benefits that others receive. Welfare recipients in AZ have the
benefit of AHCCCS, which provide absolutely free health care to any extent.
Many times I cannot even afford the copay for my medications.

That's fair?

BS

It's almost an inviting proposition to quit my job and live off the dole.

> Yah, right.
>
> <sigh>
>
> The solution is education. Truly.
>
> Statistically, educated women have fewer children. That's especially
> been proven in India.

We not in India, and we hardly have the same culture.

--
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:35:19 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
>>> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
>>> seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
>> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
>> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
>> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
>> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
>> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> The vast majority are the children of unwed mothers.
>
> Outlaw reproduction outside of wedlock?
>
> Yah, right.
>
> <sigh>
>

some people just have a problem living in a free society, or, more
precisely, a society where *other* people are also free.

your pal,
blake

Yes, educated women do have fewer children...but FIRST ya gotta educate
them to NOT have their first child at 15 or 16.

In the "welfare ccycle", one girl has her first baby at 15, is a
grandmother by 33 and a great grandmother by 50. People repeat wwhat
they experience as "reality". A child who knows her great grandmother
is a welfare recip, whose mom is a recip also, pretty much sees having
kids young and getting on the wellfare roll as the norm---it's what
people do. Three generations of highschool dropouts having babies
doesnt tend to establish the concept of staying UNpregnant, finishing
school and going ON to college in the wellfare child.

Something needs to happen to break this cycle.

TigerLilly

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs
>>>>> to any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the
>>>>> bill for the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all
>>>>> benefits after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can
>>>>> find a real job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our
>>>>> nation's welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass
>>>>> polyps in suits out there lobbying for even more rights for these
>>>>> lazy sloths.
>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that
>>> the most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of
>>> blacks on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only
>>> 12% of the population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are
>>> women.
>>>
>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>
>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient
>> could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What
>> you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there
>> are so many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that
>> irritates me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother
>> marching into the welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of
>> these people are unemployed by choice or lack of even the most
>> rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work. With our present
>> system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping out kids
>> like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional benefits
>> for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves
> and those who cannot support themselves and then have more children
> than they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate
> that those who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and
> racist by claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men.
> The facts do not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>

professional people have children who usually become professional people.
Parents who have been to college usually have children who go to college.
Smokers children usually smoke. Welfare babies usually go on welfare. This
isn't 100% true but true enough.

The idea is to break this cycle in welfare recipience. It is a well known
cycle...the problem is the fix hasn't been found yet.

--

The beet goes on -Alan

"hahabogus" > wrote

> The idea is to break this cycle in welfare recipience. It is a well known
> cycle...the problem is the fix hasn't been found yet.

Where I live they put a 5 year lifetime limit on welfare. Last
I heard, you didn't get extra funds if you had additional children
after you were on welfare. That's a simple overview, but you
get the idea. Training programs were set up for people who
needed it.

It might not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
Nothing wrong with If you can work, work.

nancy

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:37:48a, hahabogus told us...

> Dave Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>>
>>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs
>>>>>> to any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the
>>>>>> bill for the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all
>>>>>> benefits after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can
>>>>>> find a real job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our
>>>>>> nation's welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass
>>>>>> polyps in suits out there lobbying for even more rights for these
>>>>>> lazy sloths.
>>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that
>>>> the most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>>>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>>>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>>>> racist.
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>>>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>>>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of
>>>> blacks on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only
>>>> 12% of the population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are
>>>> women.
>>>>
>>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient
>>> could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What
>>> you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there
>>> are so many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that
>>> irritates me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother
>>> marching into the welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of
>>> these people are unemployed by choice or lack of even the most
>>> rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work. With our present
>>> system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping out kids
>>> like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional benefits
>>> for each child they have.
>>>
>>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves
>> and those who cannot support themselves and then have more children
>> than they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate
>> that those who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and
>> racist by claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men.
>> The facts do not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>>
>
> professional people have children who usually become professional people.
> Parents who have been to college usually have children who go to college.
> Smokers children usually smoke. Welfare babies usually go on welfare.
This
> isn't 100% true but true enough.
>
> The idea is to break this cycle in welfare recipience. It is a well known
> cycle...the problem is the fix hasn't been found yet.
>

No more welfare. Work or starve.

--
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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:27:29a, Dave Smith told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real
>>>>> job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's
>>>>> welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits
>>>>> out there lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
>>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks
>>> on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the
>>> population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>>
>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>
>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
>> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you
>> can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so
>> many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates
>> me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
>> welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are
>> unemployed by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and
>> have no desire to work. With our present system they know they don't
>> have to, yet they keep popping out kids like it ws a hobby, and they
>> know they'll receive additional benefits for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

Indeed, and I don't know what the solution is either. I just know that the
current system is grossly unfair to those who make every effort to support
themselves and their families and end up paying for those who don't.

Too bad there isn't an unpopulated island somewhere where they could all be
shipped.

--
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On Sep 14, 3:18*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:27:29a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>
> >>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
> >>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
> >>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
> >>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
> >>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
> >>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real
> >>>>> job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's
> >>>>> welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits
> >>>>> out there lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
> >>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
> >>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
> >>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
> >>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
> >>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
> >>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
> >>> racist.
>
> >>> Many of them are neither men nor women. *They are children. *Five
> >>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
> >>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans *who
> >>> account for 37%. *Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks
> >>> on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the
> >>> population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>
> >>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
> >>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>
> >>> * *http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>
> >> Whatever... *Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> >> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> >> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. *What you
> >> can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. *It's no wonder there are so
> >> many children on the welfare rolls. *One of the things that irritates
> >> me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
> >> welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are
> >> unemployed by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and
> >> have no desire to work. *With our present system they know they don't
> >> have to, yet they keep popping out kids like it ws a hobby, and they
> >> know they'll receive additional benefits for each child they have.
>
> >> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
> >> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
> >> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> > I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> > resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> > those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> > they cannot afford. * I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> > who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> > claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> > not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> Indeed, and I don't know what the solution is either. *I just know that the
> current system is grossly unfair to those who make every effort to support
> themselves and their families and end up paying for those who don't.

Reform the education system, put a lot , and I mean a lot, of money
into neo-natal cre and early childhood education, change some of the
labour and welfare laws that usually work to make it better to stay on
welfare, institute a decent health care system that covers the working
poor.

Try spending money on programs to rehabilitate prisonners, rather than
warehousing them. Include real vocational training.


> Too bad there isn't an unpopulated island somewhere where they could all be
> shipped.
>
Australia is not accepting new immigrants. Oh and the Brits still have
crime and welfare problems

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

My proposal is that we agree to pay for their upkeep,
but they are required to move somewhere where those costs
are cheapest, and we can contract out the upkeep to the
lowest bidder. Russia and Mexico come to mind.

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 12:26:21p, Mark Thorson told us...

> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
>> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
>> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
>> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
>> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
>> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
>> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
>
> My proposal is that we agree to pay for their upkeep,
> but they are required to move somewhere where those costs
> are cheapest, and we can contract out the upkeep to the
> lowest bidder. Russia and Mexico come to mind.
>

Or an unpopulated island.

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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>>>>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>>>>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>>>>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
>>>> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
>>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
>>> sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
>>> recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.
>>>
>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
>>> the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
>>> for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
>>> than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
>>> Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>>
>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>
>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
>> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
>> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
>> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most
>> is seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare
>> office with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by
>> choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to
>> work. With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they
>> keep popping out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive
>> additional benefits for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
>> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
>> seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I resent
> having to help support people who will not support themselves and those
> who cannot support themselves and then have more children than they cannot
> afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those who point out
> the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by claiming that most
> welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do not support that. In
> fact, it is the exact opposite.


I think if you wish to solve the problem you are going to have to reverse
the climate started by President Lynden Johnson. Although it created a
wonderful social safety net, it also unfortunately created a welfare culture
in some parts of our society. One could however argue it it had not been
Johnson someone else would have done the same.

Below is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

The Great Society was a set of domestic programs proposed or enacted in the
United States on the initiative of President Lyndon B. Johnson. Two main
goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty
and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education,
medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this
period. The Great Society in scope and sweep resembled the New Deal domestic
agenda of Franklin D. Roosevelt, but differed sharply in types of programs
enacted. Some Great Society proposals were stalled initiatives from John F.
Kennedy's New Frontier. Johnson's success depended on his persuasive skills,
coupled with the Democratic landslide in the 1964 election that brought in
many new liberals to Congress. Anti-war Democrats complained that spending
on the Vietnam War choked off the Great Society. While some of the programs
have been eliminated or had their funding reduced, many of them, including
Medicare, Medicaid, and federal education funding, continue to the present.
The Great Society's programs expanded exponentially under the
administrations of Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.[1]

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote
> I think if you wish to solve the problem you are going to have to reverse
> the climate started by President Lynden Johnson. Although it created a
> wonderful social safety net, it also unfortunately created a welfare
> culture in some parts of our society.

That crippled at least three generations of Americans. Clinton's welfare
reforms were a step in the right direction and actually pretty harsh in my
opinion. But they reduced the welfare rolls.

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:27:29 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
>> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
>> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
>> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most is
>> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare office
>> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
>> or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
>> With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping
>> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
>> benefits for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
>> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
>> seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. You can't let them starve, but I
> resent having to help support people who will not support themselves and
> those who cannot support themselves and then have more children than
> they cannot afford. I also resent the attempts to insinuate that those
> who point out the obvious are passed off as sexist and racist by
> claiming that most welfare recipients are single white men. The facts do
> not support that. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

white women are the exact opposite?

your pal,
blake

In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
> > actually single white males is absolutely false.
> >
> > http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
> >
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most is
> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare office
> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping
> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> benefits for each child they have.
>
> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.

It needs a serious overhaul.
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"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 09:32:28a, Omelet told us...

> In article 7>,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>> > actually single white males is absolutely false.
>> >
>> > http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>> >
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
>> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you
>> can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so
>> many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates
>> me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
>> welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are
>> unemployed by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and
>> have no desire to work. With our present system they know they don't
>> have to, yet they keep popping out kids like it ws a hobby, and they
>> know they'll receive additional benefits for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.

It does, indeed!

> It needs a serious overhaul.

And it needs to be at shock level. Boom! No more freeloading. Get a damn
job or don't eat.

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In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> > The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
>
> It does, indeed!
>
> > It needs a serious overhaul.
>
> And it needs to be at shock level. Boom! No more freeloading. Get a damn
> job or don't eat.

No argument there...
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"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Sep 14, 3:22*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:

> > It needs a serious overhaul.
>
> And it needs to be at shock level. *Boom! *No more freeloading. *Get a damn
> job or don't eat.

It's a lot faster to get a gun. Starve or shoot ?

I remember a a quote from a poor black kid in Detroit from 20-25 years
ago which went something like : If I have a choice between shooting
the guy or not eating , I'll kill the F....!

I always thought that made quite a bit of sense.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Sep 14, 12:32*pm, Omelet > wrote:
>
> The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.

Cite?

And if it does, why? Has society made it so difficult to excape that
it is not even worth trying?

What is the breakdown of the people on welfare in your community?

Just how much money do they get?

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

In article
>,
John Kane > wrote:

> On Sep 14, 12:32*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> >
> > The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
>
> Cite?

Oh please!

>
> And if it does, why? Has society made it so difficult to excape that
> it is not even worth trying?

Yes.

>
> What is the breakdown of the people on welfare in your community?

I live in South Texas.

>
> Just how much money do they get?

Enough to survive, but I'm not happy about supporting freeloaders. Are
you?

>
> John Kane Kingston ON Canada

The USA is not as socialist as Canada is, yet.

What is your income tax rate?
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"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

In article >,
says...
> In article 7>,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
> > > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
> > > actually single white males is absolutely false.
> > >
> > > http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
> > >
> >
> > Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> > recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> > have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> > afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> > children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most is
> > seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare office
> > with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> > or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> > With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping
> > out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> > benefits for each child they have.
> >
> > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> > bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> > seem to be in the vast minority.
> >
> > --
> > Wayne Boatwright
>
> The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
>
> It needs a serious overhaul.
>

So tell me since you're the expert, what reforms would you make to the
welfare system?

In article > ,
T > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > In article 7>,
> > Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> >
> > > > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
> > > > actually single white males is absolutely false.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
> > > >
> > >
> > > Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> > > recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> > > have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> > > afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> > > children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most
> > > is
> > > seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare
> > > office
> > > with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> > > or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> > > With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep
> > > popping
> > > out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> > > benefits for each child they have.
> > >
> > > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> > > bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> > > seem to be in the vast minority.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Wayne Boatwright
> >
> > The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
> >
> > It needs a serious overhaul.
> >
>
> So tell me since you're the expert, what reforms would you make to the
> welfare system?

Government work programs. I already stated that.

Give them the welfare they need, but make them work for it.
It really is that simple...

I believe in helping people, just not in giving them a totally free
ride. I work hard for the money I make.
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"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs to
>>>> any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill for
>>>> the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all benefits
>>>> after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can find a real job
>>>> and above all, keep up with current affairs in our nation's welfare
>>>> program. There is no shortage of liberal ass polyps in suits out there
>>>> lobbying for even more rights for these lazy sloths.
>>>
>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually single
>>> white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>
>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that the
>> most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the common
>> sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of welfare
>> recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and racist.
>>
>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children. Of
>> the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who account
>> for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks on welfare
>> than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the population.
>> Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>
>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>
>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most
> is
> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare
> office
> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep
> popping
> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> benefits for each child they have.
>
> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> seem to be in the vast minority.
>

Are all of you bitches forgetting how drastically the welfare rolls were
reduced during President Clinton's two administrations?

"The Kat" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:53:57 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> WHAT in the **** does this thread have to do with food??

Jonathan Swift: A Modest Proposal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal




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"The Kat" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:53:57 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> WHAT in the **** does this thread have to do with food??
>
> --
>

WHAT in the **** does yours have to do with food? OR ANY OF THE OTHERS IN
THIS THREAD? Hmmm, asswipe"? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

The Kat > fnord
:

> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:53:57 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> WHAT in the **** does this thread have to do with food??
>

Food stamps buy food

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Saerah

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wrote:
>Food stamps buy food

Not always. They're often illegally exchanged for cash to buy tobacco,
alcohol, drugs and junk food. Also, given the high surpluses most farms
endure, why is produce so expensive and why do few food banks offer
plentiful produce to people whose diets so desperately need it?

Orlando

Wayne Boatwright > fnord
5.247:

> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs
>>>> to any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill
>>>> for the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all
>>>> benefits after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can
>>>> find a real job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our
>>>> nation's welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass
>>>> polyps in suits out there lobbying for even more rights for these
>>>> lazy sloths.
>>>
>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>
>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that
>> the most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>> racist.
>>
>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks
>> on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the
>> population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>
>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>
>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient
> could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What
> you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there
> are so many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that
> irritates me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother
> marching into the welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of
> these people are unemployed by choice or lack of even the most
> rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work. With our present
> system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping out kids
> like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional benefits
> for each child they have.
>

Most adults on AFDC only have one or two children.

> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>

When welfare gives you a higher net income, why work a minimum wage job?


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"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 10:52:15a, Saerah Gray told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > fnord
> 5.247:
>
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:10:38a, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First, nigs on welfare. Because
>>>>> these women can't seem to understand the concept of using birth
>>>>> control and because they appear all to eager to spread their legs
>>>>> to any Tom, Dick or Tyrone, our government is left footing the bill
>>>>> for the resulting future car thieves. A solution? Cut off all
>>>>> benefits after 1 year. Educate the ones who want it so they can
>>>>> find a real job and above all, keep up with current affairs in our
>>>>> nation's welfare program. There is no shortage of liberal ass
>>>>> polyps in suits out there lobbying for even more rights for these
>>>>> lazy sloths.
>>>>
>>>> Contrary to your portrayal, most welfare recipients are actually
>>>> single white men. What would you suggest we do with them?
>>>
>>> This is not the first time I have seen someone make the claim that
>>> the most welfare recipients are white men. there by invalidating the
>>> common sense and anecdotal observation on the gender and race of
>>> welfare recipients as factually inaccurate and therefore false and
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Many of them are neither men nor women. They are children. Five
>>> million of the 14 million people on welfare in the US are children.
>>> Of the adults, 38% are white, outnumbering African Americans who
>>> account for 37%. Technically there is a greater percentage of blacks
>>> on welfare than whites....1% more, but blacks make up only 12% of the
>>> population. Of the adults on welfare, 90% of them are women.
>>>
>>> In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients are
>>> actually single white males is absolutely false.
>>>
>>> http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>>>
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient
>> could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What
>> you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there
>> are so many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that
>> irritates me most is seeing an indigent family or single mother
>> marching into the welfare office with 8 kids in tow, because most of
>> these people are unemployed by choice or lack of even the most
>> rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work. With our present
>> system they know they don't have to, yet they keep popping out kids
>> like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional benefits
>> for each child they have.
>>
>
> Most adults on AFDC only have one or two children.

Not in AZ.

>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>
> When welfare gives you a higher net income, why work a minimum wage job?

Reduce or eliminate welfare altogether. Let them fend for themselves.

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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote
> Reduce or eliminate welfare altogether. Let them fend for themselves.

You're a pig. This is why awful things happen to you, in case you ever
wonder.

"Saerah Gray" > wrote in message
>
> When welfare gives you a higher net income, why work a minimum wage job?
>

That is one problem. The Federal minimum wage is ridiculously low and some
states are not much better. There should be a time limit though, and
possibly some training - job skills help. The other problem is that you
have to WANT to do well, educate yourself, be trained and try to earn a
living.

OH, dignity and self esteem play here too. Or the lack of it.

wrote:
>That is one problem. The Federal minimum wage is ridiculously low and some
>states are not much better. There should be a time limit though, and
>possibly some training - job skills help. The other problem is that you
>have to WANT to do well, educate yourself, be trained and try to earn a
>living.
>OH, dignity and self esteem play here too. Or the lack of it.

Your ongoing assumption is that people on welfare consider their lives
care free and ideal. Most people on welfare turn to it as a last ditch
supplemental economic option, one of many including traditional jobs and
participation in informal or illegal economies. It has little to do with
self esteem and more to do with life costing more than low wage salaries
can purchase.

Orlando

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Saerah Gray" > wrote in message
>> When welfare gives you a higher net income, why work a minimum wage job?
>>
>
> That is one problem. The Federal minimum wage is ridiculously low and some
> states are not much better. There should be a time limit though, and
> possibly some training - job skills help. The other problem is that you
> have to WANT to do well, educate yourself, be trained and try to earn a
> living.



It is interesting to note that the US Senate blocked increases in
federal minimum wages for years, but over the same period they voted
themselves a number of raises totaling something like $28,000 per year,
which is about double annual income of a person earning minimum wage.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
>
> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you can't
> afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so many
> children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates me most
> is
> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare
> office
> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by choice
> or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire to work.
> With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they keep
> popping
> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
> benefits for each child they have.
>
> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by their
> bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment. Unfortunately, they
> seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright


You watch who goes in and out of the welfare office? Do you actually know
the rules for recieving welfare? How do you know they're recieving welfare
and not just food stamps?

They reformed the welfare system back in 1996. The rules have changed a
lot.

Ms P

On Mon 15 Sep 2008 08:01:24a, Ms P told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>>
>> Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult welfare
>> recipients and limited the number of children a welfare recipient could
>> have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could receive. What you
>> can't afford to have, you shouldn't have. It's no wonder there are so
>> many children on the welfare rolls. One of the things that irritates
>> me most is
>> seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the welfare
>> office
>> with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed by
>> choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have no desire
>> to work. With our present system they know they don't have to, yet they
>> keep popping
>> out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive additional
>> benefits for each child they have.
>>
>> There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up by
>> their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
>> Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
>
> You watch who goes in and out of the welfare office? Do you actually
> know the rules for recieving welfare? How do you know they're recieving
> welfare and not just food stamps?
>
> They reformed the welfare system back in 1996. The rules have changed a
> lot.
>
> Ms P
>
>

I am aware of quite a lot second hand, but documented. I work for a not-
for-profit mental health agency where most of our clients are on various
state programs.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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