Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!

Indian fry bread topped with beans, (I use homemade chili,) ground
beef, lettuce, tomato and cheese. It was really quite good. See how
puffy it is. mmmmm
http://i33.tinypic.com/9pt4au.jpg

Now this is a good fry bread.
http://i37.tinypic.com/30ttqhj.jpg

koko
There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 9/12

On Sep 14, 7:49*pm, koko > wrote:
> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>
> Indian fry bread topped with beans, (I use homemade chili,) ground
> beef, lettuce, tomato and cheese. It was really quite good. See how
> puffy it is. mmmmmhttp://i33.tinypic.com/9pt4au.jpg
>
> Now this is a good fry bread.http://i37.tinypic.com/30ttqhj.jpg

Boy oh boy, the taco picture look exactly like the delicious Navajo
taco I had 25 years ago in arizona.

I tried to make Indian fry bread once, to duplicate, but it didn't
turn out the same and I never tried again.

How do you do it? Do you want to post your fry bread recipe?

This is one of those things I just think you have to be there to enjoy
it just right.

Karen

wrote:
>Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>
Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience and
curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread, you'll
find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations where
they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given the
most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
find it cute.

Orlando

In article >,
koko > wrote:

> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>
> Indian fry bread topped with beans, (I use homemade chili,) ground
> beef, lettuce, tomato and cheese. It was really quite good. See how
> puffy it is. mmmmm
> http://i33.tinypic.com/9pt4au.jpg
>
> Now this is a good fry bread.
> http://i37.tinypic.com/30ttqhj.jpg
>
> koko
> There is no love more sincere than the love of food
> George Bernard Shaw
> www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
> updated 9/12

Damn that looks good!
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:29:45 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> koko > wrote:
>
>> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!

>Damn that looks good!

Doesn't it though?

I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
can get fry bread there!!! That stuff is addicting! Even my
Australian visitor loved it!!

Christine

In article >,
Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:

> Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience and
> curiosity.

From what I read, she finds Indian tacos to be tasty. She had no
expectation of being attacked. Get off your high horse or proslyletize
your point of view to a political group.

leo (from Paiute country)

Orlando Enrique Fiol > fnord
:

> wrote:
>>Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>>fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>>didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>>
> Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience
and
> curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread,
you'll
> find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
> settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations
where
> they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given
the
> most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does
that
> sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly
nutritious
> or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
> find it cute.
>

You could say the same for much of "soul food".

It might not be so good for you, or historically traditional, but
frybread is awesome. I am sure that many of us are aware of how the dish
came about. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a dish that was
invented out of necessity.

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:17:58 GMT, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

> wrote:
>>Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>>fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>>didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>>
> Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience and
> curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread, you'll
> find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
> settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations where
> they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given the
> most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
> sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
> or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
> find it cute.
>
> Orlando

jeez, ease up a little, orlando. sometimes a fry bread taco is just a fry
bread taco.

your pal,
blake

On Sep 15, 7:27*am, Saerah Gray > wrote:
> Orlando Enrique Fiol > . net:
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >>Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
> >>fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
> >>didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>
> > Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience
> and
> > curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread,
> you'll
> > find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
> > settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations
> where
> > they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given
> the
> > most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does
> that
> > sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly
> nutritious
> > or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
> > find it cute.
>
> You could say the same for much of "soul food".
>
> It might not be so good for you, or historically traditional, but
> frybread is awesome. I am sure that many of us are aware of how the dish
> came about. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a dish that was
> invented out of necessity.
>
> --
> Saerah
>
> "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! *Adapt or haul ass!"
> - some hillbilly from FL

==================================

Ever wondered why the first Native American food white people from
Arizona to Michigan taste is "fry bread"? It seems to be indigenous
in many First Nation cultures.In the early 1900s when commodity food
was doled doled out (sparingly) by the US Gov't to Native Americans
they got white flour, salt, sugar and lard. About the only thing you
can make with those ingredients is fried dough. (OK there were
probably beans too)

I THINK the Native Americans in the southwest [Navajo, Hopi etc.] may
have introduced the chiles much later along with commodity cheese .

I love fry bread. Why not? It's the four things in the world I'm
supposed to shun like plague: pork fat, white flour, white sugar and
salt. WHY is that stuff so good?

Lynn in Fargo
Likes fry bread sundaes
(still warm sugar dusted fry bread with ice cream and hot fudge)

On Sep 14, 11:17*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
> Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience and
> curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread, you'll
> find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
> settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations where
> they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given the
> most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
> sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
> or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
> find it cute.

The origin you mentioned is interesting and you could have merely
stated the facts without the judgement. Otherwise, you'd have a beef
against every cuisine. The origin of chitlins and other "peasant"
foods for example, were created to make ends meet.

In South America, Indian fry bread is called cachanga.

Karen

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:17:58 GMT, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> >>Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
> >>fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
> >>didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
> >>
> > Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience and
> > curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread, you'll
> > find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
> > settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations where
> > they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given the
> > most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
> > sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
> > or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
> > find it cute.
> >
> > Orlando
>
> jeez, ease up a little, orlando. sometimes a fry bread taco is just a fry
> bread taco.
>
> your pal,
> blake

<lol> Like a good cigar...
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Sep 15, 12:06*am, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
> can get fry bread there!!! *That stuff is addicting! *Even my
> Australian visitor loved it!!

Won't mention that the bread alone is 27g of fat and 700 calories,
without the good topping.

I bet it is good in NM!

Karen

In article
>,
Lynn from Fargo > wrote:

> Likes fry bread sundaes
> (still warm sugar dusted fry bread with ice cream and hot fudge)

Two words.

Funnel cakes. ;-d

With powdered sugar and cinnamon.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

> most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
> sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
> or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
> find it cute.
>
> Orlando

You better lasso that high horse before it leaves without you.

N.

On Sep 15, 10:36*am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
> On Sep 15, 7:27*am, Saerah Gray > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Orlando Enrique Fiol > . net:
>
> > > wrote:
> > >>Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
> > >>fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
> > >>didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>
> > > Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience
> > and
> > > curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread,
> > you'll
> > > find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
> > > settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations
> > where
> > > they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given
> > the
> > > most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does
> > that
> > > sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly
> > nutritious
> > > or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
> > > find it cute.
>
> > You could say the same for much of "soul food".
>
> > It might not be so good for you, or historically traditional, but
> > frybread is awesome. I am sure that many of us are aware of how the dish
> > came about. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a dish that was
> > invented out of necessity.
>
> > --
> > Saerah
>
> > "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! *Adapt or haul ass!"
> > - some hillbilly from FL
>
> ==================================
>
> Ever wondered why the first Native American food white people from
> Arizona to Michigan taste is "fry bread"? *It seems to be indigenous
> in many First Nation cultures.In the early 1900s when commodity food
> was doled doled out (sparingly) by the US Gov't to Native Americans
> they got white flour, salt, sugar and lard. About the only thing you
> can make with those ingredients is fried dough. (OK there were
> probably beans too)
>
> I THINK the Native Americans in the southwest [Navajo, Hopi etc.] may
> have introduced the chiles much later along with commodity cheese .
>
> I love fry bread. Why not? It's the four things in the world I'm
> supposed to shun like plague: pork fat, white flour, white sugar and
> salt. WHY is that stuff so good?
>
> Lynn in Fargo
> Likes fry bread sundaes
> (still warm sugar dusted fry bread with ice cream and hot fudge)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey, Lynne, when I lived in OKC, the summer arts fair always had
dessert fry breads - loaded up with fresh strawberries and whipped
cream. To die for.

N.

Karen wrote:
>
> On Sep 15, 12:06 am, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> > I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
> > can get fry bread there!!! That stuff is addicting! Even my
> > Australian visitor loved it!!
>
> Won't mention that the bread alone is 27g of fat and 700 calories,
> without the good topping.
>
> I bet it is good in NM!
>
> Karen

Fry bread topped with wood-roasted lamb or mutton and topped with
freshly-roasted green chile!!

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:29:45 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> koko > wrote:
>
>> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>>
>> Indian fry bread topped with beans, (I use homemade chili,) ground
>> beef, lettuce, tomato and cheese. It was really quite good. See how
>> puffy it is. mmmmm
>> http://i33.tinypic.com/9pt4au.jpg
>>
>> Now this is a good fry bread.
>> http://i37.tinypic.com/30ttqhj.jpg
>>
>> koko
>> There is no love more sincere than the love of food
>> George Bernard Shaw
>> www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
>> updated 9/12
>
>Damn that looks good!

It was delicious, they did a good job of it. It's prompting me to make
some again.

koko

There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 9/12

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:06:05 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:29:45 -0500, Omelet >
>wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> koko > wrote:
>>
>>> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>>> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>>> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>
>>Damn that looks good!
>
>Doesn't it though?
>
>I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
>can get fry bread there!!! That stuff is addicting! Even my
>Australian visitor loved it!!
>
>Christine

Dang, fry bread at the fair. I remember many a fair and Pow Wow in
Santa Fe where nothing was better than sitting on the street curb
eating fry bread.

koko
There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 9/12

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:43:23 -0700 (PDT), Karen >
wrote:

>On Sep 15, 12:06*am, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
>> can get fry bread there!!! *That stuff is addicting! *Even my
>> Australian visitor loved it!!
>
>Won't mention that the bread alone is 27g of fat and 700 calories,
>without the good topping.
>
Ahem...you did. ;-) but that's no deterrent for us fry bread lovers.
My recipe has 308 calories and 5 g of fat.

>I bet it is good in NM!

>Karen

koko
There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 9/12

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:59:42 -0600, Arri London >
wrote:

>
>
>Karen wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 15, 12:06 am, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> > I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
>> > can get fry bread there!!! That stuff is addicting! Even my
>> > Australian visitor loved it!!
>>
>> Won't mention that the bread alone is 27g of fat and 700 calories,
>> without the good topping.
>>
>> I bet it is good in NM!
>>
>> Karen
>
>Fry bread topped with wood-roasted lamb or mutton and topped with
>freshly-roasted green chile!!

I tried but I couldn't get accustomed to the mutton. Lamb yep, great.

koko
There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 9/12

"koko" > wrote in message
...
>
> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>
> Indian fry bread topped with beans, (I use homemade chili,) ground
> beef, lettuce, tomato and cheese. It was really quite good. See how
> puffy it is. mmmmm
> http://i33.tinypic.com/9pt4au.jpg
>
> Now this is a good fry bread.
> http://i37.tinypic.com/30ttqhj.jpg
>
> koko
> There is no love more sincere than the love of food
> George Bernard Shaw
> www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
> updated 9/12

koko...

Where did you find it on a menu?

kimberly
--
http://eating-sandiego.blogspot.com

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:43:23 -0700 (PDT), Karen >
wrote:

>On Sep 15, 12:06*am, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
>> can get fry bread there!!! *That stuff is addicting! *Even my
>> Australian visitor loved it!!
>
>Won't mention that the bread alone is 27g of fat and 700 calories,
>without the good topping.
>
>I bet it is good in NM!
>
>Karen

Karen, here is the recipe you requested. Just be sure and not over
handle the dough. Pat out and stretch don't roll the dough.

It is a recipe I got from a Navajo woman in Farmington, New Mexico.
The notations I made are in parenthesis.

I hope you try it.

@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

Navajo Fry Bread (Rosita's)

breads

2 cups flour; ap
2 teaspoons baking powder
1/2 teaspoon salt; table
1/2 cup powdered milk
warm water

Slowly add warm water to form dough;. kneed until dough is soft but
not sticky, (being careful not to overwork the dough) cover with cloth
and allow to stand for 2 hours. shape into balls about 2 inches
across, then flatten by patting with hands until a circle about 8
inchs in diameter is formed. Put about 1/2 inch of lard or
other shortening in a large frying pan and heat until quite hot.
(center of the circle should be thinner than the edges. Poke a hole in
the center of the circle before gently lowering into the lard. Fry
until golden brown and puffing up, turn and brown other side.)

Source:
"Kayenta Navajo reservation From my Grandma Helen's Teachers Aid and
friend Rosita"

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Per Serving (excluding unknown items): 308 Calories; 5g Fat (14.4%
calories from fat); 11g Protein; 54g Carbohydrate; 2g Dietary Fiber;
16mg Cholesterol; 571mg Sodium. Exchanges: 3 Grain(Starch); 1/2
Non-Fat Milk; 1 Fat; 0 Other Carbohydrates.

Yield: 4 servings

** Exported from Now You're Cooking! v5.84 **

koko
There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 9/12

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:59:06 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:

>
>"koko" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>>
>> Indian fry bread topped with beans, (I use homemade chili,) ground
>> beef, lettuce, tomato and cheese. It was really quite good. See how
>> puffy it is. mmmmm
>> http://i33.tinypic.com/9pt4au.jpg
>>
>> Now this is a good fry bread.
>> http://i37.tinypic.com/30ttqhj.jpg
>>
>> koko
>> There is no love more sincere than the love of food
>> George Bernard Shaw
>> www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
>> updated 9/12
>
>koko...
>
>Where did you find it on a menu?
>
>kimberly

On the La Posta Indian Reservation about 65 miles east of San Diego.
It's a very small Reservation off I8 East. Are you are familiar with
the Golden Acorn Casino that you pass on the way to AZ? Take the exit
as if you are going to the Golden Acorn except turn left not right.
Follow the road on up the hill and there you are.

I hope you and your family get a chance to take a drive out this way.
I'd be thrilled to meet you all there.

koko
There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 9/12

Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
> wrote:
>> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>>
> Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience and
> curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread, you'll
> find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
> settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations where
> they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given the
> most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
> sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
> or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
> find it cute.

No one said it's cute. She said it was novel to find it on a menu
outside of a particular locality.

Relax, hoss. When I first got to this part of the country (Utah), I took
a good look at what they called Navajo tacos and about died laughing.
They call the same sort of fried dough "scones" here, too. Go to any
Sconecutter and that's what's there, covered in whatever "scone"
accompaniment you heart desires. Are they scones? Hell no! But as in the
case of the Navajo taco, it's not about ancient origins and it's not
about verisimilitude. It's about having grown up with them and knowing
them as they are.

Where I grew up, the local delicacies were fried balogna and onion on
white bread, Buffalo wings and beef on 'weck. It was difficult at that
time to find these items away from the Niagara Frontier so when we did
find them in other places, it was a big slap of sentimentality come to
call. Healthful eating? No. Worth celebrating? Oh, yeah.

To my taste, Navajo tacos are inedible. So are the local "scones." But
I'm sure they'd keep body and soul together for a while longer in a
pinch. And those who grew up with them think they're great. So be it.

wrote:
>You could say the same for much of "soul food".

I suppose so, but most soul food uses similar ingredients to white
southern food, which itself incorporates many WEst African vegetables
and tubers grown here by slaves.

>It might not be so good for you, or historically traditional, but
>frybread is awesome. I am sure that many of us are aware of how the dish
>came about. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a dish that was
>invented out of necessity.

Given the variety of real native American cuisine, why this fixation on
the simplest of dishes? Other cultures fry breads; Indian puri comes to
mind.

Orlando

wrote:
>Ever wondered why the first Native American food white people from
>Arizona to Michigan taste is "fry bread"? It seems to be indigenous
>in many First Nation cultures.

Only as far back as the early twentieth century. The least our federal
government could have done after stealing these people's lands was give
them the kinds of foods they were accustomed to eating.

>In the early 1900s when commodity food
>was doled doled out (sparingly) by the US Gov't to Native Americans
>they got white flour, salt, sugar and lard. About the only thing you
>can make with those ingredients is fried dough.

I don't know about you, but celebrating that unfortunate period of
history doesn't seem fun to me.

>I love fry bread. Why not? It's the four things in the world I'm
>supposed to shun like plague: pork fat, white flour, white sugar and
>salt. WHY is that stuff so good?

Because you're supposed to shun it. Guaranteed, if you had to eat fry
bread every day because there was nothing else, you'd hate it.

Orlando

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:03:41 GMT, Orlando Enrique Fiol
> wrote:


>Given the variety of real native American cuisine, why this fixation on
>the simplest of dishes?

Cause it tastes good? Good enough reason to me..

Christine

On Sep 15, 8:07*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
> I don't know about you, but celebrating that unfortunate period of
> history doesn't seem fun to me.

Conquerors, imperialists, dictators, have been a part of the entire
human history. The celebration comes in the survivalists.

Karen

On Sep 15, 5:04*pm, koko > wrote:
> Karen, here is the recipe you requested. Just be sure and not over
> handle the dough. Pat out and stretch don't roll the dough.
>
> It is a recipe I got from a Navajo woman in Farmington, New Mexico.
> The notations I made are in parenthesis.
>
> I hope you try it.
[snip saved recipe]

Thanks! Maybe I will soon give it a go! it will be a fun party food...

Karen

On Sep 15, 5:29*pm, koko > wrote:
> On the La Posta Indian Reservation about 65 miles east of San Diego.
> It's a very small Reservation off I8 East. Are you are familiar with
> the Golden Acorn Casino that you pass on the way to AZ? *Take the exit
> as if you are going to the Golden Acorn except turn left not right.
> Follow the road on up the hill and there you are.
>
> I hope you and your family get a chance to take a drive out this way.
> I'd be thrilled to meet you all there.

I've had Navajo tacos in rurual North Dakota. A couple of Chippewa
women were making them along the roadside.

Karen

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:42:12 -0700 (PDT), Karen wrote:

> On Sep 14, 11:17*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
>> Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience and
>> curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread, you'll
>> find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
>> settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations where
>> they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given the
>> most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
>> sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
>> or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
>> find it cute.
>
> The origin you mentioned is interesting and you could have merely
> stated the facts without the judgement. Otherwise, you'd have a beef
> against every cuisine. The origin of chitlins and other "peasant"
> foods for example, were created to make ends meet.
>

that's right. they invented cake because they ran out of bread.

your pal,
marie

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:12:54 -0600, Pennyaline wrote:

> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> Today was the first time since I left New Mexico that I've seen Indian
>>> fry bread on a restaurant menu. Today I had an Indian taco that I
>>> didn't have to make myself. Wahoooo!!!!
>>>
>> Every dish in this world is not put here to satisfy your convenience and
>> curiosity. If you actually ask Native Americans about fry bread, you'll
>> find that it never was a part of their historical diet until white
>> settlers and the federal government forced them on to reservations where
>> they could not hunt or farm as they once did. There, they were given the
>> most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
>> sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
>> or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
>> find it cute.
>
> No one said it's cute. She said it was novel to find it on a menu
> outside of a particular locality.
>
>
> Where I grew up, the local delicacies were fried balogna and onion on
> white bread, Buffalo wings and beef on 'weck. It was difficult at that
> time to find these items away from the Niagara Frontier so when we did
> find them in other places, it was a big slap of sentimentality come to
> call. Healthful eating? No. Worth celebrating? Oh, yeah.

i'd never heard of beef on 'weck, but it sounds tasty indeed from the wiki
page description:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kummelweck>

your pal,
blake

In article >,
Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:

> Given the variety of real native American cuisine, why this fixation on
> the simplest of dishes? Other cultures fry breads; Indian puri comes to
> mind.
>
> Orlando

You seem to be the only person fixated.
--
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on "A Prairie Home Companion," <http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/
programs/2008/08/30/>

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
>> most essential foodstuffs, from which fry bread was born. Now, does that
>> sound like something worth celebrating? It's not particularly nutritious
>> or healthy for native people to consume in large quantities, yet you
>> find it cute.
>>
>> Orlando
>
> You better lasso that high horse before it leaves without you.

What a fabulous rejoinder! I often say that "you need to come down from
that horse before your nose starts to bleed" but I like yours better.

TammyM

"koko" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:43:23 -0700 (PDT), Karen >
> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 15, 12:06 am, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>>> I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
>>> can get fry bread there!!! That stuff is addicting! Even my
>>> Australian visitor loved it!!
>>
>>Won't mention that the bread alone is 27g of fat and 700 calories,
>>without the good topping.
>>
> Ahem...you did. ;-) but that's no deterrent for us fry bread lovers.
> My recipe has 308 calories and 5 g of fat.
<snip>

Wow Koko! Way to go cutting the cals/fat! What kind of fat is used in your
recipe? As I understand it (and I'm probably wrong), "true" fry bread is
made with lard, correct?

TammyM

On Sep 16, 11:50*am, "TammyM" > wrote:
> Wow Koko! *Way to go cutting the cals/fat! *What kind of fat is used in your
> recipe? *As I understand it (and I'm probably wrong), "true" fry bread is
> made with lard, correct?

Koko's posted recipe included lard. I'm having a hard time believing
it's so low in fat and calories, actually.

Karen

koko wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:59:42 -0600, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Karen wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 15, 12:06 am, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> >> > I might have to get myself to the NM state fair this week...I know I
> >> > can get fry bread there!!! That stuff is addicting! Even my
> >> > Australian visitor loved it!!
> >>
> >> Won't mention that the bread alone is 27g of fat and 700 calories,
> >> without the good topping.
> >>
> >> I bet it is good in NM!
> >>
> >> Karen
> >
> >Fry bread topped with wood-roasted lamb or mutton and topped with
> >freshly-roasted green chile!!
>
> I tried but I couldn't get accustomed to the mutton. Lamb yep, great.
>
> koko


Happy to eat either one. The local Native Americans are very *proud* of
their fry bread and tacos and they generate a lot of income with them.
We never have fry bread except that made by those groups.

On an interesting note, someone I used to e-chat with years ago claimed
Native ancestry so we used to talk those sorts of food. However she had
me going when she said the various Native groups were making wheat flour
tortillas/breads *before* the Spanish came. Given that wheat isn't a
native New World crop, this seems unlikely.

Karen wrote:
>
> On Sep 15, 8:07 pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
> > I don't know about you, but celebrating that unfortunate period of
> > history doesn't seem fun to me.
>
> Conquerors, imperialists, dictators, have been a part of the entire
> human history. The celebration comes in the survivalists.
>
> Karen


If the Native Americans don't mind making, eating and selling frybread
(and they do not), no reason for anyone else to forego it.

Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:

> Given the variety of real native American cuisine, why this
> fixation on the simplest of dishes? Other cultures fry breads;
> Indian puri comes to mind.

The simple answer is, the Navaho are the largest indigenous tribe
in the U.S., wheat flour (which is obvoiusly not native to
their cuisine) was for a long time supplied to them in large
quantities by traders and government agents, and their primary
means of cooking is/was by outdoor grilling/frying. Being nomads,
they prefer fry bread to bread cooked in ovens, same as
nomads around the world.

Quite obviously actual native food in that area does not
contain wheat, and is based on corn, chilis, beans, squash,
nuts, game, and perhaps buffalo. But for decades fry bread
has been common, so it now counts as native.

Steve

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:06:53 -0700 (PDT), Karen wrote:

> On Sep 15, 8:07*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
>> I don't know about you, but celebrating that unfortunate period of
>> history doesn't seem fun to me.
>
> Conquerors, imperialists, dictators, have been a part of the entire
> human history. The celebration comes in the survivalists.
>
> Karen

i've always liked this brief summary of the jewish holiday *purim*:

'they tried to kill us, they failed, let's eat!'

your pal,
blake