Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is extremely
low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've served
this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they loved it.


* Exported from MasterCook *

Low Fat/Cholesterol Pumpkin Pie With Oil Pastry

Recipe By :
Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Desserts Pies


Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
-----PIE FILLING-----
1 lb Can (1-3/4 cups) pumpkin
1 c Egg substitute
3/4 c Splenda sugar substitute
1/2 ts Salt
3 ts Ground cinnamon
1 1/4 ts Ground ginger
1/2 ts Ground nutmeg
1/2 ts Ground allspice
1/2 ts Ground mace
1/4 ts Ground cloves
1 Can evaporated skim milk
(12 ounces)
1 Deep 9-inch oil-pastry shell
-----OIL PASTRY-----
1 1/3 c All-purpose flour
1/2 ts Salt
1/3 c Canola oil
3 tb Water

FOR FILLING:

Preheat oven to 425 degrees. Place pumpkin in large mixing bowl. Blend
in egg substitute, Splenda, salt, and spices; stir in evaporated milk.
Pour into unbaked pie shell. Bake 15 minutes, then reduce heat to 350
degrees. Bake about 45 minutes longer, until metal knife inserted near
center comes out clean.

FOR PASTRY:

Mix flour and salt together. After measuring oil in a measuring cup,
add water to the same cup but don't stir. Add liquid all at once to
flour mixture. Stir lightly with fork until well-mixed. Press dough
into smooth ball. Place between two 12-inch squares of waxed paper.
Roll out gently with rolling pin until pastry circle reaches edges of
paper. Peel off top sheet of paper. Lift bottom sheet of paper and
pastry by opposite corners. Flip over onto deep 9-inch pie plate. Ease
pastry into pie plate and remove waxed paper. Trim pastry and make a
high fluted edge. Makes 1 nine-inch pastry shell. You may pre-bake the
pastry if you prefer.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Per Serving: 279 Calories; 17g Fat (54.9% calories from fat); 7g Protein;
24g Carbohydrate; 2g Dietary Fiber; 1mg Cholesterol; 440mg Sodium.
Exchanges: 1 1/2 Grain(Starch); 1/2 Lean Meat; 3 Fat.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Saturday, 09(IX)/27(XXVII)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 2dys 3hrs 38mins
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I'm not confused, I'm just well mixed.
(Robert Frost)
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.250...
> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
> extremely
> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've served
> this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they loved it.
>

Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting or
poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low cholesterol
nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by eating nothing but
Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is like serving diet coke
after eating an entire chocolate cake. What difference does it make? "Yes,
I'll have the chocolate eclair please, with whipped cream ... oh and a skim
milk." Gimme a break.

Paul

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is extremely
> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've served
> this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they loved it.
>
>
> * Exported from MasterCook *
>
> Low Fat/Cholesterol Pumpkin Pie With Oil Pastry
>
> Recipe By :
> Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
> Categories : Desserts Pies
>
>
> Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
> -------- ------------ --------------------------------
> -----PIE FILLING-----
> 1 lb Can (1-3/4 cups) pumpkin
> 1 c Egg substitute
> 3/4 c Splenda sugar substitute
> 1/2 ts Salt
> 3 ts Ground cinnamon
> 1 1/4 ts Ground ginger
> 1/2 ts Ground nutmeg
> 1/2 ts Ground allspice
> 1/2 ts Ground mace
> 1/4 ts Ground cloves
> 1 Can evaporated skim milk
> (12 ounces)
> 1 Deep 9-inch oil-pastry shell
> -----OIL PASTRY-----
> 1 1/3 c All-purpose flour
> 1/2 ts Salt
> 1/3 c Canola oil
> 3 tb Water
>
> FOR FILLING:
>
> Preheat oven to 425 degrees. Place pumpkin in large mixing bowl. Blend
> in egg substitute, Splenda, salt, and spices; stir in evaporated milk.
> Pour into unbaked pie shell. Bake 15 minutes, then reduce heat to 350
> degrees. Bake about 45 minutes longer, until metal knife inserted near
> center comes out clean.
>
> FOR PASTRY:
>
> Mix flour and salt together. After measuring oil in a measuring cup,
> add water to the same cup but don't stir. Add liquid all at once to
> flour mixture. Stir lightly with fork until well-mixed. Press dough
> into smooth ball. Place between two 12-inch squares of waxed paper.
> Roll out gently with rolling pin until pastry circle reaches edges of
> paper. Peel off top sheet of paper. Lift bottom sheet of paper and
> pastry by opposite corners. Flip over onto deep 9-inch pie plate. Ease
> pastry into pie plate and remove waxed paper. Trim pastry and make a
> high fluted edge. Makes 1 nine-inch pastry shell. You may pre-bake the
> pastry if you prefer.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Per Serving: 279 Calories; 17g Fat (54.9% calories from fat); 7g Protein;
> 24g Carbohydrate; 2g Dietary Fiber; 1mg Cholesterol; 440mg Sodium.
> Exchanges: 1 1/2 Grain(Starch); 1/2 Lean Meat; 3 Fat.
>

That looks good--and the crust reminds me of the stir-n-roll,
which may have been a Betty Crocker idea. I played with adding
some wheat germ to give it a bit more texture. I wonder where the
envelope with my jottings went? I guess it has gotten lost in the
last 16 or so years! Oh darn! On the same envelope are my
alterations of a "normal" (as vs. chiffon) pumpkin pie recipe. :-(

--
Jean B.

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.250...
>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>> extremely
>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>> loved it.
>>
>
> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting or
> poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low cholesterol
> nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by eating nothing
> but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is like serving diet
> coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What difference does it
> make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair please, with whipped cream
> ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>
> Paul

I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely a
necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who need one.

Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
gluttony.

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 1dys 16hrs 7mins
*******************************************
What's that beeping noise? And
where's that smoke coming from?
*******************************************

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 05:25:03a, Jean B. told us...

> That looks good--and the crust reminds me of the stir-n-roll,
> which may have been a Betty Crocker idea. I played with adding
> some wheat germ to give it a bit more texture. I wonder where the
> envelope with my jottings went? I guess it has gotten lost in the
> last 16 or so years! Oh darn! On the same envelope are my
> alterations of a "normal" (as vs. chiffon) pumpkin pie recipe. :-(

Thanks, Jean. Yes, this is a fairly typical stir-n-roll pastry. Not
really my favorite sort, but it serves its purpose well here. I find the
results are much better if it's pre-baked before filling and then re-baking
baking the filled pie.

As to the pie on the whole, it's a good alternative for people with
diabetic and/or cardiologic issues. Despite the naysayers, it really does
taste every bit as good as a conventional pumpkin pie.

I like using toasted wheat germ in baked goods. In fact, that was the
"secret" ingredient in the Hough's brown sugar brownie recipe I posted not
so long ago. It never occurred to me to add it to pie pastry. Sounds
good.

You need to look for that envelope. :-) Years ago I determined that I
would never be able to keep up with clippings, random notes, scraps of
envelopes and paper, etc. I began photocopying them and putting them in a
ring binder. At the time I never realized it would grow to such
proportions. I am now up to 4 3-inch ring binders. I had hoped one day to
commit all that material to MasterCook, but the prospect now seems
overwhelming.



--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 1dys 15hrs 44mins
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The entire world is a very strange
carrot, but the farmer isn't worried
at all.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 5.250...
>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>> extremely
>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>> loved it.
>>>
>>
>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting or
>> poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low cholesterol
>> nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by eating nothing
>> but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is like serving diet
>> coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What difference does it
>> make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair please, with whipped cream
>> ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely a
> necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who need
> one.
>
> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
> gluttony.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

I made a better for you pie one year from a magazine to take, no one could
tell the difference.
I make a WW crustless version whenever I'm in the mood for pumpkin, which
is my favorite pie. Sometimes I just bake the filling in a dish & eat like
pudding.
I can send it privately if you'd like.

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 08:30:05a, nobody but us chickens told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 5.250...
>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>> extremely
>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>>> loved it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting
>>> or poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low
>>> cholesterol nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by
>>> eating nothing but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is
>>> like serving diet coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What
>>> difference does it make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair please,
>>> with whipped cream ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely a
>> necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who need
>> one.
>>
>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>> gluttony.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> I made a better for you pie one year from a magazine to take, no one
> could tell the difference.
> I make a WW crustless version whenever I'm in the mood for pumpkin,
> which is my favorite pie. Sometimes I just bake the filling in a dish &
> eat like pudding.
> I can send it privately if you'd like.

Yes, thank you, I would like that. My gmail address is unmunged.

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 1dys 15hrs 21mins
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Coincidence happens.
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 5.250...
>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>> extremely
>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>> loved it.
>>>
>>
>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting
>> or poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low
>> cholesterol nonsense.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely
> a necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who
> need one.
>
> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
> gluttony.


This from the man (Paul) who was practically falling all over himself
criticizing me because I don't want Mom to eat eggs 3 times a day due to her
health. Yeah, let's throw them out the window simply because it's a
"holiday".

If we were inclined to eat pie, Wayne, I'd give your recipe a shot

Jill

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 08:50:56a, jmcquown told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 5.250...
>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>> extremely
>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>>> loved it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting
>>> or poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low
>>> cholesterol nonsense.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely
>> a necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who
>> need one.
>>
>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>> gluttony.
>
>
> This from the man (Paul) who was practically falling all over himself
> criticizing me because I don't want Mom to eat eggs 3 times a day due to
> her health. Yeah, let's throw them out the window simply because it's a
> "holiday".

Good idea, Jill!

> If we were inclined to eat pie, Wayne, I'd give your recipe a shot

Thanks!

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 1dys 15hrs 2mins
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There is very little further to go
with a girl who has brought you
coffee. (John Updike)

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is extremely
> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've served
> this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they loved it.
>
>
> * Exported from MasterCook *
>
> Low Fat/Cholesterol Pumpkin Pie With Oil Pastry
>
> Recipe By :
> Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
> Categories : Desserts Pies
>
>
> Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
> -------- ------------ --------------------------------
> -----PIE FILLING-----
> 1 lb Can (1-3/4 cups) pumpkin
> 1 c Egg substitute
> 3/4 c Splenda sugar substitute
> 1/2 ts Salt
> 3 ts Ground cinnamon
> 1 1/4 ts Ground ginger
> 1/2 ts Ground nutmeg
> 1/2 ts Ground allspice
> 1/2 ts Ground mace
> 1/4 ts Ground cloves
> 1 Can evaporated skim milk
> (12 ounces)
> 1 Deep 9-inch oil-pastry shell
> -----OIL PASTRY-----
> 1 1/3 c All-purpose flour
> 1/2 ts Salt
> 1/3 c Canola oil
> 3 tb Water
>
> FOR FILLING:
>
> Preheat oven to 425 degrees. Place pumpkin in large mixing bowl. Blend
> in egg substitute, Splenda, salt, and spices; stir in evaporated milk.
> Pour into unbaked pie shell. Bake 15 minutes, then reduce heat to 350
> degrees. Bake about 45 minutes longer, until metal knife inserted near
> center comes out clean.
>
> FOR PASTRY:
>
> Mix flour and salt together. After measuring oil in a measuring cup,
> add water to the same cup but don't stir. Add liquid all at once to
> flour mixture. Stir lightly with fork until well-mixed. Press dough
> into smooth ball. Place between two 12-inch squares of waxed paper.
> Roll out gently with rolling pin until pastry circle reaches edges of
> paper. Peel off top sheet of paper. Lift bottom sheet of paper and
> pastry by opposite corners. Flip over onto deep 9-inch pie plate. Ease
> pastry into pie plate and remove waxed paper. Trim pastry and make a
> high fluted edge. Makes 1 nine-inch pastry shell. You may pre-bake the
> pastry if you prefer.
>


I simply adapted the recipe on the can of Libby's pumpkin for the same
purposes and this is the one I make:


* Exported from MasterCook *

Pumpkin Pie

Recipe By :Janet Wilder
Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : pies

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
1/2 c Egg Beaters® 99% egg substitute
1 can solid-pack pumpkin -- 15 oz
3/4 c Splenda
1/2 tsp salt
1 tsp ground cinnamon
1/2 tsp ground ginger
1/4 tsp ground cloves
1 1/2 c evaporated skim milk
1 9 inch pie shell -- deep dish

Thaw pie shell if frozen or prepare one from scratch. Flute the edges
of the pie shell to form a higher shell. Preheat oven to 425. Combine
filling ingredients with a wire whisk. Pour into pie shell. Bake 15
min at 425. Reduce heat to 350 and bake an additional 45 min or until
knife inserted near center comes out clean.


When I was feeding my Kosher family, I substituted Mocha Mix non-dairy
coffee lightener for the evaporated milk and the pie was still great.








--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"nobody but us chickens" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 5.250...
>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>> extremely
>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>>> loved it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting or
>>> poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low cholesterol
>>> nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by eating nothing
>>> but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is like serving diet
>>> coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What difference does it
>>> make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair please, with whipped cream
>>> ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely a
>> necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who need
>> one.
>>
>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>> gluttony.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> I made a better for you pie one year from a magazine to take, no one could
> tell the difference.
> I make a WW crustless version whenever I'm in the mood for pumpkin, which
> is my favorite pie. Sometimes I just bake the filling in a dish & eat like
> pudding.
> I can send it privately if you'd like.
How about posting it here? I'd be interested too....thanks....Sharon

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 09:48:48a, Janet Wilder told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>> extremely low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor.
>> I've served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and
>> they loved it.
>>
>>
>> * Exported from MasterCook *
>>
>> Low Fat/Cholesterol Pumpkin Pie With Oil Pastry
>>
>> Recipe By :
>> Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
>> Categories : Desserts Pies
>>
>>
>> Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
>> -------- ------------ --------------------------------
>> -----PIE FILLING-----
>> 1 lb Can (1-3/4 cups) pumpkin
>> 1 c Egg substitute
>> 3/4 c Splenda sugar substitute
>> 1/2 ts Salt
>> 3 ts Ground cinnamon
>> 1 1/4 ts Ground ginger
>> 1/2 ts Ground nutmeg
>> 1/2 ts Ground allspice
>> 1/2 ts Ground mace
>> 1/4 ts Ground cloves
>> 1 Can evaporated skim milk
>> (12 ounces)
>> 1 Deep 9-inch oil-pastry shell
>> -----OIL PASTRY-----
>> 1 1/3 c All-purpose flour
>> 1/2 ts Salt
>> 1/3 c Canola oil
>> 3 tb Water
>>
>> FOR FILLING:
>>
>> Preheat oven to 425 degrees. Place pumpkin in large mixing bowl.
>> Blend in egg substitute, Splenda, salt, and spices; stir in
>> evaporated milk. Pour into unbaked pie shell. Bake 15 minutes, then
>> reduce heat to 350 degrees. Bake about 45 minutes longer, until metal
>> knife inserted near center comes out clean.
>>
>> FOR PASTRY:
>>
>> Mix flour and salt together. After measuring oil in a measuring cup,
>> add water to the same cup but don't stir. Add liquid all at once to
>> flour mixture. Stir lightly with fork until well-mixed. Press dough
>> into smooth ball. Place between two 12-inch squares of waxed paper.
>> Roll out gently with rolling pin until pastry circle reaches edges of
>> paper. Peel off top sheet of paper. Lift bottom sheet of paper and
>> pastry by opposite corners. Flip over onto deep 9-inch pie plate.
>> Ease pastry into pie plate and remove waxed paper. Trim pastry and
>> make a high fluted edge. Makes 1 nine-inch pastry shell. You may
>> pre-bake the pastry if you prefer.
>>
>
>
> I simply adapted the recipe on the can of Libby's pumpkin for the same
> purposes and this is the one I make:
>
>
> * Exported from MasterCook *
>
> Pumpkin Pie
>
> Recipe By :Janet Wilder
> Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
> Categories : pies
>
> Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
> -------- ------------ --------------------------------
> 1/2 c Egg Beaters® 99% egg substitute
> 1 can solid-pack pumpkin -- 15 oz
> 3/4 c Splenda
> 1/2 tsp salt
> 1 tsp ground cinnamon
> 1/2 tsp ground ginger
> 1/4 tsp ground cloves
> 1 1/2 c evaporated skim milk
> 1 9 inch pie shell -- deep dish
>
> Thaw pie shell if frozen or prepare one from scratch. Flute the edges
> of the pie shell to form a higher shell. Preheat oven to 425. Combine
> filling ingredients with a wire whisk. Pour into pie shell. Bake 15
> min at 425. Reduce heat to 350 and bake an additional 45 min or until
> knife inserted near center comes out clean.

That sounds good, too, Janet. IIRC, it was I who increased the Egg
Beaters® in my recipe, as we like a pie with a more solid set. I had never
thought to adapt an existing recipe myself, but jumped on this one when it
was given to me.

> When I was feeding my Kosher family, I substituted Mocha Mix non-dairy
> coffee lightener for the evaporated milk and the pie was still great.

I see no reason why it shouldn't be. I have used non-dairy coffee
lighteners as substitutes with good results.

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 1dys 13hrs 33mins
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 5.250...
>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>> extremely
>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>> loved it.
>>>
>>
>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting or
>> poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low cholesterol
>> nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by eating nothing
>> but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is like serving diet
>> coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What difference does it
>> make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair please, with whipped cream
>> ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely a
> necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who need
> one.
>
> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
> gluttony.


You make that sound like something bad.

Paul

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 02:04:37p, Paul M. Cook told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 5.250...
>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>> extremely
>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>>> loved it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting or
>>> poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low cholesterol
>>> nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by eating nothing
>>> but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is like serving diet
>>> coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What difference does it
>>> make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair please, with whipped cream
>>> ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely a
>> necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who need
>> one.
>>
>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>> gluttony.
>
>
> You make that sound like something bad.
>
> Paul

It's not necessarily bad, Paul. Have you ever had a significant weight
problem, particularly if it's causing you health problems?

If you really become inspired to lose weight and are following a fairly
specific regime, one uncontrolled indulgence like a large and calorie laden
meal can throw you into a downward spiral and undermine the effort you're
making. It's very easy to say to hell with it after that, because a meal
like that can destroy a week or two or progress. If you can't relate to
this, then it's pointless to offer suggestions.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
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6wks 1dys 9hrs 52mins
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becoming. - Anon
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.250...
> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 02:04:37p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 5.247...
>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>> 5.250...
>>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>>> extremely
>>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>>>> loved it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting or
>>>> poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low cholesterol
>>>> nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by eating nothing
>>>> but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is like serving diet
>>>> coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What difference does it
>>>> make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair please, with whipped cream
>>>> ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely a
>>> necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who need
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>>> gluttony.
>>
>>
>> You make that sound like something bad.
>>
>> Paul
>
> It's not necessarily bad, Paul. Have you ever had a significant weight
> problem, particularly if it's causing you health problems?
>
> If you really become inspired to lose weight and are following a fairly
> specific regime, one uncontrolled indulgence like a large and calorie
> laden
> meal can throw you into a downward spiral and undermine the effort you're
> making. It's very easy to say to hell with it after that, because a meal
> like that can destroy a week or two or progress. If you can't relate to
> this, then it's pointless to offer suggestions.

Wayne, you are sure being awfully serious here. I just made a little funny
at your expense. That's all. It strikes me as funny when people do things
like drink a diet Coke after a 2000 calorie barbecue for example. To me it
just seems like a token effort. As for weight, I am overweight by quite a
lot. I am also diabetic. Still, I can indulge all I want to on
Thanksgiving even though it will take several days to get my blood sugar
back down. Diabetes is like that, even more so than being overweight and
allowing yourself one good episode of unmitigated gluttony. I may not live
as long as I could, but I'll sure enjoy it while I can.

Anyway, it was meant in good humor. I see it was not taken that way.

Paul

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:04:44p, Paul M. Cook told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.250...
>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 02:04:37p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 5.247...
>>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>> 5.250...
>>>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>>>>> loved it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting
>>>>> or poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low
>>>>> cholesterol nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by
>>>>> eating nothing but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is
>>>>> like serving diet coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What
>>>>> difference does it make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair
>>>>> please, with whipped cream ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely
>>>> a necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who
>>>> need one.
>>>>
>>>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>>>> gluttony.
>>>
>>>
>>> You make that sound like something bad.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> It's not necessarily bad, Paul. Have you ever had a significant weight
>> problem, particularly if it's causing you health problems?
>>
>> If you really become inspired to lose weight and are following a fairly
>> specific regime, one uncontrolled indulgence like a large and calorie
>> laden
>> meal can throw you into a downward spiral and undermine the effort
>> you're making. It's very easy to say to hell with it after that,
>> because a meal like that can destroy a week or two or progress. If you
>> can't relate to this, then it's pointless to offer suggestions.
>
> Wayne, you are sure being awfully serious here. I just made a little
> funny at your expense. That's all. It strikes me as funny when people
> do things like drink a diet Coke after a 2000 calorie barbecue for
> example. To me it just seems like a token effort. As for weight, I am
> overweight by quite a lot. I am also diabetic. Still, I can indulge
> all I want to on Thanksgiving even though it will take several days to
> get my blood sugar back down. Diabetes is like that, even more so than
> being overweight and allowing yourself one good episode of unmitigated
> gluttony. I may not live as long as I could, but I'll sure enjoy it
> while I can.
>
> Anyway, it was meant in good humor. I see it was not taken that way.

It was hard to tell, but now knowing something more about you, I can take
it that way. Some people here make very critical remarks and absolutely
mean them as very critical. Ascerbic wittiness is sometimes hard to
distinguish from seriously critical remarks.

I have never been one to order a diet drink along with a 3000 calorie meal.
The whole concept is ludricrous, yet I know many people who do just that.
By preference, my almost constant beveral is unsweetened iced tea.
However, if I want a Coke or a malt with a meal, you can be sure it will
not be a diet Coke or a low-fat malt.

By choice, but also by necessity, David and I are both taking our
weight/health issues very seriously right now. Much of it is calorie and
fat intake related. I've had a couple of serious episodes recently which
I'm not willing to jeopardize further, thus the spare Thanksgiving menu.
It was not what I originally intended, but it is what I will do.

There are almost always just the two of us for Thansgiving dinner, and
cooking what I would normally cook for that meal would also leave way too
many calorie and fat laden leftovers. It's simply not worth it this year.

Sorry if I didn't see the humor in your comment originally.

Cheers!

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 1dys 8hrs 50mins
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Difficile est satura non scribere --
It is difficult not to write satire.
--Juvenal

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.250...
> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:04:44p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 5.250...
>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 02:04:37p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>> 5.247...
>>>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>>> 5.250...
>>>>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>>>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>>>>>> loved it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting
>>>>>> or poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low
>>>>>> cholesterol nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by
>>>>>> eating nothing but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is
>>>>>> like serving diet coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What
>>>>>> difference does it make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair
>>>>>> please, with whipped cream ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely
>>>>> a necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who
>>>>> need one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>>>>> gluttony.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You make that sound like something bad.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> It's not necessarily bad, Paul. Have you ever had a significant weight
>>> problem, particularly if it's causing you health problems?
>>>
>>> If you really become inspired to lose weight and are following a fairly
>>> specific regime, one uncontrolled indulgence like a large and calorie
>>> laden
>>> meal can throw you into a downward spiral and undermine the effort
>>> you're making. It's very easy to say to hell with it after that,
>>> because a meal like that can destroy a week or two or progress. If you
>>> can't relate to this, then it's pointless to offer suggestions.
>>
>> Wayne, you are sure being awfully serious here. I just made a little
>> funny at your expense. That's all. It strikes me as funny when people
>> do things like drink a diet Coke after a 2000 calorie barbecue for
>> example. To me it just seems like a token effort. As for weight, I am
>> overweight by quite a lot. I am also diabetic. Still, I can indulge
>> all I want to on Thanksgiving even though it will take several days to
>> get my blood sugar back down. Diabetes is like that, even more so than
>> being overweight and allowing yourself one good episode of unmitigated
>> gluttony. I may not live as long as I could, but I'll sure enjoy it
>> while I can.
>>
>> Anyway, it was meant in good humor. I see it was not taken that way.
>
> It was hard to tell, but now knowing something more about you, I can take
> it that way. Some people here make very critical remarks and absolutely
> mean them as very critical. Ascerbic wittiness is sometimes hard to
> distinguish from seriously critical remarks.
>
> I have never been one to order a diet drink along with a 3000 calorie
> meal.
> The whole concept is ludricrous, yet I know many people who do just that.
> By preference, my almost constant beveral is unsweetened iced tea.
> However, if I want a Coke or a malt with a meal, you can be sure it will
> not be a diet Coke or a low-fat malt.
>
> By choice, but also by necessity, David and I are both taking our
> weight/health issues very seriously right now. Much of it is calorie and
> fat intake related. I've had a couple of serious episodes recently which
> I'm not willing to jeopardize further, thus the spare Thanksgiving menu.
> It was not what I originally intended, but it is what I will do.
>
> There are almost always just the two of us for Thansgiving dinner, and
> cooking what I would normally cook for that meal would also leave way too
> many calorie and fat laden leftovers. It's simply not worth it this year.
>
> Sorry if I didn't see the humor in your comment originally.
>
> Cheers!
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
>
> *******************************************
> Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
> *******************************************
> Countdown till Veteran's Day
> 6wks 1dys 8hrs 50mins
> *******************************************
> Difficile est satura non scribere --
> It is difficult not to write satire.
> --Juvenal

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.250...
> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:04:44p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 5.250...
>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 02:04:37p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>> 5.247...
>>>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>>> 5.250...
>>>>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe for
>>>>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and they
>>>>>>> loved it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about dieting
>>>>>> or poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low
>>>>>> cholesterol nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards by
>>>>>> eating nothing but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie is
>>>>>> like serving diet coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What
>>>>>> difference does it make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair
>>>>>> please, with whipped cream ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's merely
>>>>> a necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who
>>>>> need one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>>>>> gluttony.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You make that sound like something bad.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> It's not necessarily bad, Paul. Have you ever had a significant weight
>>> problem, particularly if it's causing you health problems?
>>>
>>> If you really become inspired to lose weight and are following a fairly
>>> specific regime, one uncontrolled indulgence like a large and calorie
>>> laden
>>> meal can throw you into a downward spiral and undermine the effort
>>> you're making. It's very easy to say to hell with it after that,
>>> because a meal like that can destroy a week or two or progress. If you
>>> can't relate to this, then it's pointless to offer suggestions.
>>
>> Wayne, you are sure being awfully serious here. I just made a little
>> funny at your expense. That's all. It strikes me as funny when people
>> do things like drink a diet Coke after a 2000 calorie barbecue for
>> example. To me it just seems like a token effort. As for weight, I am
>> overweight by quite a lot. I am also diabetic. Still, I can indulge
>> all I want to on Thanksgiving even though it will take several days to
>> get my blood sugar back down. Diabetes is like that, even more so than
>> being overweight and allowing yourself one good episode of unmitigated
>> gluttony. I may not live as long as I could, but I'll sure enjoy it
>> while I can.
>>
>> Anyway, it was meant in good humor. I see it was not taken that way.
>
> It was hard to tell, but now knowing something more about you, I can take
> it that way. Some people here make very critical remarks and absolutely
> mean them as very critical. Ascerbic wittiness is sometimes hard to
> distinguish from seriously critical remarks.
>
> I have never been one to order a diet drink along with a 3000 calorie
> meal.
> The whole concept is ludricrous, yet I know many people who do just that.
> By preference, my almost constant beveral is unsweetened iced tea.
> However, if I want a Coke or a malt with a meal, you can be sure it will
> not be a diet Coke or a low-fat malt.
>
> By choice, but also by necessity, David and I are both taking our
> weight/health issues very seriously right now. Much of it is calorie and
> fat intake related. I've had a couple of serious episodes recently which
> I'm not willing to jeopardize further, thus the spare Thanksgiving menu.
> It was not what I originally intended, but it is what I will do.
>
> There are almost always just the two of us for Thansgiving dinner, and
> cooking what I would normally cook for that meal would also leave way too
> many calorie and fat laden leftovers. It's simply not worth it this year.
>
> Sorry if I didn't see the humor in your comment originally.


See that's one good thing about compamy. Maybe the only thing. You send
them all home with the leftovers.

Paul

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:31:34p, Paul M. Cook told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.250...
>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:04:44p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 5.250...
>>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 02:04:37p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>> 5.247...
>>>>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> 5.250...
>>>>>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe
for
>>>>>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>>>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and
they
>>>>>>>> loved it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about
dieting
>>>>>>> or poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low
>>>>>>> cholesterol nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards
by
>>>>>>> eating nothing but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie
is
>>>>>>> like serving diet coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What
>>>>>>> difference does it make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair
>>>>>>> please, with whipped cream ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's
merely
>>>>>> a necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who
>>>>>> need one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be
unmitigated
>>>>>> gluttony.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You make that sound like something bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> It's not necessarily bad, Paul. Have you ever had a significant
weight
>>>> problem, particularly if it's causing you health problems?
>>>>
>>>> If you really become inspired to lose weight and are following a
fairly
>>>> specific regime, one uncontrolled indulgence like a large and calorie
>>>> laden
>>>> meal can throw you into a downward spiral and undermine the effort
>>>> you're making. It's very easy to say to hell with it after that,
>>>> because a meal like that can destroy a week or two or progress. If
you
>>>> can't relate to this, then it's pointless to offer suggestions.
>>>
>>> Wayne, you are sure being awfully serious here. I just made a little
>>> funny at your expense. That's all. It strikes me as funny when people
>>> do things like drink a diet Coke after a 2000 calorie barbecue for
>>> example. To me it just seems like a token effort. As for weight, I am
>>> overweight by quite a lot. I am also diabetic. Still, I can indulge
>>> all I want to on Thanksgiving even though it will take several days to
>>> get my blood sugar back down. Diabetes is like that, even more so than
>>> being overweight and allowing yourself one good episode of unmitigated
>>> gluttony. I may not live as long as I could, but I'll sure enjoy it
>>> while I can.
>>>
>>> Anyway, it was meant in good humor. I see it was not taken that way.
>>
>> It was hard to tell, but now knowing something more about you, I can
take
>> it that way. Some people here make very critical remarks and absolutely
>> mean them as very critical. Ascerbic wittiness is sometimes hard to
>> distinguish from seriously critical remarks.
>>
>> I have never been one to order a diet drink along with a 3000 calorie
>> meal.
>> The whole concept is ludricrous, yet I know many people who do just
that.
>> By preference, my almost constant beveral is unsweetened iced tea.
>> However, if I want a Coke or a malt with a meal, you can be sure it will
>> not be a diet Coke or a low-fat malt.
>>
>> By choice, but also by necessity, David and I are both taking our
>> weight/health issues very seriously right now. Much of it is calorie
and
>> fat intake related. I've had a couple of serious episodes recently
which
>> I'm not willing to jeopardize further, thus the spare Thanksgiving menu.
>> It was not what I originally intended, but it is what I will do.
>>
>> There are almost always just the two of us for Thansgiving dinner, and
>> cooking what I would normally cook for that meal would also leave way
too
>> many calorie and fat laden leftovers. It's simply not worth it this
year.
>>
>> Sorry if I didn't see the humor in your comment originally.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> --


Paul, if you meant to add a comment here, I did see it.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:32:44p, Paul M. Cook told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.250...
>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:04:44p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 5.250...
>>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 02:04:37p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>> 5.247...
>>>>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> 5.250...
>>>>>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe
for
>>>>>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
>>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. I've
>>>>>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and
they
>>>>>>>> loved it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? Thanksgiving is not about
dieting
>>>>>>> or poofey low fat substitutes. Enjoy and to hell with the low
>>>>>>> cholesterol nonsense. If you have to, punish yourself afterwards
by
>>>>>>> eating nothing but Rachel Ray meals for a week. Serving this pie
is
>>>>>>> like serving diet coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. What
>>>>>>> difference does it make? "Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair
>>>>>>> please, with whipped cream ... oh and a skim milk." Gimme a break.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. It's
merely
>>>>>> a necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who
>>>>>> need one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be
unmitigated
>>>>>> gluttony.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You make that sound like something bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> It's not necessarily bad, Paul. Have you ever had a significant
weight
>>>> problem, particularly if it's causing you health problems?
>>>>
>>>> If you really become inspired to lose weight and are following a
fairly
>>>> specific regime, one uncontrolled indulgence like a large and calorie
>>>> laden
>>>> meal can throw you into a downward spiral and undermine the effort
>>>> you're making. It's very easy to say to hell with it after that,
>>>> because a meal like that can destroy a week or two or progress. If
you
>>>> can't relate to this, then it's pointless to offer suggestions.
>>>
>>> Wayne, you are sure being awfully serious here. I just made a little
>>> funny at your expense. That's all. It strikes me as funny when people
>>> do things like drink a diet Coke after a 2000 calorie barbecue for
>>> example. To me it just seems like a token effort. As for weight, I am
>>> overweight by quite a lot. I am also diabetic. Still, I can indulge
>>> all I want to on Thanksgiving even though it will take several days to
>>> get my blood sugar back down. Diabetes is like that, even more so than
>>> being overweight and allowing yourself one good episode of unmitigated
>>> gluttony. I may not live as long as I could, but I'll sure enjoy it
>>> while I can.
>>>
>>> Anyway, it was meant in good humor. I see it was not taken that way.
>>
>> It was hard to tell, but now knowing something more about you, I can
take
>> it that way. Some people here make very critical remarks and absolutely
>> mean them as very critical. Ascerbic wittiness is sometimes hard to
>> distinguish from seriously critical remarks.
>>
>> I have never been one to order a diet drink along with a 3000 calorie
>> meal.
>> The whole concept is ludricrous, yet I know many people who do just
that.
>> By preference, my almost constant beveral is unsweetened iced tea.
>> However, if I want a Coke or a malt with a meal, you can be sure it will
>> not be a diet Coke or a low-fat malt.
>>
>> By choice, but also by necessity, David and I are both taking our
>> weight/health issues very seriously right now. Much of it is calorie
and
>> fat intake related. I've had a couple of serious episodes recently
which
>> I'm not willing to jeopardize further, thus the spare Thanksgiving menu.
>> It was not what I originally intended, but it is what I will do.
>>
>> There are almost always just the two of us for Thansgiving dinner, and
>> cooking what I would normally cook for that meal would also leave way
too
>> many calorie and fat laden leftovers. It's simply not worth it this
year.
>>
>> Sorry if I didn't see the humor in your comment originally.
>
>
> See that's one good thing about compamy. Maybe the only thing. You send
> them all home with the leftovers.
>
> Paul

You're right about that, but neither of us have family here, and our
friends have their own family Thanksgivings, so noone I know or care to
invite.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Sunday, 09(IX)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 1dys 8hrs 17mins
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If it looks like a duck, acts like a
duck, and quacks like a duck it is
probably just a tool of the conspiracy.

>
> You're right about that, but neither of us have family here, and our
> friends have their own family Thanksgivings, so noone I know or care to
> invite.

What does it mean when your palms itch?

Company is coming.

What does it mean when you itch all over?

They've arrived.

On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:52:04p, Paul M. Cook told us...

>
>>
>> You're right about that, but neither of us have family here, and our
>> friends have their own family Thanksgivings, so noone I know or care to
>> invite.
>
> What does it mean when your palms itch?
>
> Company is coming.
>
> What does it mean when you itch all over?
>
> They've arrived.

That's funny!

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Boy: A noise with dirt on it.
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:00:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
> gluttony.

i think it's second only to christmas for blatant misanthropy.

your pal,
blake

On Mon 29 Sep 2008 09:20:56a, blake murphy told us...

> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:00:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be unmitigated
>> gluttony.
>
> i think it's second only to christmas for blatant misanthropy.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

LOL!

--
Wayne Boatwright

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In marriage, as in war, it is
permitted to take every advantage of
the enemy.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 05:25:03a, Jean B. told us...
>
>> That looks good--and the crust reminds me of the stir-n-roll,
>> which may have been a Betty Crocker idea. I played with adding
>> some wheat germ to give it a bit more texture. I wonder where the
>> envelope with my jottings went? I guess it has gotten lost in the
>> last 16 or so years! Oh darn! On the same envelope are my
>> alterations of a "normal" (as vs. chiffon) pumpkin pie recipe. :-(
>
> Thanks, Jean. Yes, this is a fairly typical stir-n-roll pastry. Not
> really my favorite sort, but it serves its purpose well here. I find the
> results are much better if it's pre-baked before filling and then re-baking
> baking the filled pie.
>
> As to the pie on the whole, it's a good alternative for people with
> diabetic and/or cardiologic issues. Despite the naysayers, it really does
> taste every bit as good as a conventional pumpkin pie.
>
> I like using toasted wheat germ in baked goods. In fact, that was the
> "secret" ingredient in the Hough's brown sugar brownie recipe I posted not
> so long ago. It never occurred to me to add it to pie pastry. Sounds
> good.
>
> You need to look for that envelope. :-) Years ago I determined that I
> would never be able to keep up with clippings, random notes, scraps of
> envelopes and paper, etc. I began photocopying them and putting them in a
> ring binder. At the time I never realized it would grow to such
> proportions. I am now up to 4 3-inch ring binders. I had hoped one day to
> commit all that material to MasterCook, but the prospect now seems
> overwhelming.
>
>
>
I can empathize, I'm sure. I have so many recipes that haven't
even been typed up. It is rather discouraging, because I have
typed in parts of my "cookbook" several times, only to have to
redo them for various reasons. (Different systems, etc.)

I fear finding that envelope will entail looking at every single
scrap of paper in this house--and I actually don't throw anything
away without making sure it is not something precious.

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Jean B.

On Mon 29 Sep 2008 05:07:35p, Jean B. told us...

> I can empathize, I'm sure. I have so many recipes that haven't
> even been typed up. It is rather discouraging, because I have
> typed in parts of my "cookbook" several times, only to have to
> redo them for various reasons. (Different systems, etc.)
>
> I fear finding that envelope will entail looking at every single
> scrap of paper in this house--and I actually don't throw anything
> away without making sure it is not something precious.

Finding and organizing stuff can be frustrating and painful.

I just bought a 12 drawer music cabinet to contain all my sheet music and
music books. It took me three days to sort and put it in some semblance of
order, and it's still not exactly the way I want it. When I have more time
I will go through each drawer again and rearrange some of the items I know
I put in the wrong category.



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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 29 Sep 2008 05:07:35p, Jean B. told us...
>
>> I can empathize, I'm sure. I have so many recipes that haven't
>> even been typed up. It is rather discouraging, because I have
>> typed in parts of my "cookbook" several times, only to have to
>> redo them for various reasons. (Different systems, etc.)
>>
>> I fear finding that envelope will entail looking at every single
>> scrap of paper in this house--and I actually don't throw anything
>> away without making sure it is not something precious.
>
> Finding and organizing stuff can be frustrating and painful.
>
> I just bought a 12 drawer music cabinet to contain all my sheet music and
> music books. It took me three days to sort and put it in some semblance of
> order, and it's still not exactly the way I want it. When I have more time
> I will go through each drawer again and rearrange some of the items I know
> I put in the wrong category.
>
>
It must feel so good to have that music sorted even to the extent
you have done that. I am really looking forward to moving and
getting things more sorted. (Of course, with today's events, god
only knows when I'll be able to move....)
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Jean B.

On Mon 29 Sep 2008 06:12:31p, Jean B. told us...

> It must feel so good to have that music sorted even to the extent
> you have done that. I am really looking forward to moving and
> getting things more sorted. (Of course, with today's events, god
> only knows when I'll be able to move....)

Yes, I'm really pleased about it. I had also been without a piano for nearly
five years, but I was able to buy one a few months ago.

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Yes, I'm really pleased about it. I had also been without a piano for nearly
> five years, but I was able to buy one a few months ago.
>
Oh! That's great!!!!

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On Sep 28, 6:44*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:32:44p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 85.250...
> >> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 03:04:44p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
> >>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> .185.250...
> >>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 02:04:37p, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
> >>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Xns9B275165A1F17wayneboatwrightatgma@69. 16.185.247...
> >>>>>> On Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:50:48a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
> >>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:Xns9B26D100ABCA6wayneboatwrightatgma@6 9.16.185.250...
> >>>>>>>> Having recently re-joined Weight Watcher's, I recalled a recipe
> for
> >>>>>>>> pumpkin pie given to us by a cardiological nutritionist, which is
> >>>>>>>> extremely
> >>>>>>>> low in fat and cholesterol, sugar free, and full of flavor. *I've
> >>>>>>>> served this to many folks who didn't know it was different and
> they
> >>>>>>>> loved it.
>
> >>>>>>> Wayne, have you lost your mind? * *Thanksgiving is not about
> dieting
> >>>>>>> or poofey low fat substitutes. *Enjoy and to hell with the low
> >>>>>>> cholesterol nonsense. *If you have to, punish yourself afterwards
> by
> >>>>>>> eating nothing but Rachel Ray meals for a week. *Serving this pie
> is
> >>>>>>> like serving diet coke after eating an entire chocolate cake. *What
> >>>>>>> difference does it make? *"Yes, I'll have the chocolate eclair
> >>>>>>> please, with whipped cream ... oh and a skim milk." *Gimme a break.
>
> >>>>>>> Paul
>
> >>>>>> I never suggested that you or anyone else make it, Paul. *It's
> merely
> >>>>>> a necessary alternative for me this year and perhaps for others who
> >>>>>> need one.
>
> >>>>>> Thanksgiving is a lot of things, only one of which may be
> unmitigated
> >>>>>> gluttony.
>
> >>>>> You make that sound like something bad.
>
> >>>>> Paul
>
> >>>> It's not necessarily bad, Paul. *Have you ever had a significant
> weight
> >>>> problem, particularly if it's causing you health problems?
>
> >>>> If you really become inspired to lose weight and are following a
> fairly
> >>>> specific regime, one uncontrolled indulgence like a large and calorie
> >>>> laden
> >>>> meal can throw you into a downward spiral and undermine the effort
> >>>> you're making. *It's very easy to say to hell with it after that,
> >>>> because a meal like that can destroy a week or two or progress. *If
> you
> >>>> can't relate to this, then it's pointless to offer suggestions.
>
> >>> Wayne, you are sure being awfully serious here. *I just made a little
> >>> funny at your expense. *That's all. *It strikes me as funny when people
> >>> do things like drink a diet Coke after a 2000 calorie barbecue for
> >>> example. *To me it just seems like a token effort. *As for weight, I am
> >>> overweight by quite a lot. *I am also diabetic. *Still, I can indulge
> >>> all I want to on Thanksgiving even though it will take several days to
> >>> get my blood sugar back down. *Diabetes is like that, even more so than
> >>> being overweight and allowing yourself one good episode of unmitigated
> >>> gluttony. *I may not live as long as I could, but I'll sure enjoy it
> >>> while I can.
>
> >>> Anyway, it was meant in good humor. *I see it was not taken that way.
>
> >> It was hard to tell, but now knowing something more about you, I can
> take
> >> it that way. *Some people here make very critical remarks and absolutely
> >> mean them as very critical. *Ascerbic wittiness is sometimes hard to
> >> distinguish from seriously critical remarks.
>
> >> I have never been one to order a diet drink along with a 3000 calorie
> >> meal.
> >> The whole concept is ludricrous, yet I know many people who do just
> that.
> >> By preference, my almost constant beveral is unsweetened iced tea.
> >> However, if I want a Coke or a malt with a meal, you can be sure it will
> >> not be a diet Coke or a low-fat malt.
>
> >> By choice, but also by necessity, David and I are both taking our
> >> weight/health issues very seriously right now. *Much of it is calorie
> and
> >> fat intake related. *I've had a couple of serious episodes recently
> which
> >> I'm not willing to jeopardize further, thus the spare Thanksgiving menu.
> >> It was not what I originally intended, but it is what I will do.
>
> >> There are almost always just the two of us for Thansgiving dinner, and
> >> cooking what I would normally cook for that meal would also leave way
> too
> >> many calorie and fat laden leftovers. *It's simply not worth it this
> year.
>
> >> Sorry if I didn't see the humor in your comment originally.
>
> > See that's one good thing about compamy. *Maybe the only thing. *You send
> > them all home with the leftovers.
>
> > Paul
>
> You're right about that, but neither of us have family here, and our
> friends have their own family Thanksgivings, so noone I know or care to
> invite.
>
That's what freezers are for! Or if you're like me, you'll live off
the leftovers for 4 or 5 days.

I make a good filling feast, but keep most of it on the healthy side,
except for my husband who insists on eating the turkey skin (and has
the cholesterol levels to do it, too, dang him!). I'll set out bread
for my in-laws who have to have it at every meal, but with mashed and
sweet potatoes, few others touch it.

My husband makes the pies, and I've started buying him the Earth
Balance trans-fat-free stuff to use instead of shortening. It makes a
good crust, altho I prefer one made with graham crackers.

Besides pie, what else are you making?

maxine in ri

On Tue 30 Sep 2008 10:52:44a, maxine in ri told us...

> That's what freezers are for! Or if you're like me, you'll live off
> the leftovers for 4 or 5 days.
>
> I make a good filling feast, but keep most of it on the healthy side,
> except for my husband who insists on eating the turkey skin (and has
> the cholesterol levels to do it, too, dang him!). I'll set out bread
> for my in-laws who have to have it at every meal, but with mashed and
> sweet potatoes, few others touch it.
>
> My husband makes the pies, and I've started buying him the Earth
> Balance trans-fat-free stuff to use instead of shortening. It makes a
> good crust, altho I prefer one made with graham crackers.
>
> Besides pie, what else are you making?
>
> maxine in ri
>

My original plan was for roast capon, cornbread dressing with driee
cranberries and pecans, Brussels sprouts with chestnuts, mashed potatoes,
candied yams, and creamed pearl onions.

I'll have to look for that Earth Balance stuff. Where is it usually sold?

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