Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Anyways, I think this was a pretty good demonstration of
"Obamanomics"
> > in
> > > > > action...I'm a big believer in "putting one's money where one's
mouth
> > is"
> > > > > and all that jazz...
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, and be sure to VOTE on Election Day, or if you have early
voting
> > in your
> > > > > state you can vote right now...
> > > > >
> > > > > :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best
> > > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > What did Ye Birthday Gal think of this incident? Would you have
tipped
> > > > had he been wearing a McCain button?
> > >
> > > Gotta admit Greg, in all fairness, that's a perfectly valid
question...
> > > <eg>
> >
> >
> > It is...and I would have tipped if it was a McCain button, he hasn't
been
> > going on about "sharing the wealth"...that was my whole original point.
> > However I still don't think it's good form for an employee who depends
on
> > tips for income to wear political buttons and the like...
>
> I don't think it's good form for employees that serve the public to wear
> any political button. I know _we_ are not allowed to.
>
> We are, however, allowed to wear American Flag pins!


Yep, I have one I wear sometimes...


> > > Om -> Stirring the pot...
> >
> >
> > "Boil, boil, toil and trouble..."
> >
> > ;-P
> >
> > BTW Om, I "hear" that the Chicago Police Department is preparing for
"riot
> > duty" on Tuesday night..."stay tuned" as they say...there was a live
press
> > conference on the local cable nooze channel today, it was a friggin'
MELEE
> > with the reporters shooting questions to the assorted stonewalling city
> > officials. Just so ya know...
>
> I've heard that to. I checked with a friend in the Austin and local
> PD's, and we aren't gearing up for anything. No need.


Same here I guess...

Apparently Obama nixed the idea of a big fireworks display at the end of his
Grant Park speech, didn't want to seem too gloating or euphoric. A smart
move...

When I watched him I noticed that his hair was graying a bit, I thought,
"Man, in a few years you'll be *totally* gray, you have the hardest job in
the world"...


[...]


> Happy election day babe!


It was a lovely sunny 70+ degree day, everyone was in a good mood. Except
for the bartender at my local watering hole who is a Republican. I said,
"Hey, why be mad, it is what it is.". Getting worked up about electoral
politics any more is a fairly useless exercise, I've better things to
do...don't be going being all bitter, it's easy enuf to get a sour face.

I was happy for all the Obama supporters, many of them black. It was their
"day", you can't begrudge them that...


--
Best
Greg

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>>
>> blake would do well to take an example from the examples of President -
>> elect Obama and Senator McCain, both were most gracious to each other on
>> election night...
>>
>> Natcherly I'm *not* holding my breath...
>
>
> We wish you would.

Preferably until he turns blue.

In article >,
"Gregory Morrow" > wrote:

> Apparently Obama nixed the idea of a big fireworks display at the end of his
> Grant Park speech, didn't want to seem too gloating or euphoric. A smart
> move...
>
> When I watched him I noticed that his hair was graying a bit, I thought,
> "Man, in a few years you'll be *totally* gray, you have the hardest job in
> the world"...
>
I have noted how presidency really ages a person. It's why many thought
that McCain would be unlikely to survive out the term. While I like
Palin, I'm not really sure she could have handled being president just
yet. Maybe in 2012. <g>

>
>
> > Happy election day babe!
>
>
> It was a lovely sunny 70+ degree day, everyone was in a good mood. Except
> for the bartender at my local watering hole who is a Republican. I said,
> "Hey, why be mad, it is what it is.". Getting worked up about electoral
> politics any more is a fairly useless exercise, I've better things to
> do...don't be going being all bitter, it's easy enuf to get a sour face.
>
> I was happy for all the Obama supporters, many of them black. It was their
> "day", you can't begrudge them that...
>
Absolutely.

> --
> Best
> Greg
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:41:18 -0800 (PST), John Kane wrote:

> On Nov 5, 10:54*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>> In LasVegas, videographer Matt Toplikar captured footage of McCain/Palin
>> supporters as they came out from a rally featuring an appearance by Sarah
>> Palin.
>>
>> One camouflage-capped fellow captures the spirit of the event:
>>
>> * * Obama wins, I'm gonna move to Alaska.
>
> Geographically challenged?

maybe he's hoping palin will adopt him.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:33:48 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> feel free to try to
>> find batshit obama supporters.
>>
>> blake
>
> It's not hard. Hang out on some of the political usenet lists. <g>

there is no comparison. have people been scrutinizing mccain's birth
certificate? calling him a terrorist?

blake

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:57:41 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:57:26 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>> feel free to try to
>>find batshit obama supporters.
>
> You're doing just fine until a better one comes along.
>
> Lou

come on, lou. i back up what i say, and what i say isn't outlandish.

yourpal,
blake

as you may recall, this thread started with morrow's tale of heroically
stiffing a waiter who had the audacity to wear an obama tie or some such.

well it was with great interest i read this blog post the other night:

At any rate, I received the following email on one of my ¡§conservative¡¨
email lists the other day:

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read
"Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I
laughed as he had given away his political preference - just imagine the
coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him
that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood
there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his
tip to someone who I deemed more in need¡Xthe homeless guy outside. The
server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the
server inside as I ¡¥ve decided he could use the money more. The homeless
guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I
realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but
the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even
though the actual recipient needed money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in
concept than in practical application.

In and of itself, no big deal. The kind of thing that passes as
conservative humor, and something that I am sure has ricocheted around
right-wing blogs and email lists everywhere. However, listen to Nicole
Wallace, one of the chief McCain flaks, today on NPR. Start paying
attention at around 3:35 in the interview:

Listen, you go into a restaurant and instead of leaving a tip, you
stiff the waitress and give it to the homeless person outside, it is a
noble thing to do, it is spreading money earned by that waitress and giving
it someone outside.

Sound familiar?

<http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=13082>

....so, evidently morrow is either the famous (although unnamed) leader of a
movement, or a bald-faced liar. gosh, i wonder which?

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:57:41 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:57:26 GMT, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> feel free to try to
>>>find batshit obama supporters.
>>
>> You're doing just fine until a better one comes along.
>>
>> Lou
>
> come on, lou. i back up what i say, and what i say isn't outlandish.
>

It's true. I just say "moron" and move on.

blake murphy wrote:
> as you may recall, this thread started with morrow's tale of
> heroically stiffing a waiter who had the audacity to wear an obama
> tie or some such.
>
> well it was with great interest i read this blog post the other night:
>
> At any rate, I received the following email on one of my
> ¡§conservative¡¨ email lists the other day:
>
> Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that
> read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
>
> Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I
> laughed as he had given away his political preference - just imagine
> the coincidence.
>
> When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained
> to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth
> concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was
> going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in
> need¡Xthe homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my
> sight.
>
> I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the
> server inside as I ¡¥ve decided he could use the money more. The
> homeless guy was grateful.
>
> At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I
> realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn,
> but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did
> earn even though the actual recipient needed money more.
>
> I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in
> concept than in practical application.
>
> In and of itself, no big deal. The kind of thing that passes as
> conservative humor, and something that I am sure has ricocheted around
> right-wing blogs and email lists everywhere. However, listen to Nicole
> Wallace, one of the chief McCain flaks, today on NPR. Start paying
> attention at around 3:35 in the interview:
>
> Listen, you go into a restaurant and instead of leaving a tip, you
> stiff the waitress and give it to the homeless person outside, it is a
> noble thing to do, it is spreading money earned by that waitress and
> giving it someone outside.
>
> Sound familiar?
>
> <http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=13082>
>
> ...so, evidently morrow is either the famous (although unnamed)
> leader of a movement, or a bald-faced liar. gosh, i wonder which?

Hmmmm now...... a spot of plagiarism eh? )

On Nov 5, 11:41*am, John Kane > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 10:54*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>
> > In LasVegas, videographer Matt Toplikar captured footage of McCain/Palin
> > supporters as they came out from a rally featuring an appearance by Sarah
> > Palin.
>
> > One camouflage-capped fellow captures the spirit of the event:
>
> > * * Obama wins, I'm gonna move to Alaska.
>
> Geographically challenged?

No, USAian. The poor dears have no idea what is outside their borders
(sort of like the Chinese and the Romans at the decline of their
empires). That way, they are discouraged from fleeing.

On Oct 28, 9:00*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
>
> > While I agree that what you say is probably true, why is it a leftist
> > trait to denigrate the opposition by calling them names? Perhaps your
> > vocabulary never left the schoolyard. You were cogent until "repug".
>
> Me? *How about the guy who started it with BULL SHIT? *If they dish it out
> they get it right back - fair enough, eh? *Somehow I think I'll muddle
> through your criticism.

Their reaction is clearly a case of mote...beam. They are easy to
take offense at even the slightest suggestion of disagreement with
their position and they perceive insults everywhere. But then again
they were all trained as bullies at the feet of Bill Oh, Really? and
Sean Fannipak. Their commonly shared duplicity knew no bounds. But
their day is over and they can caterwaul all they want. Next on the
agenda, boot Harper. The man has been an embarassment to Canadians
for the last three years.

We gave the US support to elect Obama...it's time to return the
favour.

blake murphy wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:57:41 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:57:26 GMT, blake murphy
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> feel free to try to
> >>find batshit obama supporters.
> >
> > You're doing just fine until a better one comes along.
> >
> > Lou
>
> come on, lou. i back up what i say, and what i say isn't outlandish.
>


Lol...

That's the first *surprising* thing you've said in a *long* time,
blake...it's almost "out of character" for you, in fact. I'm SHOCKED...!!!

:-)


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

--
--
Best
Greg



blake murphy turned on the HTML and wrote:

> as you may recall, this thread started with morrow's tale of heroically
> stiffing a waiter who had the audacity to wear an obama tie or some such.
>
> well it was with great interest i read this blog post the other night:
>
> At any rate, I received the following email on one of my ¡§conservative¡¨
> email lists the other day:
>
> Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read
> "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
>
> Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I
> laughed as he had given away his political preference - just imagine the
> coincidence.
>
> When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to
him
> that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood
> there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his
> tip to someone who I deemed more in need¡Xthe homeless guy outside. The
> server angrily stormed from my sight.
>
> I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the
> server inside as I ¡¥ve decided he could use the money more. The homeless
> guy was grateful.
>
> At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I
> realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but
> the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even
> though the actual recipient needed money more.
>
> I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in
> concept than in practical application.
>
> In and of itself, no big deal. The kind of thing that passes as
> conservative humor, and something that I am sure has ricocheted around
> right-wing blogs and email lists everywhere. However, listen to Nicole
> Wallace, one of the chief McCain flaks, today on NPR. Start paying
> attention at around 3:35 in the interview:
>
> Listen, you go into a restaurant and instead of leaving a tip, you
> stiff the waitress and give it to the homeless person outside, it is a
> noble thing to do, it is spreading money earned by that waitress and
giving
> it someone outside.
>
> Sound familiar?
>
> <http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=13082>
>
> ...so, evidently morrow is either the famous (although unnamed) leader of
a
> movement, or a bald-faced liar. gosh, i wonder which?
>


ROFLMAO...

Pretty good troll, eh, blake...???

I at least thought *you* of all peeps would bother to check out my "story"
on snopes or even just do a simple google.

I in fact heard Don Wade, a conservative morning talk show host here on WLS
radio in Chicago first tell it...:

http://www.wlsam.com/sectional.asp?id=17450

"About Don Wade & Roma

Since 1985 DON WADE and ROMA, the dynamic duo of WLS, have had the greatest
job in the world. They get paid to distill all the news of the day and bring
it to their friends, WLS listeners all over Chicagoland and the world (via
the internet). They are the longest running Morning Drive Team in Chicago.
WARNING: DON and ROMA are addictive! Few side effects. No prescription
necessary. Their fast-paced dialogue with local or national newsmakers,
whether on politics, entertainment, business, or life, provides the inside
story on hot issues. Listeners leap in with their opinions and sparkling
conversation. Their many awards (stuffed in a storage box somewhere)
include Talker Magazine's Heavy Hitter 100, Local Radio Legends of America,
& the Marconi Award. But the only award that matters to them is having YOU
chose to listen each morning!

DON WADE is invariably passionate, witty, usually conservative, and always
opinionated about the political and social issues of the day. He thrives on
exposing and debunking the media bias and spin which distort the world
around us. He and his co-host ROMA challenge listeners with provocative
scrutiny, laughter, and debate of everything from the profound to the
mundane. An all-American patriot, DON is unafraid to challenge movers and
shakers, no matter what their political leaning.

DON is proud of being fired from more radio stations than he can count. Why?
Because his opinions got him in trouble. When he found a home at WLS in 1985
he found a place where his opinions counted. WLS Talk radio became the
perfect vehicle for DON's rapier dissection of our crazy world--with
politics, celebrities, and the media as favorite targets.

Born in New York City, DON attended William & Mary and graduated from Boston
University. In both prep school and college he worked on campus radio
stations. His rock-and-roll radio DJ jobs hop-scotched the country from
Philadelphia to Seattle, Buffalo to Dallas, Denver to Chicago. Other than
working in a box factory one summer, he has always been a radio "star." In
other words, he's never had a real job. A microphone is his life. His
favorite celebrity interviews are the Beatles--on their American tours, in
Nice, France, & in Obertauern, Austria. In fact, they gave DON a cameo role
in the Beatles movie HELP. (Don't blink!)

In contrast, ROMA (aka: The Voice of Reason) provides the thoughtful balance
that drives DON mad. They are a team at home as well as at work and have
been married since 1979. They walk to the beat of two different drums and
yet are happy together 24/7.

ROMA is the daughter of an equally diverse couple. Her father was a
minister, orphaned at 11, who picked cotton in North Carolina to support his
siblings and work his way through Wake Forest. Her mother was a Duke
University mathematics and physics PhD honored by the Smithsonian for her
accomplishments. ROMA earned a BA and MA from Baylor and completed all
coursework for her PhD in English literature at WSU in WA. While on
sabbatical writing her dissertation, she ran into DON WADE who insisted on
messing up her career path. It took him over a year to convince her she
needed him in her life. Slow, but relentless.

ROMA has taught university, community college, high school and even grade
school gifted children. She is a self-taught home remodeler turned General
Contractor who loves steel-toed boots, sledge hammers and power tools for
Christmas. Demolition is her favorite way to vent. She has taught kitchen
remodeling and deck building seminars for local Chicago lumberyards. Trained
to teach yoga and meditation, ROMA is also a self-professed health nut and
lover of all things spiritual & philosophical. She's the compassionate one.

DON and ROMA's terrific kids, HUNTER & HEATHER, & Hunter's bride MARGY are
their greatest pride and joy.

HUNTER is a US Marine LT COL completing his Master's Degree at Industrial
College of the Armed Forces at Fort McNair in DC. He recently completed 4
Iraq & Afghanistan tours. HUNTER is a former Blue Angel who flew in the
Chicago Air Show in 2000. HUNTER was USMC Tailhooker of the Year 2007, and
the F/18 hornet squadron he commanded, the legendary Red Devils VMFA 232,
won Top Fighter Squadron 2007. He is a Glenbrook South High School and
Illinois State University grad.

HEATHER is a full-time Global Event Planning Officer for CITI in New York
City; lives on the upper east side; and in her "spare time", is completing
her second & final year in the MBA Executive program at NYU---one of the top
MBA programs in the US. Heather loves the challenge of tackling such a
competitive program while holding down a demanding career in banking. She's
studying nights and weekends to compete. She went to New Trier High School
and graduated with honors from the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dr. Margy is a Surgical Dermatologist in the Alexandria, Virginia area.
She is also retained as a Dermatogical-Surgeon-on-Leave for Scripps Medical
in San Diego. She attended the University of Texas, Texas A & M, and
Bethesda & Balboa Medical Schools and is a former Commander in the US Navy.
She almost outranked Hunter in the military and she definitely outranks him
in their home. Margy also happens to be the best cook in the entire family.

Life is sweet for all of them. DON and ROMA know they are richly blessed
indeed!"

</>


Maybe I'll email your "discovery" to him and he'll mention in on his show.
If he mentions your name you'll be FAMOUS, blake...!!!

:-)


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

[OPS...sorry about starting my previous with my *sig* line, kids...]

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
m...
>
>
> --
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
>
>
> blake murphy turned on the HTML and wrote:
>
> > as you may recall, this thread started with morrow's tale of heroically
> > stiffing a waiter who had the audacity to wear an obama tie or some
such.
> >
> > well it was with great interest i read this blog post the other night:
> >
> > At any rate, I received the following email on one of my
¡§conservative¡¨
> > email lists the other day:
> >
> > Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that
read
> > "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
> >
> > Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I
> > laughed as he had given away his political preference - just imagine the
> > coincidence.
> >
> > When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to
> him
> > that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He
stood
> > there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his
> > tip to someone who I deemed more in need¡Xthe homeless guy outside. The
> > server angrily stormed from my sight.
> >
> > I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the
> > server inside as I ¡¥ve decided he could use the money more. The
homeless
> > guy was grateful.
> >
> > At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I
> > realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn,
but
> > the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even
> > though the actual recipient needed money more.
> >
> > I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in
> > concept than in practical application.
> >
> > In and of itself, no big deal. The kind of thing that passes as
> > conservative humor, and something that I am sure has ricocheted around
> > right-wing blogs and email lists everywhere. However, listen to Nicole
> > Wallace, one of the chief McCain flaks, today on NPR. Start paying
> > attention at around 3:35 in the interview:
> >
> > Listen, you go into a restaurant and instead of leaving a tip, you
> > stiff the waitress and give it to the homeless person outside, it is a
> > noble thing to do, it is spreading money earned by that waitress and
> giving
> > it someone outside.
> >
> > Sound familiar?
> >
> > <http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=13082>
> >
> > ...so, evidently morrow is either the famous (although unnamed) leader
of
> a
> > movement, or a bald-faced liar. gosh, i wonder which?
> >
>
>
> ROFLMAO...
>
> Pretty good troll, eh, blake...???
>
> I at least thought *you* of all peeps would bother to check out my "story"
> on snopes or even just do a simple google.
>
> I in fact heard Don Wade, a conservative morning talk show host here on
WLS
> radio in Chicago first tell it...:
>
> http://www.wlsam.com/sectional.asp?id=17450
>
> "About Don Wade & Roma
>
> Since 1985 DON WADE and ROMA, the dynamic duo of WLS, have had the
greatest
> job in the world. They get paid to distill all the news of the day and
bring
> it to their friends, WLS listeners all over Chicagoland and the world (via
> the internet). They are the longest running Morning Drive Team in Chicago.
> WARNING: DON and ROMA are addictive! Few side effects. No prescription
> necessary. Their fast-paced dialogue with local or national newsmakers,
> whether on politics, entertainment, business, or life, provides the inside
> story on hot issues. Listeners leap in with their opinions and sparkling
> conversation. Their many awards (stuffed in a storage box somewhere)
> include Talker Magazine's Heavy Hitter 100, Local Radio Legends of
America,
> & the Marconi Award. But the only award that matters to them is having
YOU
> chose to listen each morning!
>
> DON WADE is invariably passionate, witty, usually conservative, and always
> opinionated about the political and social issues of the day. He thrives
on
> exposing and debunking the media bias and spin which distort the world
> around us. He and his co-host ROMA challenge listeners with provocative
> scrutiny, laughter, and debate of everything from the profound to the
> mundane. An all-American patriot, DON is unafraid to challenge movers and
> shakers, no matter what their political leaning.
>
> DON is proud of being fired from more radio stations than he can count.
Why?
> Because his opinions got him in trouble. When he found a home at WLS in
1985
> he found a place where his opinions counted. WLS Talk radio became the
> perfect vehicle for DON's rapier dissection of our crazy world--with
> politics, celebrities, and the media as favorite targets.
>
> Born in New York City, DON attended William & Mary and graduated from
Boston
> University. In both prep school and college he worked on campus radio
> stations. His rock-and-roll radio DJ jobs hop-scotched the country from
> Philadelphia to Seattle, Buffalo to Dallas, Denver to Chicago. Other than
> working in a box factory one summer, he has always been a radio "star." In
> other words, he's never had a real job. A microphone is his life. His
> favorite celebrity interviews are the Beatles--on their American tours, in
> Nice, France, & in Obertauern, Austria. In fact, they gave DON a cameo
role
> in the Beatles movie HELP. (Don't blink!)
>
> In contrast, ROMA (aka: The Voice of Reason) provides the thoughtful
balance
> that drives DON mad. They are a team at home as well as at work and have
> been married since 1979. They walk to the beat of two different drums and
> yet are happy together 24/7.
>
> ROMA is the daughter of an equally diverse couple. Her father was a
> minister, orphaned at 11, who picked cotton in North Carolina to support
his
> siblings and work his way through Wake Forest. Her mother was a Duke
> University mathematics and physics PhD honored by the Smithsonian for her
> accomplishments. ROMA earned a BA and MA from Baylor and completed all
> coursework for her PhD in English literature at WSU in WA. While on
> sabbatical writing her dissertation, she ran into DON WADE who insisted on
> messing up her career path. It took him over a year to convince her she
> needed him in her life. Slow, but relentless.
>
> ROMA has taught university, community college, high school and even grade
> school gifted children. She is a self-taught home remodeler turned General
> Contractor who loves steel-toed boots, sledge hammers and power tools for
> Christmas. Demolition is her favorite way to vent. She has taught kitchen
> remodeling and deck building seminars for local Chicago lumberyards.
Trained
> to teach yoga and meditation, ROMA is also a self-professed health nut and
> lover of all things spiritual & philosophical. She's the compassionate
one.
>
> DON and ROMA's terrific kids, HUNTER & HEATHER, & Hunter's bride MARGY are
> their greatest pride and joy.
>
> HUNTER is a US Marine LT COL completing his Master's Degree at Industrial
> College of the Armed Forces at Fort McNair in DC. He recently completed 4
> Iraq & Afghanistan tours. HUNTER is a former Blue Angel who flew in the
> Chicago Air Show in 2000. HUNTER was USMC Tailhooker of the Year 2007,
and
> the F/18 hornet squadron he commanded, the legendary Red Devils VMFA 232,
> won Top Fighter Squadron 2007. He is a Glenbrook South High School and
> Illinois State University grad.
>
> HEATHER is a full-time Global Event Planning Officer for CITI in New York
> City; lives on the upper east side; and in her "spare time", is completing
> her second & final year in the MBA Executive program at NYU---one of the
top
> MBA programs in the US. Heather loves the challenge of tackling such a
> competitive program while holding down a demanding career in banking.
She's
> studying nights and weekends to compete. She went to New Trier High
School
> and graduated with honors from the University of Washington in Seattle.
>
> Dr. Margy is a Surgical Dermatologist in the Alexandria, Virginia area.
> She is also retained as a Dermatogical-Surgeon-on-Leave for Scripps
Medical
> in San Diego. She attended the University of Texas, Texas A & M, and
> Bethesda & Balboa Medical Schools and is a former Commander in the US
Navy.
> She almost outranked Hunter in the military and she definitely outranks
him
> in their home. Margy also happens to be the best cook in the entire
family.
>
> Life is sweet for all of them. DON and ROMA know they are richly blessed
> indeed!"
>
> </>
>
>
> Maybe I'll email your "discovery" to him and he'll mention in on his show.
> If he mentions your name you'll be FAMOUS, blake...!!!
>
> :-)
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
> " I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim
that
> we are some
> kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
> - "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking
>
>

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:47:36 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>Hmmmm now...... a spot of plagiarism eh? )

I'm shocked how many idiots (like you) took the post seriously even
after his follow up.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:47:36 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >Hmmmm now...... a spot of plagiarism eh? )
>
> I'm shocked how many idiots (like you) took the post seriously even
> after his follow up.


I thought that at least Steve Sqwertz would "catch it in the bud" but that
didn't happen...

Honestly, some of the "enlightened" posters like BLAKE here are maybe not so
"crafty" after all...blake was taken in hook, line, and sinker (we KNOW that
O' Feel Up is a dope, lol). Now watch him "congratulate" hisself for
"exposing" me...

<chuckle>


====>>> is it true that "gullible" is not a word in the dictionary...???


--
Best
Greg

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:00:38 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Nov 5, 11:41*am, John Kane > wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 10:54*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>> > In LasVegas, videographer Matt Toplikar captured footage of McCain/Palin
>> > supporters as they came out from a rally featuring an appearance by Sarah
>> > Palin.
>>
>> > One camouflage-capped fellow captures the spirit of the event:
>>
>> > * * Obama wins, I'm gonna move to Alaska.
>>
>> Geographically challenged?
>
>No, USAian. The poor dears have no idea what is outside their borders
>(sort of like the Chinese and the Romans at the decline of their
>empires). That way, they are discouraged from fleeing.

Isn't that better for the rest of you? You already have too many
illegal immigrants. Best not to take Americans, they can be too
pushy.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:12:14 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>We gave the US support to elect Obama...it's time to return the
>favour.

If you want a messiah, produce one yourself.

The US watched the world roll out the red carpet, but it didn't sway
our votes. We voted our conscience. We want a president who find a
way out of the hole the present president dug for this country into.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:00:38 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Nov 5, 11:41*am, John Kane > wrote:
> >> On Nov 5, 10:54*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> >>
> >> > In LasVegas, videographer Matt Toplikar captured footage of McCain/Palin
> >> > supporters as they came out from a rally featuring an appearance by Sarah
> >> > Palin.
> >>
> >> > One camouflage-capped fellow captures the spirit of the event:
> >>
> >> > * * Obama wins, I'm gonna move to Alaska.
> >>
> >> Geographically challenged?
> >
> >No, USAian. The poor dears have no idea what is outside their borders
> >(sort of like the Chinese and the Romans at the decline of their
> >empires). That way, they are discouraged from fleeing.
>
> Isn't that better for the rest of you? You already have too many
> illegal immigrants. Best not to take Americans, they can be too
> pushy.

<snork>
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:12:14 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >We gave the US support to elect Obama...it's time to return the
> >favour.
>
> If you want a messiah, produce one yourself.
>
> The US watched the world roll out the red carpet, but it didn't sway
> our votes. We voted our conscience. We want a president who find a
> way out of the hole the present president dug for this country into.

Lets just hope that he can and it's not too late.

The price of gas dropping in half should help for a start. I saw it for
$2.02 yesterday.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:

> The price of gas dropping in half should help for a start. I saw it for
> $2.02 yesterday.

It's down to around $2.65 here (NorCal). The LOWEST I've seen it since
moving here nearly 18 months ago. My "Beast" is a V8 Trailblazer EXT
with a 25.6 gallon tank. Bob and I put 30,000 on that vehicle in one
year alone. He has a car for his commute back and forth to work. We log
a LOT of recreational miles. Any price breaks we get are quite welcome!
I think the highest I paid for gas this summer was $4.91/gal. as I was
traveling from here to Oklahoma. I didn't see a decent price drop till I
stopped in Sedona, AZ. I was THRILLED to get it for $4.19. Actually, I
was coasting into town on fumes (really, I was!) So I would have given
10 times that much just to put fuel in the tank.

It's rather ominous when you are on a twisty two-lane highway in the
mountains, traffic backs up about five miles outside of town because of
construction, the "ding" sounds on the low-fuel gauge with the bright
orange light, and THEN on the radio comes Jackson Browne singing
"Runnin' on Empty." Yes, that really happened.

--Lin

In article > ,
Lin > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > The price of gas dropping in half should help for a start. I saw it for
> > $2.02 yesterday.
>
> It's down to around $2.65 here (NorCal). The LOWEST I've seen it since
> moving here nearly 18 months ago. My "Beast" is a V8 Trailblazer EXT
> with a 25.6 gallon tank. Bob and I put 30,000 on that vehicle in one
> year alone. He has a car for his commute back and forth to work. We log
> a LOT of recreational miles. Any price breaks we get are quite welcome!
> I think the highest I paid for gas this summer was $4.91/gal. as I was
> traveling from here to Oklahoma. I didn't see a decent price drop till I
> stopped in Sedona, AZ. I was THRILLED to get it for $4.19. Actually, I
> was coasting into town on fumes (really, I was!) So I would have given
> 10 times that much just to put fuel in the tank.

Many of us would in that situation.

>
> It's rather ominous when you are on a twisty two-lane highway in the
> mountains, traffic backs up about five miles outside of town because of
> construction, the "ding" sounds on the low-fuel gauge with the bright
> orange light, and THEN on the radio comes Jackson Browne singing
> "Runnin' on Empty." Yes, that really happened.
>
> --Lin

Beautiful. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:08:35 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:

>>
>> blake murphy turned on the HTML and wrote:
>>
>>> as you may recall, this thread started with morrow's tale of heroically
>>> stiffing a waiter who had the audacity to wear an obama tie or some
> such.
>>>
>>> well it was with great interest i read this blog post the other night:
>>>
>>> At any rate, I received the following email on one of my
> ¡§conservative¡¨
>>> email lists the other day:
>>>
>>> Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that
> read
>>> "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
>>>
>>> ...so, evidently morrow is either the famous (although unnamed) leader
> of
>> a
>>> movement, or a bald-faced liar. gosh, i wonder which?
>>>
>>
>>
>> ROFLMAO...
>>
>> Pretty good troll, eh, blake...???
>>
>> I at least thought *you* of all peeps would bother to check out my "story"
>> on snopes or even just do a simple google.

congratulations. you convinced a lot of people you're capable of behaving
like the asshole you are. what an achievement.

but you're right, we should have assumed plagiarism. you're not that
creative.

blake

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:27:24 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:57:41 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:57:26 GMT, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> feel free to try to
>>>find batshit obama supporters.
>>
>> You're doing just fine until a better one comes along.
>>
>> Lou
>
>come on, lou. i back up what i say, and what i say isn't outlandish.

Batshit refers to rationality. Looking at the thread trees I'm going
to delete after I post this you and a few others have lost your minds.
It's not what you say or if you can back it up, but how many times
you've said it in a _cooking_ group. I too get dragged into OT
threads but never 100's of posts.

Obama won. Be happy. Myself and most of my circle of friends didn't
vote for him, but we all seem to be happy for the historic event that
took place. I even went out Wednesday morning to get a paper to put
in the time capsule Louise has been working on for over 30 years. The
city I live in didn't get trashed in the celebration and for that I'm
proud to live in Chicago. I'm also proud to be white. Judging by the
"look" of the crowd we've overcome prejudice far more than I ever
thought I'd see in my lifetime. And judging by the exit polls is
seems we're ahead of some others.

But a few things did sadden me Tuesday night. Actually one that
surprised me was I was bummed I hadn't jumped on a bus and gone to
Grant park. It looked like a pretty friggin good party and it was so
close.

I had two TV's going and jumped between channels. The local cable
channel (CLTV) had a different style of interviews than the rest. The
interviewed "consultants" were mostly young first time voters who had
sucked up a bit to much of the "pixie dust" that mayor Daley had
dropped from the choppers above and they all seemed to think their
life was going to be much better in the morning. Some were so hopped
up they couldn't put a thought together. What saddens me is when they
woke up from the "pixie dust" buzz they realized nothing was different
for them.

You can continue your batshit ranting with 100's of OT posts about how
much you hate Bush and capitalism, but luckily as of Tuesday 47% of us
don't agree with your blanket statements. During the time you and
others are waiting for the magic wand to fix things and your
government check to come the rest of us are scrambling to get our own.

We sold a wonderful house for 75 grand less than it was appraised for
last summer. This year our funds have dropped more than you probably
"make" in a year. Yet you and your type want to take even more of
what we've worked for and give it to someone else? Sorry blake, but
that's batshit.

I could ramble on even more but I see a few food threads that interest
me so I'll catch up with you there if you still read those.

Lou

On Nov 4, 12:17 am, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > wrote:
>
> > > > Anyways, I think this was a pretty good demonstration of "Obamanomics"
> in
> > > > action...I'm a big believer in "putting one's money where one's mouth
> is"
> > > > and all that jazz...
>
> > > > Oh, and be sure to VOTE on Election Day, or if you have early voting
> in your
> > > > state you can vote right now...
>
> > > > :-)
>
> > > > --
> > > > Best
> > > > Greg
>
> > > What did Ye Birthday Gal think of this incident? Would you have tipped
> > > had he been wearing a McCain button?
>
> > Gotta admit Greg, in all fairness, that's a perfectly valid question...
> > <eg>
>
> It is...and I would have tipped if it was a McCain button, he hasn't been
> going on about "sharing the wealth"...that was my whole original point.
> However I still don't think it's good form for an employee who depends on
> tips for income to wear political buttons and the like...
>
> > Om -> Stirring the pot...
>
> "Boil, boil, toil and trouble..."
>
> ;-P
>
> BTW Om, I "hear" that the Chicago Police Department is preparing for "riot
> duty" on Tuesday night..."stay tuned" as they say...there was a live press
> conference on the local cable nooze channel today, it was a friggin' MELEE
> with the reporters shooting questions to the assorted stonewalling city
> officials. Just so ya know...
>
> That homeless guy I gave the twenty to was all up and down the street
> tonight (loverly nite, it was 65 degress, will be sunny and 70 here in
> Chicawgo for election day) bothering everybody in all the little businesses.
> They kicked him out of the Pilipino corner store where I was buying Mae Ploy
> chili sauce (SQWERTZ ALERT!) and baloney for sammiches...then he came into
> our corner bar where he was kicked out...the cops were called to the Mexican
> resto next door, he was put into custody because he went in and pulled down
> his pants in front of several female patrons...I guess "spreading the
> wealth" did not work in this particulur case.
>
> :-|
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

I sitll wanna know what the birthday girl thought of your actions and
attitude.

Now, did you not tip because...
a. waiter was ***
b. you don't like Obama
c. he was wearing a political button
d. all of the above.

Lin wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>
>> The price of gas dropping in half should help for a start. I saw it
>> for $2.02 yesterday.
>
> It's down to around $2.65 here (NorCal). The LOWEST I've seen it since
> moving here nearly 18 months ago.

Gas is now $1.98 here in Louisiana. We drove home from Tampa on Sunday,
and it was interesting noticing the difference in the price of gas. The
highest price was in Florida, and cheapest was in Mississippi.

Becca

In article >,
Lou Decruss > wrote:

> You can continue your batshit ranting with 100's of OT posts about how
> much you hate Bush and capitalism, but luckily as of Tuesday 47% of us
> don't agree with your blanket statements. During the time you and
> others are waiting for the magic wand to fix things and your
> government check to come the rest of us are scrambling to get our own.
>
> We sold a wonderful house for 75 grand less than it was appraised for
> last summer. This year our funds have dropped more than you probably
> "make" in a year. Yet you and your type want to take even more of
> what we've worked for and give it to someone else? Sorry blake, but
> that's batshit.
>
> I could ramble on even more but I see a few food threads that interest
> me so I'll catch up with you there if you still read those.
>
> Lou

Nice answer to Blake Lou. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Becca wrote:
> Lin wrote:
>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> The price of gas dropping in half should help for a start. I saw it
>>> for $2.02 yesterday.
>>
>> It's down to around $2.65 here (NorCal). The LOWEST I've seen it since
>> moving here nearly 18 months ago.
>
> Gas is now $1.98 here in Louisiana. We drove home from Tampa on Sunday,
> and it was interesting noticing the difference in the price of gas. The
> highest price was in Florida, and cheapest was in Mississippi.
>
> Becca
Chevron refinery in Pascagoula, don't know of any in Florida. Of course
Louisiana and Texas have beau coup refineries too. You've got a few in
your area Becca and we have two good sized refineries here in SW LA and
54 miles away in Beaumont, TX is another very large one. Transportation
costs are less if you're actually near the production of the motor fuel.

In article >,
Omelet > wrote:

> In article >,
> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
> > You can continue your batshit ranting with 100's of OT posts about how
> > much you hate Bush and capitalism, but luckily as of Tuesday 47% of us
> > don't agree with your blanket statements. During the time you and
> > others are waiting for the magic wand to fix things and your
> > government check to come the rest of us are scrambling to get our own.
> >
> > We sold a wonderful house for 75 grand less than it was appraised for
> > last summer. This year our funds have dropped more than you probably
> > "make" in a year. Yet you and your type want to take even more of
> > what we've worked for and give it to someone else? Sorry blake, but
> > that's batshit.

> Nice answer to Blake Lou. :-)

I don't agree. The middle class had a choice. Have their money taken
and given to the rich, or have it taken and given to the poor. We've
already tried the first. Lou has paid the price. McCain wanted to give
Enron a US$4 billion dollar tax credit, to "create jobs" and keep
companies from moving overseas. Who was going to pay for that? The
middle class. The poor people sure weren't going to, they don't have
money.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Omelet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>
>> > You can continue your batshit ranting with 100's of OT posts about how
>> > much you hate Bush and capitalism, but luckily as of Tuesday 47% of us
>> > don't agree with your blanket statements. During the time you and
>> > others are waiting for the magic wand to fix things and your
>> > government check to come the rest of us are scrambling to get our own.
>> >
>> > We sold a wonderful house for 75 grand less than it was appraised for
>> > last summer. This year our funds have dropped more than you probably
>> > "make" in a year. Yet you and your type want to take even more of
>> > what we've worked for and give it to someone else? Sorry blake, but
>> > that's batshit.
>
>> Nice answer to Blake Lou. :-)
>
> I don't agree. The middle class had a choice. Have their money taken
> and given to the rich, or have it taken and given to the poor. We've
> already tried the first. Lou has paid the price. McCain wanted to give
> Enron a US$4 billion dollar tax credit, to "create jobs" and keep
> companies from moving overseas. Who was going to pay for that? The
> middle class. The poor people sure weren't going to, they don't have
> money.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>

Are you really that dense? Who do you think owns Exxon? Who do you think
gets the dividends?

Ever heard off CALPERS?

http://www.calpers.ca.gov/index.jsp?...xxon-mobil.xml
CalPERS owns 30 million Exxon Mobil shares valued at $2.5 billion, as of May
24, 2007, and total assets of more than $245 billion. CalPERS provides
retirement and health benefits to approximately 1.5 million State and local
public employees and their families. For more information about CalPERS,
visit www.calpers.ca.gov.

Now what are the retired teachers & California employees going to do?



Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> Omelet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>>
>>> > You can continue your batshit ranting with 100's of OT posts about how
>>> > much you hate Bush and capitalism, but luckily as of Tuesday 47% of us
>>> > don't agree with your blanket statements. During the time you and
>>> > others are waiting for the magic wand to fix things and your
>>> > government check to come the rest of us are scrambling to get our own.
>>> >
>>> > We sold a wonderful house for 75 grand less than it was appraised for
>>> > last summer. This year our funds have dropped more than you probably
>>> > "make" in a year. Yet you and your type want to take even more of
>>> > what we've worked for and give it to someone else? Sorry blake, but
>>> > that's batshit.
>>
>>> Nice answer to Blake Lou. :-)
>>
>> I don't agree. The middle class had a choice. Have their money taken
>> and given to the rich, or have it taken and given to the poor. We've
>> already tried the first. Lou has paid the price. McCain wanted to give
>> Enron a US$4 billion dollar tax credit, to "create jobs" and keep
>> companies from moving overseas. Who was going to pay for that? The
>> middle class. The poor people sure weren't going to, they don't have
>> money.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Abel
>> Petaluma, California USA
>>
>
> Are you really that dense? Who do you think owns Exxon? Who do you think
> gets the dividends?
>
> Ever heard off CALPERS?
>
> http://www.calpers.ca.gov/index.jsp?...xxon-mobil.xml
> CalPERS owns 30 million Exxon Mobil shares valued at $2.5 billion, as of
> May 24, 2007, and total assets of more than $245 billion. CalPERS provides
> retirement and health benefits to approximately 1.5 million State and
> local public employees and their families. For more information about
> CalPERS, visit www.calpers.ca.gov.
>
> Now what are the retired teachers & California employees going to do?
>

Eat it like the rest of us?

On Oct 29, 12:56*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
>
> m...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > blake rosenberg wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:33:11 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> >> > In article >,
> >> > *"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> >> >> Elected, you can be assured Congress will pass all of Obama's tax
> > changes.
> >> >> Especially since it looks like the repugs will have their asses handed
> > to
> >> >> them on a plate come Tuesday.
>
> >> > While I agree that what you say is probably true, why is it a leftist
> >> > trait to denigrate the opposition by calling them names? Perhaps your
> >> > vocabulary never left the schoolyard. You were cogent until "repug".
>
> >> > leo
>
> >> much better to be a republican and accuse people of not being
> >> 'pro-american' or being a 'terrorist pal,' or 'closet muslim,' huh?
>
> > It's a real pity we can't get HUAC up and running again, blake, we'd GRILL
> > all of you anti - US pukes in public hearings, then tar and feather you,
> > put
> > you in stocks so's we normal folk could lob rotten eggs, tomatoes, and
> > even
> > rocks at you, and then do a Julius and Ethel Rosenberg on yer smarmy
> > snot -
> > nozed LIEberal arses...that's one "chair" you'll NEVER get up out
> > of...BZZZZZT...!!!
>
> It amazes me the cognitive disconnect of a *** twink belonging to and
> defending a political party that not only runs elections on divisive
> anti-*** sentiments and would codify into Constitutional law the
> discrimination of gays but would throw your little butt in jail if it had
> half a chance.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Agreed- all the *** people I know would like Obama to win...+

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> Becca wrote:

> > Gas is now $1.98 here in Louisiana. We drove home from Tampa on Sunday,
> > and it was interesting noticing the difference in the price of gas. The
> > highest price was in Florida, and cheapest was in Mississippi.

> Chevron refinery in Pascagoula, don't know of any in Florida. Of course
> Louisiana and Texas have beau coup refineries too. You've got a few in
> your area Becca and we have two good sized refineries here in SW LA and
> 54 miles away in Beaumont, TX is another very large one. Transportation
> costs are less if you're actually near the production of the motor fuel.

That would make sense. But I always got upset when I went to
Pleasanton. I drove within shouting distance of two big refineries, and
gas prices were always higher than anywhere else. California not only
produces some oil, but has lots of refineries (it's on the ocean, so
shipping for crude is easier), but our gas prices are almost always very
high.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > wrote in news:dabel-9F61AB.11365907112008@c-61-
68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:

> McCain wanted to give
> Enron a US$4 billion dollar tax credit, to "create jobs" and keep
> companies from moving overseas.

Like that hasn't been tried and found to be a failure. Pretty ****ing
crazy if you ask me (and you did, trust me :-) ).

One of the definitions of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
again, hoping to get different results.

Maybe it's time for a thorough exagmination round this particular
factification that economics studies anything other than human relations.

Too much reliance on the invisible hand (TINIH).

(apologies to William Carlos Williams, Samuel Beckett and others)

--

“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone.” - John Maynard Keynes

In article >,
"Dimitri" > wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...

> > I don't agree. The middle class had a choice. Have their money taken
> > and given to the rich, or have it taken and given to the poor. We've
> > already tried the first. Lou has paid the price. McCain wanted to give
> > Enron a US$4 billion dollar tax credit, to "create jobs" and keep
> > companies from moving overseas. Who was going to pay for that? The
> > middle class. The poor people sure weren't going to, they don't have
> > money.

> Are you really that dense? Who do you think owns Exxon? Who do you think
> gets the dividends?

Lots of people own it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil

"The Exxon Mobil Corporation, or ExxonMobil, is an American oil and gas
corporation and a direct descendant of John D. Rockefeller's Standard
Oil company.[3] Formed on November 30, 1999, by the merger of Exxon and
Mobil, ExxonMobil is the world's largest company by revenue, at $404.5
billion for the fiscal year of 2007, having interchanged this status
with Wal-Mart in recent years, as oil prices have fluctuated. It is also
the largest publicly held corporation by market capitalization, at
$501.17 billion on April 18, 2008.[4] Exxon's reserves were 72 billion
oil-equivalent barrels at the end of 2007 and, at current rates of
production, are expected to last over 14 years.[5] While it is the
largest of the six oil supermajors[6] with daily production of 4.18
million BOE (barrels of oil equivalent) in 2007[7], this is only
approximately 3% of world production and ExxonMobil's daily production
is surpassed by several of the largest state-owned petroleum
companies.[8] When ranked by oil and gas reserves it is 14th in the
world with less than 1% of the total. [9] [10] Currently, the company
ranks #1 in the world in net income, which was almost $40 billion last
year."

> Ever heard off CALPERS?

Yeah, they send me a fat check every month.

> http://www.calpers.ca.gov/index.jsp?...inaccessible-e
> xxon-mobil.xml
> CalPERS owns 30 million Exxon Mobil shares valued at $2.5 billion, as of May
> 24, 2007, and total assets of more than $245 billion. CalPERS provides
> retirement and health benefits to approximately 1.5 million State and local
> public employees and their families. For more information about CalPERS,
> visit www.calpers.ca.gov.
>
> Now what are the retired teachers & California employees going to do?

The teachers have their own retirement system:

http://www.calstrs.com/Investments/index.aspx

"CalSTRS is the nation's second largest public pension fund with assets
totaling just over $147 billion as of September 30, 2008. The investment
portfolio is broadly diversified into six asset categories."

For the CA state employees and retirees, CALPERS is 90% funded. I'm not
too worried about my retirement money. The point is that Enron already
has some money. Giving US$4 billion in tax credits to a company that
already ranks #1 in the world in net income, seems like a poor use of
middle class taxes.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Michel Boucher > wrote:

> Dan Abel > wrote in news:dabel-9F61AB.11365907112008@c-61-
> 68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:
>
> > McCain wanted to give
> > Enron a US$4 billion dollar tax credit, to "create jobs" and keep
> > companies from moving overseas.
>
> Like that hasn't been tried and found to be a failure. Pretty ****ing
> crazy if you ask me (and you did, trust me :-) ).

A failure for whom? The rich got richer and the poor got poorer.

> Maybe it's time for a thorough exagmination round this particular
> factification that economics studies anything other than human relations.

Hopefully you figured it out quicker than I did. I got a BA in
economics before I figured out that it was flawed from the beginning.
Actually, though, there are other fields that study human relations
(sociology, politics and psychology), so economics just assumes away
everything that is important, and draws conclusions based on leaving out
the most important factors.

Q: What do you get when you line up 1000 economists end to end?

A: 1000 different opinions!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

blake murphy wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:08:35 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> >>
> >> blake murphy turned on the HTML and wrote:
> >>
> >>> as you may recall, this thread started with morrow's tale of
heroically
> >>> stiffing a waiter who had the audacity to wear an obama tie or some
> > such.
> >>>
> >>> well it was with great interest i read this blog post the other night:
> >>>
> >>> At any rate, I received the following email on one of my
> > ¡§conservative¡¨
> >>> email lists the other day:
> >>>
> >>> Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that
> > read
> >>> "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
> >>>
> >>> ...so, evidently morrow is either the famous (although unnamed) leader
> > of
> >> a
> >>> movement, or a bald-faced liar. gosh, i wonder which?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ROFLMAO...
> >>
> >> Pretty good troll, eh, blake...???
> >>
> >> I at least thought *you* of all peeps would bother to check out my
"story"
> >> on snopes or even just do a simple google.
>
> congratulations. you convinced a lot of people you're capable of behaving
> like the asshole you are. what an achievement.
>
> but you're right, we should have assumed plagiarism. you're not that
> creative.


You're just ****ed because I've mocked you into a corner, blake...

:-)


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

merryb wrote:

On Oct 29, 12:56 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
>
> m...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > blake rosenberg wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:33:11 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> >> >> Elected, you can be assured Congress will pass all of Obama's tax
> > changes.
> >> >> Especially since it looks like the repugs will have their asses
handed
> > to
> >> >> them on a plate come Tuesday.
>
> >> > While I agree that what you say is probably true, why is it a leftist
> >> > trait to denigrate the opposition by calling them names? Perhaps your
> >> > vocabulary never left the schoolyard. You were cogent until "repug".
>
> >> > leo
>
> >> much better to be a republican and accuse people of not being
> >> 'pro-american' or being a 'terrorist pal,' or 'closet muslim,' huh?
>
> > It's a real pity we can't get HUAC up and running again, blake, we'd
GRILL
> > all of you anti - US pukes in public hearings, then tar and feather you,
> > put
> > you in stocks so's we normal folk could lob rotten eggs, tomatoes, and
> > even
> > rocks at you, and then do a Julius and Ethel Rosenberg on yer smarmy
> > snot -
> > nozed LIEberal arses...that's one "chair" you'll NEVER get up out
> > of...BZZZZZT...!!!
>
> It amazes me the cognitive disconnect of a *** twink belonging to and
> defending a political party that not only runs elections on divisive
> anti-*** sentiments and would codify into Constitutional law the
> discrimination of gays but would throw your little butt in jail if it had
> half a chance.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Agreed- all the *** people I know would like Obama to win...+
----------------

GM replies:

I'm *** and I voted for McCain, as did a number of other *** folks that I
know...not all gays hie to the "*** group think" mantra. Some gays I know
actually WORK for a living, have businesses, etc. and are *very* wary of the
possible ramifications of economic legislation that might be passed by Obama
and a Democratic Congress...

[that said, McCain and Obama were both fairly terrible choices...McCain was
too old and the only thing Obama has ever done is run for POTUS...]

Personally speaking, I am also an advocate of a strong Israel, and some of
the characters (Rashid Khalidi...) that Obama has consorted with are pretty
distasteful in this regard. I also have to question the integrity of
someone who attended a church for 20 years (not to mention that the pastor
married him and baptised his children) and professed "ignorance" when it
came out that his pastor (Rev. Wright) was promulgating nutty ideas,
referring to whites as "blue - eyed" devils, saying 9/11 was a Zionist plot,
saying that the US was an evil blot upon the world, etc.

Obama is a direct product of the *very* corrupt Illinois Democratic
political machine...

And I find it "interesting" that the oft - touted *** - liberal "rainbow"
does *not* include *any* room for differing views...

I got sick of the "*** community" that I was supposedly a "member" of,
believe me, I see up close and every day how truly fvcked - up it can be.
Their leaders put themselves up on a pedestal and declaim that they are
"superior" to mere ordinary mortals. They aren't, like many leftists and
liberals they are simply immature and are living in an advanced state of
adolescence...too much "pixie dust" (to borrow Lou's phrase in the
"Obamanomics..." thread) in their eyes.

Lastly, don't kid yourself about the direction that Obama will probably
take. Look who he has appointed his Chief of Staff...Rahm Emanuel is no
friend of the "little man", he was Clinton's point man on NAFTA, "ending
welfare as we know it", etc. Obama and the Dems are just as tied to big
money and corporate influence as any establishment politician has ever been,
I just hope he doesn't screw up.

Oh, and speaking of "***", check out what MA Rep. Barney Frank's boyfriend
does for a living...

Sleep well...!!!

:-)

PS: Out of the 200 or so candidates on my Chicago ballot, 198 I voted for
were _Democratic_, and that includes Rahm Emanuel. Hopefully he'll bring
some of that federal dough to Chicago and Illinois, a state that with gross
Democratic mis - management and corruption on the state level is now
virtually at a Third World level. So see, I _did_ vote majority Democratic,
hope that makes blake and others here happy, BWA...!!!


--
Best
Greg

Dan Abel > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> Michel Boucher > wrote:
>
>> Dan Abel > wrote in
>> news:dabel-9F61AB.11365907112008@c-61- 68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:
>>
>> > McCain wanted to give
>> > Enron a US$4 billion dollar tax credit, to "create jobs" and keep
>> > companies from moving overseas.
>>
>> Like that hasn't been tried and found to be a failure. Pretty
>> ****ing crazy if you ask me (and you did, trust me :-) ).
>
> A failure for whom?

Giving money to businesses in order to keep jobs...

>> Maybe it's time for a thorough exagmination round this particular
>> factification that economics studies anything other than human
>> relations.
>
> Hopefully you figured it out quicker than I did. I got a BA in
> economics before I figured out that it was flawed from the beginning.
> Actually, though, there are other fields that study human relations
> (sociology, politics and psychology), so economics just assumes away
> everything that is important, and draws conclusions based on leaving
> out the most important factors.

I have an MA in History and I consider economics to be a minor branch of
anthropology, down there with political science.

> Q: What do you get when you line up 1000 economists end to end?
>
> A: 1000 different opinions!

Q: How many liberal economists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: None. They all go to the bar and let the invisible hand take care of
it.

========

Q: How many liberal economists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Two, but darned if I know how they got in there...

========

Three econometricians went out hunting, and came across a large deer. The
first econometrician fired, but missed, by a meter to the left. The
second econometrician fired, but also missed, by a meter to the right.
The third econometrician didn't fire, but shouted in triumph, "We got it!
We got it!"

--

“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone.” - John Maynard Keynes

Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:27:24 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:57:41 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:57:26 GMT, blake murphy
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> feel free to try to
> >>>find batshit obama supporters.
> >>
> >> You're doing just fine until a better one comes along.
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> >come on, lou. i back up what i say, and what i say isn't outlandish.
>
> Batshit refers to rationality. Looking at the thread trees I'm going
> to delete after I post this you and a few others have lost your minds.
> It's not what you say or if you can back it up, but how many times
> you've said it in a _cooking_ group. I too get dragged into OT
> threads but never 100's of posts.
>
> Obama won. Be happy. Myself and most of my circle of friends didn't
> vote for him, but we all seem to be happy for the historic event that
> took place.


I was very happy for those who voted for Obama, it was like Christmas Day
and the Fourth of July and "payday" all rolled into one for them...

I sincerely pray that Obama does a good job...


I even went out Wednesday morning to get a paper to put
> in the time capsule Louise has been working on for over 30 years. The
> city I live in didn't get trashed in the celebration and for that I'm
> proud to live in Chicago. I'm also proud to be white. Judging by the
> "look" of the crowd we've overcome prejudice far more than I ever
> thought I'd see in my lifetime. And judging by the exit polls is
> seems we're ahead of some others.
>
> But a few things did sadden me Tuesday night. Actually one that
> surprised me was I was bummed I hadn't jumped on a bus and gone to
> Grant park. It looked like a pretty friggin good party and it was so
> close.
>
> I had two TV's going and jumped between channels. The local cable
> channel (CLTV) had a different style of interviews than the rest. The
> interviewed "consultants" were mostly young first time voters who had
> sucked up a bit to much of the "pixie dust" that mayor Daley had
> dropped from the choppers above and they all seemed to think their
> life was going to be much better in the morning. Some were so hopped
> up they couldn't put a thought together. What saddens me is when they
> woke up from the "pixie dust" buzz they realized nothing was different
> for them.


Well, many of the cameras seemed to be on the "uppity" blacks like Oprah and
Jesse Jackson...of course they've GOT theirs...Oprah is a billionaire and
Jesse is massively rich from the liquor distributorships his family
holds...so they can well afford to cry.

Didn't see many po' folks in the bunch...their black preachers on the South
Side told them to "stay home"...no VIP section for them.


> You can continue your batshit ranting with 100's of OT posts about how
> much you hate Bush and capitalism, but luckily as of Tuesday 47% of us
> don't agree with your blanket statements. During the time you and
> others are waiting for the magic wand to fix things and your
> government check to come the rest of us are scrambling to get our own.
>
> We sold a wonderful house for 75 grand less than it was appraised for
> last summer. This year our funds have dropped more than you probably
> "make" in a year. Yet you and your type want to take even more of
> what we've worked for and give it to someone else? Sorry blake, but
> that's batshit.


Yup...what can you expect from rfc's leading foaming - at - the - mouth
malcontent aka "blake murphy"...

<chuckle>


--
Best
Greg