On 2008-10-31, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso.........

They both suck pond scum.

Trim yer post, dammit!

nb

And just how many megatons of MSG has Campbell's put in its soups over
the years??

S.

I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso "nyah, nyah, THEIR soups have
MSG and our's DON'T..." adverts around. These days I usually make my own, I
have some canned soup for when I'm dead lazy or outta the home - made stuff.
FYI:


http://cbs5.com/consumer/Campbells.s....2.842773.html

Oct 17, 2008 7:00 am US/Pacific

Campbell's Slams Soup Rival Over MSG Content

"(CBS) On the health alert - do you know what's in your favorite soup?
There's a controversial ingredient that's ignited a soup war.

Its back to basics for Campbell's with its new Select Harvest soups -- they
now comes MSG free, reports CBS station KYW-TV in Phiadelphia.

"I really don't know much about it, but I heard its bad I'm not sure
though," said Shy Booker, a shopper.

MSG is monosodium glutamate .. a flavor enhancer put in many foods, most
notorious in Chinese dishes.

"I kinda try to stay away from it whenever I can," said Janice Taylor,
shopper.

Now MSG is the focus of an advertising war. Campbell's, based in Camden,
fired the first shot against it's rival, Progresso pointing out their added
MSG.

"This is a common advertising technique, you take a point of difference for
your product and you use that maybe against an inferiority in your
competitors products," said Anthony Sanzio, Campbell's Soup.

Progresso says Campbell's advertising has been disingenuous and misleading.
Progresso, which also has MSG free soups, fired back highlighting all the
Campbell's soups that still contain MSG.

MSG is safe according to the FDA which investigated reports that it caused
adverse reactions like headaches and heart palpitations.

"It's more of a side effect or a sensitivity, so it's not an unsafe
additive," said dietician Flavia Herzog.

Flavia Herzog a registered dietician, says MSG has gotten a bad rap and that
the soup companies are using scare tactics capitalizing on confusion about
MSG.

"It's all about the dollar who can actually make a product seem less
healthy," said Herzog. "And make people feel like it's really a negative
when in fact the average population is not affected by MSG at all," she
continued.

Still Progresso says it will remove MSG from all its soup. Campbell's
doesn't reveal it's future recipes.

By the way doctors say sodium in soup is probably more dangerous than
MSG..."

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http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...resso_msg.html

General Mills Pulling MSG From Progresso Soups

Move comes as competitor Campbell touts its MSG-free soups

October 9, 2008

"General Mills has announced that is removing added monosodium glutamate, or
MSG, from all 80 of its Progresso soups. Its major competitor, Campbell
Soups, has begun airing commercials promoting the absence of MSG from its
soups.

"Twenty-six Progresso soups are already free of added MSG," said Kyle Duea,
marketing manager for Progresso, acknowledging and publicly confirming the
strategy for the first time. "That number will continue to increase as we
implement this strategy across the Progresso line."

Progresso would have preferred to announce the change when complete,
according to Duea, but opted to announce the move now in response to current
competitive advertising in the category.

General Mills is claiming the high ground in the MSG wars, saying that some
of Campbell's soups still contain the flavor enhancer. General Mills
executives seemed a bit miffed at Campbell's ad campaign for its Select
Harvest soup.

"Campbell's campaign has been quite disingenuous, in our view," said Jerry
Lynch, vice president of Marketing for Progresso. "Not only does their
advertising make misleading statements about Progresso, but it also fails to
acknowledge that more than 90 Campbell's soups--a large portion of their
soups--do contain added MSG."

Focusing on taste and weight management, General Mills says Progresso has
been gaining share in the ready-to-serve soup category, capturing 3.3 share
points over the past 2 years. As Progresso rolls-out its reformulations, the
company promises consumers will also see more and more Progresso soups free
of added MSG on store shelves.

MSG is a sodium salt used as a flavor enhancer in food. It has been
"generally recognized as safe" by the Food and Drug Administration since
1959. However, health advocates have expressed concerns that it can promote
high blood pressure and obesity..."

</>

Gregory Morrow wrote:
>

<advertising propaganda drivel deleted>

> MSG is a sodium salt used as a flavor enhancer in food. It has been
> "generally recognized as safe" by the Food and Drug Administration since
> 1959. However, health advocates have expressed concerns that it can promote
> high blood pressure and obesity..."
>

MSG is used as commonly in other countries as sodium chloride (table
salt) is used in the US. Those MSG using countries seem to not have
issues with high blood pressure or obesity.

The fraction of a percent of the US population who are sensitive to MSG
and get headaches should avoid it, everyone else should ignore the
idiotic propaganda and worry about stuff that has real issues associated
with it like HFCS.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2008-10-31, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso.........
>
> They both suck pond scum.
>
> Trim yer post, dammit!
>

Greg would suck pond scum, but it won't let him.

In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:


> The fraction of a percent of the US population who are sensitive to MSG
> and get headaches should avoid it, everyone else should ignore the
> idiotic propaganda and worry about stuff that has real issues associated
> with it like HFCS.

Real issues? Like overconsumption? Not counting water, the HFCS used
to sweeten baked goods and such is 42& fructose and 58% glucose. Not
counting water, an apple is 40% fructose and 15% glucose.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > wrote:

> "Pete C." > wrote:

>> The fraction of a percent of the US population who are sensitive to MSG
>> and get headaches should avoid it, everyone else should ignore the
>> idiotic propaganda and worry about stuff that has real issues associated
>> with it like HFCS.

>Real issues? Like overconsumption? Not counting water, the HFCS used
>to sweeten baked goods and such is 42& fructose and 58% glucose.
>Not counting water, an apple is 40% fructose and 15% glucose.

For people who should be avoiding fructose, neither is a good
choice. But, baked goods may be the worse choice due to being
so calorie dense.

Steve

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> >> The fraction of a percent of the US population who are sensitive to MSG
> >> and get headaches should avoid it, everyone else should ignore the
> >> idiotic propaganda and worry about stuff that has real issues associated
> >> with it like HFCS.
>
> >Real issues? Like overconsumption? Not counting water, the HFCS used
> >to sweeten baked goods and such is 42& fructose and 58% glucose.
> >Not counting water, an apple is 40% fructose and 15% glucose.
>
> For people who should be avoiding fructose, neither is a good
> choice. But, baked goods may be the worse choice due to being
> so calorie dense.

It looks like you are trying to compare cake with apples, whereas I was
trying to compare sugar with sugar. Baked goods are often calorie dense
due to fat and protein. Many baked goods contain no HFCS at all,
especially if they are made at home or in any other country other than
the US.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> In article .com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > The fraction of a percent of the US population who are sensitive to MSG
> > and get headaches should avoid it, everyone else should ignore the
> > idiotic propaganda and worry about stuff that has real issues associated
> > with it like HFCS.
>
> Real issues? Like overconsumption? Not counting water, the HFCS used
> to sweeten baked goods and such is 42& fructose and 58% glucose. Not
> counting water, an apple is 40% fructose and 15% glucose.

Issues like how it metabolizes differently from sucrose and how HFCS is
delivering it's fructose/glucose mix in doses far higher than people
would normally consume from fruit.

> > On 2008-10-31, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
> > I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso.........
> >
> notbob wrote:
>
>
> They both suck pond scum.
>
> Trim yer post, dammit!
>
> nbhi thats was very inforamative and useful to us.

"Gregory Morrow" wrote:
>
> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso

I can't remember the last time I bought canned soup, maybe some forty
years ago. I make my own soups in large batches and then have plenty
to freeze. If I'm feeling lazy and in a hurry I'd rather have
doctored ramen. The MSG doesn't botherr me, in fact I add some to my
homemade... in fact after doctoring I more than double the quantity so
I ddd more MSG to ramen. I think people way over obssess about MSG...
there are worse additives in canned soups. Lately I've been on a kick
of frozen chopped spinach egg drop ramen.

(monalisa1155) wrote:
> �> Gregory Morrow > wrote:
> �> > I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso.........
> �> >�> notbob wrote:
>
> �>
> �>
> �> They both suck pond scum.
> �>
> �> Trim yer post, dammit!
> �>
> �> nbhi thats was very inforamative and useful to us.

It was supposed to say trim yer bikini cut, mona.

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso "nyah, nyah, THEIR
> soups have MSG and our's DON'T..." adverts around. These days I
> usually make my own, I have some canned soup for when I'm dead lazy
> or outta the home - made stuff. FYI:
>
>
> http://cbs5.com/consumer/Campbells.s....2.842773.html
>

I had leftover lentil soup for dinner. While I like Progresso lentil and
could give a rats ass about MSG, I find it's cheaper and easier to make my
own lentil soup sans MSG. So there As for Campbells, all Mom likes is
that stoupid (heh) chicken noodle. With saltines.

Jill

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso "nyah, nyah, THEIR soups have
> MSG and our's DON'T..." adverts around. These days I usually make my own, I
> have some canned soup for when I'm dead lazy or outta the home - made stuff.



I sometimes add a pinch of MSG when I make soup or stirfry dishes
without meat. Does that make me a bad person? ;---)

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso "nyah, nyah, THEIR
>> soups have
>> MSG and our's DON'T..." adverts around. These days I usually make my
>> own, I
>> have some canned soup for when I'm dead lazy or outta the home - made
>> stuff.
>
>
>
> I sometimes add a pinch of MSG when I make soup or stirfry dishes
> without meat. Does that make me a bad person? ;---)
>
> Bob
Thou shalt be forever shunned from the company of the foodie correct. Go
forth and sin no more.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:26:25 -0600, zxcvbob wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso "nyah, nyah, THEIR soups have
>> MSG and our's DON'T..." adverts around. These days I usually make my own, I
>> have some canned soup for when I'm dead lazy or outta the home - made stuff.
>
>
>
> I sometimes add a pinch of MSG when I make soup or stirfry dishes
> without meat. Does that make me a bad person? ;---)
>
> Bob

no, but your hair is likely to turn green.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:


> As for Campbells, all Mom likes is
> that stoupid (heh) chicken noodle. With saltines.

Just don't let Giusi find out! She's death on mushy noodles!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sun 02 Nov 2008 06:26:25a, zxcvbob told us...

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso "nyah, nyah, THEIR soups
>> have MSG and our's DON'T..." adverts around. These days I usually make
>> my own, I have some canned soup for when I'm dead lazy or outta the
>> home - made stuff.
>
>
>
> I sometimes add a pinch of MSG when I make soup or stirfry dishes
> without meat. Does that make me a bad person? ;---)
>
> Bob

Don’t you know you’ll be inflicting the following on everyone who eats it?

* numbness
* Burning sensation
* Tingling
* Facial pressure or tightness
* Chest pain
* Headache
* Nausea
* Rapid heartbeat
* Drowsiness
* Weakness
* Difficulty breathing for asthmatics

Just kidding!

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)

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"zxcvbob" wrote

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> I've seen some recent Campbell's vs. Progresso "nyah, nyah, THEIR soups
>> have
>> MSG and our's DON'T.." adverts around. These days I usually make my own,

> I sometimes add a pinch of MSG when I make soup or stirfry dishes without
> meat. Does that make me a bad person? ;---)

Naw, it's actually a way to reduce sodium, used carefully. Has Sodium, but
not as much per volume as table salt so a little pinch can make you want
less salt in your food. Tip from my husband's Doc who was helping us adapt
to lower sodium (not radically low needed, just reduced to 2,000mg a day).