Can you please answer a question?

If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few months
back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through? I suspect it's
not really the same as the stuff that's been blocked but just looks like it.

Can you shed some light on it? I'd hate these dickheads to think they can
get through the blocks.

ta muchly

Hoges in WA

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Hoges in WA wrote:
>
>> Can you please answer a question?
>>
>> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few months
>> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through?
>
> If you're using the correct filter, then what you see is not from Google
> Groups.

Exactly! The latest Chinese crap I see is from @yahoo.cn

Hoges in WA wrote:

> Can you please answer a question?
>
> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few months
> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through?

If you're using the correct filter, then what you see is not from Google
Groups.

Give me the Message-ID number of an example.


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Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

"Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
news
> Hoges in WA wrote:
>
>> Can you please answer a question?
>>
>> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few
>> months
>> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through?
>
> If you're using the correct filter, then what you see is not from Google
> Groups.
>
> Give me the Message-ID number of an example.
>
>
> --
> Blinky
> Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
> Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html
>


This appears to be it. (or, at least, that's what it says and I copied it)

Message-ID:
>

However, the website they want you to visit is luxury hyphen fashion dot org
with no spaces

And the "From": line says it's from luxuryfashion underscore org at yahoo
dot cn with no spaces.

I tried to block the "From" line but OE ignored it and I've already got
google groups blocked so I suspect something else but I am not sure what I
am looking at.
thanks
Hoges in WA

Hoges in WA wrote:

> Can you please answer a question?
>
> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few
> months back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through? I
> suspect it's not really the same as the stuff that's been blocked but
> just looks like it.

I don't block Google Groups. However, between whatever
news.individual.net does and my own filters, I don't see any spam.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Dave Bell wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Hoges in WA wrote:
>>
>>> Can you please answer a question?
>>>
>>> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few months
>>> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through?
>>
>> If you're using the correct filter, then what you see is not from Google
>> Groups.
>
> Exactly! The latest Chinese crap I see is from @yahoo.cn

For the record, I don't see those because the news feed I use has good
filtering.

I saw one piece of spam today in here. I honestly can't remember the last
time I saw any.


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Killing all posts from Google Groups
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Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

Dave Bell wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Hoges in WA wrote:
>>
>>> Can you please answer a question?
>>>
>>> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few months
>>> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through?
>>
>> If you're using the correct filter, then what you see is not from Google
>> Groups.
>
> Exactly! The latest Chinese crap I see is from @yahoo.cn

If you mean the one "Hoges in WA" just posted the Message-ID header for,
no, it's not. It's from Google Groups. The email address given in the
From header is at yahoo.cn. But that has NOTHING to do with its origin.

My GG filter (as outlined at the UIP link in my sig) kills it. But with
my normal news feed *they* have it killed before it can get to me; I don't
know what of their rules it triggered, as they don't kill GG posts. I had
to go look at the group on another server, that does not do very good (if
any) of its own spam filtering to see it at all (and, as I said, even
there I only see it if I temporarily disable my GG filter).


--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org

Hoges in WA wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
> news
>> Hoges in WA wrote:
>>
>>> Can you please answer a question?
>>>
>>> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few
>>> months
>>> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through?
>>
>> If you're using the correct filter, then what you see is not from Google
>> Groups.
>>
>> Give me the Message-ID number of an example.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blinky
>> Killing all posts from Google Groups
>> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
>> Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html
>
> This appears to be it. (or, at least, that's what it says and I copied it)
>
> Message-ID:
> >

My GG filter - as outlined at my Usenet Improvement Project - kills it.

I had to temporarily disable my filters to see it. PLUS I had to go to a
news feed that doesn't filter spam well to even see it that way; my normal
feed does its own filtering (but not on GG posts), and some rule there
killed it before it even got to me for my own filters to eat.

> However, the website they want you to visit is luxury hyphen fashion dot
> org with no spaces

Irrelevant to GG filtering.

> And the "From": line says it's from luxuryfashion underscore org at
> yahoo dot cn with no spaces.

Irrelevant to GG filtering.

> I tried to block the "From" line but OE ignored it and I've already got
> google groups blocked so I suspect something else but I am not sure what
> I am looking at.

I don't know. Must be something wrong with your implementation of the GG
filter. Mine work/works.


--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

Hoges in WA wrote:

> Can you please answer a question?

> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few months
> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through? I suspect it's
> not really the same as the stuff that's been blocked but just looks like it.

FWIW

I use an ancient news reader which I like, and which provides a simple
kill file mechanism. You create a kill rule by entering any string into
a box. Then you select whether it is expected to appear in the subject
or in the sender. When the rule is met, the post is killed.

Using this, nearly all scheming Chinamen, google groups, and hateful
posters simply do not appear. As a matter of housekeeping, I also pick
off things like cancel posts and bleachbots.

I also kf'd gmail, but noticed that a couple of RFC posters were
missing, so recently I deleted the rule. Sure enough, I immediately
received some kinda Nazi crap.

As to the occasional unwanted post that escapes the filters and shows
up, well, sometimes, things just don't work right. I check them out,
maybe try to fashion a new rule for them, even if duplicative.

Best regards . . .

Cuthbert Thistlethwaite wrote:

>
>
> Hoges in WA wrote:
>
>> Can you please answer a question?
>
>> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few months
>> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through? I suspect it's
>> not really the same as the stuff that's been blocked but just looks like it.
>
> FWIW
>
> I use an ancient news reader which I like, and which provides a simple
> kill file mechanism. You create a kill rule by entering any string into
> a box. Then you select whether it is expected to appear in the subject
> or in the sender. When the rule is met, the post is killed.

Unfortunately, that's weak. There are other headers that is it useful to
filter on. An example of such weak filtering capability is that offered
by Thunderbird.

> Using this, nearly all scheming Chinamen, google groups, and hateful

I note "nearly" there, since with those two headers you can't filter
Google Group spam. You're catching some of them with your minimal
filtering, but that's incidental; you're not actually filtering Google
Groups posts.


--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

Cuthbert Thistlethwaite wrote:
>
> Hoges in WA wrote:
>
> > Can you please answer a question?
>
> > If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few months
> > back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through? I suspect it's
> > not really the same as the stuff that's been blocked but just looks like it.
>
> FWIW
>
> I use an ancient news reader which I like, and which provides a simple
> kill file mechanism. You create a kill rule by entering any string into
> a box. Then you select whether it is expected to appear in the subject
> or in the sender. When the rule is met, the post is killed.
>
> Using this, nearly all scheming Chinamen, google groups, and hateful
> posters simply do not appear. As a matter of housekeeping, I also pick
> off things like cancel posts and bleachbots.
>
> I also kf'd gmail, but noticed that a couple of RFC posters were
> missing, so recently I deleted the rule. Sure enough, I immediately
> received some kinda Nazi crap.
>
> As to the occasional unwanted post that escapes the filters and shows
> up, well, sometimes, things just don't work right. I check them out,
> maybe try to fashion a new rule for them, even if duplicative.
>
> Best regards . . .

So, which newsreader do you use??? Some curious folks might want to know
;>

Sky, who's a curious folk

--
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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

Sky wrote:

> Cuthbert Thistlethwaite wrote:
>>
>> Hoges in WA wrote:
>>
>> > Can you please answer a question?
>>
>> > If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few
>> > months back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through? I
>> > suspect it's not really the same as the stuff that's been blocked but
>> > just looks like it.
>>
>> FWIW
>>
>> I use an ancient news reader which I like, and which provides a simple
>> kill file mechanism. You create a kill rule by entering any string
>> into a box. Then you select whether it is expected to appear in the
>> subject or in the sender. When the rule is met, the post is killed.
>>
>> Using this, nearly all scheming Chinamen, google groups, and hateful
>> posters simply do not appear. As a matter of housekeeping, I also pick
>> off things like cancel posts and bleachbots.
>>
>> I also kf'd gmail, but noticed that a couple of RFC posters were
>> missing, so recently I deleted the rule. Sure enough, I immediately
>> received some kinda Nazi crap.
>>
>> As to the occasional unwanted post that escapes the filters and shows
>> up, well, sometimes, things just don't work right. I check them out,
>> maybe try to fashion a new rule for them, even if duplicative.
>>
>> Best regards . . .
>
> So, which newsreader do you use??? Some curious folks might want to know
> ;>

Look at his headers.


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Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

"Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
news
> Hoges in WA wrote:
>
>>
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> Hoges in WA wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can you please answer a question?
>>>>
>>>> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few
>>>> months
>>>> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through?
>>>
>>> If you're using the correct filter, then what you see is not from Google
>>> Groups.
>>>
>>> Give me the Message-ID number of an example.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Blinky
>>> Killing all posts from Google Groups
>>> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
>>> Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html
>>
>> This appears to be it. (or, at least, that's what it says and I copied
>> it)
>>
>> Message-ID:
>> >
>
> My GG filter - as outlined at my Usenet Improvement Project - kills it.
>
> I had to temporarily disable my filters to see it. PLUS I had to go to a
> news feed that doesn't filter spam well to even see it that way; my normal
> feed does its own filtering (but not on GG posts), and some rule there
> killed it before it even got to me for my own filters to eat.
>
>> However, the website they want you to visit is luxury hyphen fashion dot
>> org with no spaces
>
> Irrelevant to GG filtering.
>
>> And the "From": line says it's from luxuryfashion underscore org at
>> yahoo dot cn with no spaces.
>
> Irrelevant to GG filtering.
>
>> I tried to block the "From" line but OE ignored it and I've already got
>> google groups blocked so I suspect something else but I am not sure what
>> I am looking at.
>
> I don't know. Must be something wrong with your implementation of the GG
> filter. Mine work/works.
>
>
> --
> Blinky
> Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
> Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

Thank you for your patience.
Hoges in WA

Hoges in WA wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
> news
>> Hoges in WA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> Hoges in WA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can you please answer a question?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I have google groups things blocked like you educated us on a few
>>>>> months
>>>>> back, how come this latest Chinese crap is getting through?
>>>>
>>>> If you're using the correct filter, then what you see is not from Google
>>>> Groups.
>>>>
>>>> Give me the Message-ID number of an example.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Blinky
>>>> Killing all posts from Google Groups
>>>> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
>>>> Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html
>>>
>>> This appears to be it. (or, at least, that's what it says and I copied
>>> it)
>>>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> >
>>
>> My GG filter - as outlined at my Usenet Improvement Project - kills it.
>>
>> I had to temporarily disable my filters to see it. PLUS I had to go to a
>> news feed that doesn't filter spam well to even see it that way; my normal
>> feed does its own filtering (but not on GG posts), and some rule there
>> killed it before it even got to me for my own filters to eat.
>>
>>> However, the website they want you to visit is luxury hyphen fashion dot
>>> org with no spaces
>>
>> Irrelevant to GG filtering.
>>
>>> And the "From": line says it's from luxuryfashion underscore org at
>>> yahoo dot cn with no spaces.
>>
>> Irrelevant to GG filtering.
>>
>>> I tried to block the "From" line but OE ignored it and I've already got
>>> google groups blocked so I suspect something else but I am not sure what
>>> I am looking at.
>>
>> I don't know. Must be something wrong with your implementation of the GG
>> filter. Mine work/works.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blinky
>> Killing all posts from Google Groups
>> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
>> Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html
>
> Thank you for your patience.

No prob. Hope you get it fixed.

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Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

Sky wrote:


> So, which newsreader do you use??? Some curious folks might want to know


Netscape 4.61.

It works fine but is obsolete and you probably can't get a copy.
Occasionally I try something else but do not like it for one reason or
another.

Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Unfortunately, that's weak.

Admittedly so. Yet, when I go to one of the offices I go to, where I
have no news reader installed, and use Google to look at Usenet, I see
tons of crap which I cannot see back here at home. I mean boatloads,
including here in RFC. So my filters accomplish more than it seems.

Nevertheless, I'll spend some time looking at your suggestions on your
web site.

TIA

On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:58:31 -0600, Cuthbert Thistlethwaite wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, that's weak.
>
> Admittedly so. Yet, when I go to one of the offices I go to, where I
> have no news reader installed, and use Google to look at Usenet, I see
> tons of crap which I cannot see back here at home. I mean boatloads,
> including here in RFC. So my filters accomplish more than it seems.
>
> Nevertheless, I'll spend some time looking at your suggestions on your
> web site.
>
> TIA

i'm surprised blinky hasn't suggested taking your question to the
news.software.readers usenet group. (or maybe he did and i missed it, or
maybe it's at the usenet improvement site.) friendly, knowledgeable people
there.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> i'm surprised blinky hasn't suggested taking your question to the
> news.software.readers usenet group. (or maybe he did and i missed it, or
> maybe it's at the usenet improvement site.) friendly, knowledgeable people
> there.

Actually, it's referenced on Blinky's site, and I'm gonna look at it
later on, but thanks.

Best regards . . .

On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:04:35 -0600, Cuthbert Thistlethwaite wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> i'm surprised blinky hasn't suggested taking your question to the
>> news.software.readers usenet group. (or maybe he did and i missed it, or
>> maybe it's at the usenet improvement site.) friendly, knowledgeable people
>> there.
>
> Actually, it's referenced on Blinky's site, and I'm gonna look at it
> later on, but thanks.
>
> Best regards . . .

ah, i thought that might be the case. blinky's very thorough.

your pal,
blake