....or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?

You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
somebody's nightmare world.

Are recipes germane any more?

Nancy Dooley, Barb Schaller...you guys still around?

Martha

I had been part of the newsgroup community for years (new here, but others
more to my profession). Lately, 2-3 years, groups have lost the original
intent of the Usenet of helping others. As newsgroups become more
mainstream, people believe this is their forum to promote their ideas, on
topic and off, it's a new form of hijacking the masses. Many topics are OT
(off topic) and should not be posted in the first place (maybe like this
one). The internet is the wild west of our time, no rules and no over watch
which is good and bad. Because people are not able to control themselves
and are only looking out for their well being and not add to the society or
community they have joined, sheriffs may need to be created to maintain
order. The real problem is people like you, who want to help others will
just go away not helping the others in this community.

Just my 2¢

Keith


"Martha" > wrote in message
...
> ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>
> You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
> how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
> somebody's nightmare world.
>
> Are recipes germane any more?
>
> Nancy Dooley, Barb Schaller...you guys still around?
>
> Martha

Keith Streich > wrote:

> I had been part of the newsgroup community for years (new here, but others
> more to my profession).

And you're still top-posting?

ObFood: Dimassi's Greek Buffet for dinner tonight.
http://www.dimassisbuffet.com/Home.php

-sw

"Keith Streich" > wrote in
:

> I had been part of the newsgroup community for years (new here, but
> others more to my profession).


I've been posting to ng's since 1990. I was posting here in 92/93.
Actually met my Californian wife here on this very ng. We married in Jan
'94. So that was probably the very first 'Internet marriage' :-)


> Lately, 2-3 years, groups have lost the
> original intent of the Usenet of helping others.


It started a looooong time before then. I first saw it happening in the
mid 90's. Then it became a real problem with the advent of anonymous
remail sites.
And the more people became aufait with how to hide their real identity,
the more the kooks and stalkers came out of the woodwork.



> As newsgroups become
> more mainstream, people believe this is their forum to promote their
> ideas, on topic and off, it's a new form of hijacking the masses.


It's also an avenue for all the kooks and stalkers to 'have a life'.

One that they wouldn't be able to do, or have, or get away with, in real
life.


> Many topics are OT (off topic) and should not be posted in the first
> place (maybe like this one). The internet is the wild west of our
> time, no rules and no over watch which is good and bad. Because
> people are not able to control themselves and are only looking out for
> their well being and not add to the society or community they have
> joined, sheriffs may need to be created to maintain order.


Not really. If enough like minded people join together, they can oust
the kooks and stalkers.

I used to post to another group (a PTSD group). Cyber stalkers followed
me there and infested it and harrassed everyone that posted there.

I ended up creating an online forum where people from that ng could go
to get away from the stalkers and cyber bullies and discuss things in a
secure and safe atmosphere. You had to log in, and be vetted, to be able
to post to it. You shouldn't have to do that sort of thing, but in un-
moderated groups, it becomes an eventuality.


> The real
> problem is people like you, who want to help others will just go away
> not helping the others in this community.


Or.......... they stick around and get on with the job.

As many have.




--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

PeterLucas wrote:
> "Keith Streich" > wrote in
> :
>
>> I had been part of the newsgroup community for years (new here, but
>> others more to my profession).
>
>
> I've been posting to ng's since 1990. I was posting here in 92/93.
> Actually met my Californian wife here on this very ng. We married in
> Jan '94. So that was probably the very first 'Internet marriage' :-)
>
Heh. I don't think so. I've been on the "internet" since 1986, divorced
since 1984 and knew many a "couple" who met online since way before 1994.
And I have been posting to the ng since 1998. I've done my best NOT to
invite crossposting TROLLS which also includes snipping ngs you complain
about, Peter.

I really don't like those oz.whatver trolls but if everyone would ignore
them maybe they'd go away. That includes political posts and Omlet, shut
the hell up about the elections, okay?

Jill

Martha wrote:

> ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>
> You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
> how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
> somebody's nightmare world.


Is that YOU, Martha Hughes...and if so did someone FINALLY let you out of
yer cage...???

If it's you some of us have *really* gotten some laffs out of yer Death
Metal rantings on yer MySpace or whatever personal pages...


--
Best
Greg

On Nov 7, 11:03*pm, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> Martha wrote:
> > ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>
> > You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
> > how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
> > somebody's nightmare world.
>
> Is that YOU, Martha Hughes...and if so did someone FINALLY let you out of
> yer cage...???
>
> If it's you some of us have *really* gotten some laffs out of yer Death
> Metal rantings on yer MySpace or whatever personal pages...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

No, I'm Martha McLemore. Don't know anything about Death Metal. As I
told Keith in a private email a couple of minutes ago, I used to post
here beginning in 1995; last post was a couple of years ago.

Mostly just wanted to see if Barb and Nancy and some others I used to
'talk' to here were still around. And search for an apple cake recipe
I posted here I-can't-remember-when.

I noticed Sheldon is still here. How about Moosemeat?

Martha

"jmcquown" > wrote in
:

> PeterLucas wrote:
>> "Keith Streich" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> I had been part of the newsgroup community for years (new here, but
>>> others more to my profession).
>>
>>
>> I've been posting to ng's since 1990. I was posting here in 92/93.
>> Actually met my Californian wife here on this very ng. We married in
>> Jan '94. So that was probably the very first 'Internet marriage' :-)
>>
> Heh. I don't think so. I've been on the "internet" since 1986,
> divorced since 1984 and knew many a "couple" who met online since way
> before 1994.


OK, first *Australian* internet marriage :-)


> And I have been posting to the ng since 1998. I've done
> my best NOT to invite crossposting TROLLS which also includes snipping
> ngs you complain about, Peter.


I do my best to keep all other ng's from being crossposted to here.....
including the uk.food or whatever they are.


>
> I really don't like those oz.whatver trolls but if everyone would
> ignore them maybe they'd go away.


It's the only thing they have in their lives. They'll always be here :-/


>That includes political posts and
> Omlet, shut the hell up about the elections, okay?
>


Hey, hang on!! Om wasn't the only person talking about the elections.

If you want to complain about people talking about the elections, either
name *everyone*, or just make it a general plea for 'quiet' on the
subject. Singling Om out as the only instigator is not on.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

Martha wrote:

On Nov 7, 11:03 pm, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> Martha wrote:
> > ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>
> > You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
> > how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
> > somebody's nightmare world.
>
> Is that YOU, Martha Hughes...and if so did someone FINALLY let you out of
> yer cage...???
>
> If it's you some of us have *really* gotten some laffs out of yer Death
> Metal rantings on yer MySpace or whatever personal pages...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

No, I'm Martha McLemore. Don't know anything about Death Metal. As I
told Keith in a private email a couple of minutes ago, I used to post
here beginning in 1995; last post was a couple of years ago.

Mostly just wanted to see if Barb and Nancy and some others I used to
'talk' to here were still around. And search for an apple cake recipe
I posted here I-can't-remember-when.

I noticed Sheldon is still here. How about Moosemeat?
-------
GM replies:

Okay, my apologies...

Barb is still around here a lot...so is Nancy...unfortunately dear Moosie
passed away a few years ago to that Big Boiled Rib Paradise In The Sky...


--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Martha wrote:
>
> On Nov 7, 11:03 pm, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>> Martha wrote:
>>> ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>>> You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
>>> how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
>>> somebody's nightmare world.
>> Is that YOU, Martha Hughes...and if so did someone FINALLY let you out of
>> yer cage...???
>>
>> If it's you some of us have *really* gotten some laffs out of yer Death
>> Metal rantings on yer MySpace or whatever personal pages...
>>
>> --
>> Best
>> Greg
>
> No, I'm Martha McLemore. Don't know anything about Death Metal. As I
> told Keith in a private email a couple of minutes ago, I used to post
> here beginning in 1995; last post was a couple of years ago.
>
> Mostly just wanted to see if Barb and Nancy and some others I used to
> 'talk' to here were still around. And search for an apple cake recipe
> I posted here I-can't-remember-when.
>
> I noticed Sheldon is still here. How about Moosemeat?
> -------
> GM replies:
>
> Okay, my apologies...
>
> Barb is still around here a lot...so is Nancy...unfortunately dear Moosie
> passed away a few years ago to that Big Boiled Rib Paradise In The Sky...
>
>


Piggybacking cuz I can't see Martha's posts. Here's an apple cake
recipe that I found who-knows-where maybe 10 years ago. Might be yours
I guess. :-) I haven't made it in a while; I might make one tomorrow to
take to church...

Apple Bundt Cake

2 C chopped apples
3 C all-purpose flour
1 C sour cream
1 tsp baking soda
1 C butter
2 tsp apple pie spice
3 C sugar
1/4 tsp salt
6 eggs
2 tsp vanilla extract
1/4 tsp almond extract

Preheat oven to 350°. Have all ingredients at room temperature. Grease
and flour bundt or tube pan, set aside. Peel and chop apples, mix with
sour cream in a small bowl, set aside. Sift together flour, soda, salt,
and spices, set aside. In a large bowl, cream butter and sugar until
well blended. Add extracts, then eggs two at a time, blending well
after each addition. Starting and ending with dry ingredients, gently
blend in flour mixture and apples, 1/3 at a time. Use large spoon or
lowest speed to just combine. Bake in middle of oven about 75 minutes
until done. Let cool just a few minutes and turn out on rack. Cool
completely, then drizzle with a powdered-suger and milk glaze. If
desired, dust lightly with cocoa.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> PeterLucas wrote:
> > "Keith Streich" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> I had been part of the newsgroup community for years (new here, but
> >> others more to my profession).
> >
> >
> > I've been posting to ng's since 1990. I was posting here in 92/93.
> > Actually met my Californian wife here on this very ng. We married in
> > Jan '94. So that was probably the very first 'Internet marriage' :-)
> >
> Heh. I don't think so. I've been on the "internet" since 1986, divorced
> since 1984 and knew many a "couple" who met online since way before 1994.
> And I have been posting to the ng since 1998. I've done my best NOT to
> invite crossposting TROLLS which also includes snipping ngs you complain
> about, Peter.
>
> I really don't like those oz.whatver trolls but if everyone would ignore
> them maybe they'd go away. That includes political posts and Omlet, shut
> the hell up about the elections, okay?
>
> Jill

I have been trying to knock it off somewhat since the election. ;-) I
agree as it's time...
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Martha wrote:

> Martha

Of Mountie Hunting Fame

"Martha" > wrote in message
...
> ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>
> You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
> how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
> somebody's nightmare world.
>
> Are recipes germane any more?
>
> Nancy Dooley, Barb Schaller...you guys still around?


It sure has changed. Mostly it is all OT stuff and the only food topics is
when somebody posts about cooking and has their ass nailed to a wall for
committing an act of sacrilege against the food gods. But you can delight
in the posts where people describe the lunmch they ate at a restaurant or
that Jill is having fish sticks for dinner.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Martha" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>>
>> You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
>> how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
>> somebody's nightmare world.
>>
>> Are recipes germane any more?
>>
>> Nancy Dooley, Barb Schaller...you guys still around?
>
>
> It sure has changed. Mostly it is all OT stuff and the only food
> topics is when somebody posts about cooking and has their ass nailed
> to a wall for committing an act of sacrilege against the food gods. But
> you can delight in the posts where people describe the lunmch
> they ate at a restaurant or that Jill is having fish sticks for
> dinner.
> Paul


You're an asshole, Paul. You think poor people in Ireland ate corned beef,
fer crying out loud. And you think corned beef is "spicy food". FOAD.

Jill

kalanamak wrote:
> Martha wrote:
>
>> Martha
>
> Of Mountie Hunting Fame


Of European Boy-Toy hunting fame, perhaps.

Jill

"Keith Streich" > wrote in news:gf30lt$dbi$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Many topics are OT
> (off topic) and should not be posted in the first place (maybe like this
> one).

The OT designation gives those so inclined the opportunity to killfile
subject lines with that prefix.

It's quite obvious that you won't stop people from talking about what they
want to talk about no matter what the avowed topic.

--

“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone.” - John Maynard Keynes

"jmcquown" > wrote in
:

>> I've been posting to ng's since 1990. I was posting here in 92/93.
>> Actually met my Californian wife here on this very ng. We married in
>> Jan '94. So that was probably the very first 'Internet marriage' :-)
>>
> Heh. I don't think so. I've been on the "internet" since 1986,
> divorced since 1984 and knew many a "couple" who met online since way
> before 1994. And I have been posting to the ng since 1998.

Newbies. My wife and I met online in 1987, I moved in in 1988 and we have
been together since, twenty years in September.

The first Internet marriage that I am aware of was Cindy Kandolf and
Steinar Haug (1988, IIRC), which happened around the same time as Betty and
I got together. In fact, I remember chatting about that with Cindy on
Bitnet.

--

“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone.” - John Maynard Keynes

On Nov 7, 9:56*pm, Martha > wrote:
> You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
> how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
> somebody's nightmare world.
>
> Are recipes germane any more?

You will soon discover "The Gang of Twelve" remain assisted by a
plethora of vulgar, undereducated buffoons.

LIfe never changes here. ....and how dare you suggest
recipes!!?? rec.food.cooking died years ago.

On Nov 7, 11:45*pm, zxcvbob > wrote:
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > Martha wrote:
>
> > On Nov 7, 11:03 pm, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> >> Martha wrote:
> >>> ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
> >>> You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
> >>> how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
> >>> somebody's nightmare world.
> >> Is that YOU, Martha Hughes...and if so did someone FINALLY let you out of
> >> yer cage...???
>
> >> If it's you some of us have *really* gotten some laffs out of yer Death
> >> Metal rantings on yer MySpace or whatever personal pages...
>
> >> --
> >> Best
> >> Greg
>
> > No, I'm Martha McLemore. *Don't know anything about Death Metal. *As I
> > told Keith in a private email a couple of minutes ago, I used to post
> > here beginning in 1995; last post was a couple of years ago.
>
> > Mostly just wanted to see if Barb and Nancy and some others I used to
> > 'talk' to here were still around. *And search for an apple cake recipe
> > I posted here I-can't-remember-when.
>
> > I noticed Sheldon is still here. *How about Moosemeat?
> > -------
> > GM replies:
>
> > Okay, my apologies...
>
> > Barb is still around here a lot...so is Nancy...unfortunately dear Moosie
> > passed away a few years ago to that Big Boiled Rib Paradise In The Sky....
>
> Piggybacking cuz I can't see Martha's posts. *Here's an apple cake
> recipe that I found who-knows-where maybe 10 years ago. *Might be yours
> I guess. :-) *I haven't made it in a while; I might make one tomorrow to
> take to church...
>
> Apple Bundt Cake
>
> 2 C chopped apples
> 3 C all-purpose flour
> 1 C sour cream
> 1 tsp baking soda
> 1 C butter
> 2 tsp apple pie spice
> 3 C sugar
> 1/4 tsp salt
> 6 eggs
> 2 tsp vanilla extract
> 1/4 tsp almond extract
>
> Preheat oven to 350°. *Have all ingredients at room temperature. *Grease
> and flour bundt or tube pan, set aside. *Peel and chop apples, mix with
> sour cream in a small bowl, set aside. *Sift together flour, soda, salt,
> and spices, set aside. In a large bowl, cream butter and sugar until
> well blended. *Add extracts, then eggs two at a time, blending well
> after each addition. *Starting and ending with dry ingredients, *gently
> blend in flour mixture and apples, 1/3 at a time. Use large spoon or
> lowest speed to just combine. *Bake in middle of oven about 75 minutes
> until done. *Let cool just a few minutes and turn out on rack. *Cool
> completely, then drizzle with a powdered-suger and milk glaze. *If
> desired, dust lightly with cocoa.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you for this delicious-sounding recipe, but it isn't the one I'm
looking for...lost the Farm Journal cookbook it was in, unfortunately.
Martha

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Martha" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>>>
>>> You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
>>> how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
>>> somebody's nightmare world.
>>>
>>> Are recipes germane any more?
>>>
>>> Nancy Dooley, Barb Schaller...you guys still around?
>>
>>
>> It sure has changed. Mostly it is all OT stuff and the only food
>> topics is when somebody posts about cooking and has their ass nailed
>> to a wall for committing an act of sacrilege against the food gods. But
>> you can delight in the posts where people describe the lunmch
>> they ate at a restaurant or that Jill is having fish sticks for
>> dinner.
>> Paul
>
>
> You're an asshole, Paul. You think poor people in Ireland ate corned
> beef, fer crying out loud. And you think corned beef is "spicy food".
> FOAD.


It is if you make it right. You think it comes out of a plastic bag with a
little sachet of spices.

Paul

On Nov 8, 3:27*am, kalanamak > wrote:
> Martha wrote:
> > Martha
>
> Of Mountie Hunting Fame

I don't now about the fame part, but - Yes! What great fun that was.

Martha

> On Nov 7, 11:03 pm, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>
>
> > Martha wrote:

> I noticed Sheldon is still here. *How about Moosemeat?
> -------
> GM replies:
>
> Okay, my apologies...
>
> Barb is still around here a lot...so is Nancy...unfortunately dear Moosie
> passed away a few years ago to that Big Boiled Rib Paradise In The Sky...
>

Nothing good lasts forever, and that includes Moosie. Rest in Peace,
Moosemeat.
Martha

On Nov 8, 8:32*am, Brawny > wrote:
>
> You will soon discover "The Gang of Twelve" remain assisted by a
> plethora of vulgar, undereducated buffoons.
>
> LIfe never changes here. * *....and how dare you suggest
> recipes!!?? * *rec.food.cooking died years ago.

I'm so sorry to read of its demise.

As they say in Elbonia, I laugh for grieving. Or, something like
that.

Martha > wrote in news:e0157971-09da-44d8-8664-
:

> On Nov 8, 8:32*am, Brawny > wrote:
>>
>> You will soon discover "The Gang of Twelve" remain assisted by a
>> plethora of vulgar, undereducated buffoons.
>>
>> LIfe never changes here. * *....and how dare you suggest
>> recipes!!?? * *rec.food.cooking died years ago.
>
> I'm so sorry to read of its demise.
>
> As they say in Elbonia, I laugh for grieving. Or, something like
> that.

However that is not actually tru. rfc is fine and there is MUCH discussion
of cooking and what not related tocooking. Don't let a momentary slip
influence you. You came at a time right after an election held in a
foreign country (to me) and it seems that everyone had an opinion.

Just be glad you missed the massive troll attack a few years back. It is
an unmoderated discussion and you really cannot expect strictly on topic
discussion in a recreational group. All the stiff shirts that think only
food should be discussed here are not using their killfiles appropriately
and want those of us who enjoy both cooking conversation and off topic to
pay the price for their ineptitude.

--

“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone.” - John Maynard Keynes

jmcquown wrote:

<snip>

> And I have been posting to the ng since 1998.

<snip>

I dunno what the BFD is about "I've been posting to this ng since
19-dot". Just because So-and-so has been around longer on this
newsgroup than Whathis/herface, what difference does it make? Just
because somebody has been posting here for umpteen years doesn't
automatically make them any better at cooking than somebody that's only
been posting here for a couple of weeks/months/years, does it?
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

ChattyCathy > wrote in news:G7iRk.3093$QF4.560
@newsfe13.ams2:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> And I have been posting to the ng since 1998.
>
> <snip>
>
> I dunno what the BFD is about "I've been posting to this ng since
> 19-dot". Just because So-and-so has been around longer on this
> newsgroup than Whathis/herface, what difference does it make? Just
> because somebody has been posting here for umpteen years doesn't
> automatically make them any better at cooking than somebody that's
only
> been posting here for a couple of weeks/months/years, does it?


:-)

You're on a roll.


Speaking of rolls.......... I'm going to be making a Chocolate Caramel
slice tomorrow/today.

The Choc cake from the b'day party is just about all gone, and I'm still
feeling like something sweet..... now and then.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

ChattyCathy > wrote in news:G7iRk.3093$QF4.560
@newsfe13.ams2:

> I dunno what the BFD is about "I've been posting to this ng since
> 19-dot". Just because So-and-so has been around longer on this
> newsgroup than Whathis/herface, what difference does it make?

"ownership"...people feel they have put in the time and should be treated
better. I used to live in a co-op in Edmonton. There were two kinds of
people...the founders and the rabble. I was one of the rabble only
because I came after the founders, although I was on two committees and
my wife (another rabble) was the president. The founders, in their
attitude towards the rights of the rabble to equal treatment were quite
explicit in denouncing what they felt such measures were a betrayal of
their investment and time.

Some people feel that way about newsgroups. Go figure.

> Just
> because somebody has been posting here for umpteen years doesn't
> automatically make them any better at cooking than somebody that's only
> been posting here for a couple of weeks/months/years, does it?

Well, actually, one would hope so...otherwise it means that people are
not here to learn, or that they are incapable of learning. So the longer
you've been here (and I've been around since 1991, just for the record),
the more you've absorbed and shared back.

I have changed quite a few things in my cooking, and for the better,
after reading some excellent advice on rfc. If I was only interested in
things other than cooking (as Squidgy has so kindly suggested) I would go
hang out on soc.canada and butt heads with the neo-nazis there.

And also for the record, this group is supposed to be fun, which is why
it's in the rec (for recreational) group of the Big Eight, and not in
clari.biz... or comp.infosystems...

So to all the stiff shirts, I say "Unclench the buttcheeks already and
stop being so frakkin' judgmental of OT postings (unless of course they
are actual trolls, not just things you disagree with)."

--

“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone.” - John Maynard Keynes

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:51:19 -0600, Michel Boucher wrote:

> Martha > wrote in news:e0157971-09da-44d8-8664-
> :
>
>> On Nov 8, 8:32*am, Brawny > wrote:
>>>
>>> You will soon discover "The Gang of Twelve" remain assisted by a
>>> plethora of vulgar, undereducated buffoons.
>>>
>>> LIfe never changes here. * *....and how dare you suggest
>>> recipes!!?? * *rec.food.cooking died years ago.
>>
>> I'm so sorry to read of its demise.
>>
>> As they say in Elbonia, I laugh for grieving. Or, something like
>> that.
>
> However that is not actually tru. rfc is fine and there is MUCH discussion
> of cooking and what not related tocooking. Don't let a momentary slip
> influence you. You came at a time right after an election held in a
> foreign country (to me) and it seems that everyone had an opinion.
>
> Just be glad you missed the massive troll attack a few years back. It is
> an unmoderated discussion and you really cannot expect strictly on topic
> discussion in a recreational group. All the stiff shirts that think only
> food should be discussed here are not using their killfiles appropriately
> and want those of us who enjoy both cooking conversation and off topic to
> pay the price for their ineptitude.

i also find it amusing that those who complain of non-cooking discussions
are almost invariably guilty of making OT posts themselves. and the 'i've
been posting here since 19xx' people sound like grampa simpson.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> "Martha" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
> >
> > You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
> > how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
> > somebody's nightmare world.

> It sure has changed. Mostly it is all OT stuff and the only food topics is
> when somebody posts about cooking and has their ass nailed to a wall for
> committing an act of sacrilege against the food gods. But you can delight
> in the posts where people describe the lunmch they ate at a restaurant or
> that Jill is having fish sticks for dinner.

A good example of someone getting their ass nailed to a wall, in this
case, for nothing at all in this thread.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> Paul M. Cook wrote:

> > It sure has changed. Mostly it is all OT stuff and the only food
> > topics is when somebody posts about cooking and has their ass nailed
> > to a wall for committing an act of sacrilege against the food gods. But
> > you can delight in the posts where people describe the lunmch
> > they ate at a restaurant or that Jill is having fish sticks for
> > dinner.
> > Paul
>
>
> You're an asshole, Paul. You think poor people in Ireland ate corned beef,
> fer crying out loud. And you think corned beef is "spicy food". FOAD.

A typical "witty interchange" between two frequent posters.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:56:35 -0800 (PST), Martha
> wrote:

>...or an episode of Twilight Zone From Hell?
>
>You go away for a couple of years and when you check back in to see
>how your old rfc buddies are doing, it's like you opened the door to
>somebody's nightmare world.
>
>Are recipes germane any more?
>
>Nancy Dooley, Barb Schaller...you guys still around?
>
>Martha

Hello Martha!!!

Welcome back!!!

Yes, it gets overloaded with OT posts a lot...and people flaming each
other, said to say.

But there are some of us still left, that like to dwell mostly on
food, and don't think we have to blast every one in sight for whatever
reason.

Stick around. Charliam just returned...and maybe other rfc notables
might stick their heads in the door?

Christine

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:55:12 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:


>> I've been posting to ng's since 1990. I was posting here in 92/93.
>> Actually met my Californian wife here on this very ng. We married in
>> Jan '94. So that was probably the very first 'Internet marriage' :-)

If you were posting to rfc then, you were probably not the first. Were
you on rfc back in '94. Iain Liddell met his wife through rfc and was
married to her by then. If you were here, then you might remember
them.

Christine

In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > And I have been posting to the ng since 1998.
>
> <snip>
>
> I dunno what the BFD is about "I've been posting to this ng since
> 19-dot". Just because So-and-so has been around longer on this
> newsgroup than Whathis/herface, what difference does it make? Just
> because somebody has been posting here for umpteen years doesn't
> automatically make them any better at cooking than somebody that's only
> been posting here for a couple of weeks/months/years, does it?

It doesn't mean that they are a better person or a better cook. It just
means that they have firsthand experience about the old days. So when
Paul M. Cook posts how much things have changed, and Google shows that
his posting history under that name only goes back two years, then
either he changed his name (which happens a lot) or he doesn't have much
history here.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article
>,
Martha > wrote:


> Thank you for this delicious-sounding recipe, but it isn't the one I'm
> looking for...lost the Farm Journal cookbook it was in, unfortunately.
> Martha

My Farm Journal Country Cooking has two apple cake recipes, Oregon Apple
Dapple and Nobby Apple Cake. It also has three applesauce cake recipes.
Let me know if one of them sounds familiar and I'll post the recipe.

Speaking of Farm Journal cookbooks, I brought molasses chocolate chip
bars from the FJ Homemade Cookies book to the weekly neighborhood
gathering. They were well received.

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

> i also find it amusing that those who complain of non-cooking discussions
> are almost invariably guilty of making OT posts themselves. *and the 'i've
> been posting here since 19xx' people sound like grampa simpson.
>
> your pal,
> blake-

Hmmm...I don't know if your comment was meant to include my original
post about RFC, Blake, but I feel the need to clarify what I asked
about.

First of all, I had a heck of a time finding RFC - didn't know it was
a part of Google now. That was the beginning of my consternation.

But, once I did find it, I had to wade through three pages of utter
nonsense posts, and idiotic ads, et cetera, to find anything I
recognized as the least bit RFC-like. I felt like I had walked into a
room of chaos of the Nth magnitude.

What I wanted to write was, "Jesus Christ! What the hell happened to
RFC?" but I thought that might be offensive.

From the time I first posted to RFC (1994 or '95 - whenever), there
have been OT posts. I've participated in them -- might have started
one or two, myself, can't remember. Oh, and flame wars and obnoxious,
aggravating trolling. But I don't remember it being like this.

Not tsk-tsking or shaking a finger at what's happening - just
expressing my dismay and confusion at what I found. Maybe it's more
to the point to say what I didn't find.

Nothing stays the same...life (and RFC) goes on...and other, similar,
quasi-philosophical cliches. I'm jiggy with that, as my grandson
says, every now and then.

Martha

On Nov 8, 11:47*am, Cindy Fuller >
wrote:
>> My Farm Journal Country Cooking has two apple cake recipes, Oregon Apple
> Dapple and Nobby Apple Cake. *It also has three applesauce cake recipes.. *
> Let me know if one of them sounds familiar and I'll post the recipe.
>

Cindy! Hello, again. And hello, to Dan Abel, another name I remember
from some time back. How nice to see you both are still around.

Cindy, it is the Nobby apple cake recipe I was looking for and would
also appreciate the applesauce cake recipes, too. My mother used to
make a very moist applesauce-raisin cake that had a rum-confectioner
sugar glaze poured all over it. She'd hide it from us for a couple of
days, to let the glaze soak into the cake before serving it. (She had
to hide it, or my Dad would have eaten half of it before we kids saw
even a crumb.) Great cake she made and I'm hoping to find a recipe
for it, or one I can modify to try to come close to it.

I am so glad to hear from you, and equally glad you have you Farm
Journal cookbook!
Martha

Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:55:12 -0500, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>> I've been posting to ng's since 1990. I was posting here in 92/93.
>>> Actually met my Californian wife here on this very ng. We married in
>>> Jan '94. So that was probably the very first 'Internet marriage' :-)
>
> If you were posting to rfc then, you were probably not the first. Were
> you on rfc back in '94. Iain Liddell met his wife through rfc and was
> married to her by then. If you were here, then you might remember
> them.
>
> Christine


Incorrect attribution, Chris! I certainly didn't meet a wife in California
on this ng! <wink>

Jill

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:07:55 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:


>Incorrect attribution, Chris! I certainly didn't meet a wife in California
>on this ng! <wink>
>
>Jill

Okay, blame the fact that I just got home from working a busy 12 hour
shift..and am just NOW getting something to eat.. I didn't have time
to eat last night..and I am TIRED!!!

I thought I was quoting Peter... Sorry Jill!!

Christine

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:50:09 -0800 (PST), Martha
> wrote:

>
>> i also find it amusing that those who complain of non-cooking discussions
>> are almost invariably guilty of making OT posts themselves. *and the 'i've
>> been posting here since 19xx' people sound like grampa simpson.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake-
>
>Hmmm...I don't know if your comment was meant to include my original
>post about RFC, Blake, but I feel the need to clarify what I asked
>about.
>
>First of all, I had a heck of a time finding RFC - didn't know it was
>a part of Google now. That was the beginning of my consternation.
>
>But, once I did find it, I had to wade through three pages of utter
>nonsense posts, and idiotic ads, et cetera, to find anything I
>recognized as the least bit RFC-like. I felt like I had walked into a
>room of chaos of the Nth magnitude.
>
<snip>
>
>Not tsk-tsking or shaking a finger at what's happening - just
>expressing my dismay and confusion at what I found. Maybe it's more
>to the point to say what I didn't find.
>
>Nothing stays the same...life (and RFC) goes on...and other, similar,
>quasi-philosophical cliches. I'm jiggy with that, as my grandson
>says, every now and then.
>
I've found the absolute *worst* way to read rfc is via google. For
me, the difference is so great between reading it with my news reader
and reading it with google - it's like reading two completely
different ngs.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article
>,
Martha > wrote:


> First of all, I had a heck of a time finding RFC - didn't know it was
> a part of Google now. That was the beginning of my consternation.

I believe, rather strongly, that RFC is *not* part of Google. Google is
merely a very poor interface to newsgroups (along with true Google
groups). Many people are using googlegroups to access newsgroups,
because it is free and real ISPs are eliminating newsgroup access.

> But, once I did find it, I had to wade through three pages of utter
> nonsense posts, and idiotic ads, et cetera, to find anything I
> recognized as the least bit RFC-like. I felt like I had walked into a
> room of chaos of the Nth magnitude.

Googlegroups doesn't filter SPAM. In fact, they love to create it
themselves. OT posts are OT posts. They often don't make a lot of
sense unless you've been following the thread.

First thing to do, if you are interested in continuing to read and post
here, is to find a real newsreader. Sadly enough, googlegroups has such
a bad reputation that many of the reputable posters here simply block
every post from there.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA